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Re: Accessible 3D printing software?

 

Hello,
Thank you for this! Can you please tell me where I can get the auio addon? I have never heard of it. What does it stand for?
Thanks,

On Sun, Aug 21, 2016 at 8:14 AM, Pranav Lal <pranav.lal@...> wrote:

Hi,

 

 

Look at OpenSCAD. It is quite accessible.

http://www.openscad.org/

You create drawings by writing a number of text commands.

You can then use NVDA’s auio screen add-on to check what you have drawn.

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brandon Keith Biggs
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2016 5:51 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Accessible 3D printing software?

 

Hello,

I got a 3D printer and would like to start printing stuff with it.

Does anyone know any software or techniques I can use to do this?

The CAD programs I have looked at are not accessible, mostly because they are so visual. I have googled 3D printing for blind users, but all I see is how 3D printing has helped people touch art and whatnot.

Does anyone have any ideas? I've seen some scanners that do 3D scans of items and put them into a CAD program, but again, I would need it to be accessible in some way.

Thanks,



Re: dealing with Pins on the Windows 10 start

Arlene
 

Oh! it sounds like it looks more like apple! Cause on the I devices the apps look like they are in a grid. 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brandon Keith Biggs
Sent: August-21-16 2:55 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] dealing with Pins on the Windows 10 start

 

Hello,

I think I figured it out.

The top row is folders and under that is a grid of everything in those folders. The problem is that grid is really strangely shaped and if you press an arrow key you may jump to another folder. Nice thing is it will announce the new folder, but that is also what makes it so confusing.

 

*Note* windows + d also takes you to the desktop like windows + m does, you only need to use one hand though. I've never understood why they teach windows + m when windows + d is easier to do and remember.

Thanks,


 

On Sat, Aug 20, 2016 at 10:10 PM, Jeremy <icu8it2@...> wrote:

Haha, a fun one! First, and apologies to those who may disagree, but it seems to me that currently, the Start menu on 10 with NVDA is slightly less than pleasant to use. :)
I've changed mine up now, I got tired of how crappy it was working for me so I took all the stuff out of the pinned apps area so it no longer shows up, but this is what I was able to figure out.

When you first press the start button and it lands you in the search box, you can press tab, either once or twice and it should take you to a vertical list containing a fairly large number of apps and some of their associated folders. As you arrow up and down here, NVDA will first read the section you come to, so A, B, etc and then under those, read you apps that fall under those sections. As you probably already know, it's here that you can press the applications key and pin said apps to the start menu.

As for the area where Apps actually get pinned, it looks like shift tab is what you want, so doing it from the search box should land you there. It's here that you should be able to use the arrow keys to move up, down, left and right in the grid, but unfortunately, NVDA seems to read things here all weird. As something that looks similar to how IOS likes to create named directories based on the names of the stuff you put in them, as you're moving around here, you'll come to these named sections and can press enter to rename them. As you're moving around here, you'll land on these sections, lets say, Audio and Music just as an example and can sometimes press down or wright and it will start reading you the pinned apps under that section. If you happen to only have one or two things here though, It's sometimes hard to get it to land where you want on the icon or whatever.

I've wondered if it's possible to turn off the structuring of the apps you pin here and just have them in a huge grid, but if so, I've not figured it out.
I'm also not sure if this is something that NVDA just hasn't caught up with and if there are things in the pipe down the road that will make it more friendly, but so far, it is kind of a pain to use. haha

If you play with it though and figure out anything else, I'd certainly be interested.
Take care.

On 8/20/2016 10:17 AM, Brandon Keith Biggs wrote:

Hello,

The reason why one uses the start menu is so you don't need to open apps to do things like your calendar, whether, news and stocks. you just arrow over those items and you hear what they are.

Thanks,

 

 

On Sat, Aug 20, 2016 at 5:40 AM, Louis Maher <ljmaher@...> wrote:

Hello Brandon,

 

I find it easier to place application shortcuts on the desktop.  This is a two-step process.  Hit the windows key, type in the application name, hit the context menu, find file location and enter on it, hit the context menu and go to the send-to menu.  Hit the desktop option.  Hit windows m to bring you to the desktop, type the first letter of the application, and you will land on it.  Note that on the desktop, once you find a and select  application, you can hit f2 and change the shortcut’s name.

 

 

 

Regards

Louis Maher

Phone: 713-444-7838

E-mail: ljmaher@...

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brandon Keith Biggs
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2016 7:04 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] dealing with Pins on the Windows 10 start

 

Hello,

Does anyone understand how pins work in Windows 10?

I removed all the junk in hopes that fewer items would make things clearer, but it didn't I pinned a couple things to the start and in order to get to them I need to hit right arrow once and down arrow all the way to the bottom when they should be just down.

Apparently there are folders but I can't understand how they work.

Any help would be great because I would like to start using the start menu.

Thanks,

 

 

 


Re: NVDA with iTunes

Arlene
 

Hi, I'm not sure how one would do this. For one thing. I think Itunes had
been updated. I'll have to go poking around in it. My room mate and I share
I pad and the phone. She said I tunes is way different. I don't have it here
on my 7 box. I think it would be way different.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Luke
Scholey
Sent: August-21-16 8:48 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA with iTunes

Hi all,
I haven't used the iTunes program on windows for a while and have noticed
that the latest version doesn't allow you to transfer music and audiobooks
to an iPhone in the same way as previous versions did.
The way I used to do it was to check and uncheck the items I wanted to
transfer, in the list of either albums, songs, books, etc.
How do you do this now?
Thanks,
Luke


Tutorial challenge: who will step up to produce What's New tutorial for 2016.3?

 

Hi everyone,

 

As noted earlier this year, I said that What’s New for 2016.2 might be the last time I’ll produce an audio What’s New. Although there were love calls from folks who’d like to hear a What’s New for 2016.3 from my studios, I’d like to request that someone else do this so others may get an opportunity to “live a dream of their lifetime” and step up to teach others in the community.

 

Thus the challenge: who is willing to produce an audio What’s New tutorial for NVDA 2016.3 that lasts about half an hour and demonstrate essential features of the upcoming version? For 2016.3, the biggest requirement is that you need to be running Windows 10 Anniversary Update, as you need to cover bug fixes for it. You also need to understand what NvDA+F9 and NvDA+F10 do now in 2016.3.

 

Few tutorial guidelines:

 

·         Make sure the synthesizer speech rate is at a reasonable rate (not yours, but set to a rate that’s comfortable for listeners).

·         Try using a more natural sounding voices such as Acapela, Nuance Vocalizer and others.

·         Read the what’s new document for 2016.3 thoroughly before you begin and try out various scenarios.

·         Make sure audience can hear you and NVDA.

·         Don’t make your tutorial a one-way street – try engaging with listeners, such as explaining concepts in a way that allows a beginner to follow along.

 

Good luck.

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: How to do post-production work in audacity class exercises are now available.

Gene
 

It works here. I don't know why you are having a problem. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2016 10:49 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to do post-production work in audacity class exercises are now available.

I looked character by character. I deleted the period from the end and any trailing spaces at the end as well. I get an error 404 not found. This is the link to the self extracting executable. I haven't tried the other link yet.


On 8/21/2016 3:31 AM, Gene wrote:
If a link doesn't work, look at it character by character.  If you copied the link to the address bar in your browser, you probably copied the period that ended the sentence immediately after the link.  Copy the link to the address bar, move to the end with the end command, back space once to remove the period, then follow the link. 
 
Gene

Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2016 1:51 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to do post-production work in audacity class exercises are now available.

What error do you get?


On 8/20/2016 11:14 PM, Governor staten wrote:
I'd like to get these files. It appears that the link doesn't work.





On 8/21/2016 12:51 AM, derek riemer wrote:
yesterday I mentioned the course to teach potential NVDACon editors
how to edit audio, in hopes of getting people interested in helping
with post-production of the NVDACon sessions. If you are interested in
challenge problems and exercises that are encouraged for those
learning audio editing, you can download them at
files.derekriemer.com/audacity_editing_class.exe.

Note that this is simply a 7zip self-extracting archive. If you are
weary of running executables, you can install 7zip, and unpack the
archive from this link (It's the exact same files, just not
self-extracting). files.derekriemer.com/audacity_editing_class.7z

Also, under this folder is challenge.wav. This is the audio of the
class I ran on teamtalk today. It is unedited, so that you can
practice making a post-production ready audio file. In order to
compress to mp3 in audacity, you need to install the laime library for
MP3 encoding. This is clearly documented on the audacity website
http://wiki.audacityteam.org/wiki/Lame_Installation


--

Derek Riemer

  • Department of computer science, third year undergraduate student.
  • Proud user of the NVDA screen reader.
  • Open source enthusiast.
  • Member of Bridge Cu
  • Avid skiier.

Websites:
Honors portfolio
Awesome little hand built weather app!

email me at derek.riemer@...
Phone: (303) 906-2194



nvda 2016.3 RC1:

Kenny Peyattt jr.
 

                                Hi when does the release canadate for nvda 2016.3 come out?

Kenny Peyatt jr.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


Re: How to do post-production work in audacity class exercises are now available.

 

I looked character by character. I deleted the period from the end and any trailing spaces at the end as well. I get an error 404 not found. This is the link to the self extracting executable. I haven't tried the other link yet.


On 8/21/2016 3:31 AM, Gene wrote:
If a link doesn't work, look at it character by character.  If you copied the link to the address bar in your browser, you probably copied the period that ended the sentence immediately after the link.  Copy the link to the address bar, move to the end with the end command, back space once to remove the period, then follow the link. 
 
Gene

Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2016 1:51 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to do post-production work in audacity class exercises are now available.

What error do you get?


On 8/20/2016 11:14 PM, Governor staten wrote:
I'd like to get these files. It appears that the link doesn't work.





On 8/21/2016 12:51 AM, derek riemer wrote:
yesterday I mentioned the course to teach potential NVDACon editors
how to edit audio, in hopes of getting people interested in helping
with post-production of the NVDACon sessions. If you are interested in
challenge problems and exercises that are encouraged for those
learning audio editing, you can download them at
files.derekriemer.com/audacity_editing_class.exe.

Note that this is simply a 7zip self-extracting archive. If you are
weary of running executables, you can install 7zip, and unpack the
archive from this link (It's the exact same files, just not
self-extracting). files.derekriemer.com/audacity_editing_class.7z

Also, under this folder is challenge.wav. This is the audio of the
class I ran on teamtalk today. It is unedited, so that you can
practice making a post-production ready audio file. In order to
compress to mp3 in audacity, you need to install the laime library for
MP3 encoding. This is clearly documented on the audacity website
http://wiki.audacityteam.org/wiki/Lame_Installation


      

--

Derek Riemer

  • Department of computer science, third year undergraduate student.
  • Proud user of the NVDA screen reader.
  • Open source enthusiast.
  • Member of Bridge Cu
  • Avid skiier.

Websites:
Honors portfolio
Awesome little hand built weather app!

email me at derek.riemer@...
Phone: (303) 906-2194



NVDA with iTunes

luke scholey <lukescholey@...>
 

Hi all,
I haven't used the iTunes program on windows for a while and have noticed that the latest version doesn't allow you to transfer music and audiobooks to an iPhone in the same way as previous versions did.
The way I used to do it was to check and uncheck the items I wanted to transfer, in the list of either albums, songs, books, etc.
How do you do this now?
Thanks,
Luke


Re: Accessible 3D printing software?

Pranav Lal
 

Hi,

 

 

Look at OpenSCAD. It is quite accessible.

http://www.openscad.org/

You create drawings by writing a number of text commands.

You can then use NVDA’s auio screen add-on to check what you have drawn.

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brandon Keith Biggs
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2016 5:51 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Accessible 3D printing software?

 

Hello,

I got a 3D printer and would like to start printing stuff with it.

Does anyone know any software or techniques I can use to do this?

The CAD programs I have looked at are not accessible, mostly because they are so visual. I have googled 3D printing for blind users, but all I see is how 3D printing has helped people touch art and whatnot.

Does anyone have any ideas? I've seen some scanners that do 3D scans of items and put them into a CAD program, but again, I would need it to be accessible in some way.

Thanks,


Running OCR on vmware

Pranav Lal
 

Hi all,

I am running a linux virtual machine within vmware. When I used to use jaws, I
could use the jaws OCR utility to read the screen presented by that machine via
the jaws OCR. I need to do the same with NVDA. I have the OCR plugin installed.
However, whenever I hit nvda key + r, NVDA freezes. What is the process to
recognize the text on the screen?

Pranav


Re: dealing with Pins on the Windows 10 start

Chris Mullins
 

I too have never understood why Jaws tutorials in particular promote the use of Windows+m to move focus to the Desktop as this keypress minimises all open apps before it moves focus.  Windows+d is easier to remember and moves focus without minimising everything.  In addition you can use windows+d to have a peek at the contents of the desktop, pressing it again takes you back to where you were.

 

Cheers

Chris

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brandon Keith Biggs
            Sent: 21 August 2016 10:55
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] dealing with Pins on the Windows 10 start

 

Hello,

I think I figured it out.

The top row is folders and under that is a grid of everything in those folders. The problem is that grid is really strangely shaped and if you press an arrow key you may jump to another folder. Nice thing is it will announce the new folder, but that is also what makes it so confusing.

 

*Note* windows + d also takes you to the desktop like windows + m does, you only need to use one hand though. I've never understood why they teach windows + m when windows + d is easier to do and remember.

Thanks,


 

On Sat, Aug 20, 2016 at 10:10 PM, Jeremy <icu8it2@...> wrote:

Haha, a fun one! First, and apologies to those who may disagree, but it seems to me that currently, the Start menu on 10 with NVDA is slightly less than pleasant to use. :)
I've changed mine up now, I got tired of how crappy it was working for me so I took all the stuff out of the pinned apps area so it no longer shows up, but this is what I was able to figure out.

When you first press the start button and it lands you in the search box, you can press tab, either once or twice and it should take you to a vertical list containing a fairly large number of apps and some of their associated folders. As you arrow up and down here, NVDA will first read the section you come to, so A, B, etc and then under those, read you apps that fall under those sections. As you probably already know, it's here that you can press the applications key and pin said apps to the start menu.

As for the area where Apps actually get pinned, it looks like shift tab is what you want, so doing it from the search box should land you there. It's here that you should be able to use the arrow keys to move up, down, left and right in the grid, but unfortunately, NVDA seems to read things here all weird. As something that looks similar to how IOS likes to create named directories based on the names of the stuff you put in them, as you're moving around here, you'll come to these named sections and can press enter to rename them. As you're moving around here, you'll land on these sections, lets say, Audio and Music just as an example and can sometimes press down or wright and it will start reading you the pinned apps under that section. If you happen to only have one or two things here though, It's sometimes hard to get it to land where you want on the icon or whatever.

I've wondered if it's possible to turn off the structuring of the apps you pin here and just have them in a huge grid, but if so, I've not figured it out.
I'm also not sure if this is something that NVDA just hasn't caught up with and if there are things in the pipe down the road that will make it more friendly, but so far, it is kind of a pain to use. haha

If you play with it though and figure out anything else, I'd certainly be interested.
Take care.

On 8/20/2016 10:17 AM, Brandon Keith Biggs wrote:

Hello,

The reason why one uses the start menu is so you don't need to open apps to do things like your calendar, whether, news and stocks. you just arrow over those items and you hear what they are.

Thanks,

 

 

On Sat, Aug 20, 2016 at 5:40 AM, Louis Maher <ljmaher@...> wrote:

Hello Brandon,

 

I find it easier to place application shortcuts on the desktop.  This is a two-step process.  Hit the windows key, type in the application name, hit the context menu, find file location and enter on it, hit the context menu and go to the send-to menu.  Hit the desktop option.  Hit windows m to bring you to the desktop, type the first letter of the application, and you will land on it.  Note that on the desktop, once you find a and select  application, you can hit f2 and change the shortcut’s name.

 

 

 

Regards

Louis Maher

Phone: 713-444-7838

E-mail: ljmaher@...

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brandon Keith Biggs
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2016 7:04 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] dealing with Pins on the Windows 10 start

 

Hello,

Does anyone understand how pins work in Windows 10?

I removed all the junk in hopes that fewer items would make things clearer, but it didn't I pinned a couple things to the start and in order to get to them I need to hit right arrow once and down arrow all the way to the bottom when they should be just down.

Apparently there are folders but I can't understand how they work.

Any help would be great because I would like to start using the start menu.

Thanks,

 

 

 


Re: dealing with Pins on the Windows 10 start

 

Hello,
I think I figured it out.
The top row is folders and under that is a grid of everything in those folders. The problem is that grid is really strangely shaped and if you press an arrow key you may jump to another folder. Nice thing is it will announce the new folder, but that is also what makes it so confusing.

*Note* windows + d also takes you to the desktop like windows + m does, you only need to use one hand though. I've never understood why they teach windows + m when windows + d is easier to do and remember.
Thanks,

On Sat, Aug 20, 2016 at 10:10 PM, Jeremy <icu8it2@...> wrote:
Haha, a fun one! First, and apologies to those who may disagree, but it seems to me that currently, the Start menu on 10 with NVDA is slightly less than pleasant to use. :)
I've changed mine up now, I got tired of how crappy it was working for me so I took all the stuff out of the pinned apps area so it no longer shows up, but this is what I was able to figure out.

When you first press the start button and it lands you in the search box, you can press tab, either once or twice and it should take you to a vertical list containing a fairly large number of apps and some of their associated folders. As you arrow up and down here, NVDA will first read the section you come to, so A, B, etc and then under those, read you apps that fall under those sections. As you probably already know, it's here that you can press the applications key and pin said apps to the start menu.

As for the area where Apps actually get pinned, it looks like shift tab is what you want, so doing it from the search box should land you there. It's here that you should be able to use the arrow keys to move up, down, left and right in the grid, but unfortunately, NVDA seems to read things here all weird. As something that looks similar to how IOS likes to create named directories based on the names of the stuff you put in them, as you're moving around here, you'll come to these named sections and can press enter to rename them. As you're moving around here, you'll land on these sections, lets say, Audio and Music just as an example and can sometimes press down or wright and it will start reading you the pinned apps under that section. If you happen to only have one or two things here though, It's sometimes hard to get it to land where you want on the icon or whatever.

I've wondered if it's possible to turn off the structuring of the apps you pin here and just have them in a huge grid, but if so, I've not figured it out.
I'm also not sure if this is something that NVDA just hasn't caught up with and if there are things in the pipe down the road that will make it more friendly, but so far, it is kind of a pain to use. haha

If you play with it though and figure out anything else, I'd certainly be interested.
Take care.

On 8/20/2016 10:17 AM, Brandon Keith Biggs wrote:
Hello,
The reason why one uses the start menu is so you don't need to open apps to do things like your calendar, whether, news and stocks. you just arrow over those items and you hear what they are.
Thanks,



On Sat, Aug 20, 2016 at 5:40 AM, Louis Maher <ljmaher@...> wrote:

Hello Brandon,

 

I find it easier to place application shortcuts on the desktop.  This is a two-step process.  Hit the windows key, type in the application name, hit the context menu, find file location and enter on it, hit the context menu and go to the send-to menu.  Hit the desktop option.  Hit windows m to bring you to the desktop, type the first letter of the application, and you will land on it.  Note that on the desktop, once you find a and select  application, you can hit f2 and change the shortcut’s name.

 

 

 

Regards

Louis Maher

Phone: 713-444-7838

E-mail: ljmaher@...

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brandon Keith Biggs
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2016 7:04 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] dealing with Pins on the Windows 10 start

 

Hello,

Does anyone understand how pins work in Windows 10?

I removed all the junk in hopes that fewer items would make things clearer, but it didn't I pinned a couple things to the start and in order to get to them I need to hit right arrow once and down arrow all the way to the bottom when they should be just down.

Apparently there are folders but I can't understand how they work.

Any help would be great because I would like to start using the start menu.

Thanks,





Re: SSH with the new windows Bash Client?

 

Hello,
As I remember, PUTTY is really hard to use with NVDA. I never liked it and always avoided using SSH if I could.
But this is a windows thing, so if we all push for it to be made really accessible it may really happen. You can vote for it:
https://microsoftaccessibility.uservoice.com/forums/307429-microsoft-accessibility-feedback/suggestions/15734662-make-the-command-lines-work-better-with-screen-rea


The link I gave talked about how to install the bash client.
Thanks,

On Sat, Aug 20, 2016 at 8:46 PM, Jeremy <icu8it2@...> wrote:
I've only been on 10 for a week or so, so I'll have to play with the command line more to get an idea how it's working with NVDA, but at least on 7, NVDA seemed to read a bit more than it seems to be reading for you. At least with reading the command history, moving back and forth through the edit area to review character by character, this all worked pretty well. I've also never really ran into any lag on 7, but that wasn't using any type of a network connection either.

I can't recall who it was or even when exactly the message was posted, but I don't remember he/she saying there was issues with lag, reading command history, etc, just mostly that it was similar to the problems we seem to have in programs like putty, moving through applications like nano and vim, or trying to move up and down in ncurses type menus.

Perhaps it was here, a long while ago that somewhat of a discussion had been brought up to give some explanations on why NVDA and other Windows screenreaders seem to crap out in programs like the command prompt, why they don't track correctly in menus there, keep track of a cursor, etc, but I don't remember everything that was said. I do know though that the size of the window, shape of the cursor, number of lines in that window and number of allowed characters per line used to be really important in getting JFW set up for TeraTerm and then it worked considerably better.

All the same, thanks for the link to an introduction to bash, as I'm sure that it will be of help for sure, but I was more asking how one goes about enabling the bash terminal on 10 or if it came automatically. hehe :)
It's my luck that it's right in front of my face and I'm just missing it, but there's still quite a lot that I haven't explored on 10. haha
Here's hoping our wonderful devs may just put a little sweet sweet love towards the terminal and get it working as well as NVDA does on lots of other applications, as having a terminal that's easy to enable and we can use to ssh into those types of systems, that would be totally sweet.
Take care.

On 8/20/2016 10:39 AM, Brandon Keith Biggs wrote:
Hello,
So I was able to get the bash client working on my computer.
Pros:
The client works great, it is just like powershell or command prompt.
2. SSH works OK. You can read what happened with the review cursor, but there is a huge lag when typing (nvda will say the letter like half a second after you type and it is not 100%). There is no feedback for up arrow to retype commands and no feedback when letters are deleted.
Other than that things are really good! Vim could use some tweaking to be a little easier to use, but it is the best. Nano doesn't like opening existing files. NVDA doesn't read anything when you open an already existing file with nano.

Because this is pretty much a commandline, is NVDA able to modify any of these behaviors?
It would be beyond amazing if there was a text editor that had the usability of EdSharp on the bash line. Vim could be that, but I have not seen anything to show me it is faster than editing with EdSharp. Apparently it is not normal for most people to never leave their keyboard when they are typing and that is what Vim allows. But EdSharp has even faster key commands and it is a lot more user friendly.

Here is a guide on how to get started with the bash prompt:
http://www.howtogeek.com/249966/how-to-install-and-use-the-linux-bash-shell-on-windows-10/

Thanks,



On Fri, Aug 19, 2016 at 2:14 PM, Jeremy <icu8it2@...> wrote:
If it's the same thing that was mentioned a while ago here on list, it does work, but seems to have some of the same issues in navigating things like ncurses menus and areas such as files within nano. As with Teraterm and I assume, putty, NVDA doesn't always track the cursor correctly, so you have to use review commands to get an idea of your position sometimes. I'm not sure if this is mostly specific to recent versions of NVDA, as I know older versions worked really well with Teraterm, but I do know the latest one can be really frustrating to use with it.

How does one go about getting and using this bash console in 10, btw, as I'd certainly be willing to give it a shot. Is it something that comes in the latest anniversary update?
Take care.

On 8/19/2016 3:18 PM, Brandon Keith Biggs wrote:
Hello,
Has anyone managed to give the new windows bash client a try yet? I am waiting for my update to install. It is a very functional Ubuntu type system and that means that SSH should work.
If that is the case, no more needing to deal with partly accessible SSH clients, we will be able to use the default windows client!
Thanks,






Re: How to do post-production work in audacity class exercises are now available.

Gene
 

If a link doesn't work, look at it character by character.  If you copied the link to the address bar in your browser, you probably copied the period that ended the sentence immediately after the link.  Copy the link to the address bar, move to the end with the end command, back space once to remove the period, then follow the link. 
 
Gene

Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2016 1:51 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to do post-production work in audacity class exercises are now available.

What error do you get?


On 8/20/2016 11:14 PM, Governor staten wrote:
I'd like to get these files. It appears that the link doesn't work.





On 8/21/2016 12:51 AM, derek riemer wrote:
yesterday I mentioned the course to teach potential NVDACon editors
how to edit audio, in hopes of getting people interested in helping
with post-production of the NVDACon sessions. If you are interested in
challenge problems and exercises that are encouraged for those
learning audio editing, you can download them at
files.derekriemer.com/audacity_editing_class.exe.

Note that this is simply a 7zip self-extracting archive. If you are
weary of running executables, you can install 7zip, and unpack the
archive from this link (It's the exact same files, just not
self-extracting). files.derekriemer.com/audacity_editing_class.7z

Also, under this folder is challenge.wav. This is the audio of the
class I ran on teamtalk today. It is unedited, so that you can
practice making a post-production ready audio file. In order to
compress to mp3 in audacity, you need to install the laime library for
MP3 encoding. This is clearly documented on the audacity website
http://wiki.audacityteam.org/wiki/Lame_Installation



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Re: How to do post-production work in audacity class exercises are now available.

derek riemer
 

What error do you get?


On 8/20/2016 11:14 PM, Governor staten wrote:
I'd like to get these files. It appears that the link doesn't work.





On 8/21/2016 12:51 AM, derek riemer wrote:
yesterday I mentioned the course to teach potential NVDACon editors
how to edit audio, in hopes of getting people interested in helping
with post-production of the NVDACon sessions. If you are interested in
challenge problems and exercises that are encouraged for those
learning audio editing, you can download them at
files.derekriemer.com/audacity_editing_class.exe.

Note that this is simply a 7zip self-extracting archive. If you are
weary of running executables, you can install 7zip, and unpack the
archive from this link (It's the exact same files, just not
self-extracting). files.derekriemer.com/audacity_editing_class.7z

Also, under this folder is challenge.wav. This is the audio of the
class I ran on teamtalk today. It is unedited, so that you can
practice making a post-production ready audio file. In order to
compress to mp3 in audacity, you need to install the laime library for
MP3 encoding. This is clearly documented on the audacity website
http://wiki.audacityteam.org/wiki/Lame_Installation





--

Derek Riemer

  • Department of computer science, third year undergraduate student.
  • Proud user of the NVDA screen reader.
  • Open source enthusiast.
  • Member of Bridge Cu
  • Avid skiier.

Websites:
Honors portfolio
Awesome little hand built weather app!

email me at derek.riemer@...
Phone: (303) 906-2194


Re: How to do post-production work in audacity class exercises are now available.

 

I'd like to get these files. It appears that the link doesn't work.

On 8/21/2016 12:51 AM, derek riemer wrote:
yesterday I mentioned the course to teach potential NVDACon editors
how to edit audio, in hopes of getting people interested in helping
with post-production of the NVDACon sessions. If you are interested in
challenge problems and exercises that are encouraged for those
learning audio editing, you can download them at
files.derekriemer.com/audacity_editing_class.exe.

Note that this is simply a 7zip self-extracting archive. If you are
weary of running executables, you can install 7zip, and unpack the
archive from this link (It's the exact same files, just not
self-extracting). files.derekriemer.com/audacity_editing_class.7z

Also, under this folder is challenge.wav. This is the audio of the
class I ran on teamtalk today. It is unedited, so that you can
practice making a post-production ready audio file. In order to
compress to mp3 in audacity, you need to install the laime library for
MP3 encoding. This is clearly documented on the audacity website
http://wiki.audacityteam.org/wiki/Lame_Installation


Re: dealing with Pins on the Windows 10 start

jeremy <icu8it2@...>
 

Haha, a fun one! First, and apologies to those who may disagree, but it seems to me that currently, the Start menu on 10 with NVDA is slightly less than pleasant to use. :)
I've changed mine up now, I got tired of how crappy it was working for me so I took all the stuff out of the pinned apps area so it no longer shows up, but this is what I was able to figure out.

When you first press the start button and it lands you in the search box, you can press tab, either once or twice and it should take you to a vertical list containing a fairly large number of apps and some of their associated folders. As you arrow up and down here, NVDA will first read the section you come to, so A, B, etc and then under those, read you apps that fall under those sections. As you probably already know, it's here that you can press the applications key and pin said apps to the start menu.

As for the area where Apps actually get pinned, it looks like shift tab is what you want, so doing it from the search box should land you there. It's here that you should be able to use the arrow keys to move up, down, left and right in the grid, but unfortunately, NVDA seems to read things here all weird. As something that looks similar to how IOS likes to create named directories based on the names of the stuff you put in them, as you're moving around here, you'll come to these named sections and can press enter to rename them. As you're moving around here, you'll land on these sections, lets say, Audio and Music just as an example and can sometimes press down or wright and it will start reading you the pinned apps under that section. If you happen to only have one or two things here though, It's sometimes hard to get it to land where you want on the icon or whatever.

I've wondered if it's possible to turn off the structuring of the apps you pin here and just have them in a huge grid, but if so, I've not figured it out.
I'm also not sure if this is something that NVDA just hasn't caught up with and if there are things in the pipe down the road that will make it more friendly, but so far, it is kind of a pain to use. haha

If you play with it though and figure out anything else, I'd certainly be interested.
Take care.

On 8/20/2016 10:17 AM, Brandon Keith Biggs wrote:
Hello,
The reason why one uses the start menu is so you don't need to open apps to do things like your calendar, whether, news and stocks. you just arrow over those items and you hear what they are.
Thanks,



On Sat, Aug 20, 2016 at 5:40 AM, Louis Maher <ljmaher@...> wrote:

Hello Brandon,

 

I find it easier to place application shortcuts on the desktop.  This is a two-step process.  Hit the windows key, type in the application name, hit the context menu, find file location and enter on it, hit the context menu and go to the send-to menu.  Hit the desktop option.  Hit windows m to bring you to the desktop, type the first letter of the application, and you will land on it.  Note that on the desktop, once you find a and select  application, you can hit f2 and change the shortcut’s name.

 

 

 

Regards

Louis Maher

Phone: 713-444-7838

E-mail: ljmaher@...

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brandon Keith Biggs
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2016 7:04 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] dealing with Pins on the Windows 10 start

 

Hello,

Does anyone understand how pins work in Windows 10?

I removed all the junk in hopes that fewer items would make things clearer, but it didn't I pinned a couple things to the start and in order to get to them I need to hit right arrow once and down arrow all the way to the bottom when they should be just down.

Apparently there are folders but I can't understand how they work.

Any help would be great because I would like to start using the start menu.

Thanks,




How to do post-production work in audacity class exercises are now available.

derek riemer
 

yesterday I mentioned the course to teach potential NVDACon editors how to edit audio, in hopes of getting people interested in helping with post-production of the NVDACon sessions. If you are interested in challenge problems and exercises that are encouraged for those learning audio editing, you can download them at files.derekriemer.com/audacity_editing_class.exe.

Note that this is simply a 7zip self-extracting archive. If you are weary of running executables, you can install 7zip, and unpack the archive from this link (It's the exact same files, just not self-extracting). files.derekriemer.com/audacity_editing_class.7z

Also, under this folder is challenge.wav. This is the audio of the class I ran on teamtalk today. It is unedited, so that you can practice making a post-production ready audio file. In order to compress to mp3 in audacity, you need to install the laime library for MP3 encoding. This is clearly documented on the audacity website http://wiki.audacityteam.org/wiki/Lame_Installation

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Re: SSH with the new windows Bash Client?

jeremy <icu8it2@...>
 

I've only been on 10 for a week or so, so I'll have to play with the command line more to get an idea how it's working with NVDA, but at least on 7, NVDA seemed to read a bit more than it seems to be reading for you. At least with reading the command history, moving back and forth through the edit area to review character by character, this all worked pretty well. I've also never really ran into any lag on 7, but that wasn't using any type of a network connection either.

I can't recall who it was or even when exactly the message was posted, but I don't remember he/she saying there was issues with lag, reading command history, etc, just mostly that it was similar to the problems we seem to have in programs like putty, moving through applications like nano and vim, or trying to move up and down in ncurses type menus.

Perhaps it was here, a long while ago that somewhat of a discussion had been brought up to give some explanations on why NVDA and other Windows screenreaders seem to crap out in programs like the command prompt, why they don't track correctly in menus there, keep track of a cursor, etc, but I don't remember everything that was said. I do know though that the size of the window, shape of the cursor, number of lines in that window and number of allowed characters per line used to be really important in getting JFW set up for TeraTerm and then it worked considerably better.

All the same, thanks for the link to an introduction to bash, as I'm sure that it will be of help for sure, but I was more asking how one goes about enabling the bash terminal on 10 or if it came automatically. hehe :)
It's my luck that it's right in front of my face and I'm just missing it, but there's still quite a lot that I haven't explored on 10. haha
Here's hoping our wonderful devs may just put a little sweet sweet love towards the terminal and get it working as well as NVDA does on lots of other applications, as having a terminal that's easy to enable and we can use to ssh into those types of systems, that would be totally sweet.
Take care.

On 8/20/2016 10:39 AM, Brandon Keith Biggs wrote:
Hello,
So I was able to get the bash client working on my computer.
Pros:
The client works great, it is just like powershell or command prompt.
2. SSH works OK. You can read what happened with the review cursor, but there is a huge lag when typing (nvda will say the letter like half a second after you type and it is not 100%). There is no feedback for up arrow to retype commands and no feedback when letters are deleted.
Other than that things are really good! Vim could use some tweaking to be a little easier to use, but it is the best. Nano doesn't like opening existing files. NVDA doesn't read anything when you open an already existing file with nano.

Because this is pretty much a commandline, is NVDA able to modify any of these behaviors?
It would be beyond amazing if there was a text editor that had the usability of EdSharp on the bash line. Vim could be that, but I have not seen anything to show me it is faster than editing with EdSharp. Apparently it is not normal for most people to never leave their keyboard when they are typing and that is what Vim allows. But EdSharp has even faster key commands and it is a lot more user friendly.

Here is a guide on how to get started with the bash prompt:
http://www.howtogeek.com/249966/how-to-install-and-use-the-linux-bash-shell-on-windows-10/

Thanks,



On Fri, Aug 19, 2016 at 2:14 PM, Jeremy <icu8it2@...> wrote:
If it's the same thing that was mentioned a while ago here on list, it does work, but seems to have some of the same issues in navigating things like ncurses menus and areas such as files within nano. As with Teraterm and I assume, putty, NVDA doesn't always track the cursor correctly, so you have to use review commands to get an idea of your position sometimes. I'm not sure if this is mostly specific to recent versions of NVDA, as I know older versions worked really well with Teraterm, but I do know the latest one can be really frustrating to use with it.

How does one go about getting and using this bash console in 10, btw, as I'd certainly be willing to give it a shot. Is it something that comes in the latest anniversary update?
Take care.

On 8/19/2016 3:18 PM, Brandon Keith Biggs wrote:
Hello,
Has anyone managed to give the new windows bash client a try yet? I am waiting for my update to install. It is a very functional Ubuntu type system and that means that SSH should work.
If that is the case, no more needing to deal with partly accessible SSH clients, we will be able to use the default windows client!
Thanks,





Re: dealing with Pins on the Windows 10 start

Arlene
 

I’ve always hit windows M to get to the desktop. There I have a bunch of icons like outlook and others. I assume ten is the same.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Louis Maher
Sent: August-20-16 4:14 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] dealing with Pins on the Windows 10 start

 

Hello Arlene,

 

That is correct.  The process of creating desktop shortcuts has two steps; however, after that, it acts like earlier versions of windows.  Just remember windows + m takes you to the desktop.

 

 

Regards

Louis Maher

Phone: 713-444-7838

E-mail: ljmaher@...

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Arlene
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2016 4:57 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] dealing with Pins on the Windows 10 start

 

Oh, it’s the same idea as you would with older versions of windows? So, ten is no different?

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Louis Maher
Sent: August-20-16 5:41 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] dealing with Pins on the Windows 10 start

 

Hello Brandon,

 

I find it easier to place application shortcuts on the desktop.  This is a two-step process.  Hit the windows key, type in the application name, hit the context menu, find file location and enter on it, hit the context menu and go to the send-to menu.  Hit the desktop option.  Hit windows m to bring you to the desktop, type the first letter of the application, and you will land on it.  Note that on the desktop, once you find a and select  application, you can hit f2 and change the shortcut’s name.

 

 

 

Regards

Louis Maher

Phone: 713-444-7838

E-mail: ljmaher@...

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brandon Keith Biggs
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2016 7:04 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] dealing with Pins on the Windows 10 start

 

Hello,

Does anyone understand how pins work in Windows 10?

I removed all the junk in hopes that fewer items would make things clearer, but it didn't I pinned a couple things to the start and in order to get to them I need to hit right arrow once and down arrow all the way to the bottom when they should be just down.

Apparently there are folders but I can't understand how they work.

Any help would be great because I would like to start using the start menu.

Thanks,