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Re: thunderbird just broke!
Luke Davis
I just experienced this with someone on Windows 7 and Thunderbird earlier today. Running the com registration fixing tool took care of it.
I had just run it on that system earlier in the day--it seems to be needed quite often on that Win 7 system--but it did fix it. Not sure why that didn't help for you, but may i suggest you try again and then restart windows? Luke
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Re: NVDA saying unknown again in browsers
Cearbhall O'Meadhra
Carlos,
Thanks for the response!
Yes, I see that windows update has kicked off a problem like this in the past. So, I’ll try out the advice on fixing the com registration and see how that goes. Failing that, I could back windows to a version prior to the latest update.
All the best,
Cearbhall
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of CARLOS-ESTEBAN
Sent: Tuesday, July 7, 2020 11:18 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA saying unknown again in browsers
Hello. Is possible that the Com Registration Fixing Tool work good. But in the last versions of Windows 10, in somme cases, this tool work but NVDA says unknown, not read in the browser and other programs, and the user need restore Windows to default. Regards. Carlos Esteban Martínez Macías. Músico (pianista) y también ayuda a usuarios con discapacidad visual en el uso de lectores de pantalla y tecnología. Experto certificado en el lector de pantalla NVDA.
Musicien (pianist) and also help to users with a visual disability in the use of screen readers and technology. Certified expert in screen reader NVDA.
El mar., 7 de jul. de 2020 a la(s) 17:02, Sean (s.tolstoyevski@...) escribió:
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Re: NVDA saying unknown again in browsers
Cearbhall O'Meadhra
Shaun,
Thanks, for the reply! I’ll have a go at that. I see that Gene NZ has posted a step by step guide on how to do that. Let’s hope that fixes it!
All the best,
Cearbhall
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sean
Sent: Tuesday, July 7, 2020 11:03 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA saying unknown again in browsers
Try Run COM Registration Fixing tool... On 08/07/2020 00:40, Cearbhall O'Meadhra wrote:
-- Sean👨🦯 I’m student and programmer. I write often Python, sometimes Go and rarely C++.
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Re: NVDA saying unknown again in browsers
Cearbhall O'Meadhra
Brian,
Thanks, yes, that’s my first step. Thanks for the response it’s much appreciated.
All the best,
Cearbhall
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, July 7, 2020 10:44 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA saying unknown again in browsers
Cearbhall, Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363 Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its platform. Now, you simply declare your own truth. ~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine Sentiment Took Hold in the United States, September 23, 2019
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Re: thunderbird just broke!
hurrikennyandopo ...
Hi
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Is it only in mozilla thunder bird or do you have fire fox as well. Does it happen in other browsers? or down near the running applications area in windows? Does the applications key work? If it was only in fire fox and thunder bird I did have a problem like that a while back. It ended up been a corrupt ini file in either fire fox or thunder bird that caused it. A uninstall the usual way did not fix it so you had to go into the %appdata% section to do it. Then reinstall the program. See what others say first. Gene nz
On 9/07/2020 6:42 am, Roger Stewart wrote:
Something very weird just happened to Thunderbird with nvda. It was working just fine earlier this morning but I just opened it again to check mail and everything keeps saying unknown unknown and this is everywhere within Thunderbird. It won't read the box I'm in or the subject of the messages. I tried restarting nvda and that did nothing. I then restarted the computer and it is still doing this. I didn't do anything to Thunderbird at all. What has changed itself and is there any way to get it back to normal? It is fustrating, but also fascinating to see this sort of artificial intellegence at work--when something feels like changing, it will just do it without any action on my part. Hope someone can help.
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thunderbird just broke!
Roger Stewart
I've just tried running Narrator, and it reads Thunderbird proberly. I've also found that this problem exists in Firefox now as well. I did try running the com registry tool and that didn't help at all.
Roger
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Re: thunderbird just broke!
Rosemarie Chavarria
Hi, Roger,
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Youcould try unstalling thunderbird and then reinstall it. Hopefully that will fix theproblem. Rosemarie
On 7/8/2020 11:42 AM, Roger Stewart wrote:
Something very weird just happened to Thunderbird with nvda. It was working just fine earlier this morning but I just opened it again to check mail and everything keeps saying unknown unknown and this is everywhere within Thunderbird. It won't read the box I'm in or the subject of the messages. I tried restarting nvda and that did nothing. I then restarted the computer and it is still doing this. I didn't do anything to Thunderbird at all. What has changed itself and is there any way to get it back to normal? It is fustrating, but also fascinating to see this sort of artificial intellegence at work--when something feels like changing, it will just do it without any action on my part. Hope someone can help.
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thunderbird just broke!
Roger Stewart
Something very weird just happened to Thunderbird with nvda. It was working just fine earlier this morning but I just opened it again to check mail and everything keeps saying unknown unknown and this is everywhere within Thunderbird. It won't read the box I'm in or the subject of the messages. I tried restarting nvda and that did nothing. I then restarted the computer and it is still doing this. I didn't do anything to Thunderbird at all. What has changed itself and is there any way to get it back to normal? It is fustrating, but also fascinating to see this sort of artificial intellegence at work--when something feels like changing, it will just do it without any action on my part. Hope someone can help.
Roger
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Re: Read-all problem with a website
On Wed, Jul 8, 2020 at 01:43 PM, Jackie wrote:
but he likely doesn't use speech as his primary means of information gathering like we do.Certainly not for computer access, anyway!! I have corresponded with Giles off-list, but what I'm about to say is from my side, and not private. I am often astounded at the speech rates from synthesized speech that's comprehensible to many blind users of screen readers. I've had a number of clients where I cannot understand a blessed thing that's being said at the rate they're comfortable listening at, and fully comprehending what they're hearing. But when your primary sense mechanism for computer presented information is audition, you're bound to get much, much better with that. It reminds me (age alert here) of when I used to see women in transcription pools sitting at their typewriters with their Dictaphone headsets on. Many (most, probably) had typing rates at or above 100 words per minute, and would listen to the dictated content they were transcribing at just about that rate when doing so. I could no sooner do either of those things, listening or typing at that rate, than fly to the moon under the power of my own arms! -- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363 Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its platform. Now, you simply declare your own truth. ~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine Sentiment Took Hold in the United States, September 23, 2019
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Re: Read-all problem with a website
Jackie
Giles, Brian V is a sighted adaptive technologist. He's very good at
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what he does, & he is incredibly helpful to us on so many levels, but he likely doesn't use speech as his primary means of information gathering like we do.
On 7/8/20, Brian Vogel <britechguy@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, Jul 8, 2020 at 01:23 PM, CARLOS-ESTEBAN wrote:This page, the flags page, is available in all Chromium-based browsers I've --
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Re: Read-all problem with a website
On Wed, Jul 8, 2020 at 01:23 PM, CARLOS-ESTEBAN wrote:
chrome://flagsThis page, the flags page, is available in all Chromium-based browsers I've tried so far. What's even more interesting is if you paste this address in on new Edge or on Brave it will automatically convert the "chrome:" portion to the correct specifier for the browser in question. Under Brave, it's got straight enable reader mode like Chrome does. Edge has two separate bits related to what the call immersive reader. -- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363 Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its platform. Now, you simply declare your own truth. ~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine Sentiment Took Hold in the United States, September 23, 2019
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Re: Read-all problem with a website
CARLOS-ESTEBAN <carlosestebanpianista@...>
Sorry for not say how use the reader mode. When the reader mode is enabled, you can press f6. Here, press tab two times and press the button enable reader mode (or similar name, I have all in spanish). Regards. Carlos Esteban Martínez Macías. Músico (pianista) y también ayuda a usuarios con discapacidad visual en el uso de lectores de pantalla y tecnología. Experto certificado en el lector de pantalla NVDA. Musicien (pianist) and also help to users with a visual disability in the use of screen readers and technology. Certified expert in screen reader NVDA.
El mié., 8 de jul. de 2020 a la(s) 12:22, Carlos Esteban Martínez Macías (carlosestebanpianista@...) escribió:
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Re: Read-all problem with a website
CARLOS-ESTEBAN <carlosestebanpianista@...>
Hello. The solution is the reader mode of the browser. In chrome, go to the page chrome://flags. In edit box search write reader mode. In the option reader mode, select enabled in the combo box and press the button relaunch. Regards. Carlos Esteban Martínez Macías. Músico (pianista) y también ayuda a usuarios con discapacidad visual en el uso de lectores de pantalla y tecnología. Experto certificado en el lector de pantalla NVDA. Musicien (pianist) and also help to users with a visual disability in the use of screen readers and technology. Certified expert in screen reader NVDA.
El mié., 8 de jul. de 2020 a la(s) 11:53, Joseph Lee (joseph.lee22590@...) escribió: Hi,
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Re: Read-all problem with a website
Hi,
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Report dynamic content changes setting is most effective in terminals, but that's about to change to include web applications (not in a distant future). Cheers, Joseph
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Luke Davis Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2020 9:53 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Read-all problem with a website On Wed, 8 Jul 2020, Brian Vogel wrote: personal accounts of illness and healing? There is a single "tickerThey used to be called marquees. Generated by the marquee element. Now I think their just called live regions, and I believe there are a few ways to implement them. I don't have access to an NVDA machine right now to find out if "Report dynamic content changes" (NVDA+5) has any effect on this. Luke
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Re: Read-all problem with a website
Luke Davis
On Wed, 8 Jul 2020, Brian Vogel wrote:
personal accounts of illness and healing? There is a single "ticker box" (I have no idea what these things are actually called in web design speak) at theThey used to be called marquees. Generated by the marquee element. Now I think their just called live regions, and I believe there are a few ways to implement them. I don't have access to an NVDA machine right now to find out if "Report dynamic content changes" (NVDA+5) has any effect on this. Luke
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Re: Read-all problem with a website
Hi Brian,
thank you for listening to the audio file. I've recorded a second version at a slower pace in case you'd like to listen again. It's funny, I have had blind friends who listen much faster than I do, so I always assume I'm at the slower end of the blind reading-speeds chart! The slower-rate mp3 file is at this link: http://gilesturnbullpoet.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/Pulse-article-A-Question-of-Trust-2.mp3 Thanks for the suggestion about the reader mode for a browser. I have heard of this and tried it once when it was mentioned recently, but I haven't tried it on the website I'm having issues with. Giles
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Re: Read-all problem with a website
Gene
I just looked at what you are discussing. It is either not specified to be an Aria live region or it is sset to off. I don't hear any text spoken when it changes, though I can read the line repeatedly and hear it change.
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From: Brian Vogel Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2020 10:08 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Read-all problem with a website On Wed, Jul 8, 2020 at 06:01 AM, Giles Turnbull wrote: https://pulsevoices.org/index.php/stories/a-question-of-trustBy any chance, are you hearing the phrases, or part of the phrases: fostering the humanistic practice of medicine encouraging health care advocacy publishing personal accounts of illness and healing? There is a single "ticker box" (I have no idea what these things are actually called in web design speak) at the very top of the page that keeps alternating between these phrases once every several seconds. If you're using a browser that has a reader mode, I'd definitely suggest trying it before commencing reading the page. I tried listening to your recording, and a big thanks for that, but the reading rate is a bit more rapid than I can follow. -- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363 Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its platform. Now, you simply declare your own truth. ~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine Sentiment Took Hold in the United States, September 23, 2019
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Re: Read-all problem with a website
Sometimes single words are repeated, but most notably the first few words of most sentences are omitted, and NVDA picks up reading from the middle of the third or fourth word.
Cheers, Amir
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Re: Read-all problem with a website
On Wed, Jul 8, 2020 at 06:01 AM, Giles Turnbull wrote:
https://pulsevoices.org/index.php/stories/a-question-of-trustBy any chance, are you hearing the phrases, or part of the phrases: fostering the humanistic practice of medicine encouraging health care advocacy publishing personal accounts of illness and healing? There is a single "ticker box" (I have no idea what these things are actually called in web design speak) at the very top of the page that keeps alternating between these phrases once every several seconds. If you're using a browser that has a reader mode, I'd definitely suggest trying it before commencing reading the page. I tried listening to your recording, and a big thanks for that, but the reading rate is a bit more rapid than I can follow. -- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363 Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its platform. Now, you simply declare your own truth. ~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine Sentiment Took Hold in the United States, September 23, 2019
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Re: Read-all problem with a website
Amir
Greetings,
I can duplicate this using Chrome 83 official and the latest NVDA alpha release (20514). Some words are omitted and some words are repeated in continuous reading, and it seems to be TTS-independent. I first thought the website might refresh (something which might generate such issues while reading), but it seems that no refresh is at work, or at least I can't notice it. Best, Amir
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