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Re: Control Alt N Not Working to Open NVDA

 

Have you restarted the computer?

All triggering of programs via shortcuts is handled via Windows, so the issue lies there.  Sometimes a restart is all it takes to clear whatever "constipation" Windows happens to be experiencing at the moment.  And if you don't know whether or not Fast Startup is enabled, and we're talking a Windows 10 machine, definitely use Restart as that's the only way you can be certain that Windows will be reloaded from disc from scratch when things come back up.
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Re: Control Alt N Not Working to Open NVDA

Hareth
 

Hitting the hotkey twice in quick succession works most of the times,
if once didn't.
SS

On 7/17/20, David Kingsbury <davidkingsbury77@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi all,



I am working with a student who, when she hits Control Alt N to open NVDA,
nothing happens. Same thing with hitting Control Alt J to open JAWS. I know
that it is set correctly in settings, so that is not the problem. Any idea
what the problem might be? Does it have anything to do with updating
drivers
or something like that? If so, what do you do?



Any assistance is appreciated.



Thanks,

David







Re: Minor thing — NVDA and Windows Hello

rowen brian <manchen0528@...>
 

My situation is exactly the same as yours


Re: office 2019 word and nvda

rowen brian <manchen0528@...>
 

I am using office365, Confirm that this problem exists. The content of the start menu will not be read after closing Word. It also won't read the contents of Explorer. Reopening Word will not read. The version I tested is NVDA2020.2RC1, Office365 Version 2006 (Build 13001.20266).


Control Alt N Not Working to Open NVDA

David Kingsbury
 

Hi all,

 

I am working with a student who, when she hits Control Alt N to open NVDA, nothing happens. Same thing with hitting Control Alt J to open JAWS. I know that it is set correctly in settings, so that is not the problem. Any idea what the problem might be? Does it have anything to do with updating drivers or something like that? If so, what do you do?

 

Any assistance is appreciated.

 

Thanks,

David    

 


Re: McAfee Antivirus does not work with NVDA

Rui Fontes
 

Normally I remove the McAfee programs using the NVDA OCR feature...


Rui Fontes

NVDA portuguese team


Às 11:43 de 17/07/2020, Robert Doc Wright godfearer escreveu:

How do you get rid of Macafee
----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Berry" <sb356607@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2020 11:10 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] McAffee Antivirus does not work with NVDA


It does work with JAWS and there is really no reason why it couldn't
work with NVDA.



On 7/16/2020 7:11 AM, Gene wrote:
That's not surprising. Increasing numbers of antivirus programs don't
work with screen-readers. It may work with JAWS; you might want to
try JAWS to see but I'm far from optimistic.

If you are using Windows 10, Windows Defender is highly rated and well
thought of. If Malware Bytes is still accessible, you may want to use
that as well.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Scott Berry
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2020 7:58 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] McAffee Antivirus does not work with NVDA

Hello there,


It looks as though the new McAffee antivirus doesn't work with N'Vda.
It simply says: "Chrome: Cannot read old Chrome."










Re: McAfee Antivirus does not work with NVDA

Robert Doc Wright godfearer
 

How do you get rid of Macafee

----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Berry" <sb356607@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2020 11:10 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] McAffee Antivirus does not work with NVDA


It does work with JAWS and there is really no reason why it couldn't
work with NVDA.



On 7/16/2020 7:11 AM, Gene wrote:
That's not surprising. Increasing numbers of antivirus programs don't
work with screen-readers. It may work with JAWS; you might want to
try JAWS to see but I'm far from optimistic.

If you are using Windows 10, Windows Defender is highly rated and well
thought of. If Malware Bytes is still accessible, you may want to use
that as well.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Scott Berry
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2020 7:58 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] McAffee Antivirus does not work with NVDA

Hello there,


It looks as though the new McAffee antivirus doesn't work with N'Vda.
It simply says: "Chrome: Cannot read old Chrome."







Re: nvda or JAWSnot using the default sound card

Gene
 

Any time you connect a USB sound card, it is the default. there is no reason to do this for playback settings. In terms of recording settings, you set a specific source as the default, not the entire sound card. for example, in the list of recording devices, you may see something under the external sound card like, line-in. If you want that to be the default, you would set that as the default.

The question is, how do you get JAWS and NVDA to reliably play through the sound card you want. there are settings in the screen-readers themselves that direct the audio to the sound card you want.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Laughing Thunder
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2020 11:17 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda or JAWSnot using the default sound card

Try this.


Press the windows key plus R to open the run dialogue.
Enter the following into the text field without the quotes. “control /name microsoft.sound”
Press enter or tab to the OK button and click on it. At this point, the windows sound properties dialog should open.
In the sound properties dialogue, on the playback tab, which should be the tab selected by default, ensure that your external sound card output is set as the default. To do that, use your arrow keys to select it from the list, or have someone with eyesight click on it to select it. Then, right click on it, and choose set as default. Right click on it again, and this time click on set as default communication device. If none of those options show up in the menu after you right click, then the sound card is already set as default.

I hope that these steps will help you. You can also set the default on the recording tab in the same way. This should help ensure that your system always sends audio to the external sound card.




On Jul 16, 2020, at 8:47 PM, Fresh Start <dan@jvillefreshstart.org> wrote:





Greetings all, I have encountered a never before experienced audio issue.

I bought a Lenovo computer with Windows ten home on it to use only for audio editing. The onboard card, realtech, was one of those with only one jack. It was suppose to be an input and output combo which apparently is common on newer computers.

This did not work well when I sent my mixer through it. So I bought a new Creative sound blaster FX card. I have set this as the system default. Disabled the realtech card. Set NVDA to use this the Creative sound blaster FX card under preferences, settings, speech etc. The CD player and all windows sounds come through this card. But NVDA or JAWS will not. Not even narrator.

A very interesting thing happened when I uninstalled NVDA and reinstalled to see if that is the problem. The usual welcome music that comes on when NVDA is installing played. When finished. It would not speak. My sighted wife helped me uninstall and reinstall NVDA. I then tried installing JAWS from my original disc. All went fine since my wife was doing all the clicking. But again, when finished, no screen reader speech. I Found an article by Jonathan Mosen from 2018 where it was suggested to use a program called Silenzio written by Stefan Kiss. It sends sound to the card to prevent it from sleeping. But I don’t think the card is hibernating. The windows functions make sounds and CD player sends music to the Creative sound blaster FX card. So do any of you wizards have an idea what to do? This is a Windows ten computer with 12 gb of ram, a SSD one terabyte storage drive and an extra one for storage.





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Re: amazing tip from you guys on the task manager

Ashley Wayne
 

Oh wow, exact same situation here. This is seriously awesome! Thank you! :)


On Thu, Jul 16, 2020, 8:48 PM Fresh Start <dan@...> wrote:

I have been using windows since it’s beginnings and never heard of control shift ane escape.  I’ve always used alt control delete.  Thanks for the alternative method.

 

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Re: nvda or JAWSnot using the default sound card

Laughing Thunder
 

Try this.

  1. Press the windows key plus R to open the run dialogue.
  2. Enter the following into the text field without the quotes. “control /name microsoft.sound”
  3. Press enter or tab to the OK button and click on it. At this point, the windows sound properties dialog should open.
  4. In the sound properties dialogue, on the playback tab, which should be the tab selected by default, ensure that your external sound card output is set as the default. To do that, use your arrow keys to select it from the list, or have someone with eyesight click on it to select it. Then, right click on it, and choose set as default. Right click on it again, and this time click on set as default communication device. If none of those options show up in the menu after you right click, then the sound card is already set as default.
I hope that these steps will help you. You can also set the default on the recording tab in the same way. This should help ensure that your system always sends audio to the external sound card.


On Jul 16, 2020, at 8:47 PM, Fresh Start <dan@...> wrote:



Greetings all, I have encountered a never before experienced audio issue.

I bought a Lenovo computer with Windows ten home on it to use only for audio editing.  The onboard card, realtech, was one of those with only one jack.  It was suppose to be an input and output combo which apparently is common on newer computers.

This did not work well when I sent my mixer through it.  So I bought a new Creative sound blaster FX card.  I have set this as the system default. Disabled the realtech card.  Set NVDA to use this the Creative sound blaster FX card under preferences, settings, speech etc.  The CD player and all windows sounds come through this card.  But NVDA or JAWS will not.  Not even narrator. 

A very interesting thing happened when I uninstalled NVDA and reinstalled to see if that is the problem.  The usual welcome music that comes on when NVDA  is installing played.  When finished.  It would not speak.   My sighted wife helped me uninstall and reinstall NVDA.  I then tried installing JAWS from my original disc.  All went fine since my wife was doing all the clicking.  But again, when finished, no screen reader speech.  I Found an article by Jonathan Mosen from 2018 where it was suggested to use a program called Silenzio  written by Stefan Kiss.  It sends sound to the card to prevent it from sleeping.  But I don’t think the card is hibernating.  The windows functions make sounds and CD player sends music to the Creative sound blaster FX card.  So do any of you wizards have an idea what to do?  This is a Windows ten computer with 12 gb of ram, a SSD one terabyte  storage drive and an extra one for storage.   

 


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Re: nvda or JAWSnot using the default sound card

Jackie
 

Have you gone into NVDA Preferences > Settings > Speech then click
'synthesizer & press the 'change' button. At this point, you can set a
default card for NVDA.

On 7/16/20, Fresh Start <dan@jvillefreshstart.org> wrote:
Greetings all, I have encountered a never before experienced audio issue.

I bought a Lenovo computer with Windows ten home on it to use only for
audio
editing. The onboard card, realtech, was one of those with only one jack.
It was suppose to be an input and output combo which apparently is common
on
newer computers.

This did not work well when I sent my mixer through it. So I bought a new
Creative sound blaster FX card. I have set this as the system default.
Disabled the realtech card. Set NVDA to use this the Creative sound
blaster
FX card under preferences, settings, speech etc. The CD player and all
windows sounds come through this card. But NVDA or JAWS will not. Not
even
narrator.

A very interesting thing happened when I uninstalled NVDA and reinstalled
to
see if that is the problem. The usual welcome music that comes on when
NVDA
is installing played. When finished. It would not speak. My sighted
wife
helped me uninstall and reinstall NVDA. I then tried installing JAWS from
my original disc. All went fine since my wife was doing all the clicking.
But again, when finished, no screen reader speech. I Found an article by
Jonathan Mosen from 2018 where it was suggested to use a program called
Silenzio written by Stefan Kiss. It sends sound to the card to prevent it
from sleeping. But I don't think the card is hibernating. The windows
functions make sounds and CD player sends music to the Creative sound
blaster FX card. So do any of you wizards have an idea what to do? This
is
a Windows ten computer with 12 gb of ram, a SSD one terabyte storage drive
and an extra one for storage.






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Re: amazing tip from you guys on the task manager

Fresh Start
 

Wow, thanks.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sam Taylor via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2020 9:52 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] amazing tip from you guys on the task manager

 

You could also press windows x, followed by t. :)

 

On 17/07/2020 12:48 pm, Fresh Start wrote:

I have been using windows since it’s beginnings and never heard of control shift ane escape.  I’ve always used alt control delete.  Thanks for the alternative method.

 

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Re: amazing tip from you guys on the task manager

Sam Taylor
 

You could also press windows x, followed by t. :)


On 17/07/2020 12:48 pm, Fresh Start wrote:

I have been using windows since it’s beginnings and never heard of control shift ane escape.  I’ve always used alt control delete.  Thanks for the alternative method.

 

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amazing tip from you guys on the task manager

Fresh Start
 

I have been using windows since it’s beginnings and never heard of control shift ane escape.  I’ve always used alt control delete.  Thanks for the alternative method.

 

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nvda or JAWSnot using the default sound card

Fresh Start
 

Greetings all, I have encountered a never before experienced audio issue.

I bought a Lenovo computer with Windows ten home on it to use only for audio editing.  The onboard card, realtech, was one of those with only one jack.  It was suppose to be an input and output combo which apparently is common on newer computers.

This did not work well when I sent my mixer through it.  So I bought a new Creative sound blaster FX card.  I have set this as the system default. Disabled the realtech card.  Set NVDA to use this the Creative sound blaster FX card under preferences, settings, speech etc.  The CD player and all windows sounds come through this card.  But NVDA or JAWS will not.  Not even narrator. 

A very interesting thing happened when I uninstalled NVDA and reinstalled to see if that is the problem.  The usual welcome music that comes on when NVDA  is installing played.  When finished.  It would not speak.   My sighted wife helped me uninstall and reinstall NVDA.  I then tried installing JAWS from my original disc.  All went fine since my wife was doing all the clicking.  But again, when finished, no screen reader speech.  I Found an article by Jonathan Mosen from 2018 where it was suggested to use a program called Silenzio  written by Stefan Kiss.  It sends sound to the card to prevent it from sleeping.  But I don’t think the card is hibernating.  The windows functions make sounds and CD player sends music to the Creative sound blaster FX card.  So do any of you wizards have an idea what to do?  This is a Windows ten computer with 12 gb of ram, a SSD one terabyte  storage drive and an extra one for storage.   

 


Re: McAfee Antivirus does not work with NVDA

 

On Thu, Jul 16, 2020 at 06:59 PM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
We have windows defender.

That apparently is actually quite crappy now but with so many false positives who knows now days.
-
It's easy for anyone to know "now days" and has been for years.  There are a number of large, very well-known, and well-respected organizations that do testing on security suites over and over and over again and frequently enough to let anyone who cares to look at their results know how things stand not only here and now, but historically if you look at the earlier testing results.

Where a given product lands depends on exactly how the given organization tests, but you will see clear trends regarding what security suites are best, and have been best for some time.  Windows Defender has been a top-shelf product, being in the top ten results consistently, since its major rework under Windows 8, and that has been carried over in to Windows 10.

Look at the most recent testing results from the following antivirus/security testing labs, along with the historical results from the past several years if you want to see how Windows Security/Defender has been performing.  Windows Security has been solidly in the top 10, often top 5, and frequently beats out several well-known competitors that one must pay for.

AV Test

AV Comparatives

SE Labs  (Reports Page)

MRG Effitas  (360 Protection Testing Category)


Virtually everything that's been mentioned here about the waxing and waning of accessibility with third-party security products has been said repeatedly.  Even my advice regarding how to find something that's as close to "objective" information about how various security suites perform "in real life, in the wild" have been offered before.

At this point, I'm requesting that this topic be brought rapidly to a close, though I'm not locking it.  If you want a product that is maximally accessible, and extremely good at its intended purpose, then use Windows Security.  It's just that simple.
 
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Re: office 2019 word and nvda

 

Well this issue happens on an exit command from word 2019.

It doesn't happen on 2016.

Word exits, it maybe taking time to do so though powering narator at the point word exits shows it has in deed exited to desktop.

In 10 seconds or so word will complete exiting to desktop as far as nvda gives a damn.

However at that point nvda will not read anything right like search boxes till I restart it.

Luckily running nvda again will restart it.

I have yet to try it on the rc but assuming it is going on the rc its almost like nvda is waiting for catch up.

On 17/07/2020 8:56 am, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi all,
Based on the log posted by Luke, it appears NVDA is trying to obtain
information from a control that no longer exists (according to accessibility
API's) or something is grabbing NVDA's attention too long.
Technical: I think there is a thread deadlock somewhere. The log fragment in
question (see the GitHub issue Luke created) mostly points to threads trying
to wait for something from its processing queue. This is evidenced by the
fact that multiple threads are waiting for a response from a "dead" UIA
element in regards to supported properties.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Luke Davis
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2020 1:43 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] office 2019 word and nvda

I have created an issue for this. If it is happening to you and you want it
fixed, please post a comment and possibly more information on this issue:

https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/11391

Luke





Re: McAfee Antivirus does not work with NVDA

 

I tried sophos home but because of those false positives, the program went through my drive and other things and deleted everything that was bad.

As you can imagine, I had a nice long load of errors, reinstalling several programs, a reformat so windows would stop saying errors at me, etc.

I have come to the conclusion that security software doesn't like any disabled people or at least not blind gamers like myself.

I like windows defender because I can control it without losing to much and if I do its easy to fix.

On 17/07/2020 1:11 am, Gene wrote:
That's not surprising.  Increasing numbers of antivirus programs don't work with screen-readers.  It may work with JAWS; you might want to try JAWS to see but I'm far from optimistic.

If you are using Windows 10, Windows Defender is highly rated and well thought of.  If Malware Bytes is still accessible, you may want to use that as well.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Scott Berry
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2020 7:58 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] McAffee Antivirus does not work with NVDA

Hello there,


It looks as though the new McAffee antivirus doesn't work with N'Vda.
It simply says:  "Chrome:  Cannot read old Chrome."






.


Re: McAfee Antivirus does not work with NVDA

 

Yeah, there is an article on a blog I am on on this.

We have windows defender.

That aparently is actually quite crappy now but with so many false positives who knows now days.

Someone says that kaspersky cloud is supposed to be good.

However I have so many games, and files which are false alarms even to malwarebytes, most of them bgt games, then the virtual recorder program and a few other actual programs, that I have lived with a lot of my drives excluded, my data drive is completely excluded, my backup drives are also excluded.

In fact all drive letters through to h are excluded from scanning, so are a lot of folders in program files.

Anything which is blindness related is excluded.

The only things the checker notices are windows itself and my user account and downloads, I have even excluded all my cloud locations because if there is a virus, the cloud system like dropbox becomes nicely stuck.

On 17/07/2020 1:11 am, Gene wrote:
That's not surprising.  Increasing numbers of antivirus programs don't work with screen-readers.  It may work with JAWS; you might want to try JAWS to see but I'm far from optimistic.

If you are using Windows 10, Windows Defender is highly rated and well thought of.  If Malware Bytes is still accessible, you may want to use that as well.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Scott Berry
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2020 7:58 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] McAffee Antivirus does not work with NVDA

Hello there,


It looks as though the new McAffee antivirus doesn't work with N'Vda.
It simply says:  "Chrome:  Cannot read old Chrome."






.


Re: McAfee Antivirus does not work with NVDA

David Goldfield
 

To Gene's point I can tell you that Kaspersky Antivirus, while its accessibility is far from ideal, works much better with NVDA than it does with JAWS. With JAWS I need to use the touch cursor to review the screen, which is similar to NVDA's object navigation. With NVDA navigating with the tab key does at least provide some feedback although there are instances where using object navigation is needed.

On 7/16/2020 2:21 PM, Gene wrote:
It depends. Years ago, Avast wasn't accessible with screen-readers.  In order to allow information to reach JAWS from Avast, the developers explicitly told Avast to let JAWS see the information.  Without that explicit exception, allowing information to reach the screen-reader was stopped by the self defense system of NVDA.

I'm not saying the same situation exists today, but it can't be assumed that because an antivirus program works with one screen-reader that it will work with others.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Scott Berry
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2020 12:10 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] McAffee Antivirus does not work with NVDA

It does work with JAWS and there is really no reason why it couldn't
work with NVDA.



On 7/16/2020 7:11 AM, Gene wrote:
That's not surprising.  Increasing numbers of antivirus programs don't work with screen-readers.  It may work with JAWS; you might want to try JAWS to see but I'm far from optimistic.

If you are using Windows 10, Windows Defender is highly rated and well thought of.  If Malware Bytes is still accessible, you may want to use that as well.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Scott Berry
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2020 7:58 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] McAffee Antivirus does not work with NVDA

Hello there,


It looks as though the new McAffee antivirus doesn't work with N'Vda.
It simply says:  "Chrome:  Cannot read old Chrome."









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