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NVDA Reads Unknown after installing Skype for business

Mohith BP
 

Hi List,

I am facing a strange problem in our office. The issue is there in at
least 10 laptops in our office.
After installing Skype for Business 2016, NVDA announces "Unknown" in
the "Alt+Tab list and in the web browsers.
I tried the below steps to fix the same however after restart the
issue remains the same:
Step 1 : log in as administrator
Step 2: run this script in command prompt: - for %x in
(c:\windows\system32\*.dll) do regsvr32 /s %x
Step 3 reload nvda

Please let me know is there any solution or do I need to raise a ticket.


Thanks & Regards,
Mohith B. P.


Re: A better interface to working with chrome - opera

Aravind R
 

does chrome or opera has image reading facility like firefox with webvisum?

On 8/23/16, Jacob Kruger <jacob@...> wrote:
On my side it seems as fast as chrome, but, haven't really done anything
like a form of speed-testing.


Main thing is that the interface definitely works better for me than
chrome, in terms of doing something simple like loading a webpage, and
getting to page contents immediately - I work with the web a lot.


And, while I like firefox, it does still seem to, at times, cause minor
lock-up issues with NVDA, but anyway.


But, yes, I am a web developer, so I actually switch between different
browsers for different forms of activity, or at times just to make sure
they react/act in similar fashions depending on what am playing around
with in terms of client-side activity, but anyway.


Stay well


Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."

On 2016-08-23 12:53 AM, Greg Wocher wrote:
Hello,

I installed it earlier today and for most part it is very accessible.
I do find it just a bit slower than Chrome and Firefox though.


Regards,

Greg WOcher


On 8/22/2016 5:10 PM, Jacob Kruger wrote:
Yup:

http://www.opera.com


But, I actually just installed it via ninite.com...<smile>


Stay well


Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."

On 2016-08-22 11:01 PM, Arlene wrote:
That is still around? Opra? I heard about it in the old xp days!

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Jacob Kruger
Sent: August-22-16 12:42 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] A better interface to working with chrome - opera

While had sort of forgotten about opera web browser since it didn't
seem to work with screen readers a little while ago, realised that
it nowadays seems to have implemented a sort of embedded form of
chrome, which means that you can work perfectly well enough with it,
along with NVDA.


And, the other advantage is that while it has a similar form of
interface in terms of menu system to chrome, besides that, the
interface is a lot cleaner/simpler, and, for example, shift+tab from
address bar will in fact just take you to the web page contents.


Now, while haven't played around with all of it's settings as of
yet, it does also, at the very least, make use of all the
standard/same keystrokes as internet explorer, chrome, etc. - as in,
keystrokes to open links in new popup windows, navigating
back/forward through history, etc., and, it also seems to have a
couple of nice, other tweaks, etc., like what it refers to as it's
speed-dial, which lets you assign hotkeys to bring up specific
websites, etc. etc.


Anyway, specifically what with it's cleaner form of an interface,
but, still being based on chrome, I am pretty sure this will be my
default browser - unless come across some specific problems...<smile>


And, lastly, FWIW, in the old sighted days, opera was also generally
my browser of choice, simply since it was, even back then, basically
a stripped down, cleaner interface, which is meant to be able to
load webpages quicker, use less system resources, etc. etc.


Stay well


Jacob Kruger

Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."

















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Re: A better interface to working with chrome - opera

Jacob Kruger
 

On my side it seems as fast as chrome, but, haven't really done anything like a form of speed-testing.


Main thing is that the interface definitely works better for me than chrome, in terms of doing something simple like loading a webpage, and getting to page contents immediately - I work with the web a lot.


And, while I like firefox, it does still seem to, at times, cause minor lock-up issues with NVDA, but anyway.


But, yes, I am a web developer, so I actually switch between different browsers for different forms of activity, or at times just to make sure they react/act in similar fashions depending on what am playing around with in terms of client-side activity, but anyway.


Stay well


Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."

On 2016-08-23 12:53 AM, Greg Wocher wrote:
Hello,

I installed it earlier today and for most part it is very accessible. I do find it just a bit slower than Chrome and Firefox though.


Regards,

Greg WOcher


On 8/22/2016 5:10 PM, Jacob Kruger wrote:
Yup:

http://www.opera.com


But, I actually just installed it via ninite.com...<smile>


Stay well


Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."

On 2016-08-22 11:01 PM, Arlene wrote:
That is still around? Opra? I heard about it in the old xp days!

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jacob Kruger
Sent: August-22-16 12:42 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] A better interface to working with chrome - opera

While had sort of forgotten about opera web browser since it didn't seem to work with screen readers a little while ago, realised that it nowadays seems to have implemented a sort of embedded form of chrome, which means that you can work perfectly well enough with it, along with NVDA.


And, the other advantage is that while it has a similar form of interface in terms of menu system to chrome, besides that, the interface is a lot cleaner/simpler, and, for example, shift+tab from address bar will in fact just take you to the web page contents.


Now, while haven't played around with all of it's settings as of yet, it does also, at the very least, make use of all the standard/same keystrokes as internet explorer, chrome, etc. - as in, keystrokes to open links in new popup windows, navigating back/forward through history, etc., and, it also seems to have a couple of nice, other tweaks, etc., like what it refers to as it's speed-dial, which lets you assign hotkeys to bring up specific websites, etc. etc.


Anyway, specifically what with it's cleaner form of an interface, but, still being based on chrome, I am pretty sure this will be my default browser - unless come across some specific problems...<smile>


And, lastly, FWIW, in the old sighted days, opera was also generally my browser of choice, simply since it was, even back then, basically a stripped down, cleaner interface, which is meant to be able to load webpages quicker, use less system resources, etc. etc.


Stay well


Jacob Kruger

Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."














Re: A better interface to working with chrome - opera

Jacob Kruger
 

Opera is an alternative web browser, that does seem to operate making use of a form of chrome for rendering the web contents, but, thus far, it's interface is better than chrome's own one - my opinion anyway.


Stay well


Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."

On 2016-08-23 4:35 AM, Arlene wrote:
Hi there: Is Opra a form of Crome? Or is it used for web coding?

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jacob Kruger
Sent: August-22-16 2:11 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A better interface to working with chrome - opera

Yup:

http://www.opera.com


But, I actually just installed it via ninite.com...<smile>


Stay well


Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."

On 2016-08-22 11:01 PM, Arlene wrote:
That is still around? Opra? I heard about it in the old xp days!

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Jacob Kruger
Sent: August-22-16 12:42 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] A better interface to working with chrome - opera

While had sort of forgotten about opera web browser since it didn't seem to work with screen readers a little while ago, realised that it nowadays seems to have implemented a sort of embedded form of chrome, which means that you can work perfectly well enough with it, along with NVDA.


And, the other advantage is that while it has a similar form of interface in terms of menu system to chrome, besides that, the interface is a lot cleaner/simpler, and, for example, shift+tab from address bar will in fact just take you to the web page contents.


Now, while haven't played around with all of it's settings as of yet, it does also, at the very least, make use of all the standard/same keystrokes as internet explorer, chrome, etc. - as in, keystrokes to open links in new popup windows, navigating back/forward through history, etc., and, it also seems to have a couple of nice, other tweaks, etc., like what it refers to as it's speed-dial, which lets you assign hotkeys to bring up specific websites, etc. etc.


Anyway, specifically what with it's cleaner form of an interface, but,
still being based on chrome, I am pretty sure this will be my default
browser - unless come across some specific problems...<smile>


And, lastly, FWIW, in the old sighted days, opera was also generally my browser of choice, simply since it was, even back then, basically a stripped down, cleaner interface, which is meant to be able to load webpages quicker, use less system resources, etc. etc.


Stay well


Jacob Kruger

Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."














Re: How to do post-production work in audacity class exercises are now available.

jeremy <icu8it2@...>
 

Yep, the link worked fine for me also. Once I'd copied it, I just had to remove the space at the end I think and it took me straight to the download. Worked like a charm.


On 8/22/2016 9:18 PM, Gene wrote:
What is the full address?  It should not be necessary in modern browsers to type http://www. or http:// and then the address.  I haven't tried using a colon but I doubt that will help.  Yesterday, I cut and pasted the link into firefox as written, and I was able to follow it after removing the period.  But when giving links, people should give the full link.  Whatever it is http:// then the link or http://www. followed by the link. 
 
Browsers won't see a link with no prefix as a link.  It can't be clicked on.  It must be pasted into a browser.  And it may be, I don't know, that under certain conditions, a link with no prefix cannot be followed when pasted as is into a browser. 
 
The correct link in this case is:
 
Note that just placing a colon before the link is not correct.  :// is the correct syntax.  Also, there is no www. in this linik. 
 
If people don't have their screen-readers set to read punctuation, the various ways I've written for the beginnings of links should be read character by character to make sure no punctuation is missed. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, August 22, 2016 8:40 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to do post-production work in audacity class exercises are now available.

Hi,

If anyone typed http:// before, did it work? It should have redirected to https if so. If anyone got an error with simply http in there, please let me know, because my server has hsts set, so that means I can't connect to it insecurely because my browser won't, and anyone's browser won't after their first visit to my site.


On 8/22/2016 10:19 AM, Governor staten wrote:

Thanks Jim! Chalk it up as a lapse of thinking for me. :)





On 8/22/2016 7:15 AM, The Gamages wrote:
you need to type http:\\ before the address if it’s not already there in your browser.
 
Best Regards, Jim.
 
From: Gene
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2016 5:09 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to do post-production work in audacity class exercises are now available.
 
It works here. I don't know why you are having a problem.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2016 10:49 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to do post-production work in audacity class exercises are now available.

I looked character by character. I deleted the period from the end and any trailing spaces at the end as well. I get an error 404 not found. This is the link to the self extracting executable. I haven't tried the other link yet.


On 8/21/2016 3:31 AM, Gene wrote:
If a link doesn't work, look at it character by character.  If you copied the link to the address bar in your browser, you probably copied the period that ended the sentence immediately after the link.  Copy the link to the address bar, move to the end with the end command, back space once to remove the period, then follow the link. 
 
Gene
 
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2016 1:51 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to do post-production work in audacity class exercises are now available.
 

What error do you get?


On 8/20/2016 11:14 PM, Governor staten wrote:
I'd like to get these files. It appears that the link doesn't work.





On 8/21/2016 12:51 AM, derek riemer wrote:
yesterday I mentioned the course to 
teach potential NVDACon editors
how to edit audio, in hopes of getting people interested in helping
with post-production of the NVDACon sessions. If you are interested in
challenge problems and exercises that are encouraged for those
learning audio editing, you can download them at
files.derekriemer.com/audacity_editing_class.exe.

Note that this is simply a 7zip self-extracting archive. If you are
weary of running executables, you can install 7zip, and unpack the
archive from this link (It's the exact same files, just not
self-extracting). files.derekriemer.com/audacity_editing_class.7z

Also, under this folder is challenge.wav. This is the audio of the
class I ran on teamtalk today. It is unedited, so that you can
practice making a post-production ready audio file. In order to
compress to mp3 in audacity, you need to install the laime library for
MP3 encoding. This is clearly documented on the audacity website
http://wiki.audacityteam.org/wiki/Lame_Installation


--

Derek Riemer

  • Department of computer science, third year undergraduate student.
  • Proud user of the NVDA screen reader.
  • Open source enthusiast.
  • Member of Bridge Cu
  • Avid skiier.

Websites:
Honors portfolio
Awesome little hand built weather app!

mailto:derek.riemer@...
Phone: (303) 906-2194




--

Derek Riemer

  • Department of computer science, third year undergraduate student.
  • Proud user of the NVDA screen reader.
  • Open source enthusiast.
  • Member of Bridge Cu
  • Avid skiier.

Websites:
Honors portfolio
Awesome little hand built weather app!

email me at derek.riemer@...
Phone: (303) 906-2194



Re: A better interface to working with chrome - opera

Arlene
 

Hi there: Is Opra a form of Crome? Or is it used for web coding?

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jacob Kruger
Sent: August-22-16 2:11 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A better interface to working with chrome - opera

Yup:

http://www.opera.com


But, I actually just installed it via ninite.com...<smile>


Stay well


Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."

On 2016-08-22 11:01 PM, Arlene wrote:
That is still around? Opra? I heard about it in the old xp days!

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Jacob Kruger
Sent: August-22-16 12:42 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] A better interface to working with chrome - opera

While had sort of forgotten about opera web browser since it didn't seem to work with screen readers a little while ago, realised that it nowadays seems to have implemented a sort of embedded form of chrome, which means that you can work perfectly well enough with it, along with NVDA.


And, the other advantage is that while it has a similar form of interface in terms of menu system to chrome, besides that, the interface is a lot cleaner/simpler, and, for example, shift+tab from address bar will in fact just take you to the web page contents.


Now, while haven't played around with all of it's settings as of yet, it does also, at the very least, make use of all the standard/same keystrokes as internet explorer, chrome, etc. - as in, keystrokes to open links in new popup windows, navigating back/forward through history, etc., and, it also seems to have a couple of nice, other tweaks, etc., like what it refers to as it's speed-dial, which lets you assign hotkeys to bring up specific websites, etc. etc.


Anyway, specifically what with it's cleaner form of an interface, but,
still being based on chrome, I am pretty sure this will be my default
browser - unless come across some specific problems...<smile>


And, lastly, FWIW, in the old sighted days, opera was also generally my browser of choice, simply since it was, even back then, basically a stripped down, cleaner interface, which is meant to be able to load webpages quicker, use less system resources, etc. etc.


Stay well


Jacob Kruger

Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."









Re: How to do post-production work in audacity class exercises are now available.

Gene
 

What is the full address?  It should not be necessary in modern browsers to type http://www. or http:// and then the address.  I haven't tried using a colon but I doubt that will help.  Yesterday, I cut and pasted the link into firefox as written, and I was able to follow it after removing the period.  But when giving links, people should give the full link.  Whatever it is http:// then the link or http://www. followed by the link. 
 
Browsers won't see a link with no prefix as a link.  It can't be clicked on.  It must be pasted into a browser.  And it may be, I don't know, that under certain conditions, a link with no prefix cannot be followed when pasted as is into a browser. 
 
The correct link in this case is:
 
Note that just placing a colon before the link is not correct.  :// is the correct syntax.  Also, there is no www. in this linik. 
 
If people don't have their screen-readers set to read punctuation, the various ways I've written for the beginnings of links should be read character by character to make sure no punctuation is missed. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, August 22, 2016 8:40 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to do post-production work in audacity class exercises are now available.

Hi,

If anyone typed http:// before, did it work? It should have redirected to https if so. If anyone got an error with simply http in there, please let me know, because my server has hsts set, so that means I can't connect to it insecurely because my browser won't, and anyone's browser won't after their first visit to my site.


On 8/22/2016 10:19 AM, Governor staten wrote:

Thanks Jim! Chalk it up as a lapse of thinking for me. :)





On 8/22/2016 7:15 AM, The Gamages wrote:
you need to type http:\\ before the address if it’s not already there in your browser.
 
Best Regards, Jim.
 
From: Gene
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2016 5:09 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to do post-production work in audacity class exercises are now available.
 
It works here. I don't know why you are having a problem.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2016 10:49 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to do post-production work in audacity class exercises are now available.

I looked character by character. I deleted the period from the end and any trailing spaces at the end as well. I get an error 404 not found. This is the link to the self extracting executable. I haven't tried the other link yet.


On 8/21/2016 3:31 AM, Gene wrote:
If a link doesn't work, look at it character by character.  If you copied the link to the address bar in your browser, you probably copied the period that ended the sentence immediately after the link.  Copy the link to the address bar, move to the end with the end command, back space once to remove the period, then follow the link. 
 
Gene
 
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2016 1:51 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to do post-production work in audacity class exercises are now available.
 

What error do you get?


On 8/20/2016 11:14 PM, Governor staten wrote:
I'd like to get these files. It appears that the link doesn't work.





On 8/21/2016 12:51 AM, derek riemer wrote:
yesterday I mentioned the course to 
teach potential NVDACon editors
how to edit audio, in hopes of getting people interested in helping
with post-production of the NVDACon sessions. If you are interested in
challenge problems and exercises that are encouraged for those
learning audio editing, you can download them at
files.derekriemer.com/audacity_editing_class.exe.

Note that this is simply a 7zip self-extracting archive. If you are
weary of running executables, you can install 7zip, and unpack the
archive from this link (It's the exact same files, just not
self-extracting). files.derekriemer.com/audacity_editing_class.7z

Also, under this folder is challenge.wav. This is the audio of the
class I ran on teamtalk today. It is unedited, so that you can
practice making a post-production ready audio file. In order to
compress to mp3 in audacity, you need to install the laime library for
MP3 encoding. This is clearly documented on the audacity website
http://wiki.audacityteam.org/wiki/Lame_Installation


--

Derek Riemer

  • Department of computer science, third year undergraduate student.
  • Proud user of the NVDA screen reader.
  • Open source enthusiast.
  • Member of Bridge Cu
  • Avid skiier.

Websites:
Honors portfolio
Awesome little hand built weather app!

mailto:derek.riemer@...
Phone: (303) 906-2194




--

Derek Riemer

  • Department of computer science, third year undergraduate student.
  • Proud user of the NVDA screen reader.
  • Open source enthusiast.
  • Member of Bridge Cu
  • Avid skiier.

Websites:
Honors portfolio
Awesome little hand built weather app!

email me at derek.riemer@...
Phone: (303) 906-2194


Re: How to do post-production work in audacity class exercises are now available.

derek riemer
 

Hi,

If anyone typed http:// before, did it work? It should have redirected to https if so. If anyone got an error with simply http in there, please let me know, because my server has hsts set, so that means I can't connect to it insecurely because my browser won't, and anyone's browser won't after their first visit to my site.


On 8/22/2016 10:19 AM, Governor staten wrote:

Thanks Jim! Chalk it up as a lapse of thinking for me. :)





On 8/22/2016 7:15 AM, The Gamages wrote:
you need to type http:\\ before the address if it’s not already there in your browser.
 
Best Regards, Jim.
 
From: Gene
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2016 5:09 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to do post-production work in audacity class exercises are now available.
 
It works here. I don't know why you are having a problem.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2016 10:49 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to do post-production work in audacity class exercises are now available.

I looked character by character. I deleted the period from the end and any trailing spaces at the end as well. I get an error 404 not found. This is the link to the self extracting executable. I haven't tried the other link yet.


On 8/21/2016 3:31 AM, Gene wrote:
If a link doesn't work, look at it character by character.  If you copied the link to the address bar in your browser, you probably copied the period that ended the sentence immediately after the link.  Copy the link to the address bar, move to the end with the end command, back space once to remove the period, then follow the link. 
 
Gene
 
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2016 1:51 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to do post-production work in audacity class exercises are now available.
 

What error do you get?


On 8/20/2016 11:14 PM, Governor staten wrote:
I'd like to get these files. It appears that the link doesn't work.





On 8/21/2016 12:51 AM, derek riemer wrote:
yesterday I mentioned the course to 
teach potential NVDACon editors
how to edit audio, in hopes of getting people interested in helping
with post-production of the NVDACon sessions. If you are interested in
challenge problems and exercises that are encouraged for those
learning audio editing, you can download them at
files.derekriemer.com/audacity_editing_class.exe.

Note that this is simply a 7zip self-extracting archive. If you are
weary of running executables, you can install 7zip, and unpack the
archive from this link (It's the exact same files, just not
self-extracting). files.derekriemer.com/audacity_editing_class.7z

Also, under this folder is challenge.wav. This is the audio of the
class I ran on teamtalk today. It is unedited, so that you can
practice making a post-production ready audio file. In order to
compress to mp3 in audacity, you need to install the laime library for
MP3 encoding. This is clearly documented on the audacity website
http://wiki.audacityteam.org/wiki/Lame_Installation


--

Derek Riemer

  • Department of computer science, third year undergraduate student.
  • Proud user of the NVDA screen reader.
  • Open source enthusiast.
  • Member of Bridge Cu
  • Avid skiier.

Websites:
Honors portfolio
Awesome little hand built weather app!

mailto:derek.riemer@...
Phone: (303) 906-2194




--

Derek Riemer

  • Department of computer science, third year undergraduate student.
  • Proud user of the NVDA screen reader.
  • Open source enthusiast.
  • Member of Bridge Cu
  • Avid skiier.

Websites:
Honors portfolio
Awesome little hand built weather app!

email me at derek.riemer@...
Phone: (303) 906-2194


NVDA freezing in Microsoft Word 2016 when navigating to annotations

Pranav Lal
 

Hi all,

I have a word document with many annotations namely track changes and comments.
When I open it in Microsoft Word 2016, I switch to brows mode and then navigate
to annotations. NVDA gives me a list of headings presumably under which the
annotations are listed. I arrow to my heading of choice and hit enter. NVDA
freezes. I have no speech and have to reboot to get it back.

Has anyone else encountered this problem?
Pranav


Re: A better interface to working with chrome - opera

Greg Wocher
 

Hello,

I installed it earlier today and for most part it is very accessible. I do find it just a bit slower than Chrome and Firefox though.


Regards,

Greg WOcher

On 8/22/2016 5:10 PM, Jacob Kruger wrote:
Yup:

http://www.opera.com


But, I actually just installed it via ninite.com...<smile>


Stay well


Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."

On 2016-08-22 11:01 PM, Arlene wrote:
That is still around? Opra? I heard about it in the old xp days!

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jacob Kruger
Sent: August-22-16 12:42 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] A better interface to working with chrome - opera

While had sort of forgotten about opera web browser since it didn't seem to work with screen readers a little while ago, realised that it nowadays seems to have implemented a sort of embedded form of chrome, which means that you can work perfectly well enough with it, along with NVDA.


And, the other advantage is that while it has a similar form of interface in terms of menu system to chrome, besides that, the interface is a lot cleaner/simpler, and, for example, shift+tab from address bar will in fact just take you to the web page contents.


Now, while haven't played around with all of it's settings as of yet, it does also, at the very least, make use of all the standard/same keystrokes as internet explorer, chrome, etc. - as in, keystrokes to open links in new popup windows, navigating back/forward through history, etc., and, it also seems to have a couple of nice, other tweaks, etc., like what it refers to as it's speed-dial, which lets you assign hotkeys to bring up specific websites, etc. etc.


Anyway, specifically what with it's cleaner form of an interface, but, still being based on chrome, I am pretty sure this will be my default browser - unless come across some specific problems...<smile>


And, lastly, FWIW, in the old sighted days, opera was also generally my browser of choice, simply since it was, even back then, basically a stripped down, cleaner interface, which is meant to be able to load webpages quicker, use less system resources, etc. etc.


Stay well


Jacob Kruger

Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."










Re: A better interface to working with chrome - opera

Jacob Kruger
 

Yup:

http://www.opera.com


But, I actually just installed it via ninite.com...<smile>


Stay well


Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."

On 2016-08-22 11:01 PM, Arlene wrote:
That is still around? Opra? I heard about it in the old xp days!

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jacob Kruger
Sent: August-22-16 12:42 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] A better interface to working with chrome - opera

While had sort of forgotten about opera web browser since it didn't seem to work with screen readers a little while ago, realised that it nowadays seems to have implemented a sort of embedded form of chrome, which means that you can work perfectly well enough with it, along with NVDA.


And, the other advantage is that while it has a similar form of interface in terms of menu system to chrome, besides that, the interface is a lot cleaner/simpler, and, for example, shift+tab from address bar will in fact just take you to the web page contents.


Now, while haven't played around with all of it's settings as of yet, it does also, at the very least, make use of all the standard/same keystrokes as internet explorer, chrome, etc. - as in, keystrokes to open links in new popup windows, navigating back/forward through history, etc., and, it also seems to have a couple of nice, other tweaks, etc., like what it refers to as it's speed-dial, which lets you assign hotkeys to bring up specific websites, etc. etc.


Anyway, specifically what with it's cleaner form of an interface, but, still being based on chrome, I am pretty sure this will be my default browser - unless come across some specific problems...<smile>


And, lastly, FWIW, in the old sighted days, opera was also generally my browser of choice, simply since it was, even back then, basically a stripped down, cleaner interface, which is meant to be able to load webpages quicker, use less system resources, etc. etc.


Stay well


Jacob Kruger

Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."








Re: dealing with Pins on the Windows 10 start

Arlene
 

Good enough! That’s what I want to do!

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jacob Kruger
Sent: August-22-16 12:29 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] dealing with Pins on the Windows 10 start

 

Yes.

 

Like said, it's a standard install package, and doesn't install automatically from that site, so, yes, you can.

 

Stay well

 

Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."

On 2016-08-22 9:27 PM, Arlene wrote:

That’s what I want to do is download it to the external. Then when I get a windows ten computer then I’ll instal it then. Can I do that?

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jacob Kruger
Sent: August-22-16 12:25 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] dealing with Pins on the Windows 10 start

 

Well, you can copy the install package onto your external, but, think you'd need to install it on both systems separately...<smile>

 

Stay well

 

Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."

On 2016-08-22 9:16 PM, Arlene wrote:

Okay! Well done. Then I can put it onto my external?

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jacob Kruger
Sent: August-22-16 12:14 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] dealing with Pins on the Windows 10 start

 

Yes - you download a standard install package from that site.

 

Stay well

 

Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."

On 2016-08-22 8:47 PM, Arlene wrote:

Thanks. Can I go download it to my 7 computer and put it to the external hard drive should I end up with ten?

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jacob Kruger
Sent: August-21-16 10:23 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] dealing with Pins on the Windows 10 start

 

http://www.classicshell.net/

 

Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."

On 2016-08-22 7:21 AM, Arlene wrote:

Hi, Where do you get classic shell? I’m asking this shell I end up getting windows ten.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Christo Vorster
Sent: August-21-16 10:15 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] dealing with Pins on the Windows 10 start

 

Hi

 

There is method in the madness of teaching Windows+M and Windows+d.

 

Windows+D maximize the desktop while Windows+M minimize it.

 

I have found that installing Classic Shell is a great help. This make Win10 look like win7.

 

By the way, Classic Shell is free.

 

Regards

 

Christo Vorster (Worcester South Africa)

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brandon Keith Biggs
Sent: Sunday, 21 August 2016 11:55 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] dealing with Pins on the Windows 10 start

 

Hello,

I think I figured it out.

The top row is folders and under that is a grid of everything in those folders. The problem is that grid is really strangely shaped and if you press an arrow key you may jump to another folder. Nice thing is it will announce the new folder, but that is also what makes it so confusing.

 

*Note* windows + d also takes you to the desktop like windows + m does, you only need to use one hand though. I've never understood why they teach windows + m when windows + d is easier to do and remember.

Thanks,


 

On Sat, Aug 20, 2016 at 10:10 PM, Jeremy <icu8it2@...> wrote:

Haha, a fun one! First, and apologies to those who may disagree, but it seems to me that currently, the Start menu on 10 with NVDA is slightly less than pleasant to use. :)
I've changed mine up now, I got tired of how crappy it was working for me so I took all the stuff out of the pinned apps area so it no longer shows up, but this is what I was able to figure out.

When you first press the start button and it lands you in the search box, you can press tab, either once or twice and it should take you to a vertical list containing a fairly large number of apps and some of their associated folders. As you arrow up and down here, NVDA will first read the section you come to, so A, B, etc and then under those, read you apps that fall under those sections. As you probably already know, it's here that you can press the applications key and pin said apps to the start menu.

As for the area where Apps actually get pinned, it looks like shift tab is what you want, so doing it from the search box should land you there. It's here that you should be able to use the arrow keys to move up, down, left and right in the grid, but unfortunately, NVDA seems to read things here all weird. As something that looks similar to how IOS likes to create named directories based on the names of the stuff you put in them, as you're moving around here, you'll come to these named sections and can press enter to rename them. As you're moving around here, you'll land on these sections, lets say, Audio and Music just as an example and can sometimes press down or wright and it will start reading you the pinned apps under that section. If you happen to only have one or two things here though, It's sometimes hard to get it to land where you want on the icon or whatever.

I've wondered if it's possible to turn off the structuring of the apps you pin here and just have them in a huge grid, but if so, I've not figured it out.
I'm also not sure if this is something that NVDA just hasn't caught up with and if there are things in the pipe down the road that will make it more friendly, but so far, it is kind of a pain to use. haha

If you play with it though and figure out anything else, I'd certainly be interested.
Take care.

On 8/20/2016 10:17 AM, Brandon Keith Biggs wrote:

Hello,

The reason why one uses the start menu is so you don't need to open apps to do things like your calendar, whether, news and stocks. you just arrow over those items and you hear what they are.

Thanks,

 

 

On Sat, Aug 20, 2016 at 5:40 AM, Louis Maher <ljmaher@...> wrote:

Hello Brandon,

 

I find it easier to place application shortcuts on the desktop.  This is a two-step process.  Hit the windows key, type in the application name, hit the context menu, find file location and enter on it, hit the context menu and go to the send-to menu.  Hit the desktop option.  Hit windows m to bring you to the desktop, type the first letter of the application, and you will land on it.  Note that on the desktop, once you find a and select  application, you can hit f2 and change the shortcut’s name.

 

 

 

Regards

Louis Maher

Phone: 713-444-7838

E-mail: ljmaher@...

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brandon Keith Biggs
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2016 7:04 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] dealing with Pins on the Windows 10 start

 

Hello,

Does anyone understand how pins work in Windows 10?

I removed all the junk in hopes that fewer items would make things clearer, but it didn't I pinned a couple things to the start and in order to get to them I need to hit right arrow once and down arrow all the way to the bottom when they should be just down.

Apparently there are folders but I can't understand how they work.

Any help would be great because I would like to start using the start menu.

Thanks,

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


Re: A better interface to working with chrome - opera

Arlene
 

That is still around? Opra? I heard about it in the old xp days!

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jacob Kruger
Sent: August-22-16 12:42 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] A better interface to working with chrome - opera

While had sort of forgotten about opera web browser since it didn't seem to work with screen readers a little while ago, realised that it nowadays seems to have implemented a sort of embedded form of chrome, which means that you can work perfectly well enough with it, along with NVDA.


And, the other advantage is that while it has a similar form of interface in terms of menu system to chrome, besides that, the interface is a lot cleaner/simpler, and, for example, shift+tab from address bar will in fact just take you to the web page contents.


Now, while haven't played around with all of it's settings as of yet, it does also, at the very least, make use of all the standard/same keystrokes as internet explorer, chrome, etc. - as in, keystrokes to open links in new popup windows, navigating back/forward through history, etc., and, it also seems to have a couple of nice, other tweaks, etc., like what it refers to as it's speed-dial, which lets you assign hotkeys to bring up specific websites, etc. etc.


Anyway, specifically what with it's cleaner form of an interface, but, still being based on chrome, I am pretty sure this will be my default browser - unless come across some specific problems...<smile>


And, lastly, FWIW, in the old sighted days, opera was also generally my browser of choice, simply since it was, even back then, basically a stripped down, cleaner interface, which is meant to be able to load webpages quicker, use less system resources, etc. etc.


Stay well


Jacob Kruger

Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."


Re: dealing with Pins on the Windows 10 start

Chris Mullins
 

I upgraded to 10 from 7 and my start menu is very similar to that I had on 7 without having to use classic shell.  I really liked 7 and was reluctant to change but I bit the bullet and was pleasantly surprised.

 

Cheers

Chris

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Arlene
Sent: 22 August 2016 19:47
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] dealing with Pins on the Windows 10 start

 

Thanks. Can I go download it to my 7 computer and put it to the external hard drive should I end up with ten?

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jacob Kruger
Sent: August-21-16 10:23 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] dealing with Pins on the Windows 10 start

 

http://www.classicshell.net/

 

Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."

On 2016-08-22 7:21 AM, Arlene wrote:

Hi, Where do you get classic shell? I’m asking this shell I end up getting windows ten.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Christo Vorster
Sent: August-21-16 10:15 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] dealing with Pins on the Windows 10 start

 

Hi

 

There is method in the madness of teaching Windows+M and Windows+d.

 

Windows+D maximize the desktop while Windows+M minimize it.

 

I have found that installing Classic Shell is a great help. This make Win10 look like win7.

 

By the way, Classic Shell is free.

 

Regards

 

Christo Vorster (Worcester South Africa)

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brandon Keith Biggs
Sent: Sunday, 21 August 2016 11:55 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] dealing with Pins on the Windows 10 start

 

Hello,

I think I figured it out.

The top row is folders and under that is a grid of everything in those folders. The problem is that grid is really strangely shaped and if you press an arrow key you may jump to another folder. Nice thing is it will announce the new folder, but that is also what makes it so confusing.

 

*Note* windows + d also takes you to the desktop like windows + m does, you only need to use one hand though. I've never understood why they teach windows + m when windows + d is easier to do and remember.

Thanks,


 

On Sat, Aug 20, 2016 at 10:10 PM, Jeremy <icu8it2@...> wrote:

Haha, a fun one! First, and apologies to those who may disagree, but it seems to me that currently, the Start menu on 10 with NVDA is slightly less than pleasant to use. :)
I've changed mine up now, I got tired of how crappy it was working for me so I took all the stuff out of the pinned apps area so it no longer shows up, but this is what I was able to figure out.

When you first press the start button and it lands you in the search box, you can press tab, either once or twice and it should take you to a vertical list containing a fairly large number of apps and some of their associated folders. As you arrow up and down here, NVDA will first read the section you come to, so A, B, etc and then under those, read you apps that fall under those sections. As you probably already know, it's here that you can press the applications key and pin said apps to the start menu.

As for the area where Apps actually get pinned, it looks like shift tab is what you want, so doing it from the search box should land you there. It's here that you should be able to use the arrow keys to move up, down, left and right in the grid, but unfortunately, NVDA seems to read things here all weird. As something that looks similar to how IOS likes to create named directories based on the names of the stuff you put in them, as you're moving around here, you'll come to these named sections and can press enter to rename them. As you're moving around here, you'll land on these sections, lets say, Audio and Music just as an example and can sometimes press down or wright and it will start reading you the pinned apps under that section. If you happen to only have one or two things here though, It's sometimes hard to get it to land where you want on the icon or whatever.

I've wondered if it's possible to turn off the structuring of the apps you pin here and just have them in a huge grid, but if so, I've not figured it out.
I'm also not sure if this is something that NVDA just hasn't caught up with and if there are things in the pipe down the road that will make it more friendly, but so far, it is kind of a pain to use. haha

If you play with it though and figure out anything else, I'd certainly be interested.
Take care.

On 8/20/2016 10:17 AM, Brandon Keith Biggs wrote:

Hello,

The reason why one uses the start menu is so you don't need to open apps to do things like your calendar, whether, news and stocks. you just arrow over those items and you hear what they are.

Thanks,

 

 

On Sat, Aug 20, 2016 at 5:40 AM, Louis Maher <ljmaher@...> wrote:

Hello Brandon,

 

I find it easier to place application shortcuts on the desktop.  This is a two-step process.  Hit the windows key, type in the application name, hit the context menu, find file location and enter on it, hit the context menu and go to the send-to menu.  Hit the desktop option.  Hit windows m to bring you to the desktop, type the first letter of the application, and you will land on it.  Note that on the desktop, once you find a and select  application, you can hit f2 and change the shortcut’s name.

 

 

 

Regards

Louis Maher

Phone: 713-444-7838

E-mail: ljmaher@...

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brandon Keith Biggs
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2016 7:04 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] dealing with Pins on the Windows 10 start

 

Hello,

Does anyone understand how pins work in Windows 10?

I removed all the junk in hopes that fewer items would make things clearer, but it didn't I pinned a couple things to the start and in order to get to them I need to hit right arrow once and down arrow all the way to the bottom when they should be just down.

Apparently there are folders but I can't understand how they work.

Any help would be great because I would like to start using the start menu.

Thanks,

 

 

 

 


Re: problem with the newest chrome

Zack Nichols
 

I'm a web developer working on supporting NVDA with Chrome at the moment, and I'm having a similar problem with the Kendo UI menu control found here: Kendo UI Menu Keyboard Navigation

It's not reading the menu items for me, while Firefox reads them (albeit with a bug or two). I posted this issue in the Chrome support forum: Google Product Forums


A better interface to working with chrome - opera

Jacob Kruger
 

While had sort of forgotten about opera web browser since it didn't seem to work with screen readers a little while ago, realised that it nowadays seems to have implemented a sort of embedded form of chrome, which means that you can work perfectly well enough with it, along with NVDA.


And, the other advantage is that while it has a similar form of interface in terms of menu system to chrome, besides that, the interface is a lot cleaner/simpler, and, for example, shift+tab from address bar will in fact just take you to the web page contents.


Now, while haven't played around with all of it's settings as of yet, it does also, at the very least, make use of all the standard/same keystrokes as internet explorer, chrome, etc. - as in, keystrokes to open links in new popup windows, navigating back/forward through history, etc., and, it also seems to have a couple of nice, other tweaks, etc., like what it refers to as it's speed-dial, which lets you assign hotkeys to bring up specific websites, etc. etc.


Anyway, specifically what with it's cleaner form of an interface, but, still being based on chrome, I am pretty sure this will be my default browser - unless come across some specific problems...<smile>


And, lastly, FWIW, in the old sighted days, opera was also generally my browser of choice, simply since it was, even back then, basically a stripped down, cleaner interface, which is meant to be able to load webpages quicker, use less system resources, etc. etc.


Stay well


Jacob Kruger

Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."


Re: dealing with Pins on the Windows 10 start

Jacob Kruger
 

Yes.


Like said, it's a standard install package, and doesn't install automatically from that site, so, yes, you can.


Stay well


Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."
On 2016-08-22 9:27 PM, Arlene wrote:

That’s what I want to do is download it to the external. Then when I get a windows ten computer then I’ll instal it then. Can I do that?

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jacob Kruger
Sent: August-22-16 12:25 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] dealing with Pins on the Windows 10 start

 

Well, you can copy the install package onto your external, but, think you'd need to install it on both systems separately...<smile>

 

Stay well

 

Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."

On 2016-08-22 9:16 PM, Arlene wrote:

Okay! Well done. Then I can put it onto my external?

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jacob Kruger
Sent: August-22-16 12:14 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] dealing with Pins on the Windows 10 start

 

Yes - you download a standard install package from that site.

 

Stay well

 

Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."

On 2016-08-22 8:47 PM, Arlene wrote:

Thanks. Can I go download it to my 7 computer and put it to the external hard drive should I end up with ten?

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jacob Kruger
Sent: August-21-16 10:23 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] dealing with Pins on the Windows 10 start

 

http://www.classicshell.net/

 

Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."

On 2016-08-22 7:21 AM, Arlene wrote:

Hi, Where do you get classic shell? I’m asking this shell I end up getting windows ten.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Christo Vorster
Sent: August-21-16 10:15 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] dealing with Pins on the Windows 10 start

 

Hi

 

There is method in the madness of teaching Windows+M and Windows+d.

 

Windows+D maximize the desktop while Windows+M minimize it.

 

I have found that installing Classic Shell is a great help. This make Win10 look like win7.

 

By the way, Classic Shell is free.

 

Regards

 

Christo Vorster (Worcester South Africa)

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brandon Keith Biggs
Sent: Sunday, 21 August 2016 11:55 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] dealing with Pins on the Windows 10 start

 

Hello,

I think I figured it out.

The top row is folders and under that is a grid of everything in those folders. The problem is that grid is really strangely shaped and if you press an arrow key you may jump to another folder. Nice thing is it will announce the new folder, but that is also what makes it so confusing.

 

*Note* windows + d also takes you to the desktop like windows + m does, you only need to use one hand though. I've never understood why they teach windows + m when windows + d is easier to do and remember.

Thanks,


 

On Sat, Aug 20, 2016 at 10:10 PM, Jeremy <icu8it2@...> wrote:

Haha, a fun one! First, and apologies to those who may disagree, but it seems to me that currently, the Start menu on 10 with NVDA is slightly less than pleasant to use. :)
I've changed mine up now, I got tired of how crappy it was working for me so I took all the stuff out of the pinned apps area so it no longer shows up, but this is what I was able to figure out.

When you first press the start button and it lands you in the search box, you can press tab, either once or twice and it should take you to a vertical list containing a fairly large number of apps and some of their associated folders. As you arrow up and down here, NVDA will first read the section you come to, so A, B, etc and then under those, read you apps that fall under those sections. As you probably already know, it's here that you can press the applications key and pin said apps to the start menu.

As for the area where Apps actually get pinned, it looks like shift tab is what you want, so doing it from the search box should land you there. It's here that you should be able to use the arrow keys to move up, down, left and right in the grid, but unfortunately, NVDA seems to read things here all weird. As something that looks similar to how IOS likes to create named directories based on the names of the stuff you put in them, as you're moving around here, you'll come to these named sections and can press enter to rename them. As you're moving around here, you'll land on these sections, lets say, Audio and Music just as an example and can sometimes press down or wright and it will start reading you the pinned apps under that section. If you happen to only have one or two things here though, It's sometimes hard to get it to land where you want on the icon or whatever.

I've wondered if it's possible to turn off the structuring of the apps you pin here and just have them in a huge grid, but if so, I've not figured it out.
I'm also not sure if this is something that NVDA just hasn't caught up with and if there are things in the pipe down the road that will make it more friendly, but so far, it is kind of a pain to use. haha

If you play with it though and figure out anything else, I'd certainly be interested.
Take care.

On 8/20/2016 10:17 AM, Brandon Keith Biggs wrote:

Hello,

The reason why one uses the start menu is so you don't need to open apps to do things like your calendar, whether, news and stocks. you just arrow over those items and you hear what they are.

Thanks,

 

 

On Sat, Aug 20, 2016 at 5:40 AM, Louis Maher <ljmaher@...> wrote:

Hello Brandon,

 

I find it easier to place application shortcuts on the desktop.  This is a two-step process.  Hit the windows key, type in the application name, hit the context menu, find file location and enter on it, hit the context menu and go to the send-to menu.  Hit the desktop option.  Hit windows m to bring you to the desktop, type the first letter of the application, and you will land on it.  Note that on the desktop, once you find a and select  application, you can hit f2 and change the shortcut’s name.

 

 

 

Regards

Louis Maher

Phone: 713-444-7838

E-mail: ljmaher@...

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brandon Keith Biggs
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2016 7:04 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] dealing with Pins on the Windows 10 start

 

Hello,

Does anyone understand how pins work in Windows 10?

I removed all the junk in hopes that fewer items would make things clearer, but it didn't I pinned a couple things to the start and in order to get to them I need to hit right arrow once and down arrow all the way to the bottom when they should be just down.

Apparently there are folders but I can't understand how they work.

Any help would be great because I would like to start using the start menu.

Thanks,

 

 

 

 

 

 



Re: dealing with Pins on the Windows 10 start

Arlene
 

That’s what I want to do is download it to the external. Then when I get a windows ten computer then I’ll instal it then. Can I do that?

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jacob Kruger
Sent: August-22-16 12:25 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] dealing with Pins on the Windows 10 start

 

Well, you can copy the install package onto your external, but, think you'd need to install it on both systems separately...<smile>

 

Stay well

 

Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."

On 2016-08-22 9:16 PM, Arlene wrote:

Okay! Well done. Then I can put it onto my external?

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jacob Kruger
Sent: August-22-16 12:14 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] dealing with Pins on the Windows 10 start

 

Yes - you download a standard install package from that site.

 

Stay well

 

Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."

On 2016-08-22 8:47 PM, Arlene wrote:

Thanks. Can I go download it to my 7 computer and put it to the external hard drive should I end up with ten?

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jacob Kruger
Sent: August-21-16 10:23 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] dealing with Pins on the Windows 10 start

 

http://www.classicshell.net/

 

Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."

On 2016-08-22 7:21 AM, Arlene wrote:

Hi, Where do you get classic shell? I’m asking this shell I end up getting windows ten.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Christo Vorster
Sent: August-21-16 10:15 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] dealing with Pins on the Windows 10 start

 

Hi

 

There is method in the madness of teaching Windows+M and Windows+d.

 

Windows+D maximize the desktop while Windows+M minimize it.

 

I have found that installing Classic Shell is a great help. This make Win10 look like win7.

 

By the way, Classic Shell is free.

 

Regards

 

Christo Vorster (Worcester South Africa)

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brandon Keith Biggs
Sent: Sunday, 21 August 2016 11:55 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] dealing with Pins on the Windows 10 start

 

Hello,

I think I figured it out.

The top row is folders and under that is a grid of everything in those folders. The problem is that grid is really strangely shaped and if you press an arrow key you may jump to another folder. Nice thing is it will announce the new folder, but that is also what makes it so confusing.

 

*Note* windows + d also takes you to the desktop like windows + m does, you only need to use one hand though. I've never understood why they teach windows + m when windows + d is easier to do and remember.

Thanks,


 

On Sat, Aug 20, 2016 at 10:10 PM, Jeremy <icu8it2@...> wrote:

Haha, a fun one! First, and apologies to those who may disagree, but it seems to me that currently, the Start menu on 10 with NVDA is slightly less than pleasant to use. :)
I've changed mine up now, I got tired of how crappy it was working for me so I took all the stuff out of the pinned apps area so it no longer shows up, but this is what I was able to figure out.

When you first press the start button and it lands you in the search box, you can press tab, either once or twice and it should take you to a vertical list containing a fairly large number of apps and some of their associated folders. As you arrow up and down here, NVDA will first read the section you come to, so A, B, etc and then under those, read you apps that fall under those sections. As you probably already know, it's here that you can press the applications key and pin said apps to the start menu.

As for the area where Apps actually get pinned, it looks like shift tab is what you want, so doing it from the search box should land you there. It's here that you should be able to use the arrow keys to move up, down, left and right in the grid, but unfortunately, NVDA seems to read things here all weird. As something that looks similar to how IOS likes to create named directories based on the names of the stuff you put in them, as you're moving around here, you'll come to these named sections and can press enter to rename them. As you're moving around here, you'll land on these sections, lets say, Audio and Music just as an example and can sometimes press down or wright and it will start reading you the pinned apps under that section. If you happen to only have one or two things here though, It's sometimes hard to get it to land where you want on the icon or whatever.

I've wondered if it's possible to turn off the structuring of the apps you pin here and just have them in a huge grid, but if so, I've not figured it out.
I'm also not sure if this is something that NVDA just hasn't caught up with and if there are things in the pipe down the road that will make it more friendly, but so far, it is kind of a pain to use. haha

If you play with it though and figure out anything else, I'd certainly be interested.
Take care.

On 8/20/2016 10:17 AM, Brandon Keith Biggs wrote:

Hello,

The reason why one uses the start menu is so you don't need to open apps to do things like your calendar, whether, news and stocks. you just arrow over those items and you hear what they are.

Thanks,

 

 

On Sat, Aug 20, 2016 at 5:40 AM, Louis Maher <ljmaher@...> wrote:

Hello Brandon,

 

I find it easier to place application shortcuts on the desktop.  This is a two-step process.  Hit the windows key, type in the application name, hit the context menu, find file location and enter on it, hit the context menu and go to the send-to menu.  Hit the desktop option.  Hit windows m to bring you to the desktop, type the first letter of the application, and you will land on it.  Note that on the desktop, once you find a and select  application, you can hit f2 and change the shortcut’s name.

 

 

 

Regards

Louis Maher

Phone: 713-444-7838

E-mail: ljmaher@...

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brandon Keith Biggs
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2016 7:04 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] dealing with Pins on the Windows 10 start

 

Hello,

Does anyone understand how pins work in Windows 10?

I removed all the junk in hopes that fewer items would make things clearer, but it didn't I pinned a couple things to the start and in order to get to them I need to hit right arrow once and down arrow all the way to the bottom when they should be just down.

Apparently there are folders but I can't understand how they work.

Any help would be great because I would like to start using the start menu.

Thanks,

 

 

 

 

 

 


Re: dealing with Pins on the Windows 10 start

Jacob Kruger
 

Well, you can copy the install package onto your external, but, think you'd need to install it on both systems separately...<smile>


Stay well


Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."
On 2016-08-22 9:16 PM, Arlene wrote:

Okay! Well done. Then I can put it onto my external?

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jacob Kruger
Sent: August-22-16 12:14 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] dealing with Pins on the Windows 10 start

 

Yes - you download a standard install package from that site.

 

Stay well

 

Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."

On 2016-08-22 8:47 PM, Arlene wrote:

Thanks. Can I go download it to my 7 computer and put it to the external hard drive should I end up with ten?

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jacob Kruger
Sent: August-21-16 10:23 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] dealing with Pins on the Windows 10 start

 

http://www.classicshell.net/

 

Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."

On 2016-08-22 7:21 AM, Arlene wrote:

Hi, Where do you get classic shell? I’m asking this shell I end up getting windows ten.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Christo Vorster
Sent: August-21-16 10:15 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] dealing with Pins on the Windows 10 start

 

Hi

 

There is method in the madness of teaching Windows+M and Windows+d.

 

Windows+D maximize the desktop while Windows+M minimize it.

 

I have found that installing Classic Shell is a great help. This make Win10 look like win7.

 

By the way, Classic Shell is free.

 

Regards

 

Christo Vorster (Worcester South Africa)

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brandon Keith Biggs
Sent: Sunday, 21 August 2016 11:55 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] dealing with Pins on the Windows 10 start

 

Hello,

I think I figured it out.

The top row is folders and under that is a grid of everything in those folders. The problem is that grid is really strangely shaped and if you press an arrow key you may jump to another folder. Nice thing is it will announce the new folder, but that is also what makes it so confusing.

 

*Note* windows + d also takes you to the desktop like windows + m does, you only need to use one hand though. I've never understood why they teach windows + m when windows + d is easier to do and remember.

Thanks,


 

On Sat, Aug 20, 2016 at 10:10 PM, Jeremy <icu8it2@...> wrote:

Haha, a fun one! First, and apologies to those who may disagree, but it seems to me that currently, the Start menu on 10 with NVDA is slightly less than pleasant to use. :)
I've changed mine up now, I got tired of how crappy it was working for me so I took all the stuff out of the pinned apps area so it no longer shows up, but this is what I was able to figure out.

When you first press the start button and it lands you in the search box, you can press tab, either once or twice and it should take you to a vertical list containing a fairly large number of apps and some of their associated folders. As you arrow up and down here, NVDA will first read the section you come to, so A, B, etc and then under those, read you apps that fall under those sections. As you probably already know, it's here that you can press the applications key and pin said apps to the start menu.

As for the area where Apps actually get pinned, it looks like shift tab is what you want, so doing it from the search box should land you there. It's here that you should be able to use the arrow keys to move up, down, left and right in the grid, but unfortunately, NVDA seems to read things here all weird. As something that looks similar to how IOS likes to create named directories based on the names of the stuff you put in them, as you're moving around here, you'll come to these named sections and can press enter to rename them. As you're moving around here, you'll land on these sections, lets say, Audio and Music just as an example and can sometimes press down or wright and it will start reading you the pinned apps under that section. If you happen to only have one or two things here though, It's sometimes hard to get it to land where you want on the icon or whatever.

I've wondered if it's possible to turn off the structuring of the apps you pin here and just have them in a huge grid, but if so, I've not figured it out.
I'm also not sure if this is something that NVDA just hasn't caught up with and if there are things in the pipe down the road that will make it more friendly, but so far, it is kind of a pain to use. haha

If you play with it though and figure out anything else, I'd certainly be interested.
Take care.

On 8/20/2016 10:17 AM, Brandon Keith Biggs wrote:

Hello,

The reason why one uses the start menu is so you don't need to open apps to do things like your calendar, whether, news and stocks. you just arrow over those items and you hear what they are.

Thanks,

 

 

On Sat, Aug 20, 2016 at 5:40 AM, Louis Maher <ljmaher@...> wrote:

Hello Brandon,

 

I find it easier to place application shortcuts on the desktop.  This is a two-step process.  Hit the windows key, type in the application name, hit the context menu, find file location and enter on it, hit the context menu and go to the send-to menu.  Hit the desktop option.  Hit windows m to bring you to the desktop, type the first letter of the application, and you will land on it.  Note that on the desktop, once you find a and select  application, you can hit f2 and change the shortcut’s name.

 

 

 

Regards

Louis Maher

Phone: 713-444-7838

E-mail: ljmaher@...

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brandon Keith Biggs
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2016 7:04 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] dealing with Pins on the Windows 10 start

 

Hello,

Does anyone understand how pins work in Windows 10?

I removed all the junk in hopes that fewer items would make things clearer, but it didn't I pinned a couple things to the start and in order to get to them I need to hit right arrow once and down arrow all the way to the bottom when they should be just down.

Apparently there are folders but I can't understand how they work.

Any help would be great because I would like to start using the start menu.

Thanks,

 

 

 

 

 



Re: dealing with Pins on the Windows 10 start

Arlene
 

Okay! Well done. Then I can put it onto my external?

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jacob Kruger
Sent: August-22-16 12:14 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] dealing with Pins on the Windows 10 start

 

Yes - you download a standard install package from that site.

 

Stay well

 

Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."

On 2016-08-22 8:47 PM, Arlene wrote:

Thanks. Can I go download it to my 7 computer and put it to the external hard drive should I end up with ten?

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jacob Kruger
Sent: August-21-16 10:23 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] dealing with Pins on the Windows 10 start

 

http://www.classicshell.net/

 

Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."

On 2016-08-22 7:21 AM, Arlene wrote:

Hi, Where do you get classic shell? I’m asking this shell I end up getting windows ten.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Christo Vorster
Sent: August-21-16 10:15 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] dealing with Pins on the Windows 10 start

 

Hi

 

There is method in the madness of teaching Windows+M and Windows+d.

 

Windows+D maximize the desktop while Windows+M minimize it.

 

I have found that installing Classic Shell is a great help. This make Win10 look like win7.

 

By the way, Classic Shell is free.

 

Regards

 

Christo Vorster (Worcester South Africa)

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brandon Keith Biggs
Sent: Sunday, 21 August 2016 11:55 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] dealing with Pins on the Windows 10 start

 

Hello,

I think I figured it out.

The top row is folders and under that is a grid of everything in those folders. The problem is that grid is really strangely shaped and if you press an arrow key you may jump to another folder. Nice thing is it will announce the new folder, but that is also what makes it so confusing.

 

*Note* windows + d also takes you to the desktop like windows + m does, you only need to use one hand though. I've never understood why they teach windows + m when windows + d is easier to do and remember.

Thanks,


 

On Sat, Aug 20, 2016 at 10:10 PM, Jeremy <icu8it2@...> wrote:

Haha, a fun one! First, and apologies to those who may disagree, but it seems to me that currently, the Start menu on 10 with NVDA is slightly less than pleasant to use. :)
I've changed mine up now, I got tired of how crappy it was working for me so I took all the stuff out of the pinned apps area so it no longer shows up, but this is what I was able to figure out.

When you first press the start button and it lands you in the search box, you can press tab, either once or twice and it should take you to a vertical list containing a fairly large number of apps and some of their associated folders. As you arrow up and down here, NVDA will first read the section you come to, so A, B, etc and then under those, read you apps that fall under those sections. As you probably already know, it's here that you can press the applications key and pin said apps to the start menu.

As for the area where Apps actually get pinned, it looks like shift tab is what you want, so doing it from the search box should land you there. It's here that you should be able to use the arrow keys to move up, down, left and right in the grid, but unfortunately, NVDA seems to read things here all weird. As something that looks similar to how IOS likes to create named directories based on the names of the stuff you put in them, as you're moving around here, you'll come to these named sections and can press enter to rename them. As you're moving around here, you'll land on these sections, lets say, Audio and Music just as an example and can sometimes press down or wright and it will start reading you the pinned apps under that section. If you happen to only have one or two things here though, It's sometimes hard to get it to land where you want on the icon or whatever.

I've wondered if it's possible to turn off the structuring of the apps you pin here and just have them in a huge grid, but if so, I've not figured it out.
I'm also not sure if this is something that NVDA just hasn't caught up with and if there are things in the pipe down the road that will make it more friendly, but so far, it is kind of a pain to use. haha

If you play with it though and figure out anything else, I'd certainly be interested.
Take care.

On 8/20/2016 10:17 AM, Brandon Keith Biggs wrote:

Hello,

The reason why one uses the start menu is so you don't need to open apps to do things like your calendar, whether, news and stocks. you just arrow over those items and you hear what they are.

Thanks,

 

 

On Sat, Aug 20, 2016 at 5:40 AM, Louis Maher <ljmaher@...> wrote:

Hello Brandon,

 

I find it easier to place application shortcuts on the desktop.  This is a two-step process.  Hit the windows key, type in the application name, hit the context menu, find file location and enter on it, hit the context menu and go to the send-to menu.  Hit the desktop option.  Hit windows m to bring you to the desktop, type the first letter of the application, and you will land on it.  Note that on the desktop, once you find a and select  application, you can hit f2 and change the shortcut’s name.

 

 

 

Regards

Louis Maher

Phone: 713-444-7838

E-mail: ljmaher@...

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brandon Keith Biggs
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2016 7:04 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] dealing with Pins on the Windows 10 start

 

Hello,

Does anyone understand how pins work in Windows 10?

I removed all the junk in hopes that fewer items would make things clearer, but it didn't I pinned a couple things to the start and in order to get to them I need to hit right arrow once and down arrow all the way to the bottom when they should be just down.

Apparently there are folders but I can't understand how they work.

Any help would be great because I would like to start using the start menu.

Thanks,