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Announcement: NVDA 2020.2 and Joseph Lee's add-ons
Hello everyone, Although I do encourage feedback about my add-ons on this list, if you have concerns you think should be brought up to me directly, please message me privately (this also includes sending logs that has to do with errors with my add-ons).
On behalf of many code contributors outside of NV Access, I would like to welcome you to NVDA 2020.2 era. The biggest highlight from this release is improved productivity – Windows Terminal support, more responsive Windows OneCore synthesizer, and much more. As always, feedback about NVDA 2020.2 is appreciated, and developers are working hard to bring improved user experience and other changes in NVDA 2020.3.
A few things to note regarding Joseph Lee’s add-ons now that NVDA 2020.2 stable version came out yesterday:
I’m giving you an early heads up so you won’t be caught off-guard and prepare accordingly. I’ll provide details on add-on releases when they show up, starting with StationPlaylist 20.08 next week. Cheers, Joseph
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Re: No exit sound on NVDA 2020.2 when I shut down my computer
Luke's suggestions are excellent. Remember, too, that an upgrade to NVDA involves an uninstall of the existing NVDA and install of the new one, so even that can change the position of NVDA in the shutdown process.
In addition to Luke's recommendations, if you (any you who's reading) do not have the Add-On Updater add-on installed, I'd suggest doing so. It is now configured such that it will detect when obsolete add-ons, such as Focus Highlight or Screen Curtain, are no longer needed when that functionality has been pulled into the NVDA core, and will remove them. And as to searching the archives, which is always a good idea if you suspect something has been discussed in the past, here are step-by-step instructions for downloading: Searching the NVDA Group Archive -- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363 Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its platform. Now, you simply declare your own truth. ~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine Sentiment Took Hold in the United States, September 23, 2019
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Re: No exit sound on NVDA 2020.2 when I shut down my computer
Luke Davis
Before trying anything else, try these two things:
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1. Quit NVDA (NVDA+Q, then exit), without shutting down your machine. Does the exit sound play in that context? If it does, then the suggestions about windows messing with the shutdown priority could be your issue. If it doesn't, as I suspect, then you have a much more likely issue: 2. Try restarting with add-ons disabled. You can usually do that from the NVDA+Q exit menu, although if you have that turned off, you will need to turn it back on (show exit options) in NVDA's general settings (NVDA+Ctrl+G). Once you have restarted with no add-ons, try shutting down or just exiting NVDA. If you get the sound then, your problem is an add-on. As I recall, there was a topic here a few weeks ago in which someone (David Goldfield?) had the same problem, and it turned out to be an add-on causing it, although I can't recall which. Search the list archives for that. Luke
On Wed, 29 Jul 2020, brian wrote:
I have my nvda set to play start and exit sounds checked. When I turn my computer on I do hear the start up nvda sound but when I shut down my computer I don't hear any exit sound. I have no way to know if my computer is shut down or not. I have only had this problem with nvda 2020.2
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Re: No exit sound on NVDA 2020.2 when I shut down my computer
Brian Sackrider
No I have not. Brian Sackrider
On 7/29/2020 12:28 PM, Brian Vogel
wrote:
Have you, by any chance, installed any software between the time you installed NVDA 2020.1 and upgraded to 2020.2.
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Re: No exit sound on NVDA 2020.2 when I shut down my computer
On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 12:34 PM, CARLOS-ESTEBAN wrote:
Is probably that the cause is that Windows stop the process of audio before of NVDA play exit.wav.- We're both on the same page here. And based on my long experience with Windows (all versions) and the shutdown process this is by far and away the most likely reason. -- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363 Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its platform. Now, you simply declare your own truth. ~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine Sentiment Took Hold in the United States, September 23, 2019
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Re: Musescore and his accessibility with NVDA
CARLOS-ESTEBAN <carlosestebanpianista@...>
Hello. Well, Sivelius is accessible and also you can use Braille Music Editor with an addon for NVDA (if you write in Braille). Regards. Carlos Esteban Martínez Macías. Músico (pianista) y también ayuda a usuarios con discapacidad visual en el uso de lectores de pantalla y tecnología. Experto certificado en el lector de pantalla NVDA. Musicien (pianist) and also help to users with a visual disability in the use of screen readers and technology. Certified expert in screen reader NVDA.
El mié., 29 de jul. de 2020 a la(s) 00:12, Marco Oros (marco.oros93@...) escribió: Thank You.
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Re: No exit sound on NVDA 2020.2 when I shut down my computer
CARLOS-ESTEBAN <carlosestebanpianista@...>
Hello. Is probably that the cause is that Windows stop the process of audio before of NVDA play exit.wav. Carlos Esteban Martínez Macías. Músico (pianista) y también ayuda a usuarios con discapacidad visual en el uso de lectores de pantalla y tecnología. Experto certificado en el lector de pantalla NVDA. Musicien (pianist) and also help to users with a visual disability in the use of screen readers and technology. Certified expert in screen reader NVDA.
El mié., 29 de jul. de 2020 a la(s) 11:32, Chris via groups.io (chrismedley=btinternet.com@groups.io) escribió:
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Re: No exit sound on NVDA 2020.2 when I shut down my computer
Chris
Maybe the soundfile for exit is either missing or corrupt?
Check in program files (x86)\NVA\waves\exit.wav
From: brian
Sent: 29 July 2020 17:25 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: [nvda] No exit sound on NVDA 2020.2 when I shut down my computer
I have my nvda set to play start and exit sounds checked. When I turn my computer on I do hear the start up nvda sound but when I shut down my computer I don't hear any exit sound. I have no way to know if my computer is shut down or not. I have only had this problem with nvda 2020.2
Brian Sackrider
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Re: Problems using NVDA 2020.2 With a Freedom Scientific Focus 40 Fifth Generation Braille Display
Hi,
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Does your friend remember the last NVDA version where rocker buttons worked? Cheers, Joseph
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Governor staten Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2020 9:09 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: [nvda] Problems using NVDA 2020.2 With a Freedom Scientific Focus 40 Fifth Generation Braille Display This is on behalf of a friend who called me. He is doing a demo with NVDA and this Braille display, the Focus 40 Fifth Generation from Freedom Scientific. He is using the above Braille display and cannot get the rocker buttons to do what they should be assigned to do. He is using NVDA 2020.2. We reset NVDA back to factory defaults. He downloaded and installed the drivers he was asked to install. Could anyone help me troubleshoot this issue with my friend? A further note: This issue with the rocker switches also occurs with the Focus 40 Fourth Generation as well. His version of Windows should be up to date. He does demos and such frequently. Any help with this is appreciated.
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Re: No exit sound on NVDA 2020.2 when I shut down my computer
Have you, by any chance, installed any software between the time you installed NVDA 2020.1 and upgraded to 2020.2.
The playing of sounds during the shutdown process is entirely dependent on whether Windows has already shut down sound itself before another given process is terminated. It can, and often does, happen that as additional software gets added something that used to be in position X in the shutdown sequence, which was before sound was terminated, gets bumped to position Y, after it has been terminated. -- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363 Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its platform. Now, you simply declare your own truth. ~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine Sentiment Took Hold in the United States, September 23, 2019
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No exit sound on NVDA 2020.2 when I shut down my computer
Brian Sackrider
I have my nvda set to play start and exit sounds checked. When I turn my computer on I do hear the start up nvda sound but when I shut down my computer I don't hear any exit sound. I have no way to know if my computer is shut down or not. I have only had this problem with nvda 2020.2
Brian Sackrider
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Problems using NVDA 2020.2 With a Freedom Scientific Focus 40 Fifth Generation Braille Display
This is on behalf of a friend who called me. He is doing a demo with NVDA and this Braille display, the Focus 40 Fifth Generation from Freedom Scientific. He is using the above Braille display and cannot get the rocker buttons to do what they should be assigned to do. He is using NVDA 2020.2. We reset NVDA back to factory defaults. He downloaded and installed the drivers he was asked to install. Could anyone help me troubleshoot this issue with my friend?
A further note: This issue with the rocker switches also occurs with the Focus 40 Fourth Generation as well. His version of Windows should be up to date. He does demos and such frequently. Any help with this is appreciated.
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Re: Two problems with NVDA 2020.2
Tyler Spivey
Both of these are a problem with your synthesizer. NVDA relies on
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indexing a lot more than it used to, and I'm guessing your synth can't do it well enough.
On 7/29/2020 2:41 AM, Gloomy_Apple wrote:
Hello all!
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Re: Outlook 2016 - Cannot Open Certain Messages When NVDA is Active
Hi all, Regarding logs, a log at the info level won’t give developers the detailed picture we need. For some issues, an info log would suffice, but for many issues, we (developers) need a debug log (and please do send them privately as it will contain things you type on your keyboard and braille display). Cheers, Joseph
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2020 7:44 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Outlook 2016 - Cannot Open Certain Messages When NVDA is Active
This message has been retitled so that the exact nature of the problem is front and center. I have also quoted the problem description again, as it was buried after the log content posted.
Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363 Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its platform. Now, you simply declare your own truth. ~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine Sentiment Took Hold in the United States, September 23, 2019
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Re: Two problems with NVDA 2020.2
hello.
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for your second question, i wish that i can help you. nvda 2020.1 has an useful feature that i believe that it can helps many users! Changes • NVDA will prevent the system from locking or going to sleep when in say all. https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/10643 if it does not work for you and nvda still has not SayAll for large files, then in the search of your windows, just type screen saver and turn it off. screen saver prevents nvda from reading large documents when it becomes activated.
On 7/29/20, Gloomy_Apple <jackie.ysbiwr@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello all! --
By God, were I given all the seven heavens with all they contain in order that I may disobey God by depriving an ant from the husk of a grain of barley, I would not do it. imam ali
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Re: Outlook 2016 - Cannot Open Certain Messages When NVDA is Active
This message has been retitled so that the exact nature of the problem is front and center. I have also quoted the problem description again, as it was buried after the log content posted.
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Please refrain from posting logs on the group. If an assistant needs one, they will ask for it to be sent directly to them.
On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 05:21 AM, Christo Vorster wrote:
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363 Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its platform. Now, you simply declare your own truth. ~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine Sentiment Took Hold in the United States, September 23, 2019
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Two problems with NVDA 2020.2
Gloomy_Apple
Hello all!
I have just finally moved on from the NVDA 2019.2 version and updated to the newest one. However now I'm having two problems with it. I'm pretty sure that the first one has been already mentioned in the group though in regard to a different version, but can't find the topic for the life of me so apologies if this is repetitive. 1: I have the "Speak Typed Characters" option on most of the time, and now after the update, when I'm on the desktop and navigating to a specific icon by its first letter, NVDA will only say the letter but not the name of the icon afterwards. I've heard that this was a problem in the 2019.3 version with older speech synths however I'm using Acapela (for Sapi5, not for NVDA) so was quite surprised to see this problem. I turned the Speak Typed Characters option off for now but if this is something I can fix myself, I'd really appreciate any advice. 2: When using the NVDA+Down Arrow to read continuously, NVDA will stop after a while. I assume that it stops when reaching the end of a paragraph, or before a heading. Are these just some bugs in this version that will be removed later or is it something that I can get back to working properly as someone who's not extremely techy? Do you guys have any suggestions how to deal with this. Best wishes.
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ALLOW APP THROUGH CONTROLLED FOLDER ACCESS DOESN'T READ
heaven.lists92@...
Dear List
My husband and I both have laptops with Windows 10 2004 and NVDA 2020-2.
Since we updated Windows, NVDA doesn't read the list of blocked apps in Controlled Folder Access.
Does anyone know what to do about this, please?
Kind regards
Heaven
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Re: Any hint to read YouTube (and perhaps other) subtitles?
james mullish <jamesseller1998@...>
From: CARLOS-ESTEBAN
Sent: Monday, July 27, 2020 11:40 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] any hint to read youtub's subtitles?
Hello. The solution is the add-on Lion. First, go to the video. Maximise the Window and press f11 for the complete screen. So, press NVDA+alt+L with the addon Lion installed and go to read the subtitles, but the add-on no repeat sentences. Regards.
Carlos Esteban Martínez Macías. Músico (pianista) y también ayuda a usuarios con discapacidad visual en el uso de lectores de pantalla y tecnología. Experto certificado en el lector de pantalla NVDA.
Musicien (pianist) and also help to users with a visual disability in the use of screen readers and technology. Certified expert in screen reader NVDA.
El dom., 26 de jul. de 2020 a la(s) 16:44, Alexandre Alves Toco (alexandretoco@...) escribió:
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Outlook 2016 - Cannot Open Certain Messages When NVDA is Active
GAood Morning list I have a problem opening certain emails in Outlook 2016.
If NVDA is turned off, the specific mails can be opened.
I copied the View Log after I experienced the problem.
Would it help if I uninstall, and then re-install NVDA?
Please help!! Regards
Christo Vorster (Worcester, south Africa)
This is the copy of the log:
INFO - __main__ (10:54:35.500) - MainThread (9268): Starting NVDA version 2020.1 INFO - core.main (10:54:36.897) - MainThread (9268): Config dir: C:\Users\Christo Vorster\AppData\Roaming\nvda INFO - config.ConfigManager._loadConfig (10:54:36.897) - MainThread (9268): Loading config: C:\Users\Christo Vorster\AppData\Roaming\nvda\nvda.ini INFO - core.main (10:54:40.442) - MainThread (9268): Using Windows version 10.0.19041 workstation INFO - core.main (10:54:40.442) - MainThread (9268): Using Python version 3.7.7 (tags/v3.7.7:d7c567b08f, Mar 10 2020, 09:44:33) [MSC v.1900 32 bit (Intel)] INFO - core.main (10:54:40.442) - MainThread (9268): Using comtypes version 1.1.7 INFO - core.main (10:54:40.442) - MainThread (9268): Using configobj version 5.1.0 with validate version 1.0.1 INFO - synthDriverHandler.setSynth (10:54:48.280) - MainThread (9268): Loaded synthDriver ibmeci INFO - core.main (10:54:49.218) - MainThread (9268): Using wx version 4.0.3 msw (phoenix) wxWidgets 3.0.5 with six version 1.12.0 INFO - brailleInput.initialize (10:54:49.220) - MainThread (9268): Braille input initialized INFO - braille.initialize (10:54:49.228) - MainThread (9268): Using liblouis version 3.12.0 INFO - braille.initialize (10:54:49.241) - MainThread (9268): Using pySerial version 3.4 INFO - braille.BrailleHandler.setDisplayByName (10:54:51.145) - MainThread (9268): Loaded braille display driver noBraille, current display has 0 cells. INFO - core.main (10:54:53.007) - MainThread (9268): Java Access Bridge support initialized INFO - _UIAHandler.UIAHandler.MTAThreadFunc (10:54:53.272) - _UIAHandler.UIAHandler.MTAThread (7440): UIAutomation: IUIAutomation6 INFO - core.main (10:55:00.063) - MainThread (9268): NVDA initialized ERROR - eventHandler.executeEvent (11:07:11.977) - MainThread (9268): error executing event: gainFocus on <appModules.outlook.UIAGridRow object at 0x079A43B0> with extra args of {} Traceback (most recent call last): File "eventHandler.pyc", line 155, in executeEvent File "eventHandler.pyc", line 92, in __init__ File "eventHandler.pyc", line 100, in next File "NVDAObjects\__init__.pyc", line 1102, in event_gainFocus File "NVDAObjects\behaviors.pyc", line 611, in reportFocus File "NVDAObjects\__init__.pyc", line 988, in reportFocus File "speech\__init__.pyc", line 469, in speakObject File "speech\__init__.pyc", line 506, in getObjectSpeech File "speech\__init__.pyc", line 377, in getObjectPropertiesSpeech File "baseObject.pyc", line 42, in __get__ File "baseObject.pyc", line 145, in _getPropertyViaCache File "appModules\outlook.pyc", line 445, in _get_name File "comtypesMonkeyPatches.pyc", line 26, in __call__ _ctypes.COMError: (-2146233083, None, (None, None, None, 0, None)) ERROR - eventHandler.executeEvent (11:07:46.564) - MainThread (9268): error executing event: gainFocus on <appModules.outlook.OutlookWordDocument object at 0x0708E250> with extra args of {} Traceback (most recent call last): File "speech\__init__.pyc", line 512, in getObjectSpeech File "documentBase.pyc", line 24, in makeTextInfo File "NVDAObjects\window\winword.pyc", line 673, in __init__ AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'range'
During handling of the above exception, another exception occurred:
Traceback (most recent call last): File "eventHandler.pyc", line 155, in executeEvent File "eventHandler.pyc", line 92, in __init__ File "eventHandler.pyc", line 100, in next File "NVDAObjects\__init__.pyc", line 1102, in event_gainFocus File "NVDAObjects\__init__.pyc", line 988, in reportFocus File "speech\__init__.pyc", line 469, in speakObject File "speech\__init__.pyc", line 527, in getObjectSpeech File "documentBase.pyc", line 24, in makeTextInfo File "NVDAObjects\window\winword.pyc", line 678, in __init__ AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'range' ERROR - eventHandler.executeEvent (11:07:46.574) - MainThread (9268): error executing event: caret on <appModules.outlook.OutlookWordDocument object at 0x0708E250> with extra args of {} Traceback (most recent call last): File "eventHandler.pyc", line 155, in executeEvent File "eventHandler.pyc", line 92, in __init__ File "eventHandler.pyc", line 100, in next File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\winword.pyc", line 47, in event_caret File "documentBase.pyc", line 24, in makeTextInfo File "NVDAObjects\window\winword.pyc", line 673, in __init__ AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'range' ERROR - eventHandler.executeEvent (11:07:46.595) - MainThread (9268): error executing event: caret on <appModules.outlook.OutlookWordDocument object at 0x0708E250> with extra args of {} Traceback (most recent call last): File "eventHandler.pyc", line 155, in executeEvent File "eventHandler.pyc", line 92, in __init__ File "eventHandler.pyc", line 100, in next File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\winword.pyc", line 47, in event_caret File "documentBase.pyc", line 24, in makeTextInfo File "NVDAObjects\window\winword.pyc", line 673, in __init__ AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'range'
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