Re: Announcement: NVDA 2020.2 and Joseph Lee's add-ons
Hi, If both machines have identical hardware (down to the video card level), it might be a driver or a software that runs on your HP machine that might be blocking NVDA from retrieving browse mode data. The fact that this happens often in web browsers suggest that NVDA can’t retrieve the necessary information needed to enter browse mode (I’ve seen this a long time ago). In layman’s terms, a part of NVDA will try to “listen in” on what the web browser is doing so it can understand what the web document is like (technical: this is done by remote DLL code injection, which isn’t allowed in newer browsers with security facilities such as Windows Defender Application Guard (WDAG) turned on); these days, NVDA will ask a partner to help it understand how a web document is laid out (technical: with help from IAccessible2 support DLL in newer browsers). The fact that COM registration fixing tool didn’t help suggests a problem deeper than telling Windows to once again use components necessary for NVDA to recognize many controls. In order to diagnose this, a true remote session would be required (using NVDA Remote add-on), as developers need to know certain things that is happening when a web document loads, or for that matter, we need to know what accessibility API’s are saying regarding screen controls when NVDA says “unknown”. Because the question you just asked has nothing to do with the topic at hand, and because I follow a very strict Remote session protocol (part of which requires user consent), let’s use a different thread. Cheers, Joseph
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Robert Doc Wright godfearer
Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2020 9:37 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Announcement: NVDA 2020.2 and Joseph Lee's add-ons
joseph, do you know of any reason why NVDA does not work on my new HP Pavillion? This is speaking even of the latest version. I cannot go to web sites nor use the task bar. I have tried the fix it tool with no positive result. Even tyler sent a possible fix but unfortunately it did not work either. I am not sure what information I can send you that might give a clue as to what has gone wrong. It works fine on my Dell. ----- Original Message ----- From: Joseph Lee Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2020 12:08 PM Subject: [nvda] Announcement: NVDA 2020.2 and Joseph Lee's add-ons
Hello everyone, Although I do encourage feedback about my add-ons on this list, if you have concerns you think should be brought up to me directly, please message me privately (this also includes sending logs that has to do with errors with my add-ons).
On behalf of many code contributors outside of NV Access, I would like to welcome you to NVDA 2020.2 era. The biggest highlight from this release is improved productivity – Windows Terminal support, more responsive Windows OneCore synthesizer, and much more. As always, feedback about NVDA 2020.2 is appreciated, and developers are working hard to bring improved user experience and other changes in NVDA 2020.3.
A few things to note regarding Joseph Lee’s add-ons now that NVDA 2020.2 stable version came out yesterday:
I’m giving you an early heads up so you won’t be caught off-guard and prepare accordingly. I’ll provide details on add-on releases when they show up, starting with StationPlaylist 20.08 next week. Cheers, Joseph
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Re: Announcement: NVDA 2020.2 and Joseph Lee's add-ons
Robert Doc Wright godfearer
joseph, do you know of any reason why NVDA does not
work on my new HP Pavillion? This is speaking even of the latest version. I
cannot go to web sites nor use the task bar. I have tried the fix it tool with
no positive result. Even tyler sent a possible fix but unfortunately it did not
work either. I am not sure what information I can send you that might give a
clue as to what has gone wrong.
It works fine on my Dell.
----- Original Message -----
From: Joseph
Lee
Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2020 12:08 PM
Subject: [nvda] Announcement: NVDA 2020.2 and Joseph Lee's
add-ons Hello everyone, Although I do encourage feedback about my add-ons on this list, if you have concerns you think should be brought up to me directly, please message me privately (this also includes sending logs that has to do with errors with my add-ons).
On behalf of many code contributors outside of NV Access, I would like to welcome you to NVDA 2020.2 era. The biggest highlight from this release is improved productivity – Windows Terminal support, more responsive Windows OneCore synthesizer, and much more. As always, feedback about NVDA 2020.2 is appreciated, and developers are working hard to bring improved user experience and other changes in NVDA 2020.3.
A few things to note regarding Joseph Lee’s add-ons now that NVDA 2020.2 stable version came out yesterday:
I’m giving you an early heads up so you won’t be caught off-guard and prepare accordingly. I’ll provide details on add-on releases when they show up, starting with StationPlaylist 20.08 next week. Cheers, Joseph
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Re: Two problems with NVDA 2020.2
Ron Canazzi
Hello:
I cannot confirm the issue with the desktop icons. 2020.2 works just as it should. The issue with read to end has been around for a while. It seems to be dependent on a lot of things including length of document, formatting and so on. This is with Windowx 10 version 2004 Eloquence synth from AT Guys SAPI 5 version. On 7/29/2020 5:41 AM, Gloomy_Apple
wrote:
Hello all! -- They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes. They ask: "How Happy are You?" I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"
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Re: how do I silence the "space" bar?
abdul muhamin
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From: Curtis Delzer
Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2020 2:19 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] how do I silence the "space" bar?
thanks, I'll definitely look into this.
Curtis Delzer HS K 6 V F O Rialto, CA
curtis@...
On 7/29/2020 2:13 PM, Brian Vogel wrote: > The first thing that springs to mind is using one of the speech > dictionaries, presuming you have letters being pronounced, and > substitute the space character with no replacement. > > Since you mention "many applications" that implies "not all." You may > want to use application profiles as part of this, but I'm not quite > clear at the moment how that would be tied in with dictionaries, which I > believe are independent of the application profile being used, but I > could be wrong. > > -- > > Brian *-*Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363 > > */Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its > platform. Now, you simply declare your own truth./* > > ~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in /New York Times/ article, /How Anti-Vaccine > Sentiment Took Hold in the United States/ > <https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/23/health/anti-vaccination-movement-us.html>/,/September > 23, 2019 > >
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Re: Using the num pad keys to review text
Gene
I should say that I suspect many people don't understand why they can seem to review text with numpad 4 and 6 in NVDA in the same way as JAWS but that the cursor doesn't move when they experiment during the transition from JAWS to NVDA.
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Gene
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From: Gene via groups.io Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2020 4:48 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Using the num pad keys to review text I suspect a lot of people don't realize why numpad 4 and 6 do what they do when using JAWS. I doubt your friend understands that 4 and 6 will often seem to review text in the same way in NVDA but that the cursor will not move. That's why I made my point. Many people transitioning from JAWS to NVEDA may find when experimenting that Numpad 4 and 6 seem to do the same thing, but they don't. Gene -----Original Message----- From: Governor staten Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2020 4:37 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Using the num pad keys to review text We sorted that little bit out. Thanks for extra information. On 7/29/2020 5:34 PM, Gene wrote: Also, switch to object review before you open Word so the object navigator will track the cursor properly. I should add that I'm using an older version of Word and I don't know if newer versions will work this way with NVDA, but I suspect they will. Also, adding to Joseph Lee's comment, it is important to understand the following points: in JAWS, when you use numpad 4 and 6, you are doing exactly the same thing as when you use the left and right arrow keys on the main keyboard. When you are in the pc cursor, JAWS doesn't do anything to change the function of numpad 4 and 6. Whether JAWS or no screen-reader is running, 4 and 6 duplicate the left and right arrow keys unless a program takes them over. This is a Windows design. If the person wants exactly the same response as with JAWS, he should use the main arrow keys on the keyboard. Also, if you use 4 and 6 in NVDA's object navigation mode, you are moving the object navigator, not the cursor. The person expects the cursor to move when he uses numpad 4 and 6 in JAWS. It won't in NVDA. Gene -----Original Message----- From: Gene Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2020 4:09 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Using the num pad keys to review text check to see which mode you are in. You needd to be in object review, not screen review for the commands you are discussing to work when you are in Word, according to the very little testing I just did, based on your question. Gene -----Original Message----- From: Governor staten Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2020 1:50 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: [nvda] Using the num pad keys to review text This issue refers to the same friend of mine who has issues with his Braille display. I say that only as reference. I don't see these issues as linked. He has opened a word document. He cannot use the numpad 4 and 6 keys to review text, like with Jaws. Is this expected functionality or is there something I've forgotten to tell my friend to help him better? When I open a word document and attempt to read word for word using numpad 4 and 6, I get the same result he does. I don't see any of the text in the document, but, the name of the document and menu options.
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Re: Using the num pad keys to review text
Gene
I suspect a lot of people don't realize why numpad 4 and 6 do what they do when using JAWS. I doubt your friend understands that 4 and 6 will often seem to review text in the same way in NVDA but that the cursor will not move. That's why I made my point. Many people transitioning from JAWS to NVEDA may find when experimenting that Numpad 4 and 6 seem to do the same thing, but they don't.
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Gene
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From: Governor staten Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2020 4:37 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Using the num pad keys to review text We sorted that little bit out. Thanks for extra information. On 7/29/2020 5:34 PM, Gene wrote: Also, switch to object review before you open Word so the object navigator will track the cursor properly. I should add that I'm using an older version of Word and I don't know if newer versions will work this way with NVDA, but I suspect they will. Also, adding to Joseph Lee's comment, it is important to understand the following points: in JAWS, when you use numpad 4 and 6, you are doing exactly the same thing as when you use the left and right arrow keys on the main keyboard. When you are in the pc cursor, JAWS doesn't do anything to change the function of numpad 4 and 6. Whether JAWS or no screen-reader is running, 4 and 6 duplicate the left and right arrow keys unless a program takes them over. This is a Windows design. If the person wants exactly the same response as with JAWS, he should use the main arrow keys on the keyboard. Also, if you use 4 and 6 in NVDA's object navigation mode, you are moving the object navigator, not the cursor. The person expects the cursor to move when he uses numpad 4 and 6 in JAWS. It won't in NVDA. Gene -----Original Message----- From: Gene Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2020 4:09 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Using the num pad keys to review text check to see which mode you are in. You needd to be in object review, not screen review for the commands you are discussing to work when you are in Word, according to the very little testing I just did, based on your question. Gene -----Original Message----- From: Governor staten Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2020 1:50 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: [nvda] Using the num pad keys to review text This issue refers to the same friend of mine who has issues with his Braille display. I say that only as reference. I don't see these issues as linked. He has opened a word document. He cannot use the numpad 4 and 6 keys to review text, like with Jaws. Is this expected functionality or is there something I've forgotten to tell my friend to help him better? When I open a word document and attempt to read word for word using numpad 4 and 6, I get the same result he does. I don't see any of the text in the document, but, the name of the document and menu options.
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Re: Using the num pad keys to review text
We sorted that little bit out. Thanks for extra information.
On 7/29/2020 5:34 PM, Gene wrote:
Also, switch to object review before you open Word so the object navigator will track the cursor properly.
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Re: Using the num pad keys to review text
Gene
Also, switch to object review before you open Word so the object navigator will track the cursor properly.
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I should add that I'm using an older version of Word and I don't know if newer versions will work this way with NVDA, but I suspect they will. Also, adding to Joseph Lee's comment, it is important to understand the following points: in JAWS, when you use numpad 4 and 6, you are doing exactly the same thing as when you use the left and right arrow keys on the main keyboard. When you are in the pc cursor, JAWS doesn't do anything to change the function of numpad 4 and 6. Whether JAWS or no screen-reader is running, 4 and 6 duplicate the left and right arrow keys unless a program takes them over. This is a Windows design. If the person wants exactly the same response as with JAWS, he should use the main arrow keys on the keyboard. Also, if you use 4 and 6 in NVDA's object navigation mode, you are moving the object navigator, not the cursor. The person expects the cursor to move when he uses numpad 4 and 6 in JAWS. It won't in NVDA. Gene
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From: Gene Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2020 4:09 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Using the num pad keys to review text check to see which mode you are in. You needd to be in object review, not screen review for the commands you are discussing to work when you are in Word, according to the very little testing I just did, based on your question. Gene -----Original Message----- From: Governor staten Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2020 1:50 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: [nvda] Using the num pad keys to review text This issue refers to the same friend of mine who has issues with his Braille display. I say that only as reference. I don't see these issues as linked. He has opened a word document. He cannot use the numpad 4 and 6 keys to review text, like with Jaws. Is this expected functionality or is there something I've forgotten to tell my friend to help him better? When I open a word document and attempt to read word for word using numpad 4 and 6, I get the same result he does. I don't see any of the text in the document, but, the name of the document and menu options.
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Re: how do I silence the "space" bar?
Curtis Delzer
thanks, I'll definitely look into this.
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Curtis Delzer HS K 6 V F O Rialto, CA curtis@calweb.com
On 7/29/2020 2:13 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
The first thing that springs to mind is using one of the speech dictionaries, presuming you have letters being pronounced, and substitute the space character with no replacement.
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Re: how do I silence the "space" bar?
The first thing that springs to mind is using one of the speech dictionaries, presuming you have letters being pronounced, and substitute the space character with no replacement.
Since you mention "many applications" that implies "not all." You may want to use application profiles as part of this, but I'm not quite clear at the moment how that would be tied in with dictionaries, which I believe are independent of the application profile being used, but I could be wrong. -- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363 Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its platform. Now, you simply declare your own truth. ~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine Sentiment Took Hold in the United States, September 23, 2019
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Re: Using the num pad keys to review text
Gene
check to see which mode you are in. You needd to be in object review, not screen review for the commands you are discussing to work when you are in Word, according to the very little testing I just did, based on your question.
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Gene
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From: Governor staten Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2020 1:50 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: [nvda] Using the num pad keys to review text This issue refers to the same friend of mine who has issues with his Braille display. I say that only as reference. I don't see these issues as linked. He has opened a word document. He cannot use the numpad 4 and 6 keys to review text, like with Jaws. Is this expected functionality or is there something I've forgotten to tell my friend to help him better? When I open a word document and attempt to read word for word using numpad 4 and 6, I get the same result he does. I don't see any of the text in the document, but, the name of the document and menu options.
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how do I silence the "space" bar?
Curtis Delzer
How do I go about silencing the space bar in NVDA? I don't wish to silence letters, (guess I enjoy the security of haring them), but the space isn't necessary and there are many applications where I don't wish to hear the space bar.
-- Curtis Delzer HS K 6 V F O Rialto, CA curtis@calweb.com
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Re: No exit sound on NVDA 2020.2 when I shut down my computer
David Goldfield
Hello. For me, the add-on in question which was causing the shut-down wav file to be suppressed was an older version of the Acapela speech engine. As it turned out Acapela corrected this problem in a later update which I did not have. Installing the newer speech engine fixed the problem.
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On 7/29/2020 12:57 PM, Luke Davis wrote:
Before trying anything else, try these two things:
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Re: Using the num pad keys to review text
Christopher Gray
Hi:
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This may explain why I sometimes find myself unable to review an entire window/screen. In a DOS box, things work well. But in other windows, I often can't find what I would expect, say, when using COBRA. Is there a way in NVDA to move the caret and review in that way? If this is a complicated question, I would be happy for a pointer to the places to look in the UOser Guide/Help. Chris
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2020 1:58 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Using the num pad keys to review text Hi, In NVDA world, numpad is strictly used to review contents of a control, not to move caret as you can do with JAWS. Cheers, Joseph -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Governor staten Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2020 11:51 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: [nvda] Using the num pad keys to review text This issue refers to the same friend of mine who has issues with his Braille display. I say that only as reference. I don't see these issues as linked. He has opened a word document. He cannot use the numpad 4 and 6 keys to review text, like with Jaws. Is this expected functionality or is there something I've forgotten to tell my friend to help him better? When I open a word document and attempt to read word for word using numpad 4 and 6, I get the same result he does. I don't see any of the text in the document, but, the name of the document and menu options.
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Re: Using the num pad keys to review text
Thanks. That one was easy. Received and communicated.
On 7/29/2020 2:57 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi, In NVDA world, numpad is strictly used to review contents of a control, not to move caret as you can do with JAWS. Cheers, Joseph -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Governor staten Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2020 11:51 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: [nvda] Using the num pad keys to review text This issue refers to the same friend of mine who has issues with his Braille display. I say that only as reference. I don't see these issues as linked. He has opened a word document. He cannot use the numpad 4 and 6 keys to review text, like with Jaws. Is this expected functionality or is there something I've forgotten to tell my friend to help him better? When I open a word document and attempt to read word for word using numpad 4 and 6, I get the same result he does. I don't see any of the text in the document, but, the name of the document and menu options.
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Re: Using the num pad keys to review text
Hi,
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In NVDA world, numpad is strictly used to review contents of a control, not to move caret as you can do with JAWS. Cheers, Joseph
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Governor staten Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2020 11:51 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: [nvda] Using the num pad keys to review text This issue refers to the same friend of mine who has issues with his Braille display. I say that only as reference. I don't see these issues as linked. He has opened a word document. He cannot use the numpad 4 and 6 keys to review text, like with Jaws. Is this expected functionality or is there something I've forgotten to tell my friend to help him better? When I open a word document and attempt to read word for word using numpad 4 and 6, I get the same result he does. I don't see any of the text in the document, but, the name of the document and menu options.
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Re: Two problems with NVDA 2020.2
Sean
The second problem is also experienced with Espeak NG.
On 29/07/2020 18:33, Tyler Spivey
wrote:
Both of these are a problem with your synthesizer. NVDA relies on indexing a lot more than it used to, and I'm guessing your synth can't do it well enough. On 7/29/2020 2:41 AM, Gloomy_Apple wrote:Hello all! I have just finally moved on from the NVDA 2019.2 version and updated to the newest one. However now I'm having two problems with it. I'm pretty sure that the first one has been already mentioned in the group though in regard to a different version, but can't find the topic for the life of me so apologies if this is repetitive. 1: I have the "Speak Typed Characters" option on most of the time, and now after the update, when I'm on the desktop and navigating to a specific icon by its first letter, NVDA will only say the letter but not the name of the icon afterwards. I've heard that this was a problem in the 2019.3 version with older speech synths however I'm using Acapela (for Sapi5, not for NVDA) so was quite surprised to see this problem. I turned the Speak Typed Characters option off for now but if this is something I can fix myself, I'd really appreciate any advice. 2: When using the NVDA+Down Arrow to read continuously, NVDA will stop after a while. I assume that it stops when reaching the end of a paragraph, or before a heading. Are these just some bugs in this version that will be removed later or is it something that I can get back to working properly as someone who's not extremely techy? Do you guys have any suggestions how to deal with this. Best wishes. --
Sean👨🦯 I’m programmer. I coding often Python, sometimes Go and rarely C++.
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Using the num pad keys to review text
This issue refers to the same friend of mine who has issues with his Braille display. I say that only as reference. I don't see these issues as linked.
He has opened a word document. He cannot use the numpad 4 and 6 keys to review text, like with Jaws. Is this expected functionality or is there something I've forgotten to tell my friend to help him better? When I open a word document and attempt to read word for word using numpad 4 and 6, I get the same result he does. I don't see any of the text in the document, but, the name of the document and menu options.
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Re: Problems using NVDA 2020.2 With a Freedom Scientific Focus 40 Fifth Generation Braille Display
Slight modification to my message. The rocker switches work inside documents. However, they do not work on the desktop itself. I have another issue I'll ask about in another message.
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On 7/29/2020 12:28 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
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Announcement: NVDA 2020.2 and Joseph Lee's add-ons
Hello everyone, Although I do encourage feedback about my add-ons on this list, if you have concerns you think should be brought up to me directly, please message me privately (this also includes sending logs that has to do with errors with my add-ons).
On behalf of many code contributors outside of NV Access, I would like to welcome you to NVDA 2020.2 era. The biggest highlight from this release is improved productivity – Windows Terminal support, more responsive Windows OneCore synthesizer, and much more. As always, feedback about NVDA 2020.2 is appreciated, and developers are working hard to bring improved user experience and other changes in NVDA 2020.3.
A few things to note regarding Joseph Lee’s add-ons now that NVDA 2020.2 stable version came out yesterday:
I’m giving you an early heads up so you won’t be caught off-guard and prepare accordingly. I’ll provide details on add-on releases when they show up, starting with StationPlaylist 20.08 next week. Cheers, Joseph
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