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New Book Available on Browsing the Web with Screen Reader Programs

David Kingsbury
 

Hi all,

 

Below is the description of a book I just wrote. It can be purchased for $20 at:

https://carroll.org/product/when-one-web-browser-is-not-enough/

 

When One Web Browser Is Not Enough: A Guide for Windows Screen Reader Users

In just the last few years, more web browsers have become accessible, and screen reader users can greatly benefit by becoming familiar with multiple browsers. Websites are complex animals. When things go wrong with one browser, your first line of defense is often to switch browsers. Each browser has strengths and weaknesses, so you can pick and choose features among them to get the best browsing experience. And once you are comfortable with one browser, it’s not hard to pick up the basics of the others.

 

When One Web Browser Is Not Enough: A Guide for Windows Screen Reader Users by David Kingsbury, Assistive Technology Instructor at the Carroll Center for the Blind, is meant to help JAWS, NVDA, and Windows Narrator users to effectively use the four leading web browsers – Google Chrome, Mozilla Firefox, Internet Explorer, and Microsoft Edge – in ways that build on the strengths of each of them. Topics covered include: recent trends in web browser and screen reader usage; web accessibility criteria; screen reader keystrokes and strategies for efficiently accessing and navigating websites; browser menu structure; useful web browser features and commands; and JAWS, NVDA and Narrator customizations. Two appendices – a list of keystrokes and a glossary of Internet terms – are included for convenient reference.


Re: NVDA 2020.2 and Word Track Changes

Sylvie Duchateau
 

Hello Sandra and all,

I use Office 365 in French with NVDA 2020.2.

I tested what you describe on a word document with track changes enabled.

I noticed the same as you mentioned:

While typing a to jump to the next change, everything is ok.

However, going backwards with shift+a jumps to the first change and does not go to all others.

I tested the same document with nvda 2019.2 and 2019.3, and the shortcut works properly.

I can’t explain what the problem is.

Best

Sylvie

De : nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> De la part de Sandra Pilz via groups.io
Envoyé : lundi 3 août 2020 14:27
À : nvda@nvda.groups.io
Objet : [nvda] NVDA 2020.2 and Word Track Changes

 

Hi,

 

I am using the current version of NVDA, 2020.2. When I am in a word document with track changes enabled, I can go to reading mode and press a to go to the next change and again to the next change and so on. However, I can't move to the previous change. When I press shift+a, NVDA will tell me no changes were found, although it took me through them when I went forward using just a.

 

I am using Office 365. Also, I'm using a German version of NVDA, so I don't know if the key to cycle through changes is different in the English version. However, A is the correct key in my version.

 

Can I do something to solve this, or is this a new bug?

 

 

Regards

 

Sandra

 


Re: reading an article.

 

And for anyone who might find themselves in the situation where they are having to use the keyboard layout to which they are not accustomed, and you need to find the NVDA shortcut for anything, NVDA+N,H,Q, will bring up the Commands Quick Reference in your default web browser so you can look it up.

I can't say how many times I've used this to look up something I very seldom use, or when faced with laptop keyboard layout since I'm a desktop layout user by default.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

. . . the presumption of innocence, while essential in the legal realm, does not mean the elimination of common sense outside it.  The willing suspension of disbelief has its limits, or should.

 

    ~ Ruth Marcus,  November 10, 2017, in Washington Post article, Bannon is right: It’s no coincidence The Post broke the Moore story

 

 


Re: reading an article.

CJ
 



Hi,

thank you for your suggestions. I will give this a go. My thanks for your time.


My regards, CJ.

On 03/08/2020 13:57, Dan Beaver wrote:

Sorry, I haven't followed this entire thread but there is a way to start from a given point and read to the end using a laptop keyboard layout.  Just focus on where you want to start and then do a NVDA+A. 


I hope this is what you needed.


Dan Beaver

On 8/3/2020 4:20 AM, benmoxey@... wrote:

Hi CJ

 

You may have your keyboard set to Laptop mode. Insert + Down Arrow only reads to the end in Desktop mode.

 

Press NVDA + Control + K to load the keyboard settings and ensure it’s set to “Desktop” if this is the problem.

 

All the best.

 

Ben

-- 
Dan Beaver (KA4DAN)


Re: NVDA and language support

Devin Prater
 

This depends on ESpeak-NG, for speech, and LibLouis, for braille.
Devin Prater
r.d.t.prater@gmail.com

Https://devinprater.github.io

On Aug 3, 2020, at 8:04 AM, Chelsea <Lady.arwen15@gmail.com> wrote:

Hello,

I apologize if this is a re-post.

I received a job fair email that highlighted several languages. They
are: Balochi, Chinese/Mandarin, Dari, Farsi, Hindi, Kazakh, Kyrgyz,
Pashto, Persian,
Punjabi, Russian, Somali, Swahili, Tajik, Turkish, Urdu, Uzbek

When looking through NVDA's speech and Braille settings, I see that
some of these languages have speech support only, and some only have
Braille support. Some have both.

Are there plans to expand language support even further in the future?

Thank you from a curious user,
Chelsea



NVDA and language support

Chelsea <Lady.arwen15@...>
 

Hello,

I apologize if this is a re-post.

I received a job fair email that highlighted several languages. They
are: Balochi, Chinese/Mandarin, Dari, Farsi, Hindi, Kazakh, Kyrgyz,
Pashto, Persian,
Punjabi, Russian, Somali, Swahili, Tajik, Turkish, Urdu, Uzbek

When looking through NVDA's speech and Braille settings, I see that
some of these languages have speech support only, and some only have
Braille support. Some have both.

Are there plans to expand language support even further in the future?

Thank you from a curious user,
Chelsea


Re: reading an article.

Dan Beaver
 

Sorry, I haven't followed this entire thread but there is a way to start from a given point and read to the end using a laptop keyboard layout.  Just focus on where you want to start and then do a NVDA+A. 


I hope this is what you needed.


Dan Beaver

On 8/3/2020 4:20 AM, benmoxey@... wrote:

Hi CJ

 

You may have your keyboard set to Laptop mode. Insert + Down Arrow only reads to the end in Desktop mode.

 

Press NVDA + Control + K to load the keyboard settings and ensure it’s set to “Desktop” if this is the problem.

 

All the best.

 

Ben

-- 
Dan Beaver (KA4DAN)


Re: reading an article.

benmoxey@...
 

Hi CJ

 

You may have your keyboard set to Laptop mode. Insert + Down Arrow only reads to the end in Desktop mode.

 

Press NVDA + Control + K to load the keyboard settings and ensure it’s set to “Desktop” if this is the problem.

 

All the best.

 

Ben


NVDA 2020.2 and Word Track Changes

Sandra Pilz
 

Hi,


I am using the current version of NVDA, 2020.2. When I am in a word document with track changes enabled, I can go to reading mode and press a to go to the next change and again to the next change and so on. However, I can't move to the previous change. When I press shift+a, NVDA will tell me no changes were found, although it took me through them when I went forward using just a.


I am using Office 365. Also, I'm using a German version of NVDA, so I don't know if the key to cycle through changes is different in the English version. However, A is the correct key in my version.


Can I do something to solve this, or is this a new bug?



Regards


Sandra



Re: Nvda and multiple reading of subjects in E-mails

Fernando Paixão
 

Good morning folks from NVDA development, I have a question here that is:
I am using the last alpha of today that 3 alphas came out today, and the last when I enter the Mozilla thunderbird email client, it locks the reading of email with any voice. Does this happen to you?

follow the NVDA log below please already taking advantage of the friend's email.

here it goes:

INFO - __main__ (06: 19: 55.852) - MainThread (7304):
Starting NVDA version alpha-20666, e2675e2a
INFO - core.main (06: 19: 55.992) - MainThread (7304):
Config dir: C: \ Users \ ferna \ AppData \ Roaming \ nvda
INFO - config.ConfigManager._loadConfig (06: 19: 55.992) - MainThread (7304):
Loading config: C: \ Users \ ferna \ AppData \ Roaming \ nvda \ nvda.ini
INFO - core.main (06: 19: 56.039) - MainThread (7304):
Using Windows version 10.0.20180 workstation
INFO - core.main (06: 19: 56.039) - MainThread (7304):
Using Python version 3.7.8 (tags / v3.7.8: 4b47a5b6ba, Jun 28 2020, 07:55:33) [MSC v.1916 32 bit (Intel)]
INFO - core.main (06: 19: 56.039) - MainThread (7304):
Using comtypes version 1.1.7
INFO - core.main (06: 19: 56.039) - MainThread (7304):
Using configobj version 5.1.0 with validate version 1.0.1
INFO - synthDrivers.espeak.SynthDriver .__ init__ (06: 19: 57.117) - MainThread (7304):
Using eSpeak NG version b'1.49.3 dev '
INFO - synthDriverHandler.setSynth (06: 19: 57.279) - MainThread (7304):
Loaded synthDriver espeak
INFO - core.main (06: 19: 57.279) - MainThread (7304):
Using wx version 4.0.3 msw (phoenix) wxWidgets 3.0.5 with six version 1.12.0
INFO - brailleInput.initialize (06: 19: 57.281) - MainThread (7304):
Braille input initialized
INFO - braille.initialize (06: 19: 57.281) - MainThread (7304):
Using liblouis version 3.14.0
INFO - braille.initialize (06: 19: 57.291) - MainThread (7304):
Using pySerial version 3.4
INFO - braille.BrailleHandler.setDisplayByName (06: 19: 57.301) - MainThread (7304):
Loaded braille display driver noBraille, current display has 0 cells.
INFO - core.main (06: 19: 59.734) - MainThread (7304):
Java Access Bridge support initialized
INFO - _UIAHandler.UIAHandler.MTAThreadFunc (06: 19: 59.764) - _UIAHandler.UIAHandler.MTAThread (7084):
UIAutomation: IUIAutomation6
DEBUGWARNING - touchHandler.touchSupported (06: 19: 59.913) - MainThread (7304):
No touch devices found
DEBUGWARNING - Python warning (06: 19: 59.945) - MainThread (7304):
C: \ Users \ ferna \ AppData \ Roaming \ nvda \ addons \ wordReview \ globalPlugins \ wordReview \ libs \ bs4 \ element.py: 16: UserWarning: The soupsieve package is not installed. CSS selectors cannot
be used.
'The soupsieve package is not installed. CSS selectors cannot be used. '
INFO - external: globalPlugins.translate.GlobalPlugin .__ init__ (06: 20: 02.979) - MainThread (7304):
Translate module initialized, translating to en
INFO - config.ConfigManager._loadConfig (06: 20: 03.132) - MainThread (7304):
Loading config: C: \ Users \ ferna \ AppData \ Roaming \ nvda \ profiles \ Portuguêss.ini
INFO - config.ConfigManager._loadConfig (06: 20: 03.162) - MainThread (7304):
Loading config: C: \ Users \ ferna \ AppData \ Roaming \ nvda \ profiles \ reportPasswords.ini
INFO - external: globalPlugins.NVDAExtensionGlobalPlugin.theGlobalPlugin.NVDAExtensionGlobalPlugin .__ init__ (06: 20: 03.283) - MainThread (7304):
Loaded NVDAExtensionGlobalPlugin version 9.2
DEBUGWARNING - Python warning (06: 20: 03.424) - MainThread (7304):
C: \ Users \ ferna \ AppData \ Roaming \ nvda \ addons \ codefactory-py3 \ globalPlugins \ add_menu.py: 55: wxPyDeprecationWarning: Call to deprecated item. Use Insert instead.
systray.menu.InsertMenu (2, wx.ID_ANY, _ ("C & ode Factory"), self.menu)
INFO - core.main (06: 20: 03.676) - MainThread (7304):
NVDA initialized
DEBUGWARNING - external: globalPlugins.NVDAExtensionGlobalPlugin.utils.keyboard.getKeyboardKeysIniFilePath (06: 20: 03.693) - MainThread (7304):
keyboard.ini file loaded from locale \ en_BR folder
DEBUGWARNING - Python warning (06: 20: 03.776) - MainThread (7304):
C: \ Program Files (x86) \ NVDA \ library.zip \ api.py: 287: DeprecationWarning: Yield () is deprecated
WARNING - external: globalPlugins.NVDAExtensionGlobalPlugin.commandKeysSelectiveAnnouncementAndRemanence.initialize (06: 20: 04.159) - MainThread (7304):
commandKeysSelectiveAnnouncementAndRemanence initialized
WARNING - external: globalPlugins.NVDAExtensionGlobalPlugin.speechHistory.initialize (06: 20: 04.159) - MainThread (7304):
speechHistory initialized
ERROR - appModuleHandler.fetchAppModule (06: 20: 11.877) - MainThread (7304):
error in appModule 'thunderbird'
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "appModuleHandler.pyc", line 172, in fetchAppModule
File "importlib \ __ init __. Pyc", line 127, in import_module
File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap>", line 1006, in _gcd_import
File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap>", line 983, in _find_and_load
File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap>", line 967, in _find_and_load_unlocked
File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap>", line 677, in _load_unlocked
File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap_external>", line 728, in exec_module
File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap>", line 219, in _call_with_frames_remo

Em Segunda, 3 de Agosto de 2020 09:08, "Jarek.Krcmar"
<Jarek.Krcmar@email.cz> escreveu:

Hello all,

I have a long time a problem with Nvda.

It several times reads subjects in Emails.

Is possible to set Nvda, for reading of a subject once only?

Sincerely


--
Jarek




Re: Nvda and multiple reading of subjects in E-mails

Gene
 

The only way I know of to stop this problemis that, when you open a new message, don't just let it sit there and read. After you open the message, issue the read to end command.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Jarek.Krcmar
Sent: Monday, August 03, 2020 2:08 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Nvda and multiple reading of subjects in E-mails

Hello all,

I have a long time a problem with Nvda.

It several times reads subjects in Emails.

Is possible to set Nvda, for reading of a subject once only?

Sincerely


--
Jarek


Re: How can I copy, keeping the format of the document in Chrome?

Sean
 

It work now. I’m puzzled that I couldn’t discover it.
Thanks a lot Gene

  1. NVDA+Spacebar
    • With HTML document open in Chrome
  2. CTRL+a
    • NVDA doesn’t say anything. We can understand that it’s true here. In the other selection, the number of characters selected is reported. If the text is short, all reading.
  3. ctrl+c
On 03/08/2020 01:19, Gene wrote:

I wrote the last step incorrectly, but that's what I meant.  I meant NVDA Space to turn on browse mode again but I wrote NVDA a instead.  I'm glad you caught the error.  I check my messages before I send them but sometimes I don't catch something even when I read it again.

Gene
Gene
-----Original Message----- From: mcLeod stinnett
Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2020 5:07 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] How can I copy, keeping the format of the document in Chrome?



--

Sean

👨‍🦯 I’m programmer. I coding often Python, sometimes Go and rarely C++.


reading an article.

CJ
 

Hello,

I have updated my machine to  the latest NVDA version and have found that if I go onto say The Guardian site and start to read an article I seem to be able to read only one paragraph from  the article before insert and down arrow stop and I have to either down arrow or use insert and down arrow to get to the next paragraph of the article. Prior to updating things worked just fine so has something changed with the latest update or is it a case of a setting having altered and if so how do I get to read an entire article without it stopping at  each new paragraph.


Thanks in advance for any assistance and it is quite likely I have missed something simple. Any suggestions will be most welcomed.


My regards, CJ.


Nvda and multiple reading of subjects in E-mails

Jarek.Krcmar
 

Hello all,

I have a long time a problem with Nvda.

It several times reads subjects in Emails.

Is possible to set Nvda, for reading of a subject once only?

Sincerely


--
Jarek


Re: gold wave add on

Meet modi
 

Yes you can download from nvda add-ons page,
Here I attach a link of goldwav add-ons
https://addons.nvda-project.org › go...
GoldWave - NVDA add-ons


On Mon, Aug 3, 2020, 00:29 Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
The fastest and easiest way to see what is available is to do a Google
search for NVDA and the name of the add-on.  I did a search for NVDA Gold
Wave Add-on and found this page as the first result:
https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/goldwave.en.html

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Kerryn Gunness via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2020 1:49 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] gold wave add on


guys
does NVDA have a latest add on for g w with the latest nvda?
thanks







Re: Reading Graphics with NVDA

g melconian
 

yes I have two options in accessibility settings,  captions and get image descriptions  and its toggled on.   Just tried  with NVDA , jaws , an narrator. 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Sunday, August 2, 2020 3:39 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Reading Graphics with NVDA

 

On Sun, Aug 2, 2020 at 06:27 PM, Gene wrote:

Is it there when you go through the items with a screen-reader running?

Gene,

           You hit the nail on the head.  It does appear when I have NVDA running and does not when I do not.

            New Edge does not appear to have Accessibility settings (or at least not under that moniker).  Brave does not either, under that or image or describ (I didn't bother completing the word, as that should be enough to get any variant), yet the option for the context menu pops up.

             This is the first time I've seen a browser settings be sensitive to whether a screen reader is running at the time or not.  This certainly makes sense when it's accessibility settings, though it does pose some dangers in terms of sighted assistants trying to assist by looking on their own machines (which will often not have a screen reader at all - or not one that they know how to run).   I'll have to see if this is picked up when running JAWS and Narrator later.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

. . . the presumption of innocence, while essential in the legal realm, does not mean the elimination of common sense outside it.  The willing suspension of disbelief has its limits, or should.

 

    ~ Ruth Marcus,  November 10, 2017, in Washington Post article, Bannon is right: It’s no coincidence The Post broke the Moore story

 

 


Re: Tutorials for sighted users.

hurrikennyandopo ...
 

Hi Robert


I put together a tutorial for sighted users of NVDa more for a web developer etc It is a rough draft and the ones with the * next to it is a heading for the section below.


Not sure how much info to put in? or leave out but then again that is what a draft is.


It when tidied up more might go up on the website of mine.


*Tutorials for a sighted person to learn NVDA

*What is a screen reader?

A "screen reader" is the generic term for a program that helps blind people use a computer. Simply put, a screen reader will "read" (speak) the content of a page to the blind user.


*Where do you go to download a free screen reader

You will need to go to the following website at http://www.nvaccess.org then locate the downloads page. Here you will find the latest version of the NVDA screen reader.
After it has been down loaded to your computer locate the file and click on it, a musical sound will be heard. You will see in front of you documentation that can be read then agreed to. You will then be given 3 options, one to install NVDA to your computer, the second to make a portable copy and the third to run a tempory copy of NVDA with out installing it to your computer. Choose the first option and follow the directions to install it to your computer. If a UAC screen comes up just use the ALT key + Y key to say yes to it so it can be installed to the computer.

*Keys to start, exit and also go into the settings of NVDA

To start your copy of NVDA if it is not running use the ALT key + CTRL key + the letter N
To go into the settings of NVDA use the NVDA key + the letter N. When the preferences menu comes up arrow or click on the settings menu to open it. Here you can make changes like speeding up or slowing down how fast NVDA speaks etc.
Under the HELP section is where you will find the user guide.
To turn off NVDA use the NVDA key + the letter Q. Either tab or click on the ok button to close it. You might of noticed depending what option is shown the default is set to exit NVDA.
* NVDA modifier keys

Where I refer to the NVDA key this is a modifier key which can either be the caps lock key, the insert key or the extended insert key. You would use one of these you chose to close NVDA for example insert key + the letter Q.

*Some keys you will use

Depending if you are testing NVDA either on a desk top progrogram or on the web the keys used will be keyboard based.

In most cases on the Desk top you will use the ENTER key to go into a program, the tab key,  sometimes to jump into a section and the shift/tab key, to jump back out of itthe arrow keys not on the numeric keypad, to navigate the Desk top and menus, the ALT key to bring up a file menu and the ALT key + F4 key to close a program or page.
The following sections in the user guide might help you called objects, navigating with the system focus and navigating with the system caret along with the focus high lighter feature in NVA to know where you are on the Desk top or web page.


There are different keys that are used on a web page to quickly navigate a web site in browse mode these are known as single letter navigation keys which can be found in the NVDA user guide. Some people will refer to these as quick navigation keys on a web page that NVDA can use.
.

*Focus high lighter in NVDA


If you are a sighted developer or trainer and you want to see what NVDA is talking at that time you can turn on the focus high lighter in NVDA To turn it on you will need to have NVDA running, then press the NVDA key + the letter N. When the preferences menu comes up, locate the settings menu wither either the arrow keys or mouse. If using the arrow keys press the ENTER key on the settings menu. Here you will see different sections come up. Locate the vision section of NVDA in most cases you would use your arrow keys or a sighted person would click on it.
If using the arrow keys after you have found the vision section just use the tab key. You will be given different options such as Enable Highlighting, Highlight system focus, Highlight navigator object and Highlight browse mode cursor.
You will need to check the box on the option you want to use.
To find out more on what they do when checked or un checked please read the user guide under the help section of NVDA. You will need to locate the vision and the Focus Highlight section in the user guide where you can find out more on what they do.
This might be while on a website or on the desk top.

*Turning off NVDA from speaking what it is focused on

If you are a sighted developer and do not want to hear NVDA speak what it is doing you can turn off the speech in NVDA. Press the NVDA key + the letter S and toggle it until you hear NVDA say ssspeech mode off. The other alternative is just mute the speaker in |Windows or just turn them off.
If you want to hear NVDA speak again just repeat the process until you hear NVDA say speech mode talk.
*Speech Viewer
For sighted software developers or people demoing NVDA to sighted audiences, a floating window is available that allows you to view all the text that NVDA is currently speaking.
To enable the speech viewer, check the "Speech Viewer" menu item under Tools in the NVDA menu. Uncheck the menu item to disable it.
To find out more about the speech viewer please see the section called speech viewer in the user guide.


*Testing your website with NVDA

Visually impaired and blind people do not use a mouse on a website but in the case the only option is using a keyboard. NVDA has quick navigation keys that you can use to navigate a web site. You should be able to use any supported browser that NVDA can use. for example Google Chrome, The new Microsoft Edge, fire Fox and many other chromium based browsers.

Depending how you are going to test your web page locate the page you want to test and make sure NVDA is focused insside of that page. You can use the CTRL key + HOME key to go to the top of the page.

There are many quick navigation keys that NVDA can use on a website but the most common ones used are H for headings, B for buttons, L for lists, • t: for table, F for form field, E for edit field, C for combo box, R for radio button, D or landmark.
Pressing one of those letters while in browse mode on a web page will take you down by say H for headings down the page while adding a shift key with that same letter H for will take you back up the page by headings.
 
For a complete list of quick navigation keys that can be used with NVDA while on a web page please see the section  called Single Letter Navigation in the user guide.

*Hearing the difference between browse mode and focus mode with NVDA

When you go to test your web page with NVDA you can either hear 2 different sounds. One sound will be when it goes to browse mode and the other to focus mode. If you want to hear it spoken use the NVDA key +CTRL key + the letter B. When the browse mode settings dialogue comes up locate the section called Audio indication of focus and browse modes and un check that box then apply  and ok the changes. Now yoou should hear NVDA say browse mode where the quick navigation keys can be used to navigate a web page quickly in browse mode and focus mode where you can type into a editable area.

You can force NVDA to change between these 2 modes. Use the NVDA key + space bar to do this.

The following web page by Web Aim called WebAIM: Using NVDA to Evaluate Web Accessibility may help you to use NVDA on a web page and go more into dept  on other ways you can imporive your web page for accessibility.
The link to this page is https://webaim.org/articles/nvda/

* Using the say all command to read a web page

You might want to hear your web page read out by NVDA and while in browse mode you can use the following keys the first option is for a desktop user and the second for a lap top user.
Say all commands can also be used on a document.

Say all
NVDA+downArrow
NVDA+a
Starts reading from the current position of the system caret, moving it along as it goes








On 31/07/2020 3:18 am, Robert Kingett wrote:

Wasn't sure if this should go in the chat subgroup, but I am looking for tutorials geared towards sighted users of NVDA? I have many sighted people wanting to test with it, but they can't grasp the concept of keyboard navigation. They're still using the mouse to interact. Also, they are tabbing everywhere. Is there a tutorial for testers?


Re: Reading Graphics with NVDA

g melconian
 

Yes I am using  both NVDA  and JAWS.   I will see if its there  if I use narrator as well.   

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Sunday, August 2, 2020 3:39 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Reading Graphics with NVDA

 

On Sun, Aug 2, 2020 at 06:27 PM, Gene wrote:

Is it there when you go through the items with a screen-reader running?

Gene,

           You hit the nail on the head.  It does appear when I have NVDA running and does not when I do not.

            New Edge does not appear to have Accessibility settings (or at least not under that moniker).  Brave does not either, under that or image or describ (I didn't bother completing the word, as that should be enough to get any variant), yet the option for the context menu pops up.

             This is the first time I've seen a browser settings be sensitive to whether a screen reader is running at the time or not.  This certainly makes sense when it's accessibility settings, though it does pose some dangers in terms of sighted assistants trying to assist by looking on their own machines (which will often not have a screen reader at all - or not one that they know how to run).   I'll have to see if this is picked up when running JAWS and Narrator later.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

. . . the presumption of innocence, while essential in the legal realm, does not mean the elimination of common sense outside it.  The willing suspension of disbelief has its limits, or should.

 

    ~ Ruth Marcus,  November 10, 2017, in Washington Post article, Bannon is right: It’s no coincidence The Post broke the Moore story

 

 


Re: Reading Graphics with NVDA

 

On Sun, Aug 2, 2020 at 06:27 PM, Gene wrote:
Is it there when you go through the items with a screen-reader running?
Gene,

           You hit the nail on the head.  It does appear when I have NVDA running and does not when I do not.

            New Edge does not appear to have Accessibility settings (or at least not under that moniker).  Brave does not either, under that or image or describ (I didn't bother completing the word, as that should be enough to get any variant), yet the option for the context menu pops up.

             This is the first time I've seen a browser settings be sensitive to whether a screen reader is running at the time or not.  This certainly makes sense when it's accessibility settings, though it does pose some dangers in terms of sighted assistants trying to assist by looking on their own machines (which will often not have a screen reader at all - or not one that they know how to run).   I'll have to see if this is picked up when running JAWS and Narrator later.
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

. . . the presumption of innocence, while essential in the legal realm, does not mean the elimination of common sense outside it.  The willing suspension of disbelief has its limits, or should.

 

    ~ Ruth Marcus,  November 10, 2017, in Washington Post article, Bannon is right: It’s no coincidence The Post broke the Moore story

 

 


Re: Reading Graphics with NVDA

 

What's even more interesting is that I cannot get the image description item to come up when bringing up the context menu in Chrome, either.  Nor in new Chromium-based Edge.

By contrast, if I do exactly the same thing in Brave, on the same webpage for the same image, a "Get image descriptions from Brave" item appears, and its submenu is "always" and "just once."
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

. . . the presumption of innocence, while essential in the legal realm, does not mean the elimination of common sense outside it.  The willing suspension of disbelief has its limits, or should.

 

    ~ Ruth Marcus,  November 10, 2017, in Washington Post article, Bannon is right: It’s no coincidence The Post broke the Moore story

 

 

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