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Re: NVDA and MathML content, plus Hi from Jay at AC

Sean
 

I did not know that MathML can be read in a format such as Word or PDF.

If I am going to write math formulas, I use matjax.
When I move the cursor on  the formula, I press NVDA+ALT+M. This creates a virtual cursor  for me to study math content.

And I use Chrome.

On 04/08/2020 19:04, Jason Timms wrote:

Hi

My name is Jay Timms,

Wanted to say hi before blasting some questions to the group. Go gentle I am new here.

I am looking for advice on MathML and NVDA. I am working with a student who needs to access Math.

I have material encoded in MathML, have connected to try to load MathPlayer on his computer. He has the latest version of NVDA and Windows 10. I have reinstalled his Office to ensure it is 32 bit.

His material is in MS Word and has been encoded by a Professional service provider known for their ability to encode in MathML.

We can’t seem to get NVDA to speak the content in the book?

Any thoughts?

Also, I have not worked with someone using MathML before, are there other software solutions or format choices that may work better. The student is new to NVDA and MathML so switching file format is not likely an issue as we are starting from the beginning anyway?

Thanks,,

Jay @ AC

--

Sean

👨‍🦯 I’m programmer. I coding often Python, sometimes Go and rarely C++.


Re: Error when using the latest NVDA Master with the Enhanced Mozilla Add-in

Bob Jutzi
 

The Windows 10 toasts shortcut works but haven't found the one for Firefox notifications.

On 8/4/2020 2:32 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
Those are two completely different things. I know that Firefox has a command to move focus to notifications, and for Windows 10 toasts, press Windows+Shift+V.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Jutzi
Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2020 11:30 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Error when using the latest NVDA Master with the Enhanced Mozilla Add-in

So how do we access those Windows 10 toasts which pop up when connecting drives as well as those Firefox pop-ups notifications?

On 8/4/2020 2:28 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
The app modules Mozilla Enhancements add-on relied on are now gone in NVDA alpha builds as part of a cleanup effort to remove outdated code in NVDA, as these app modules were used in the day when NVDA needed some workarounds to let users use Firefox and Thunderbird more effectively.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Jutzi
Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2020 11:26 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Error when using the latest NVDA Master with the
Enhanced Mozilla Add-in

Sorry if this was previously addressed, but when running both V1.10 of the Mozilla Enhanced add-in and the latest NVDA Master, I am getting an "error in app" when launching Thunderbird and Firefox. I tried both V11 and the newest developer release of the add-in which result in the same error.
Bob









Re: Error when using the latest NVDA Master with the Enhanced Mozilla Add-in

 

Hi,
Those are two completely different things. I know that Firefox has a command to move focus to notifications, and for Windows 10 toasts, press Windows+Shift+V.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Jutzi
Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2020 11:30 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Error when using the latest NVDA Master with the Enhanced Mozilla Add-in

So how do we access those Windows 10 toasts which pop up when connecting drives as well as those Firefox pop-ups notifications?

On 8/4/2020 2:28 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
The app modules Mozilla Enhancements add-on relied on are now gone in NVDA alpha builds as part of a cleanup effort to remove outdated code in NVDA, as these app modules were used in the day when NVDA needed some workarounds to let users use Firefox and Thunderbird more effectively.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Jutzi
Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2020 11:26 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Error when using the latest NVDA Master with the
Enhanced Mozilla Add-in

Sorry if this was previously addressed, but when running both V1.10 of the Mozilla Enhanced add-in and the latest NVDA Master, I am getting an "error in app" when launching Thunderbird and Firefox. I tried both V11 and the newest developer release of the add-in which result in the same error.

Bob







Re: Error when using the latest NVDA Master with the Enhanced Mozilla Add-in

Bob Jutzi
 

So how do we access those Windows 10 toasts which pop up when connecting drives as well as those Firefox pop-ups notifications?

On 8/4/2020 2:28 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
The app modules Mozilla Enhancements add-on relied on are now gone in NVDA alpha builds as part of a cleanup effort to remove outdated code in NVDA, as these app modules were used in the day when NVDA needed some workarounds to let users use Firefox and Thunderbird more effectively.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Jutzi
Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2020 11:26 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Error when using the latest NVDA Master with the Enhanced Mozilla Add-in

Sorry if this was previously addressed, but when running both V1.10 of the Mozilla Enhanced add-in and the latest NVDA Master, I am getting an "error in app" when launching Thunderbird and Firefox. I tried both V11 and the newest developer release of the add-in which result in the same error.

Bob






Re: Error when using the latest NVDA Master with the Enhanced Mozilla Add-in

 

Hi,
The app modules Mozilla Enhancements add-on relied on are now gone in NVDA alpha builds as part of a cleanup effort to remove outdated code in NVDA, as these app modules were used in the day when NVDA needed some workarounds to let users use Firefox and Thunderbird more effectively.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Jutzi
Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2020 11:26 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Error when using the latest NVDA Master with the Enhanced Mozilla Add-in

Sorry if this was previously addressed, but when running both V1.10 of the Mozilla Enhanced add-in and the latest NVDA Master, I am getting an "error in app" when launching Thunderbird and Firefox. I tried both V11 and the newest developer release of the add-in which result in the same error.


Bob



Re: Error when using the latest NVDA Master with the Enhanced Mozilla Add-in

Bob Jutzi
 

Sorry if this was previously addressed, but when running both V1.10 of
the Mozilla Enhanced add-in and the latest NVDA Master, I am getting an
"error in app" when launching Thunderbird and Firefox.  I tried both V11
and the newest developer release of the add-in which result in the same
error.



Bob



Re: Selecting text

Luke Davis
 

On Tue, 4 Aug 2020, Gene wrote:

When you get to the beginning of what you want to select, issue the command NVDA f9. Move to the end of what you want to select and issue the command NVDA f10 quickly. You should hear something indicating that text was selected. To copy text to the clipboard, issue the command twice quickly, not once.
Or install the Classic Selection add-on so you only have to issue it once, like it should be.

Luke


Re: Nvda and multiple reading of subjects in E-mails

Howard Traxler
 

At my house, using thunderbird and NVDA, the subject is read three (and sometimes four) times thense NVDA procedes to read the rest of the story.  When it starts to babble, I silence it then press NVDA plus a to read.  Works fine.

On 8/4/2020 10:04 AM, Jarek.Krcmar wrote:

Hi Brian,

I am using Mozilla Thunderbird, because I can create a rules, while in Windows it isn't possible.


Jarek
Dne 04.08.2020 v 16:37 Brian Vogel napsal(a):
Jarek (and anyone else),

         What e-mail client are you using?   Are you opening your messages in their own windows for reading?

         I know the behavior you're talking about, but I don't think it's the actual subject being read multiple times, but because the subject is also the window title in a message window, that's getting read, followed by the actual subject.  In Outlook 2016, if I open a message sent to me in plain text, and I'll use "Keep Forgetting" as the subject, the window title is "Keep Forgetting - Message (Plain Text)", and the actual Subject entry is just Keep Forgetting.  NVDA starts by reading the window title (much like it would say File Explorer when you are in File Explorer or Mozilla Thunderbird if you were using that client and were in the main window) then immediately repeats itself with only the subject because that's the next item in the reading sequence for a message.  Getting the subject read twice is an artifact of how the window for reading same is set up.  If you're getting more than two times, then I'd have to look at the exact client and how the message is being read to determine if what's in the subject is somehow being presented somewhere that NVDA reads a third time.

--

Brian *-*Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363

*/. . . the presumption of innocence, while essential in the legal realm, does not mean the elimination of common sense outside it.  The willing suspension of disbelief has its limits, or should./*

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Re: Grammarly and NVDA

 

It is completely inaccessible with any screen reader. Your best option would be to change the grammar checker in MS Word to also check for styles, not just grammar. That's the only accessible avenue for grammar checking because all other third party solutions are not screen reader friendly.


Re: Grammarly and NVDA

Greg Wocher
 

Hello,
Unfortunately it is totally inaccessible with any screen reader. 

Greg Wocher


On Aug 4, 2020, at 10:42 AM, ely.r@... wrote:

 
Morning from northeast tornado country,
 
Has anyone tried the program with MS word and used the more advanced features of the Premium version?  If so, might you share your impressions of the good and the bad?
Rick and General, guide dog extraordinaire 


StationPlaylist add-on 20.08 released, a note or two regarding Windows 10 App Essentials 20.08 #addonrelease

 

Hi all,

 

Two important things:

 

StationPlaylist add-on 20.08 is now available. This version mainly includes optimizations and localization updates.

 

Note: if you are using Studio 5.20, you will get a notification after installing add-on 20.08, telling you that the next long-term support (LTS) version will be the last release series to support Studio 5.20. That release series is 20.09.x and it will show up in September.

 

Moving onto Windows 10 App Essentials, a few announcements:

 

In addition to delaying version 20.08 release (until next week) due to a showstopper bug in upcoming Windows 10 Version 20H2 (beta at the moment), the upcoming release will include significant changes to modern keyboard support (emoji panel, clipboard history, dictation, hardware keyboard suggestions, and many others). For many of you, you won’t notice changes, but programmers may notice significant changes regarding how events from modern keyboard interface are tracked. Also, a more efficient way to detect appearance/disappearance of modern keyboard interface (emoji panel, for example) was found, which results in making the code behind this feature more stable and simple. These changes are indeed destined for a future NVDA release.

 

Also, another important thing to remember: Windows 10 App Essentials 20.08 will require NVDA 2020.1 or later (due to add-on support policy), and if the showstopper bug from 20H2 is fixed, it will be the first version to support the upcoming Windows 10 feature update.

 

Enjoy the new add-on releases.

Cheers,

Joseph


NVDA and MathML content, plus Hi from Jay at AC

Jason Timms
 

Hi

My name is Jay Timms,

Wanted to say hi before blasting some questions to the group. Go gentle I am new here.

I am looking for advice on MathML and NVDA. I am working with a student who needs to access Math.

I have material encoded in MathML, have connected to try to load MathPlayer on his computer. He has the latest version of NVDA and Windows 10. I have reinstalled his Office to ensure it is 32 bit.

His material is in MS Word and has been encoded by a Professional service provider known for their ability to encode in MathML.

We can’t seem to get NVDA to speak the content in the book?

Any thoughts?

Also, I have not worked with someone using MathML before, are there other software solutions or format choices that may work better. The student is new to NVDA and MathML so switching file format is not likely an issue as we are starting from the beginning anyway?

Thanks,,

Jay @ AC


Re: NVDA in windows terminal on older Win 10 versions

 

On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 11:36 AM, Ralf Kefferpuetz wrote:
from my experience as bigger a company is as less chances we got to influence the IT department in their decission to go to more recent versions.
-
No argument there.  You have to remember (or if I've never shared it, you will now) that I worked for a major defense contractor, E-Systems (long ago sold several times and now part of Raytheon), AT&T (and they don't get bigger than that), as well as two state agencies in Virginia that are subject to the lunacy that is VITA (Virginia Information Technologies Agency - which wasn't really an agency at all, but  a way for Northrup Grumman to line its pockets, that the state paid $38.5 million to in order to terminate the contract for their miserable `service.`).  I recall using Windows XP for several years after Windows 7 was introduced because of just the sort of nonsense you're referring to.

But no sane IT department is going to keep an out of support version of Windows 10 or want to pay for "beyond extended" support for one that has, at least if they've got leadership with any sense.

It's always worth asking about when the next update is planned, as none of this happens without planning, and even when the update comes, it's usually to a Windows 10 version that is at least one, often two, versions behind the latest one.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

. . . the presumption of innocence, while essential in the legal realm, does not mean the elimination of common sense outside it.  The willing suspension of disbelief has its limits, or should.

 

    ~ Ruth Marcus,  November 10, 2017, in Washington Post article, Bannon is right: It’s no coincidence The Post broke the Moore story

 

 


Re: NVDA in windows terminal on older Win 10 versions

Ralf Kefferpuetz
 

Windows 1809 got an extended support for companies due to Covid19 until May 11, 2021.

The company I’m working for is one of the biggest in the IT industry and we are internally still running Win10 1803 and from my experience as bigger a company is as less chances we got to influence the IT department in their decission to go to more recent versions.

 

Cheers,

  Ralf

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Dienstag, 4. August 2020 16:47
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA in windows terminal on older Win 10 versions

 

Schoepp,

             Have you checked with your organization as to when they will be applying whatever Feature Update they intend to apply next?  Version 1809 is now very old, and is going out of support later this year or May of next for extended support for Enterprise and Educational editions, and I cannot imagine the IT department won't be updating to something significantly more recent.

              In the age of Windows As A Service, it's imperative for developers to keep up with whatever the latest supported versions of Windows 10 are, and when a version is about to go out of support there is no good reason to dedicate resources at that late date.

              I'd be making queries about the next update to Windows 10 on these centrally administered machines, as any changes to NVDA to support version 1809 at this late date would be highly unlikely.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

. . . the presumption of innocence, while essential in the legal realm, does not mean the elimination of common sense outside it.  The willing suspension of disbelief has its limits, or should.

 

    ~ Ruth Marcus,  November 10, 2017, in Washington Post article, Bannon is right: It’s no coincidence The Post broke the Moore story

 

 


Re: Nvda and multiple reading of subjects in E-mails

 

On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 11:04 AM, Jarek.Krcmar wrote:
I am using Mozilla Thunderbird, because I can create a rules, while in Windows it isn't possible.
What isn't possible?   And how would the creation of rules be relevant to anything?

It's impossible to give accurate advice with moving goal posts and the introduction of unrelated variables.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

. . . the presumption of innocence, while essential in the legal realm, does not mean the elimination of common sense outside it.  The willing suspension of disbelief has its limits, or should.

 

    ~ Ruth Marcus,  November 10, 2017, in Washington Post article, Bannon is right: It’s no coincidence The Post broke the Moore story

 

 


Re: Nvda and multiple reading of subjects in E-mails

Jarek.Krcmar
 

Hi Brian,

I am using Mozilla Thunderbird, because I can create a rules, while in Windows it isn't possible.


Jarek
Dne 04.08.2020 v 16:37 Brian Vogel napsal(a):

Jarek (and anyone else),

         What e-mail client are you using?   Are you opening your messages in their own windows for reading?

         I know the behavior you're talking about, but I don't think it's the actual subject being read multiple times, but because the subject is also the window title in a message window, that's getting read, followed by the actual subject.   In Outlook 2016, if I open a message sent to me in plain text, and I'll use "Keep Forgetting" as the subject, the window title is "Keep Forgetting - Message (Plain Text)", and the actual Subject entry is just Keep Forgetting.  NVDA starts by reading the window title (much like it would say File Explorer when you are in File Explorer or Mozilla Thunderbird if you were using that client and were in the main window) then immediately repeats itself with only the subject because that's the next item in the reading sequence for a message.  Getting the subject read twice is an artifact of how the window for reading same is set up.  If you're getting more than two times, then I'd have to look at the exact client and how the message is being read to determine if what's in the subject is somehow being presented somewhere that NVDA reads a third time.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

. . . the presumption of innocence, while essential in the legal realm, does not mean the elimination of common sense outside it.  The willing suspension of disbelief has its limits, or should.

 

    ~ Ruth Marcus,  November 10, 2017, in Washington Post article, Bannon is right: It’s no coincidence The Post broke the Moore story

 

 


Re: Nvda and multiple reading of subjects in E-mails

Gene
 

I'm not sure what you want to do. Do you use read to end when reading mail or just down arrow through the entire message? You can use the read to end command to both stop unwanted repetition and begin reading the message body.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Jarek.Krcmar
Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2020 9:24 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Nvda and multiple reading of subjects in E-mails

Hi Gene and other.

Thank you for the answer.

So I use down arrow for stopping the multiple reading of subjects.


Jarek

Dne 03.08.2020 v 9:08 Jarek Krcmar napsal(a):
Hello all,

I have a long time a problem with Nvda.

It several times reads subjects in Emails.

Is possible to set Nvda, for reading of a subject once only?

Sincerely


Re: NVDA in windows terminal on older Win 10 versions

 

Schoepp,

             Have you checked with your organization as to when they will be applying whatever Feature Update they intend to apply next?  Version 1809 is now very old, and is going out of support later this year or May of next for extended support for Enterprise and Educational editions, and I cannot imagine the IT department won't be updating to something significantly more recent.

              In the age of Windows As A Service, it's imperative for developers to keep up with whatever the latest supported versions of Windows 10 are, and when a version is about to go out of support there is no good reason to dedicate resources at that late date.

              I'd be making queries about the next update to Windows 10 on these centrally administered machines, as any changes to NVDA to support version 1809 at this late date would be highly unlikely.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

. . . the presumption of innocence, while essential in the legal realm, does not mean the elimination of common sense outside it.  The willing suspension of disbelief has its limits, or should.

 

    ~ Ruth Marcus,  November 10, 2017, in Washington Post article, Bannon is right: It’s no coincidence The Post broke the Moore story

 

 


Grammarly and NVDA

ely.r@...
 

 

Morning from northeast tornado country,

 

Has anyone tried the program with MS word and used the more advanced features of the Premium version?  If so, might you share your impressions of the good and the bad?

Rick and General, guide dog extraordinaire


Re: New Book Available on Browsing the Web with Screen Reader Programs

 

hello.
can i contact you off list about the book?

On 8/4/20, David Kingsbury <davidkingsbury77@...> wrote:
Hi Rosemarie,

This book is published by the Carroll Center for the Blind, not NBP.

David



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