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Re: Grammarly and NVDA

Greg Wocher
 

Hello,
Unfortunately it is totally inaccessible with any screen reader. 

Greg Wocher


On Aug 4, 2020, at 10:42 AM, ely.r@... wrote:

 
Morning from northeast tornado country,
 
Has anyone tried the program with MS word and used the more advanced features of the Premium version?  If so, might you share your impressions of the good and the bad?
Rick and General, guide dog extraordinaire 


StationPlaylist add-on 20.08 released, a note or two regarding Windows 10 App Essentials 20.08 #addonrelease

 

Hi all,

 

Two important things:

 

StationPlaylist add-on 20.08 is now available. This version mainly includes optimizations and localization updates.

 

Note: if you are using Studio 5.20, you will get a notification after installing add-on 20.08, telling you that the next long-term support (LTS) version will be the last release series to support Studio 5.20. That release series is 20.09.x and it will show up in September.

 

Moving onto Windows 10 App Essentials, a few announcements:

 

In addition to delaying version 20.08 release (until next week) due to a showstopper bug in upcoming Windows 10 Version 20H2 (beta at the moment), the upcoming release will include significant changes to modern keyboard support (emoji panel, clipboard history, dictation, hardware keyboard suggestions, and many others). For many of you, you won’t notice changes, but programmers may notice significant changes regarding how events from modern keyboard interface are tracked. Also, a more efficient way to detect appearance/disappearance of modern keyboard interface (emoji panel, for example) was found, which results in making the code behind this feature more stable and simple. These changes are indeed destined for a future NVDA release.

 

Also, another important thing to remember: Windows 10 App Essentials 20.08 will require NVDA 2020.1 or later (due to add-on support policy), and if the showstopper bug from 20H2 is fixed, it will be the first version to support the upcoming Windows 10 feature update.

 

Enjoy the new add-on releases.

Cheers,

Joseph


NVDA and MathML content, plus Hi from Jay at AC

Jason Timms
 

Hi

My name is Jay Timms,

Wanted to say hi before blasting some questions to the group. Go gentle I am new here.

I am looking for advice on MathML and NVDA. I am working with a student who needs to access Math.

I have material encoded in MathML, have connected to try to load MathPlayer on his computer. He has the latest version of NVDA and Windows 10. I have reinstalled his Office to ensure it is 32 bit.

His material is in MS Word and has been encoded by a Professional service provider known for their ability to encode in MathML.

We can’t seem to get NVDA to speak the content in the book?

Any thoughts?

Also, I have not worked with someone using MathML before, are there other software solutions or format choices that may work better. The student is new to NVDA and MathML so switching file format is not likely an issue as we are starting from the beginning anyway?

Thanks,,

Jay @ AC


Re: NVDA in windows terminal on older Win 10 versions

 

On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 11:36 AM, Ralf Kefferpuetz wrote:
from my experience as bigger a company is as less chances we got to influence the IT department in their decission to go to more recent versions.
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No argument there.  You have to remember (or if I've never shared it, you will now) that I worked for a major defense contractor, E-Systems (long ago sold several times and now part of Raytheon), AT&T (and they don't get bigger than that), as well as two state agencies in Virginia that are subject to the lunacy that is VITA (Virginia Information Technologies Agency - which wasn't really an agency at all, but  a way for Northrup Grumman to line its pockets, that the state paid $38.5 million to in order to terminate the contract for their miserable `service.`).  I recall using Windows XP for several years after Windows 7 was introduced because of just the sort of nonsense you're referring to.

But no sane IT department is going to keep an out of support version of Windows 10 or want to pay for "beyond extended" support for one that has, at least if they've got leadership with any sense.

It's always worth asking about when the next update is planned, as none of this happens without planning, and even when the update comes, it's usually to a Windows 10 version that is at least one, often two, versions behind the latest one.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

. . . the presumption of innocence, while essential in the legal realm, does not mean the elimination of common sense outside it.  The willing suspension of disbelief has its limits, or should.

 

    ~ Ruth Marcus,  November 10, 2017, in Washington Post article, Bannon is right: It’s no coincidence The Post broke the Moore story

 

 


Re: NVDA in windows terminal on older Win 10 versions

Ralf Kefferpuetz
 

Windows 1809 got an extended support for companies due to Covid19 until May 11, 2021.

The company I’m working for is one of the biggest in the IT industry and we are internally still running Win10 1803 and from my experience as bigger a company is as less chances we got to influence the IT department in their decission to go to more recent versions.

 

Cheers,

  Ralf

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Dienstag, 4. August 2020 16:47
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA in windows terminal on older Win 10 versions

 

Schoepp,

             Have you checked with your organization as to when they will be applying whatever Feature Update they intend to apply next?  Version 1809 is now very old, and is going out of support later this year or May of next for extended support for Enterprise and Educational editions, and I cannot imagine the IT department won't be updating to something significantly more recent.

              In the age of Windows As A Service, it's imperative for developers to keep up with whatever the latest supported versions of Windows 10 are, and when a version is about to go out of support there is no good reason to dedicate resources at that late date.

              I'd be making queries about the next update to Windows 10 on these centrally administered machines, as any changes to NVDA to support version 1809 at this late date would be highly unlikely.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

. . . the presumption of innocence, while essential in the legal realm, does not mean the elimination of common sense outside it.  The willing suspension of disbelief has its limits, or should.

 

    ~ Ruth Marcus,  November 10, 2017, in Washington Post article, Bannon is right: It’s no coincidence The Post broke the Moore story

 

 


Re: Nvda and multiple reading of subjects in E-mails

 

On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 11:04 AM, Jarek.Krcmar wrote:
I am using Mozilla Thunderbird, because I can create a rules, while in Windows it isn't possible.
What isn't possible?   And how would the creation of rules be relevant to anything?

It's impossible to give accurate advice with moving goal posts and the introduction of unrelated variables.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

. . . the presumption of innocence, while essential in the legal realm, does not mean the elimination of common sense outside it.  The willing suspension of disbelief has its limits, or should.

 

    ~ Ruth Marcus,  November 10, 2017, in Washington Post article, Bannon is right: It’s no coincidence The Post broke the Moore story

 

 


Re: Nvda and multiple reading of subjects in E-mails

Jarek.Krcmar
 

Hi Brian,

I am using Mozilla Thunderbird, because I can create a rules, while in Windows it isn't possible.


Jarek
Dne 04.08.2020 v 16:37 Brian Vogel napsal(a):

Jarek (and anyone else),

         What e-mail client are you using?   Are you opening your messages in their own windows for reading?

         I know the behavior you're talking about, but I don't think it's the actual subject being read multiple times, but because the subject is also the window title in a message window, that's getting read, followed by the actual subject.   In Outlook 2016, if I open a message sent to me in plain text, and I'll use "Keep Forgetting" as the subject, the window title is "Keep Forgetting - Message (Plain Text)", and the actual Subject entry is just Keep Forgetting.  NVDA starts by reading the window title (much like it would say File Explorer when you are in File Explorer or Mozilla Thunderbird if you were using that client and were in the main window) then immediately repeats itself with only the subject because that's the next item in the reading sequence for a message.  Getting the subject read twice is an artifact of how the window for reading same is set up.  If you're getting more than two times, then I'd have to look at the exact client and how the message is being read to determine if what's in the subject is somehow being presented somewhere that NVDA reads a third time.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

. . . the presumption of innocence, while essential in the legal realm, does not mean the elimination of common sense outside it.  The willing suspension of disbelief has its limits, or should.

 

    ~ Ruth Marcus,  November 10, 2017, in Washington Post article, Bannon is right: It’s no coincidence The Post broke the Moore story

 

 


Re: Nvda and multiple reading of subjects in E-mails

Gene
 

I'm not sure what you want to do. Do you use read to end when reading mail or just down arrow through the entire message? You can use the read to end command to both stop unwanted repetition and begin reading the message body.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Jarek.Krcmar
Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2020 9:24 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Nvda and multiple reading of subjects in E-mails

Hi Gene and other.

Thank you for the answer.

So I use down arrow for stopping the multiple reading of subjects.


Jarek

Dne 03.08.2020 v 9:08 Jarek Krcmar napsal(a):
Hello all,

I have a long time a problem with Nvda.

It several times reads subjects in Emails.

Is possible to set Nvda, for reading of a subject once only?

Sincerely


Re: NVDA in windows terminal on older Win 10 versions

 

Schoepp,

             Have you checked with your organization as to when they will be applying whatever Feature Update they intend to apply next?  Version 1809 is now very old, and is going out of support later this year or May of next for extended support for Enterprise and Educational editions, and I cannot imagine the IT department won't be updating to something significantly more recent.

              In the age of Windows As A Service, it's imperative for developers to keep up with whatever the latest supported versions of Windows 10 are, and when a version is about to go out of support there is no good reason to dedicate resources at that late date.

              I'd be making queries about the next update to Windows 10 on these centrally administered machines, as any changes to NVDA to support version 1809 at this late date would be highly unlikely.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

. . . the presumption of innocence, while essential in the legal realm, does not mean the elimination of common sense outside it.  The willing suspension of disbelief has its limits, or should.

 

    ~ Ruth Marcus,  November 10, 2017, in Washington Post article, Bannon is right: It’s no coincidence The Post broke the Moore story

 

 


Grammarly and NVDA

ely.r@...
 

 

Morning from northeast tornado country,

 

Has anyone tried the program with MS word and used the more advanced features of the Premium version?  If so, might you share your impressions of the good and the bad?

Rick and General, guide dog extraordinaire


Re: New Book Available on Browsing the Web with Screen Reader Programs

 

hello.
can i contact you off list about the book?

On 8/4/20, David Kingsbury <davidkingsbury77@...> wrote:
Hi Rosemarie,

This book is published by the Carroll Center for the Blind, not NBP.

David



--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali


Re: Nvda and multiple reading of subjects in E-mails

 

Jarek (and anyone else),

         What e-mail client are you using?   Are you opening your messages in their own windows for reading?

         I know the behavior you're talking about, but I don't think it's the actual subject being read multiple times, but because the subject is also the window title in a message window, that's getting read, followed by the actual subject.   In Outlook 2016, if I open a message sent to me in plain text, and I'll use "Keep Forgetting" as the subject, the window title is "Keep Forgetting - Message (Plain Text)", and the actual Subject entry is just Keep Forgetting.  NVDA starts by reading the window title (much like it would say File Explorer when you are in File Explorer or Mozilla Thunderbird if you were using that client and were in the main window) then immediately repeats itself with only the subject because that's the next item in the reading sequence for a message.  Getting the subject read twice is an artifact of how the window for reading same is set up.  If you're getting more than two times, then I'd have to look at the exact client and how the message is being read to determine if what's in the subject is somehow being presented somewhere that NVDA reads a third time.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

. . . the presumption of innocence, while essential in the legal realm, does not mean the elimination of common sense outside it.  The willing suspension of disbelief has its limits, or should.

 

    ~ Ruth Marcus,  November 10, 2017, in Washington Post article, Bannon is right: It’s no coincidence The Post broke the Moore story

 

 


Re: Nvda and multiple reading of subjects in E-mails

Jarek.Krcmar
 

Hi Gene and other.

Thank you for the answer.

So I use down arrow for stopping the multiple reading of subjects.


Jarek

Dne 03.08.2020 v 9:08 Jarek Krcmar napsal(a):

Hello all,

I have a long time a problem with Nvda.

It several times reads subjects in Emails.

Is possible to set Nvda, for reading of a subject once only?

Sincerely


Re: Selecting text

Jonathan Milam
 

Thanks, Gene. I think this is what I'm looking for.

Jonathan

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2020 10:18 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Selecting text

I don't know if this works in all browsers that support browse mode. it
does work in some.
I am using movement commands for the desktop keyboard layout.

Be in object review.
Use numpad 4 and 6 by themselves. 4 will move back and 6 will move forward.
You are moving by word. To move by line, use 7 and 9. To move by letter,
use 1 and 3.
When you get to the beginning of what you want to select, issue the command
NVDA f9. Move to the end of what you want to select and issue the command
NVDA f10 quickly. You should hear something indicating that text was
selected. To copy text to the clipboard, issue the command twice quickly,
not once.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Jonathan Milam
Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2020 8:48 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Selecting text



Hi All,



I am testing a web application called “Hypothesis” and need to be able to
select text while in browse mode, separate from the caret. Is there a way
of selecting text with NVDA in one of its object modes so that I can have
the main browser cursor elsewhere?



Thanks,

Jonathan


Re: Selecting text

Gene
 

I don't know if this works in all browsers that support browse mode. it does work in some.
I am using movement commands for the desktop keyboard layout.

Be in object review.
Use numpad 4 and 6 by themselves. 4 will move back and 6 will move forward. You are moving by word. To move by line, use 7 and 9. To move by letter, use 1 and 3.
When you get to the beginning of what you want to select, issue the command NVDA f9. Move to the end of what you want to select and issue the command NVDA f10 quickly. You should hear something indicating that text was selected. To copy text to the clipboard, issue the command twice quickly, not once.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Jonathan Milam
Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2020 8:48 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Selecting text



Hi All,



I am testing a web application called “Hypothesis” and need to be able to select text while in browse mode, separate from the caret. Is there a way of selecting text with NVDA in one of its object modes so that I can have the main browser cursor elsewhere?



Thanks,

Jonathan


Re: New Book Available on Browsing the Web with Screen Reader Programs

David Kingsbury
 

Hi Rosemarie,

 

This book is published by the Carroll Center for the Blind, not NBP.

 

David


Selecting text

Jonathan Milam
 

Hi All,

 

I am testing a web application called “Hypothesis” and need to be able to select text while in browse mode, separate from the caret.  Is there a way of selecting text with NVDA in one of its object modes so that I can have the main browser cursor elsewhere?

 

Thanks,

Jonathan

 


NVDA in windows terminal on older Win 10 versions

Christian Schoepplein
 

Hi,

I have to use Windows 10 version 1809 on my laptop for my job. With this version I have problems to use the windows terminal. I can't e.g. not read file listings.

On my private laptop with Windows 10 version 2004 installed I do not have those problems.

On both systems the current stable version of NVDA is installed, NVDA 2020.2.

Is it possible to improve the support of windows text console on my old system on my working laptop somehow? I don't know when a newer version of Windows 10 will be rolled out, so a workaround for Windows 1809 would be great.

Cheers and thanks for any hint,

Schoepp


Re: changing a language setting in NVDA

Tony Ballou
 

On 8/4/2020 12:55 AM, Jackie wrote:
Hello, Tony.
1) Press NVDA+ctrl+g to access the general settings dialog.
2) At this point, you're in a dropdown list. Hit home, then type e for english.
3) Shift tab twice to 'apply' & activate the button.
4) You'll be asked to restart. If you hit enter, NVDA will restart &
your changes should take effect permanently.

On 8/3/20, Tony Ballou <cyberpro224@...> wrote:
Hi, log on screen enverything speaks in english.  However after

While setting up NVDA on my desktop, a strange thing happened. At the
log in screen everything is in english.  However, when the program
loads, it comes up speaking in Vietnamese.  How do you change the
settting back to english.


Tony




Hey Jackie,


Got it!  Thank you.  All;s grits and gravy.!


Tony


Re: changing a language setting in NVDA

 

nvda groups.io username send me 

On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 11:49 AM zahra <nasrinkhaksar3@...> wrote:
Hi.
dont forget to save your desired settings with nvda control c


On 8/4/20, Tony Ballou <cyberpro224@...> wrote:
> Hi, log on screen enverything speaks in english.  However after
>
> While setting up NVDA on my desktop, a strange thing happened. At the
> log in screen everything is in english.  However, when the program
> loads, it comes up speaking in Vietnamese.  How do you change the
> settting back to english.
>
>
> Tony
>
>
>
>
>


--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali