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Re: Error when using the latest NVDA Master with the Enhanced Mozilla Add-in

Bob Jutzi
 

Already tried F6 to drop me in the address bar, then tabbing over to the
notifications which didn't work so will just listen to the screen as
suggested.  Thanks.

On 8/4/2020 5:18 PM, Gene wrote:
Until you find the command, try using f6.  You will move through
different parts of the window such as to the address bar, and perhaps
to other parts including, I hope the notification.  Also, if you let
the full notification read when it starts, you will hear, at the end,
shortcuts to do what is offered.  Listen very carefully for such
information.  You may hear something like download, when you get an
update message, followed by control d and then not now, control n. 
I'm not saying these are the actual commands, but they are examples of
the kind of things you will hear.  This means I usually don't have to
look for the message, which is one reason I am giving you the f6 key
as a guess since I so seldom need to look for the message...

I've done quite a bit of searching out of curiosity since seeing your
message but I haven't found the command.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Jutzi
Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2020 2:06 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Error when using the latest NVDA Master with the
Enhanced Mozilla Add-in

The Windows 10 toasts shortcut works but haven't found the one for
Firefox notifications.

On 8/4/2020 2:32 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
Those are two completely different things. I know that Firefox has a
command to move focus to notifications, and for Windows 10 toasts,
press Windows+Shift+V.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Jutzi
Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2020 11:30 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Error when using the latest NVDA Master with the
Enhanced Mozilla Add-in

So how do we access those Windows 10 toasts which pop up when
connecting drives as well as those Firefox pop-ups notifications?

On 8/4/2020 2:28 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
The app modules Mozilla Enhancements add-on relied on are now gone
in NVDA alpha builds as part of a cleanup effort to remove outdated
code in NVDA, as these app modules were used in the day when NVDA
needed some workarounds to let users use Firefox and Thunderbird
more effectively.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Jutzi
Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2020 11:26 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Error when using the latest NVDA Master with the
Enhanced Mozilla Add-in

Sorry if this was previously addressed, but when running both V1.10
of the Mozilla Enhanced add-in and the latest NVDA Master, I am
getting an "error in app" when launching Thunderbird and Firefox.  I
tried both V11 and the newest developer release of the add-in which
result in the same error.
Bob
Re: Error when using the latest NVDA Master with the Enhanced Mozilla Add-in

Gene
 

Until you find the command, try using f6. You will move through different parts of the window such as to the address bar, and perhaps to other parts including, I hope the notification. Also, if you let the full notification read when it starts, you will hear, at the end, shortcuts to do what is offered. Listen very carefully for such information. You may hear something like download, when you get an update message, followed by control d and then not now, control n. I'm not saying these are the actual commands, but they are examples of the kind of things you will hear. This means I usually don't have to look for the message, which is one reason I am giving you the f6 key as a guess since I so seldom need to look for the message...

I've done quite a bit of searching out of curiosity since seeing your message but I haven't found the command.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Jutzi
Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2020 2:06 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Error when using the latest NVDA Master with the Enhanced Mozilla Add-in

The Windows 10 toasts shortcut works but haven't found the one for
Firefox notifications.

On 8/4/2020 2:32 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
Those are two completely different things. I know that Firefox has a command to move focus to notifications, and for Windows 10 toasts, press Windows+Shift+V.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Jutzi
Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2020 11:30 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Error when using the latest NVDA Master with the Enhanced Mozilla Add-in

So how do we access those Windows 10 toasts which pop up when connecting drives as well as those Firefox pop-ups notifications?

On 8/4/2020 2:28 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
The app modules Mozilla Enhancements add-on relied on are now gone in NVDA alpha builds as part of a cleanup effort to remove outdated code in NVDA, as these app modules were used in the day when NVDA needed some workarounds to let users use Firefox and Thunderbird more effectively.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Jutzi
Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2020 11:26 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Error when using the latest NVDA Master with the
Enhanced Mozilla Add-in

Sorry if this was previously addressed, but when running both V1.10 of the Mozilla Enhanced add-in and the latest NVDA Master, I am getting an "error in app" when launching Thunderbird and Firefox. I tried both V11 and the newest developer release of the add-in which result in the same error.
Bob
Re: Nvda and multiple reading of subjects in E-mails

Gene
 

You don't have to silence speech. Pressing a command or any key or combination silences previous speech and then takes the action of the key or combination. Using a key like control silences speech just as any key or combination does but the point of doing so is to stop speech and not take another action as control takes no other action when used by itself.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Howard Traxler
Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2020 12:41 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Nvda and multiple reading of subjects in E-mails

At my house, using thunderbird and NVDA, the subject is read three (and
sometimes four) times thense NVDA procedes to read the rest of the
story. When it starts to babble, I silence it then press NVDA plus a to
read. Works fine.


On 8/4/2020 10:04 AM, Jarek.Krcmar wrote:

Hi Brian,

I am using Mozilla Thunderbird, because I can create a rules, while in Windows it isn't possible.


Jarek
Dne 04.08.2020 v 16:37 Brian Vogel napsal(a):
Jarek (and anyone else),

What e-mail client are you using? Are you opening your messages in their own windows for reading?

I know the behavior you're talking about, but I don't think it's the actual subject being read multiple times, but because the subject is also the window title in a message window, that's getting read, followed by the actual subject. In Outlook 2016, if I open a message sent to me in plain text, and I'll use "Keep Forgetting" as the subject, the window title is "Keep Forgetting - Message (Plain Text)", and the actual Subject entry is just Keep Forgetting. NVDA starts by reading the window title (much like it would say File Explorer when you are in File Explorer or Mozilla Thunderbird if you were using that client and were in the main window) then immediately repeats itself with only the subject because that's the next item in the reading sequence for a message. Getting the subject read twice is an artifact of how the window for reading same is set up. If you're getting more than two times, then I'd have to look at the exact client and how the message is being read to determine if what's in the subject is somehow being presented somewhere that NVDA reads a third time.

--

Brian *-*Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363

*/. . . the presumption of innocence, while essential in the legal realm, does not mean the elimination of common sense outside it. The willing suspension of disbelief has its limits, or should./*

~ /Ruth Marcus/, November 10, 2017, in /Washington Post/ article/, //Bannon is right: It’s no coincidence The Post broke the Moore story/ <https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/bannon-is-right-its-no-coincidence-the-post-broke-the-moore-story/2017/11/10/50e485c4-c662-11e7-84bc-5e285c7f4512_story.html>
Re: NVDA in windows terminal on older Win 10 versions

Shaun Everiss
 

Hmmm I understand that.

I co manage a website, for ages and ages, there have been ahcks and the like.

While I was able to fix a few things, and while something sql only took a week, its taken over a year just to get the system updated to the latest php 7.48, and to be honest I wasn't even expecting that.

And then it was done without warning of any kind.

It had 7.2 installed, and I was hoping at least 7.3 but they put it to the latest which seems to be automatically installing itself which is fine.

Its all cash I guess.

At the university I work with, the main super mainframes still run windows xp.

They can't afford to update these, because it cost millions to install the entire load of them, and the extra equipment for the projects and such and its going to cost millions more to upgrade all the hardware.

They have compromised with vms on win10  but they still complain.

A while ago I made the push at some expence to at least have something that didn't need an old os.

The last push was to get rid of some older software that I didn't need but which had worked but still.

I am always making sure I have the latest because I always get the latest supporting software.

Its really risky, but I prefer to fail, and have to reinstall everything and complain about it then than to field complaints from my users.

I really don't like being in the back seat.

I know its probably a pritty bad position to do but I have to many users forgetting their logins, installing malware by mistake and screwing up commands to have to be bundled with updates as well.

I usually try to have the latest installed or as much as I can before its needed so when it is I don't need to field complaints from busy users.

The only thing that does throw me is when I go to upgrade some hardware or software and that thing either is different or doesn't exist as it did before meaning I need to do upskilling and such at once.

I need to help a user fix a remote network issue and well if my own solutions do not work will have to get them the added hardware which will be different.

By chance I have the same component, so I could probably just give them my hardware and have the excuse to upgrade to something a bit better.



On 5/08/2020 3:50 am, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 11:36 AM, Ralf Kefferpuetz wrote:
from my experience as bigger a company is as less chances we got to influence the IT department in their decission to go to more recent versions.
-
No argument there.  You have to remember (or if I've never shared it, you will now) that I worked for a major defense contractor, E-Systems (long ago sold several times and now part of Raytheon), AT&T (and they don't get bigger than that), as well as two state agencies in Virginia that are subject to the lunacy that is VITA (Virginia Information Technologies Agency - which wasn't really an agency at all, but  a way for Northrup Grumman to line its pockets, that the state paid $38.5 million to in order to terminate the contract for their miserable `service.`).  I recall using Windows XP for several years after Windows 7 was introduced because of just the sort of nonsense you're referring to.

But no sane IT department is going to keep an out of support version of Windows 10 or want to pay for "beyond extended" support for one that has, at least if they've got leadership with any sense.

It's always worth asking about when the next update is planned, as none of this happens without planning, and even when the update comes, it's usually to a Windows 10 version that is at least one, often two, versions behind the latest one.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

. . . the presumption of innocence, while essential in the legal realm, does not mean the elimination of common sense outside it.  The willing suspension of disbelief has its limits, or should.

 

    ~ Ruth Marcus,  November 10, 2017, in Washington Post article, Bannon is right: It’s no coincidence The Post broke the Moore story

 

 
Re: NVDA in windows terminal on older Win 10 versions

Shaun Everiss
 

Well you can simply tell your company that you can not do your job properly without upgrading to the latest version of windows.

Even if that only gets you 1909 or 1903 or whatever you simply will have to say that.

If you don't get this, either ask to do the work on your own system or if not say you may have no choice but to bring your personal computer to do your job.

That may get a rise out of em.

I have gotten to that point with some places I have done some work with them.

Basically I had to do something in something which wasn't accessible and told my bosses I would then have to take my system to their place and connect to their secured network that does not allow personal computers to connect to.

Not without rewriting everything that is.

They eventually  saw my point.

I know my brother himself an enginier working in a company, has systems that need well access to certain things on older systems and runs vmware images of things.

Point is, no one will want you to have your personal system on a locked down company network.

It will be easier for them to fix their problem in house.

On the other hand if they refuse who knows.

Not sure about the remote stuff for various things, but you never know.

In my day a few years before covid, that was not possible but they may just do that now.

My brother is working at a big company and they seem to be entertained with a work from home at least in part via remote workstation of the company.

It certainly means you have a extra time to do a few chores while working.

If this virus has improved things it is that companies seem to be happier about people working away from any office, and in fact as long as you have net access you can work anywhere you want.

And while I don't work in a company as such I can work from home, excercise, go out and enjoy life and can still work while listening to my cds, digital collection or my spotify enabled stereo while drinking coffee and eating home cooked meals.



On 5/08/2020 3:35 am, Ralf Kefferpuetz wrote:

Windows 1809 got an extended support for companies due to Covid19 until May 11, 2021.

The company I’m working for is one of the biggest in the IT industry and we are internally still running Win10 1803 and from my experience as bigger a company is as less chances we got to influence the IT department in their decission to go to more recent versions.

 

Cheers,

  Ralf

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Dienstag, 4. August 2020 16:47
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA in windows terminal on older Win 10 versions

 

Schoepp,

             Have you checked with your organization as to when they will be applying whatever Feature Update they intend to apply next?  Version 1809 is now very old, and is going out of support later this year or May of next for extended support for Enterprise and Educational editions, and I cannot imagine the IT department won't be updating to something significantly more recent.

              In the age of Windows As A Service, it's imperative for developers to keep up with whatever the latest supported versions of Windows 10 are, and when a version is about to go out of support there is no good reason to dedicate resources at that late date.

              I'd be making queries about the next update to Windows 10 on these centrally administered machines, as any changes to NVDA to support version 1809 at this late date would be highly unlikely.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

. . . the presumption of innocence, while essential in the legal realm, does not mean the elimination of common sense outside it.  The willing suspension of disbelief has its limits, or should.

 

    ~ Ruth Marcus,  November 10, 2017, in Washington Post article, Bannon is right: It’s no coincidence The Post broke the Moore story

 

 
Re: NVDA in windows terminal on older Win 10 versions

Shaun Everiss
 

Well why don't you ask your it people to upgrade you to 2004, I am sure others will be getting the next version upgrade.

On 4/08/2020 11:23 pm, Christian Schoepplein wrote:
Hi,

I have to use Windows 10 version 1809 on my laptop for my job. With this version I have problems to use the windows terminal. I can't e.g. not read file listings.

On my private laptop with Windows 10 version 2004 installed I do not have those problems.

On both systems the current stable version of NVDA is installed, NVDA 2020.2.

Is it possible to improve the support of windows text console on my old system on my working laptop somehow? I don't know when a newer version of Windows 10 will be rolled out, so a workaround for Windows 1809 would be great.

Cheers and thanks for any hint,

  Schoepp


.
Re: NVDA and MathML content, plus Hi from Jay at AC

Sean
 

I did not know that MathML can be read in a format such as Word or PDF.

If I am going to write math formulas, I use matjax.
When I move the cursor on  the formula, I press NVDA+ALT+M. This creates a virtual cursor  for me to study math content.

And I use Chrome.

On 04/08/2020 19:04, Jason Timms wrote:

Hi

My name is Jay Timms,

Wanted to say hi before blasting some questions to the group. Go gentle I am new here.

I am looking for advice on MathML and NVDA. I am working with a student who needs to access Math.

I have material encoded in MathML, have connected to try to load MathPlayer on his computer. He has the latest version of NVDA and Windows 10. I have reinstalled his Office to ensure it is 32 bit.

His material is in MS Word and has been encoded by a Professional service provider known for their ability to encode in MathML.

We can’t seem to get NVDA to speak the content in the book?

Any thoughts?

Also, I have not worked with someone using MathML before, are there other software solutions or format choices that may work better. The student is new to NVDA and MathML so switching file format is not likely an issue as we are starting from the beginning anyway?

Thanks,,

Jay @ AC

--

Sean

👨‍🦯 I’m programmer. I coding often Python, sometimes Go and rarely C++.

Re: Error when using the latest NVDA Master with the Enhanced Mozilla Add-in

Bob Jutzi
 

The Windows 10 toasts shortcut works but haven't found the one for Firefox notifications.

On 8/4/2020 2:32 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
Those are two completely different things. I know that Firefox has a command to move focus to notifications, and for Windows 10 toasts, press Windows+Shift+V.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Jutzi
Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2020 11:30 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Error when using the latest NVDA Master with the Enhanced Mozilla Add-in

So how do we access those Windows 10 toasts which pop up when connecting drives as well as those Firefox pop-ups notifications?

On 8/4/2020 2:28 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
The app modules Mozilla Enhancements add-on relied on are now gone in NVDA alpha builds as part of a cleanup effort to remove outdated code in NVDA, as these app modules were used in the day when NVDA needed some workarounds to let users use Firefox and Thunderbird more effectively.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Jutzi
Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2020 11:26 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Error when using the latest NVDA Master with the
Enhanced Mozilla Add-in

Sorry if this was previously addressed, but when running both V1.10 of the Mozilla Enhanced add-in and the latest NVDA Master, I am getting an "error in app" when launching Thunderbird and Firefox. I tried both V11 and the newest developer release of the add-in which result in the same error.
Bob
Re: Error when using the latest NVDA Master with the Enhanced Mozilla Add-in

Joseph Lee
 

Hi,
Those are two completely different things. I know that Firefox has a command to move focus to notifications, and for Windows 10 toasts, press Windows+Shift+V.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Jutzi
Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2020 11:30 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Error when using the latest NVDA Master with the Enhanced Mozilla Add-in

So how do we access those Windows 10 toasts which pop up when connecting drives as well as those Firefox pop-ups notifications?

On 8/4/2020 2:28 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
The app modules Mozilla Enhancements add-on relied on are now gone in NVDA alpha builds as part of a cleanup effort to remove outdated code in NVDA, as these app modules were used in the day when NVDA needed some workarounds to let users use Firefox and Thunderbird more effectively.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Jutzi
Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2020 11:26 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Error when using the latest NVDA Master with the
Enhanced Mozilla Add-in

Sorry if this was previously addressed, but when running both V1.10 of the Mozilla Enhanced add-in and the latest NVDA Master, I am getting an "error in app" when launching Thunderbird and Firefox. I tried both V11 and the newest developer release of the add-in which result in the same error.

Bob
Re: Error when using the latest NVDA Master with the Enhanced Mozilla Add-in

Bob Jutzi
 

So how do we access those Windows 10 toasts which pop up when connecting drives as well as those Firefox pop-ups notifications?

On 8/4/2020 2:28 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
The app modules Mozilla Enhancements add-on relied on are now gone in NVDA alpha builds as part of a cleanup effort to remove outdated code in NVDA, as these app modules were used in the day when NVDA needed some workarounds to let users use Firefox and Thunderbird more effectively.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Jutzi
Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2020 11:26 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Error when using the latest NVDA Master with the Enhanced Mozilla Add-in

Sorry if this was previously addressed, but when running both V1.10 of the Mozilla Enhanced add-in and the latest NVDA Master, I am getting an "error in app" when launching Thunderbird and Firefox. I tried both V11 and the newest developer release of the add-in which result in the same error.

Bob
Re: Error when using the latest NVDA Master with the Enhanced Mozilla Add-in

Joseph Lee
 

Hi,
The app modules Mozilla Enhancements add-on relied on are now gone in NVDA alpha builds as part of a cleanup effort to remove outdated code in NVDA, as these app modules were used in the day when NVDA needed some workarounds to let users use Firefox and Thunderbird more effectively.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Jutzi
Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2020 11:26 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Error when using the latest NVDA Master with the Enhanced Mozilla Add-in

Sorry if this was previously addressed, but when running both V1.10 of the Mozilla Enhanced add-in and the latest NVDA Master, I am getting an "error in app" when launching Thunderbird and Firefox. I tried both V11 and the newest developer release of the add-in which result in the same error.


Bob
Re: Error when using the latest NVDA Master with the Enhanced Mozilla Add-in

Bob Jutzi
 

Sorry if this was previously addressed, but when running both V1.10 of
the Mozilla Enhanced add-in and the latest NVDA Master, I am getting an
"error in app" when launching Thunderbird and Firefox.  I tried both V11
and the newest developer release of the add-in which result in the same
error.



Bob
Re: Selecting text

Luke Davis
 

On Tue, 4 Aug 2020, Gene wrote:

When you get to the beginning of what you want to select, issue the command NVDA f9. Move to the end of what you want to select and issue the command NVDA f10 quickly. You should hear something indicating that text was selected. To copy text to the clipboard, issue the command twice quickly, not once.
Or install the Classic Selection add-on so you only have to issue it once, like it should be.

Luke
Re: Nvda and multiple reading of subjects in E-mails

Howard Traxler
 

At my house, using thunderbird and NVDA, the subject is read three (and sometimes four) times thense NVDA procedes to read the rest of the story.  When it starts to babble, I silence it then press NVDA plus a to read.  Works fine.

On 8/4/2020 10:04 AM, Jarek.Krcmar wrote:

Hi Brian,

I am using Mozilla Thunderbird, because I can create a rules, while in Windows it isn't possible.


Jarek
Dne 04.08.2020 v 16:37 Brian Vogel napsal(a):
Jarek (and anyone else),

         What e-mail client are you using?   Are you opening your messages in their own windows for reading?

         I know the behavior you're talking about, but I don't think it's the actual subject being read multiple times, but because the subject is also the window title in a message window, that's getting read, followed by the actual subject.  In Outlook 2016, if I open a message sent to me in plain text, and I'll use "Keep Forgetting" as the subject, the window title is "Keep Forgetting - Message (Plain Text)", and the actual Subject entry is just Keep Forgetting.  NVDA starts by reading the window title (much like it would say File Explorer when you are in File Explorer or Mozilla Thunderbird if you were using that client and were in the main window) then immediately repeats itself with only the subject because that's the next item in the reading sequence for a message.  Getting the subject read twice is an artifact of how the window for reading same is set up.  If you're getting more than two times, then I'd have to look at the exact client and how the message is being read to determine if what's in the subject is somehow being presented somewhere that NVDA reads a third time.

--

Brian *-*Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363

*/. . . the presumption of innocence, while essential in the legal realm, does not mean the elimination of common sense outside it.  The willing suspension of disbelief has its limits, or should./*

~ /Ruth Marcus/,  November 10, 2017, in /Washington Post/ article/, //Bannon is right: It’s no coincidence The Post broke the Moore story/ <https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/bannon-is-right-its-no-coincidence-the-post-broke-the-moore-story/2017/11/10/50e485c4-c662-11e7-84bc-5e285c7f4512_story.html>
Re: Grammarly and NVDA

Robert Kingett
 

It is completely inaccessible with any screen reader. Your best option would be to change the grammar checker in MS Word to also check for styles, not just grammar. That's the only accessible avenue for grammar checking because all other third party solutions are not screen reader friendly.
Re: Grammarly and NVDA

Greg Wocher
 

Hello,
Unfortunately it is totally inaccessible with any screen reader. 

Greg Wocher


On Aug 4, 2020, at 10:42 AM, ely.r@... wrote:

 
Morning from northeast tornado country,
 
Has anyone tried the program with MS word and used the more advanced features of the Premium version?  If so, might you share your impressions of the good and the bad?
Rick and General, guide dog extraordinaire 
StationPlaylist add-on 20.08 released, a note or two regarding Windows 10 App Essentials 20.08 #addonrelease

Joseph Lee
 

Hi all,

 

Two important things:

 

StationPlaylist add-on 20.08 is now available. This version mainly includes optimizations and localization updates.

 

Note: if you are using Studio 5.20, you will get a notification after installing add-on 20.08, telling you that the next long-term support (LTS) version will be the last release series to support Studio 5.20. That release series is 20.09.x and it will show up in September.

 

Moving onto Windows 10 App Essentials, a few announcements:

 

In addition to delaying version 20.08 release (until next week) due to a showstopper bug in upcoming Windows 10 Version 20H2 (beta at the moment), the upcoming release will include significant changes to modern keyboard support (emoji panel, clipboard history, dictation, hardware keyboard suggestions, and many others). For many of you, you won’t notice changes, but programmers may notice significant changes regarding how events from modern keyboard interface are tracked. Also, a more efficient way to detect appearance/disappearance of modern keyboard interface (emoji panel, for example) was found, which results in making the code behind this feature more stable and simple. These changes are indeed destined for a future NVDA release.

 

Also, another important thing to remember: Windows 10 App Essentials 20.08 will require NVDA 2020.1 or later (due to add-on support policy), and if the showstopper bug from 20H2 is fixed, it will be the first version to support the upcoming Windows 10 feature update.

 

Enjoy the new add-on releases.

Cheers,

Joseph
NVDA and MathML content, plus Hi from Jay at AC

Jason Timms
 

Hi

My name is Jay Timms,

Wanted to say hi before blasting some questions to the group. Go gentle I am new here.

I am looking for advice on MathML and NVDA. I am working with a student who needs to access Math.

I have material encoded in MathML, have connected to try to load MathPlayer on his computer. He has the latest version of NVDA and Windows 10. I have reinstalled his Office to ensure it is 32 bit.

His material is in MS Word and has been encoded by a Professional service provider known for their ability to encode in MathML.

We can’t seem to get NVDA to speak the content in the book?

Any thoughts?

Also, I have not worked with someone using MathML before, are there other software solutions or format choices that may work better. The student is new to NVDA and MathML so switching file format is not likely an issue as we are starting from the beginning anyway?

Thanks,,

Jay @ AC
Re: NVDA in windows terminal on older Win 10 versions

Brian Vogel
 

On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 11:36 AM, Ralf Kefferpuetz wrote:
from my experience as bigger a company is as less chances we got to influence the IT department in their decission to go to more recent versions.
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No argument there.  You have to remember (or if I've never shared it, you will now) that I worked for a major defense contractor, E-Systems (long ago sold several times and now part of Raytheon), AT&T (and they don't get bigger than that), as well as two state agencies in Virginia that are subject to the lunacy that is VITA (Virginia Information Technologies Agency - which wasn't really an agency at all, but  a way for Northrup Grumman to line its pockets, that the state paid $38.5 million to in order to terminate the contract for their miserable `service.`).  I recall using Windows XP for several years after Windows 7 was introduced because of just the sort of nonsense you're referring to.

But no sane IT department is going to keep an out of support version of Windows 10 or want to pay for "beyond extended" support for one that has, at least if they've got leadership with any sense.

It's always worth asking about when the next update is planned, as none of this happens without planning, and even when the update comes, it's usually to a Windows 10 version that is at least one, often two, versions behind the latest one.
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

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Re: NVDA in windows terminal on older Win 10 versions

Ralf Kefferpuetz
 

Windows 1809 got an extended support for companies due to Covid19 until May 11, 2021.

The company I’m working for is one of the biggest in the IT industry and we are internally still running Win10 1803 and from my experience as bigger a company is as less chances we got to influence the IT department in their decission to go to more recent versions.

 

Cheers,

  Ralf

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Dienstag, 4. August 2020 16:47
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA in windows terminal on older Win 10 versions

 

Schoepp,

             Have you checked with your organization as to when they will be applying whatever Feature Update they intend to apply next?  Version 1809 is now very old, and is going out of support later this year or May of next for extended support for Enterprise and Educational editions, and I cannot imagine the IT department won't be updating to something significantly more recent.

              In the age of Windows As A Service, it's imperative for developers to keep up with whatever the latest supported versions of Windows 10 are, and when a version is about to go out of support there is no good reason to dedicate resources at that late date.

              I'd be making queries about the next update to Windows 10 on these centrally administered machines, as any changes to NVDA to support version 1809 at this late date would be highly unlikely.

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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

. . . the presumption of innocence, while essential in the legal realm, does not mean the elimination of common sense outside it.  The willing suspension of disbelief has its limits, or should.

 

    ~ Ruth Marcus,  November 10, 2017, in Washington Post article, Bannon is right: It’s no coincidence The Post broke the Moore story

 

 
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