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Re: NVDA and MathML content, plus Hi from Jay at AC

rowen brian <manchen0528@...>
 

It is recommended that you install the Access8Math Addon:
https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/access8math.zh_CN.html
Re: Braille doesn't work in Google Docs

Rob Hudson
 

If you press alt+shift+A to go into the menus, and find accessibility, there is a "enable braille support" checkbox.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Vogel" <britechguy@gmail.com>
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2020 10:47:28 -0700
Subject: Re: [nvda] Braille doesn't work in Google Docs

On Wed, Aug 5, 2020 at 01:06 PM, Rob Hudson wrote:


There was a setting i missed in the docs interface. Oops.
-
Would you mind sharing which one?   Someone else is virtually certain to miss the same thing later, and having it on record in the archive can prove most helpful.

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Re: Braille doesn't work in Google Docs

Brian Vogel
 

On Wed, Aug 5, 2020 at 01:06 PM, Rob Hudson wrote:
There was a setting i missed in the docs interface. Oops.
-
Would you mind sharing which one?   Someone else is virtually certain to miss the same thing later, and having it on record in the archive can prove most helpful.
 
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. . . the presumption of innocence, while essential in the legal realm, does not mean the elimination of common sense outside it.  The willing suspension of disbelief has its limits, or should.

    ~ Ruth Marcus,  November 10, 2017, in Washington Post article, Bannon is right: It’s no coincidence The Post broke the Moore story

 

 
Re: Braille doesn't work in Google Docs

Rob Hudson
 

Never mind. There was a setting i missed in the docs interface. Oops.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Rob Hudson" <rob_hudson3182@opopanax.net>
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2020 11:40:01 -0500
Subject: [nvda] Braille doesn't work in Google Docs

Using NVDA 2020.2 and Google Chrome Version 86.0.4221.0 (Official Build) canary (64-bit) on windows 10
I press alt+ctrl+z to enable screen reader mode. However I get no braille output. Is this a known bug, or did I miss a step somewhere.
Re: Google Sheets

CARLOS-ESTEBAN <carlosestebanpianista@...>
 

Hello.

You can read this guide:

https://support.google.com/docs/answer/1632199

Regards.

El 5/8/2020 a las 11:13, Rob Hudson escribió:
Any tips on using Google Sheets with NVDA? I understand the platform has made some great strides in A11y.
Thanks.
Braille doesn't work in Google Docs

Rob Hudson
 

Using NVDA 2020.2 and Google Chrome Version 86.0.4221.0 (Official Build) canary (64-bit) on windows 10
I press alt+ctrl+z to enable screen reader mode. However I get no braille output. Is this a known bug, or did I miss a step somewhere.
Google Sheets

Rob Hudson
 

Any tips on using Google Sheets with NVDA? I understand the platform has made some great strides in A11y.
Thanks.
Re: NVDA in windows terminal on older Win 10 versions

Christian Schoepplein
 

Hi _Brian,

Am 04.08.2020 um 16:46 schrieb Brian Vogel:
             Have you checked with your organization as to when they will be applying whatever Feature Update they intend to apply next? Version 1809 is now very old, and is going out of support later this year or May of next for extended support for Enterprise and Educational editions, and I cannot imagine the IT department won't be updating to something significantly more recent.
The IT department is aware of my problems with the older windows versions, but that will not speed up theire update politic.

We've been migrated from Windows 7 to Windows 10 in December last year, just to give you an idea how things are working here :-).

But OK, I'll check whats possible. Maybe I can get a special system with a newer Windows when things really do not work.
Cheers,

Schoepp
Re: NVDA in windows terminal on older Win 10 versions

Christian Schoepplein
 

Sorry, upgrading only my system to the newest Windows version will not work due to security policies, software distribution processes and so on. Also bringing my own device with a self installed environment will be not allowed.

Everything that has no official process or is not officialy allowed by the IT security department is not possible novadays, at least not in companies who think that they had to work and function in ITIL or similar process models. No chance to get out of such process models, at least it is very difficult.

Ciao,

Schoepp



Am 04.08.2020 um 22:00 schrieb Shaun Everiss:

Well why don't you ask your it people to upgrade you to 2004, I am sure others will be getting the next version upgrade.
On 4/08/2020 11:23 pm, Christian Schoepplein wrote:
Hi,

I have to use Windows 10 version 1809 on my laptop for my job. With this version I have problems to use the windows terminal. I can't e.g. not read file listings.

On my private laptop with Windows 10 version 2004 installed I do not have those problems.

On both systems the current stable version of NVDA is installed, NVDA 2020.2.

Is it possible to improve the support of windows text console on my old system on my working laptop somehow? I don't know when a newer version of Windows 10 will be rolled out, so a workaround for Windows 1809 would be great.

Cheers and thanks for any hint,

  Schoepp



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Re: New Book Available on Browsing the Web with Screen Reader Programs

David Kingsbury
 

Hi Zahra

 

Yes, you can email me at david.kingsbury@....

 

Regards,

David

 
Re: Grammarly and NVDA

Fawaz Abdul rahman
 

Grammarly used to work for me with firefox and NVDA (using the cursor) with most fields. Not sure about word, never tried.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Quentin Christensen
Sent: Wednesday, August 5, 2020 10:26 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Grammarly and NVDA

 

As others have said, Grammarly is inaccessible with the keyboard and with screenreaders.  For a sighted mouse user, it works great, it highlights grammatical errors in many places, including forms you are filling in on the web.  A similar service, ProWritingAid, has a screen reader accessible interface.  It's not free, but worth considering if you're after a full featured grammar checker: https://prowritingaid.com/en/Analysis/Editor?screenReaderFriendly=true

 

On Wed, Aug 5, 2020 at 3:26 AM Robert Kingett <kingettr@...> wrote:

It is completely inaccessible with any screen reader. Your best option would be to change the grammar checker in MS Word to also check for styles, not just grammar. That's the only accessible avenue for grammar checking because all other third party solutions are not screen reader friendly.


 

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Re: NVDA and MathML content, plus Hi from Jay at AC

Mallard
 

Hello,


I would suggest to look into the axcessibility package developed by the Sergio Polin Laboratory of the University of Tutin, Italy.


If I can contact you off-list, I can try and provide more info.

I'm only beginning to look into it too, to help a friend with high school math.


That works with Latex though.


If that suits you, then let me know and we can take this discussion off-list.


Ciao, take care and stay safe,
Ollie

On 04/08/2020 18:04, Jason Timms wrote:

Hi

My name is Jay Timms,

Wanted to say hi before blasting some questions to the group. Go gentle I am new here.

I am looking for advice on MathML and NVDA. I am working with a student who needs to access Math.

I have material encoded in MathML, have connected to try to load MathPlayer on his computer. He has the latest version of NVDA and Windows 10. I have reinstalled his Office to ensure it is 32 bit.

His material is in MS Word and has been encoded by a Professional service provider known for their ability to encode in MathML.

We can’t seem to get NVDA to speak the content in the book?

Any thoughts?

Also, I have not worked with someone using MathML before, are there other software solutions or format choices that may work better. The student is new to NVDA and MathML so switching file format is not likely an issue as we are starting from the beginning anyway?

Thanks,,

Jay @ AC
Re: Grammarly and NVDA

Quentin Christensen
 

As others have said, Grammarly is inaccessible with the keyboard and with screenreaders.  For a sighted mouse user, it works great, it highlights grammatical errors in many places, including forms you are filling in on the web.  A similar service, ProWritingAid, has a screen reader accessible interface.  It's not free, but worth considering if you're after a full featured grammar checker: https://prowritingaid.com/en/Analysis/Editor?screenReaderFriendly=true


On Wed, Aug 5, 2020 at 3:26 AM Robert Kingett <kingettr@...> wrote:

It is completely inaccessible with any screen reader. Your best option would be to change the grammar checker in MS Word to also check for styles, not just grammar. That's the only accessible avenue for grammar checking because all other third party solutions are not screen reader friendly.



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Training and Support Manager

Web: www.nvaccess.org 
Re: NVDA 2020.2 and Word Track Changes

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi Sandra,

GitHub is not difficult to use.  You do need to create an account, but that simply requires and email address and password, as most sites do these days.

As it happens though, this isn't actually a new bug, and there is an issue for it: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/7342  

Kind regards

Quentin.


On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 3:06 AM Sandra Pilz <sandra914481@...> wrote:
Hi Sarah,


No, I didn't file this on gidhub, I'm not familiar with the site.

Regards


Sandra



Von meinem iPhone gesendet

Am 03.08.2020 um 18:38 schrieb Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...>:



Did you bug this on the github page? If so can you provide the link?

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On 3 Aug 2020, at 9:34, Sandra Pilz wrote:

Hi Sylvie,

Thank you for trying it. Probably we can assume that it's a new bug in the current version of NVDA. 

Thanks for confirmming. 

Regards

Sandra


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Am 03.08.2020 um 16:55 schrieb Sylvie Duchateau <sduchateau@...>:



Hello Sandra and all,

I use Office 365 in French with NVDA 2020.2.

I tested what you describe on a word document with track changes enabled.

I noticed the same as you mentioned:

While typing a to jump to the next change, everything is ok.

However, going backwards with shift+a jumps to the first change and does not go to all others.

I tested the same document with nvda 2019.2 and 2019.3, and the shortcut works properly.

I can’t explain what the problem is.

Best

Sylvie

De : nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> De la part de Sandra Pilz via groups.io
Envoyé : lundi 3 août 2020 14:27
À : nvda@nvda.groups.io
Objet : [nvda] NVDA 2020.2 and Word Track Changes

 

Hi,

 

I am using the current version of NVDA, 2020.2. When I am in a word document with track changes enabled, I can go to reading mode and press a to go to the next change and again to the next change and so on. However, I can't move to the previous change. When I press shift+a, NVDA will tell me no changes were found, although it took me through them when I went forward using just a.

 

I am using Office 365. Also, I'm using a German version of NVDA, so I don't know if the key to cycle through changes is different in the English version. However, A is the correct key in my version.

 

Can I do something to solve this, or is this a new bug?

 

 

Regards

 

Sandra

 



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Web: www.nvaccess.org 
Re: NVDA and language support

Quentin Christensen
 

Also for speech, it depends on the synthesizer - eg as Devin said, eSpeak-NG is one synthesizer, if you are using Windows OneCore Voices then it's up to Microsoft, and if you are using something else like Eloquence, it will be up to the manufacturer of that synthesizer.

Like NVDA, eSpeak-NG is open source, and relies on volunteers to add features like new languages.  if you happen to be able to speak another language which isn't currently supported and would like to have it added to the eSpeak-NG project, please see their page at: https://github.com/espeak-ng/espeak-ng/blob/master/docs/languages.md

The other part of working in a particular language is NVDA's messages and settings.  Like eSpeak-NG we also rely on native speaking volunteers around the world to translate NVDA.  If you are in a position to help, we'd love to have your input.  Please see our page at: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/wiki/Translating

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Mon, Aug 3, 2020 at 11:39 PM Devin Prater <r.d.t.prater@...> wrote:
This depends on ESpeak-NG, for speech, and LibLouis, for braille.
Devin Prater
r.d.t.prater@...

Https://devinprater.github.io

> On Aug 3, 2020, at 8:04 AM, Chelsea <Lady.arwen15@...> wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> I apologize if this is a re-post.
>
> I received a job fair email that highlighted several languages. They
> are: Balochi, Chinese/Mandarin, Dari, Farsi, Hindi, Kazakh, Kyrgyz,
> Pashto, Persian,
> Punjabi, Russian, Somali, Swahili, Tajik, Turkish, Urdu, Uzbek
>
> When looking through NVDA's speech and Braille settings, I see that
> some of these languages have speech support only, and some only have
> Braille support. Some have both.
>
> Are there plans to expand language support even further in the future?
>
> Thank you from a curious user,
> Chelsea
>
>
>






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Re: Reading Graphics with NVDA

Quentin Christensen
 

The other thing which can help in some cases is NVDA's OCR.  Navigate to the graphic, press NVDA+r, then use your regular navigation / reading keys to read the result.  Press ESCAPE when done.  It won't necessarily work with fancy graphical text (eg handwriting script or low contrast), but might help in some cases.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Mon, Aug 3, 2020 at 8:43 AM g melconian <gmelconian619@...> wrote:

yes I have two options in accessibility settings,  captions and get image descriptions  and its toggled on.   Just tried  with NVDA , jaws , an narrator. 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Sunday, August 2, 2020 3:39 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Reading Graphics with NVDA

 

On Sun, Aug 2, 2020 at 06:27 PM, Gene wrote:

Is it there when you go through the items with a screen-reader running?

Gene,

           You hit the nail on the head.  It does appear when I have NVDA running and does not when I do not.

            New Edge does not appear to have Accessibility settings (or at least not under that moniker).  Brave does not either, under that or image or describ (I didn't bother completing the word, as that should be enough to get any variant), yet the option for the context menu pops up.

             This is the first time I've seen a browser settings be sensitive to whether a screen reader is running at the time or not.  This certainly makes sense when it's accessibility settings, though it does pose some dangers in terms of sighted assistants trying to assist by looking on their own machines (which will often not have a screen reader at all - or not one that they know how to run).   I'll have to see if this is picked up when running JAWS and Narrator later.
 
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. . . the presumption of innocence, while essential in the legal realm, does not mean the elimination of common sense outside it.  The willing suspension of disbelief has its limits, or should.

 

    ~ Ruth Marcus,  November 10, 2017, in Washington Post article, Bannon is right: It’s no coincidence The Post broke the Moore story

 

 



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Re: I can't read table of content with nvda

Quentin Christensen
 

Are you using any add-ons?  If you restart NVDA with add-ons disabled does it make a difference?  (NVDA+Q, then down arrow to restart with add-ons disabled and enter).

Also which version of Word, and which version of NVDA?

Finally, if you could email me directly such a Word document, I can have a look and see if I can reproduce anything.  Just having a look through our issues, I can't immediately see anything that looks similar.  Maybe it is something to do with how the table of contents was created.  Do you know if the files were created in Word, or imported from something else?

Finally, one other thing you can do, particularly if it is how the TOC has been created, you could always select it, delete and recreate (ALT+S, then T, then either ENTER for the default, or select a TOC layout first hten enter).

Regards

Quentin.

On Sat, Aug 1, 2020 at 9:46 PM Daniel Damacena <danieldamacena.ma@...> wrote:
Which software do you refer to?
If you're talking about adobe reader or adobe digital editions, yes, you can read the toc.

Em sáb., 1 de ago. de 2020 às 04:59, Aschalew Byness <gakidan.ashagre235@...> escreveu:
Hi you lovely guys
I couldn’t read table of contents with NVDA. Whenever I try to read
table of contents, nvda reads: out of link  TOC \o "1-3" \h \z \u
link   .
My sighted friends read the full content of the TOC. Nvda skips it
this way. ‘out of link  TOC \o "1-3" \h \z \u   link   .

Solution?





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Re: Grammarly and NVDA

ely.r@...
 

Thanks much for the info. My actual grammar is quite good. My downfall is the comma, since I write by ear, I tend to use that little mark as I can make the spoken document sound as it should.

 

I will take your advice about expanding the Word checker.

Rick & General

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Robert Kingett
Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2020 1:26 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Grammarly and NVDA

 

It is completely inaccessible with any screen reader. Your best option would be to change the grammar checker in MS Word to also check for styles, not just grammar. That's the only accessible avenue for grammar checking because all other third party solutions are not screen reader friendly.
Re: Error when using the latest NVDA Master with the Enhanced Mozilla Add-in

Bob Jutzi
 

Already tried F6 to drop me in the address bar, then tabbing over to the
notifications which didn't work so will just listen to the screen as
suggested.  Thanks.

On 8/4/2020 5:18 PM, Gene wrote:
Until you find the command, try using f6.  You will move through
different parts of the window such as to the address bar, and perhaps
to other parts including, I hope the notification.  Also, if you let
the full notification read when it starts, you will hear, at the end,
shortcuts to do what is offered.  Listen very carefully for such
information.  You may hear something like download, when you get an
update message, followed by control d and then not now, control n. 
I'm not saying these are the actual commands, but they are examples of
the kind of things you will hear.  This means I usually don't have to
look for the message, which is one reason I am giving you the f6 key
as a guess since I so seldom need to look for the message...

I've done quite a bit of searching out of curiosity since seeing your
message but I haven't found the command.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Jutzi
Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2020 2:06 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Error when using the latest NVDA Master with the
Enhanced Mozilla Add-in

The Windows 10 toasts shortcut works but haven't found the one for
Firefox notifications.

On 8/4/2020 2:32 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
Those are two completely different things. I know that Firefox has a
command to move focus to notifications, and for Windows 10 toasts,
press Windows+Shift+V.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Jutzi
Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2020 11:30 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Error when using the latest NVDA Master with the
Enhanced Mozilla Add-in

So how do we access those Windows 10 toasts which pop up when
connecting drives as well as those Firefox pop-ups notifications?

On 8/4/2020 2:28 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
The app modules Mozilla Enhancements add-on relied on are now gone
in NVDA alpha builds as part of a cleanup effort to remove outdated
code in NVDA, as these app modules were used in the day when NVDA
needed some workarounds to let users use Firefox and Thunderbird
more effectively.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Jutzi
Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2020 11:26 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Error when using the latest NVDA Master with the
Enhanced Mozilla Add-in

Sorry if this was previously addressed, but when running both V1.10
of the Mozilla Enhanced add-in and the latest NVDA Master, I am
getting an "error in app" when launching Thunderbird and Firefox.  I
tried both V11 and the newest developer release of the add-in which
result in the same error.
Bob
Re: Error when using the latest NVDA Master with the Enhanced Mozilla Add-in

Gene
 

Until you find the command, try using f6. You will move through different parts of the window such as to the address bar, and perhaps to other parts including, I hope the notification. Also, if you let the full notification read when it starts, you will hear, at the end, shortcuts to do what is offered. Listen very carefully for such information. You may hear something like download, when you get an update message, followed by control d and then not now, control n. I'm not saying these are the actual commands, but they are examples of the kind of things you will hear. This means I usually don't have to look for the message, which is one reason I am giving you the f6 key as a guess since I so seldom need to look for the message...

I've done quite a bit of searching out of curiosity since seeing your message but I haven't found the command.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Jutzi
Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2020 2:06 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Error when using the latest NVDA Master with the Enhanced Mozilla Add-in

The Windows 10 toasts shortcut works but haven't found the one for
Firefox notifications.

On 8/4/2020 2:32 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
Those are two completely different things. I know that Firefox has a command to move focus to notifications, and for Windows 10 toasts, press Windows+Shift+V.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Jutzi
Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2020 11:30 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Error when using the latest NVDA Master with the Enhanced Mozilla Add-in

So how do we access those Windows 10 toasts which pop up when connecting drives as well as those Firefox pop-ups notifications?

On 8/4/2020 2:28 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
The app modules Mozilla Enhancements add-on relied on are now gone in NVDA alpha builds as part of a cleanup effort to remove outdated code in NVDA, as these app modules were used in the day when NVDA needed some workarounds to let users use Firefox and Thunderbird more effectively.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Jutzi
Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2020 11:26 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Error when using the latest NVDA Master with the
Enhanced Mozilla Add-in

Sorry if this was previously addressed, but when running both V1.10 of the Mozilla Enhanced add-in and the latest NVDA Master, I am getting an "error in app" when launching Thunderbird and Firefox. I tried both V11 and the newest developer release of the add-in which result in the same error.
Bob
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