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Re: Speech crackling/breaking up in latest NVDA

Brian Vogel
 

Also be certain that the device drivers for your sound device(s) are completely up to date.  I see more complaints coming across the general purpose Windows 10 technical support groups about pops, cracks, and other audio irregularities that I ever have with any prior version of Windows.   It can almost always be traced back to the drivers, whether that's because the ones installed are old and from the OEM (whether of your computer or sound card), or are newer but Microsoft issued generic ones where the latest OEM drivers are really needed.

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Nvda and Thunderbird

Jarek.Krcmar
 

Hello everyone,
In Thunderbird, Nvda tells me: Moved a message from the Inbox, Copying a message to the Drafts folder, and tells me something about the account. He also wants to say something when sending the message.
Can it be turned off somewhere?
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Re: Object Navigation - Where and How Do You Use It?

Joseph Lee
 

Hi,

One context where I use object navigation is Windows 10 Settings (Windows+I) where you must use object navigation to read certain information.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2020 9:07 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Object Navigation - Where and How Do You Use It?

 

Hello All,

          This is a navigation method that I really have yet to wrap my head around.  My intent with this topic is not to trigger a discussion of the abstract concepts of object navigation, though they're certainly not unwelcome, but to elicit a collection of specific programs/dialogs/etc. where you personally use object navigation to get around in it and how it travels when you do.

           I have not had a lot of luck yet when just playing with object navigation at random, and figure I (and perhaps many others) might "get the hang of it" much better if we were trying it out in a context either that we're familiar with but haven't used it, or in a context someone else has described so that our experimentation has more meaning from the outset.

           If you feel so inclined, please share.
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Object Navigation - Where and How Do You Use It?

Brian Vogel
 

Hello All,

          This is a navigation method that I really have yet to wrap my head around.  My intent with this topic is not to trigger a discussion of the abstract concepts of object navigation, though they're certainly not unwelcome, but to elicit a collection of specific programs/dialogs/etc. where you personally use object navigation to get around in it and how it travels when you do.

           I have not had a lot of luck yet when just playing with object navigation at random, and figure I (and perhaps many others) might "get the hang of it" much better if we were trying it out in a context either that we're familiar with but haven't used it, or in a context someone else has described so that our experimentation has more meaning from the outset.

           If you feel so inclined, please share.
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Re: Unnecessary verbiage that wastes my time

Brian Vogel
 

On Thu, Aug 6, 2020 at 10:34 AM, Gene wrote:
People would never put up with a human reader announcing all this clutter.
I'd say that's absolutely true, but they'd probably also expect a human reader to say something about the fact that there is a figure/image present and what it illustrates as a part of the reading, unless the person their reading for has explicitly requested they only read the main text.

I actually feel your pain, and have had exactly that same feeling many, many times with multiple screen readers.  I hope that someday there arrives AI sophisticated enough to screen read the way "your average sighted person" would likely take in looking at content.  Heaven knows we virtually never look at scads of the navigation links and the like at the outset, but the main page content first.

But at this point in time, since a screen reader itself has no idea, really, of what it is you (any you) are looking for on a given page it offers "way too much" rather than allowing you to possibly miss the presence of something.

It would be nice if all of these sorts of things were arranged in "chunks" of announcements that fit a certain class, and that you could have the option of turning off the entire class with one checkbox, or going through the individual things announced and unchecking the ones you explicitly don't want while retaining the others.  And do I ever know what a PITA that would be to code, and for the user to slog through, but in any really complex system where a high level of customization is wanted or needed, this is how its obtained.
 
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Re: Issue With Windows Security And Monitoring Virus Scan Progress

Sarah k Alawami
 

Have you considered using object navigation instead of screen review? This is actually what I do and it works beautifully. Simply in laptop mode (I don't use desktop mode ever) do an nvda shift left and right to move between objects, and nvda down and up to interact and not interact with each object. You do not in my experience need to switch modes.

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On 6 Aug 2020, at 4:37, Ron Canazzi wrote:

Hello Group,

Until recently (I am not sure when this started) when I would manually run a Virus scan for Windows security, I could switch to the screen review cursor and look at the dialogue including the progress and setting.  Now when I try this during a scan, all NVDA says is 'blandk.'  Now if I use the read dialogue keystroke insert + B, after reading through a bunch of superfluous items such as the tool bars and system items, I do get the scan progress information read correctly.  This means that it must be recognizable by NVDA at some level.

Has anyone else seen this issue?  If so, is there some way of rectifying the situation?  If NVDA sees it in the read dialogue context, shouldn't it be available in some form so that it can be read more easily?

Thanks for any help.

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Re: Idea for an Addon

Cuong Dang Manh
 

Hi

Acording to what I understand, you could try this add-on: https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/placeMarkers.en.html

Cuong

On 8/6/2020 10:19 AM, Vaibhav Bhandari wrote:
Hi all,
So recently I was thinking like many people out their, whenever they
read some book/novel/any other thing, they tend to mark something
which they feel is important. Now I was wondering if such an addon for
NVDA could be developed through which it would jump from the first
bold text to the next. Is their already such an addon or can it be
developed?
Unnecessary verbiage that wastes my time

Gene
 

I really hate unnecessary verbiage that wastes my time and tells me nothing of any value.

I've recently been using the beta version of NVDA. I havedn't gotten the production version since I've been using it so little. But one thing that caught my attention is the announcement of figure and out of figure on web pages. What possible value is there to this? I don't care if something is a figure in structure, whatever that is, evidently some sort of visual formatting. Every time I hear these words, it wastes a little bit of time and distractingly clutters the text. and I see no way to turhn this off in the document formatting options. I turn off the other nonsense such as bloc quote announcement. I turn off almost everything. If new formatting information is added, there should be a way to turn it off.

And why are some of these announcements on by default? People would never put up with a human reader announcing all this clutter. How many users of NVDA ever learn enough to know that they can turn all these announcements off?

Gene
Re: Idea for an Addon

Daniel Damacena
 

I am not a developer. Actually, I am a basic user, so that I can't tell you whether it is possible. What I can recommend you to do is to use one of the mentioned softwares. Bookworm is super light, accessible and free. You can download it from here:
All the best!

Em qui., 6 de ago. de 2020 às 07:37, Vaibhav Bhandari <vaibhavbhandari2017@...> escreveu:

So would it be possible for NVDA to have this feature too?

On 8/6/20, Daniel Damacena <danieldamacena.ma@...> wrote:
> Well, ebook readers like bookworm or qread have this feature.
>
> Em qui., 6 de ago. de 2020 às 00:19, Vaibhav Bhandari <
> vaibhavbhandari2017@...> escreveu:
>
>> Hi all,
>> So recently I was thinking like many people out their, whenever they
>> read some book/novel/any other thing, they tend to mark something
>> which they feel is important. Now I was wondering if such an addon for
>> NVDA could be developed through which it would jump from the first
>> bold text to the next. Is their already such an addon or can it be
>> developed?
>>
>> --
>> Thanks/regards: Vaibhav Bhandari
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
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Re: Issue With Windows Security And Monitoring Virus Scan Progress

Daniel Damacena
 

Which antivirus  are you talking about?
I am using malwarebytes. It is not totally accessible. Whenever I need to activate an option I need to bring the mouse to it and click on it, but it is really effective!


Em qui., 6 de ago. de 2020 às 08:37, Ron Canazzi <aa2vm@...> escreveu:

Hello Group,

Until recently (I am not sure when this started) when I would manually
run a Virus scan for Windows security, I could switch to the screen
review cursor and look at the dialogue including the progress and
setting.  Now when I try this during a scan, all NVDA says is 'blandk.' 
Now if I use the read dialogue keystroke insert + B, after reading
through a bunch of superfluous items such as the tool bars and system
items, I do get the scan progress information read correctly.  This
means that it must be recognizable by NVDA at some level.

Has anyone else seen this issue?  If so, is there some way of rectifying
the situation?  If NVDA sees it in the read dialogue context, shouldn't
it be available in some form so that it can be read more easily?

Thanks for any help.



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In-Process is out

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi everyone,

In-Process is out, this week featuring news on NVDA 2020.2, our Software Engineer position, plus other ways you can contribute to NVDA.


Quentin. 

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Re: Issue With Windows Security And Monitoring Virus Scan Progress

Gene
 

Try using object navigation. I don't know how familiar you are with it. I can give you a quick description if you wish.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Ron Canazzi
Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2020 6:37 AM
To: NVDA Official Group
Subject: [nvda] Issue With Windows Security And Monitoring Virus Scan Progress

Hello Group,

Until recently (I am not sure when this started) when I would manually
run a Virus scan for Windows security, I could switch to the screen
review cursor and look at the dialogue including the progress and
setting. Now when I try this during a scan, all NVDA says is 'blandk.'
Now if I use the read dialogue keystroke insert + B, after reading
through a bunch of superfluous items such as the tool bars and system
items, I do get the scan progress information read correctly. This
means that it must be recognizable by NVDA at some level.

Has anyone else seen this issue? If so, is there some way of rectifying
the situation? If NVDA sees it in the read dialogue context, shouldn't
it be available in some form so that it can be read more easily?

Thanks for any help.



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Re: Speaking the word just typed.

Gerry
 

Thanks, nvda plus 3 works fine.


Gerry

On 06/08/2020 11:13, Jacob Kruger wrote:
This setting is under NVDA settings, speech, or else you can toggle it using NVDA key + number row 3 - that's with, I think, both desktop and laptop keyboard layouts.


Stay well


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On 2020-08-06 12:01 PM, Gerry wrote:
Hi

Apologies if this seems simple, but I am sure that nvda used to speak each word  as it was typed. For some reason my system has stopped doing this and I cannot find the setting to re-instate the feature.

I am using nvda version 2020.1 and the latest Windows 10.

Advice welcome.

best regards

Gerry
Re: Speaking the word just typed.

Quentin Christensen
 

All correct Jacob!  NVDA+3 to toggle speak typed words directly.  Otherwise NVDA+control+k to open NVDA's keyboard settings and toggle it from in there.

Quentin.

On Thu, Aug 6, 2020 at 8:14 PM Jacob Kruger <jacob@...> wrote:
This setting is under NVDA settings, speech, or else you can toggle it
using NVDA key + number row 3 - that's with, I think, both desktop and
laptop keyboard layouts.


Stay well


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Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
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On 2020-08-06 12:01 PM, Gerry wrote:
> Hi
>
> Apologies if this seems simple, but I am sure that nvda used to speak
> each word  as it was typed. For some reason my system has stopped
> doing this and I cannot find the setting to re-instate the feature.
>
> I am using nvda version 2020.1 and the latest Windows 10.
>
> Advice welcome.
>
> best regards
>
> Gerry
>
>
>
>
>
>





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Issue With Windows Security And Monitoring Virus Scan Progress

Ron Canazzi
 

Hello Group,

Until recently (I am not sure when this started) when I would manually run a Virus scan for Windows security, I could switch to the screen review cursor and look at the dialogue including the progress and setting.  Now when I try this during a scan, all NVDA says is 'blandk.'  Now if I use the read dialogue keystroke insert + B, after reading through a bunch of superfluous items such as the tool bars and system items, I do get the scan progress information read correctly.  This means that it must be recognizable by NVDA at some level.

Has anyone else seen this issue?  If so, is there some way of rectifying the situation?  If NVDA sees it in the read dialogue context, shouldn't it be available in some form so that it can be read more easily?

Thanks for any help.



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Re: Speech crackling/breaking up in latest NVDA

Gene
 

Silenzio doesn't silence speech. It solves a problem where the sound card times out after it isn't doing anything for a short time. When you do something that causes speech to occur again, there is a pause before it starts because the sound card has stopped working. Silenzio sends inaudible audio signals to the sound card to stop it from timing out. That doesn't sound like your problem because, according to your description, your problem occurs while speech is occuring.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Jackie
Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2020 12:52 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Speech crackling/breaking up in latest NVDA

Sharni-Lee, this often happens in Windows 10 in conjunction w/a
Realtech audio driver. Specifically, it happens when enhancements are
enabled.

Try going to control panel > sound, then down arrow till you hear your
playback device announced. It might sound similar to:
Speakers; Realtek(R) Audio;
Press alt p for properties.
Control tab till you hear "spatial sound" announced.
At this point you should be in a dropdown list which you can use your
up & down arrow keys to navigate.
Arrow to 'off', then tab to ok & activate. Press ok as many times as
required to exit the dialog.

Please let us know if this helps.

On 8/5/20, Sharni-Lee Ward <sharni-lee.ward@hotmail.com> wrote:
Just checked the addons page and didn't see it there. I still don't like
the sound of an addon with that name.

On 6/08/2020 3:30 pm, Sharni-Lee Ward wrote:
I don't want my speech silenced!

On 6/08/2020 2:58 pm, Curtis Delzer wrote:
download silencio,

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curtis@calweb.com

On 8/5/2020 9:49 PM, Sharni-Lee Ward wrote:
So I just finally decided to brave the Python 3 hurdle, and updated
from 2019.2.1 to 2020.2. I've updated the addons I could and wanted
to keep, and they're both working fine.


I am, however, having an odd little issue with the synth's speech.
I'm using ESpeak NG, and the latest NVDA. I'm on Windows 10.

My issue is that occasionally, most often at the ends of sentences
and on the word image in the context of that being an object, the
speech will break up slightly, for a brief but noticeable fraction
of a second. It happens irregularly, and I don't know what to do to
fix it. I asked on a Discord server I'm a member of, and someone
there told me to switch audio output from Microsoft Sound Mapper to
my speakers/headphones. I did this, but it hasn't helped.


I've also noticed a slight but noticeable lag when deleting
characters, and in single-letter navigation. In the latter, It takes
most of a second before NVDA announces the item the cursor has moved
to after the letter was pressed.


Any help regarding these issues would be sincerely appreciated.







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Re: Idea for an Addon

Vaibhav Bhandari
 

So would it be possible for NVDA to have this feature too?

On 8/6/20, Daniel Damacena <danieldamacena.ma@gmail.com> wrote:
Well, ebook readers like bookworm or qread have this feature.

Em qui., 6 de ago. de 2020 às 00:19, Vaibhav Bhandari <
vaibhavbhandari2017@gmail.com> escreveu:

Hi all,
So recently I was thinking like many people out their, whenever they
read some book/novel/any other thing, they tend to mark something
which they feel is important. Now I was wondering if such an addon for
NVDA could be developed through which it would jump from the first
bold text to the next. Is their already such an addon or can it be
developed?

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Re: Speaking the word just typed.

Jacob Kruger
 

This setting is under NVDA settings, speech, or else you can toggle it using NVDA key + number row 3 - that's with, I think, both desktop and laptop keyboard layouts.


Stay well


Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"...resistance is futile...but, acceptance is versatile..."

On 2020-08-06 12:01 PM, Gerry wrote:
Hi

Apologies if this seems simple, but I am sure that nvda used to speak each word  as it was typed. For some reason my system has stopped doing this and I cannot find the setting to re-instate the feature.

I am using nvda version 2020.1 and the latest Windows 10.

Advice welcome.

best regards

Gerry
Speaking the word just typed.

Gerry
 

Hi

Apologies if this seems simple, but I am sure that nvda used to speak each word  as it was typed. For some reason my system has stopped doing this and I cannot find the setting to re-instate the feature.

I am using nvda version 2020.1 and the latest Windows 10.

Advice welcome.

best regards

Gerry
Re: NVDA 2020.2 and Word Track Changes: finding the issue in Github

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi Sylvie,

Good question - and one to which there is no easy answer.  Probably the best I can think of is what are the most common words someone might use in describing the problem.  So for this one, shift+a is good as that is the exact keystroke which is misbehaving.  Annotation could also work since that's NVDA's name for the command.

If you're unsure, feel free to post here as that way you can also find out if anyone else is experiencing it, and if THEY have already reported it, or perhaps find an answer.  At worst, if you post an issue and it already exists, someone will see it, realise it's a duplicate, and close it as such, pointing you to the open issue.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Thu, Aug 6, 2020 at 5:29 PM Sylvie Duchateau <sduchateau@...> wrote:

Hello Quentin, Sandra and all,

Thank your Quentin for noting that the issue already exists.

As already noted to Sandra, I had tested on NVDA 2019.2 and 2019.3 and shift+A worked.

But as you noted in the issue on Github it does not work with NVDA 2020.2.

So my question: in order to avoid duplicated issue what is the best way to find if an issue has already been posted on that subject or not?

You will answer, searching in the Github issues, but you have to type the words that were used for the issue.

For example, if I look for shift+A does not work, I am not sure that I would find the issue it is related to.

Any hints on writing issues and not duplicating?

Best

Sylvie

De : nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> De la part de Quentin Christensen via groups.io
Envoyé : mercredi 5 août 2020 09:21
À : nvda@nvda.groups.io
Objet : Re: [nvda] NVDA 2020.2 and Word Track Changes

 

Hi Sandra,

 

GitHub is not difficult to use.  You do need to create an account, but that simply requires and email address and password, as most sites do these days.

 

As it happens though, this isn't actually a new bug, and there is an issue for it: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/7342  

 

Kind regards

 

Quentin.

 

On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 3:06 AM Sandra Pilz <sandra914481@...> wrote:

Hi Sarah,

 

 

No, I didn't file this on gidhub, I'm not familiar with the site.

 

Regards

 

 

Sandra

 

 

 

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Am 03.08.2020 um 18:38 schrieb Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...>:



Did you bug this on the github page? If so can you provide the link?

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On 3 Aug 2020, at 9:34, Sandra Pilz wrote:

Hi Sylvie,

 

Thank you for trying it. Probably we can assume that it's a new bug in the current version of NVDA. 

 

Thanks for confirmming. 

 

Regards

 

Sandra

 

 

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Am 03.08.2020 um 16:55 schrieb Sylvie Duchateau <sduchateau@...>:



Hello Sandra and all,

I use Office 365 in French with NVDA 2020.2.

I tested what you describe on a word document with track changes enabled.

I noticed the same as you mentioned:

While typing a to jump to the next change, everything is ok.

However, going backwards with shift+a jumps to the first change and does not go to all others.

I tested the same document with nvda 2019.2 and 2019.3, and the shortcut works properly.

I can’t explain what the problem is.

Best

Sylvie

De : nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> De la part de Sandra Pilz via groups.io
Envoyé : lundi 3 août 2020 14:27
À : nvda@nvda.groups.io
Objet : [nvda] NVDA 2020.2 and Word Track Changes

 

Hi,

 

I am using the current version of NVDA, 2020.2. When I am in a word document with track changes enabled, I can go to reading mode and press a to go to the next change and again to the next change and so on. However, I can't move to the previous change. When I press shift+a, NVDA will tell me no changes were found, although it took me through them when I went forward using just a.

 

I am using Office 365. Also, I'm using a German version of NVDA, so I don't know if the key to cycle through changes is different in the English version. However, A is the correct key in my version.

 

Can I do something to solve this, or is this a new bug?

 

 

Regards

 

Sandra

 


 

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