Hi,
That’s the information we’ve been waiting for. At least it helps us narrow down the culprit a bit further.
Cheers,
Joseph
Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2020 2:38 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Speech crackling/breaking up in latest NVDA
The make is Asus and I don't know off the top of my head what the model is. I do know I have Realtec drivers, and that they were responsible for the internal mike on my laptop being as godawful as it is, but I couldn't find the enhancements for that. My USB mike is far superior so I don't care about it any more.
It should be noted that this never happens with audio from other sources.
On 7/08/2020 7:29 am, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Thu, Aug 6, 2020 at 05:24 PM, Sharni-Lee Ward wrote:
I don't know how to check this or how to update the driver without assistance.
-
Which I'm happy to provide, but more information is necessary. As a starting point, what is the make and model of your computer?
--Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363
A gentleman is one who never hurts anyone's feelings unintentionally.
~ Oscar Wilde
It's perfectly fine to run 2019.2.1. It should keep working for a while.
If it works for you, then great. One thing you might have a problem with
is finding copies of addons that work with it.
The core functionality of NVDA is to speak, so this seems pretty
important to get right.
See the comment I made to #11061 this morning for an easily
reproduceable test case.
On 8/6/2020 2:31 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:Hi,
It’s up to you, but at this time, I advise not going to anything earlier
than 2019.3.
Cheers,
Joseph
*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> *On Behalf Of
*Sharni-Lee Ward
*Sent:* Thursday, August 6, 2020 2:30 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Speech crackling/breaking up in latest NVDA
Would it be better for me to roll back my NVDA then? Or should I stick
this out and hope improvements come along eventually? I can assure you I
didn't have this problem before I updated, but I was concerned the minor
accessibility issues I was having might be due to my having an outdated
version of NVDA on my system.
On 7/08/2020 2:36 am, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
Part of these have to do with speech refactor. Python 3.7 did
contribute somewhat, but we’re basically talking about multiple
changes at once. At the moment NV Access folks are working hard on
improving performance and fixing outstanding Office usability bugs.
Cheers,
Joseph
*From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
<nvda@nvda.groups.io> <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Sean
*Sent:* Thursday, August 6, 2020 9:31 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Speech crackling/breaking up in latest NVDA
Unfortunately, the old stability disappeared with the move to Python3.
I have an Issue about this. But the NVDA team said this would be a
difficult / complex process.
Nothing can be done right now.
1. https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/11061
2. https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/10971
On 06/08/2020 07:49, Sharni-Lee Ward wrote:
So I just finally decided to brave the Python 3 hurdle, and
updated from 2019.2.1 to 2020.2. I've updated the addons I could
and wanted to keep, and they're both working fine.
I am, however, having an odd little issue with the synth's
speech. I'm using ESpeak NG, and the latest NVDA. I'm on Windows
10.
My issue is that occasionally, most often at the ends of
sentences and on the word image in the context of that being an
object, the speech will break up slightly, for a brief but
noticeable fraction of a second. It happens irregularly, and I
don't know what to do to fix it. I asked on a Discord server I'm
a member of, and someone there told me to switch audio output
from Microsoft Sound Mapper to my speakers/headphones. I did
this, but it hasn't helped.
I've also noticed a slight but noticeable lag when deleting
characters, and in single-letter navigation. In the latter, It
takes most of a second before NVDA announces the item the cursor
has moved to after the letter was pressed.
Any help regarding these issues would be sincerely appreciated.
--
Sean
* Email: seantolstoyevski@...
<mailto:seantolstoyevski@...>
* GitHub: SeanTolstoyevski <https://github.com/SeanTolstoyevski/>
👨🦯I’m programmer. I coding often Python, sometimes Go and rarely
C++.
Speech output is one of the major components of NVDA. However, I would say that interpretation is a slightly higher priority, along with responsiveness in how it is carried out. Not that I don't value speech issues as something to be ignored - it is a major priority. I wrote the below statement, recognizing that Python Software Foundation itself no longer supports Python 2.7, which has huge implications even for NVDA at some point. Older NVDA releases will work fine, but we cannot ignore the speed on which we drive the highway.
Cheers,
Joseph
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tyler Spivey
Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2020 2:38 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Speech crackling/breaking up in latest NVDA
It's perfectly fine to run 2019.2.1. It should keep working for a while.
If it works for you, then great. One thing you might have a problem with is finding copies of addons that work with it.
The core functionality of NVDA is to speak, so this seems pretty important to get right.
See the comment I made to #11061 this morning for an easily reproduceable test case.
On 8/6/2020 2:31 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
It’s up to you, but at this time, I advise not going to anything
earlier than 2019.3.
Cheers,
Joseph
*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> *On Behalf Of
*Sharni-Lee Ward
*Sent:* Thursday, August 6, 2020 2:30 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Speech crackling/breaking up in latest NVDA
Would it be better for me to roll back my NVDA then? Or should I stick
this out and hope improvements come along eventually? I can assure you
I didn't have this problem before I updated, but I was concerned the
minor accessibility issues I was having might be due to my having an
outdated version of NVDA on my system.
On 7/08/2020 2:36 am, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
Part of these have to do with speech refactor. Python 3.7 did
contribute somewhat, but we’re basically talking about multiple
changes at once. At the moment NV Access folks are working hard on
improving performance and fixing outstanding Office usability bugs.
Cheers,
Joseph
*From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
<nvda@nvda.groups.io> <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Sean
*Sent:* Thursday, August 6, 2020 9:31 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Speech crackling/breaking up in latest NVDA
Unfortunately, the old stability disappeared with the move to Python3.
I have an Issue about this. But the NVDA team said this would be a
difficult / complex process.
Nothing can be done right now.
1. https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/11061
2. https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/10971
On 06/08/2020 07:49, Sharni-Lee Ward wrote:
So I just finally decided to brave the Python 3 hurdle, and
updated from 2019.2.1 to 2020.2. I've updated the addons I could
and wanted to keep, and they're both working fine.
I am, however, having an odd little issue with the synth's
speech. I'm using ESpeak NG, and the latest NVDA. I'm on Windows
10.
My issue is that occasionally, most often at the ends of
sentences and on the word image in the context of that being an
object, the speech will break up slightly, for a brief but
noticeable fraction of a second. It happens irregularly, and I
don't know what to do to fix it. I asked on a Discord server I'm
a member of, and someone there told me to switch audio output
from Microsoft Sound Mapper to my speakers/headphones. I did
this, but it hasn't helped.
I've also noticed a slight but noticeable lag when deleting
characters, and in single-letter navigation. In the latter, It
takes most of a second before NVDA announces the item the cursor
has moved to after the letter was pressed.
Any help regarding these issues would be sincerely appreciated.
--
Sean
* Email: seantolstoyevski@...
<mailto:seantolstoyevski@...>
* GitHub: SeanTolstoyevski
<https://github.com/SeanTolstoyevski/>
👨🦯I’m programmer. I coding often Python, sometimes Go and rarely
C++.
If it works for you, then great. One thing you might have a problem with
is finding copies of addons that work with it.
The core functionality of NVDA is to speak, so this seems pretty
important to get right.
See the comment I made to #11061 this morning for an easily
reproduceable test case.
Hi,
It’s up to you, but at this time, I advise not going to anything earlier
than 2019.3.
Cheers,
Joseph
*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> *On Behalf Of
*Sharni-Lee Ward
*Sent:* Thursday, August 6, 2020 2:30 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Speech crackling/breaking up in latest NVDA
Would it be better for me to roll back my NVDA then? Or should I stick
this out and hope improvements come along eventually? I can assure you I
didn't have this problem before I updated, but I was concerned the minor
accessibility issues I was having might be due to my having an outdated
version of NVDA on my system.
On 7/08/2020 2:36 am, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
Part of these have to do with speech refactor. Python 3.7 did
contribute somewhat, but we’re basically talking about multiple
changes at once. At the moment NV Access folks are working hard on
improving performance and fixing outstanding Office usability bugs.
Cheers,
Joseph
*From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
<nvda@nvda.groups.io> <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Sean
*Sent:* Thursday, August 6, 2020 9:31 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Speech crackling/breaking up in latest NVDA
Unfortunately, the old stability disappeared with the move to Python3.
I have an Issue about this. But the NVDA team said this would be a
difficult / complex process.
Nothing can be done right now.
1. https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/11061
2. https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/10971
On 06/08/2020 07:49, Sharni-Lee Ward wrote:
So I just finally decided to brave the Python 3 hurdle, and
updated from 2019.2.1 to 2020.2. I've updated the addons I could
and wanted to keep, and they're both working fine.
I am, however, having an odd little issue with the synth's
speech. I'm using ESpeak NG, and the latest NVDA. I'm on Windows
10.
My issue is that occasionally, most often at the ends of
sentences and on the word image in the context of that being an
object, the speech will break up slightly, for a brief but
noticeable fraction of a second. It happens irregularly, and I
don't know what to do to fix it. I asked on a Discord server I'm
a member of, and someone there told me to switch audio output
from Microsoft Sound Mapper to my speakers/headphones. I did
this, but it hasn't helped.
I've also noticed a slight but noticeable lag when deleting
characters, and in single-letter navigation. In the latter, It
takes most of a second before NVDA announces the item the cursor
has moved to after the letter was pressed.
Any help regarding these issues would be sincerely appreciated.
--
Sean
* Email: seantolstoyevski@...
<mailto:seantolstoyevski@...>
* GitHub: SeanTolstoyevski <https://github.com/SeanTolstoyevski/>
👨🦯I’m programmer. I coding often Python, sometimes Go and rarely
C++.
The make is Asus and I don't know off the top of my head what the model is. I do know I have Realtec drivers, and that they were responsible for the internal mike on my laptop being as godawful as it is, but I couldn't find the enhancements for that. My USB mike is far superior so I don't care about it any more.
It should be noted that this never happens with audio from other
sources.
On Thu, Aug 6, 2020 at 05:24 PM, Sharni-Lee Ward wrote:
I don't know how to check this or how to update the driver without assistance.-
Which I'm happy to provide, but more information is necessary. As a starting point, what is the make and model of your computer?
--
Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363
A gentleman is one who never hurts anyone's feelings unintentionally.
~ Oscar Wilde
That works perfectly. I don't know how I missed that one.
Have you considered using object navigation instead of screen review? This is actually what I do and it works beautifully. Simply in laptop mode (I don't use desktop mode ever) do an nvda shift left and right to move between objects, and nvda down and up to interact and not interact with each object. You do not in my experience need to switch modes.
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On 6 Aug 2020, at 4:37, Ron Canazzi wrote:
Hello Group,
Until recently (I am not sure when this started) when I would manually run a Virus scan for Windows security, I could switch to the screen review cursor and look at the dialogue including the progress and setting. Now when I try this during a scan, all NVDA says is 'blandk.' Now if I use the read dialogue keystroke insert + B, after reading through a bunch of superfluous items such as the tool bars and system items, I do get the scan progress information read correctly. This means that it must be recognizable by NVDA at some level.
Has anyone else seen this issue? If so, is there some way of rectifying the situation? If NVDA sees it in the read dialogue context, shouldn't it be available in some form so that it can be read more easily?
Thanks for any help.
--
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"
-- They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes. They ask: "How Happy are You?" I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"
Hi,
It’s up to you, but at this time, I advise not going to anything earlier than 2019.3.
Cheers,
Joseph
Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2020 2:30 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Speech crackling/breaking up in latest NVDA
Would it be better for me to roll back my NVDA then? Or should I stick this out and hope improvements come along eventually? I can assure you I didn't have this problem before I updated, but I was concerned the minor accessibility issues I was having might be due to my having an outdated version of NVDA on my system.
On 7/08/2020 2:36 am, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
Part of these have to do with speech refactor. Python 3.7 did contribute somewhat, but we’re basically talking about multiple changes at once. At the moment NV Access folks are working hard on improving performance and fixing outstanding Office usability bugs.
Cheers,
Joseph
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sean
Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2020 9:31 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Speech crackling/breaking up in latest NVDA
Unfortunately, the old stability disappeared with the move to Python3.
I have an Issue about this. But the NVDA team said this would be a difficult / complex process.
Nothing can be done right now.1. https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/11061
2. https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/10971On 06/08/2020 07:49, Sharni-Lee Ward wrote:
So I just finally decided to brave the Python 3 hurdle, and updated from 2019.2.1 to 2020.2. I've updated the addons I could and wanted to keep, and they're both working fine.
I am, however, having an odd little issue with the synth's speech. I'm using ESpeak NG, and the latest NVDA. I'm on Windows 10.
My issue is that occasionally, most often at the ends of sentences and on the word image in the context of that being an object, the speech will break up slightly, for a brief but noticeable fraction of a second. It happens irregularly, and I don't know what to do to fix it. I asked on a Discord server I'm a member of, and someone there told me to switch audio output from Microsoft Sound Mapper to my speakers/headphones. I did this, but it hasn't helped.
I've also noticed a slight but noticeable lag when deleting characters, and in single-letter navigation. In the latter, It takes most of a second before NVDA announces the item the cursor has moved to after the letter was pressed.
Any help regarding these issues would be sincerely appreciated.--
Sean
👨🦯 I’m programmer. I coding often Python, sometimes Go and rarely C++.
Would it be better for me to roll back my NVDA then? Or should I
stick this out and hope improvements come along eventually? I can
assure you I didn't have this problem before I updated, but I was
concerned the minor accessibility issues I was having might be due
to my having an outdated version of NVDA on my system.
Hi,
Part of these have to do with speech refactor. Python 3.7 did contribute somewhat, but we’re basically talking about multiple changes at once. At the moment NV Access folks are working hard on improving performance and fixing outstanding Office usability bugs.
Cheers,
Joseph
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sean
Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2020 9:31 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Speech crackling/breaking up in latest NVDA
Unfortunately, the old stability disappeared with the move to Python3.
I have an Issue about this. But the NVDA team said this would be a difficult / complex process.
Nothing can be done right now.1. https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/11061
2. https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/10971On 06/08/2020 07:49, Sharni-Lee Ward wrote:
So I just finally decided to brave the Python 3 hurdle, and updated from 2019.2.1 to 2020.2. I've updated the addons I could and wanted to keep, and they're both working fine.
I am, however, having an odd little issue with the synth's speech. I'm using ESpeak NG, and the latest NVDA. I'm on Windows 10.
My issue is that occasionally, most often at the ends of sentences and on the word image in the context of that being an object, the speech will break up slightly, for a brief but noticeable fraction of a second. It happens irregularly, and I don't know what to do to fix it. I asked on a Discord server I'm a member of, and someone there told me to switch audio output from Microsoft Sound Mapper to my speakers/headphones. I did this, but it hasn't helped.
I've also noticed a slight but noticeable lag when deleting characters, and in single-letter navigation. In the latter, It takes most of a second before NVDA announces the item the cursor has moved to after the letter was pressed.
Any help regarding these issues would be sincerely appreciated.
--
Sean
👨🦯 I’m programmer. I coding often Python, sometimes Go and rarely C++.
I don't know how to check this or how to update the driver without assistance.-
Which I'm happy to provide, but more information is necessary. As a starting point, what is the make and model of your computer?
--
Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363
A gentleman is one who never hurts anyone's feelings unintentionally.
~ Oscar Wilde
Gene
From: Sharni-Lee Ward
Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2020 4:24 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Speech crackling/breaking up in latest NVDA
I don't know how to check this or how to update the driver without assistance. If I mess something up and lose sound, I will have far bigger problems than this. And will also be down a computer. Which would be bad.
On 7/08/2020 2:12 am, Brian Vogel wrote:
Also be certain that the device drivers for your sound device(s) are completely up to date. I see more complaints coming across the general purpose Windows 10 technical support groups about pops, cracks, and other audio irregularities that I ever have with any prior version of Windows. It can almost always be traced back to the drivers, whether that's because the ones installed are old and from the OEM (whether of your computer or sound card), or are newer but Microsoft issued generic ones where the latest OEM drivers are really needed.
--
Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363
A gentleman is one who never hurts anyone's feelings unintentionally.
~ Oscar Wilde
I often use object navigation when navigating through the screens in Kaspersky Antivirus.
David Goldfield, Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist JAWS Certified, 2019 WWW.DavidGoldfield.org
Thank you to all who have offered their experiences and to all who may have yet to do so. This is exactly what I was hoping to get when I made the initial post, and I really, really appreciate the input.
--
Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363
A gentleman is one who never hurts anyone's feelings unintentionally.
~ Oscar Wilde
Which antivirus are you talking about?I am using malwarebytes. It is not totally accessible. Whenever I need to activate an option I need to bring the mouse to it and click on it, but it is really effective!
Em qui., 6 de ago. de 2020 às 08:37, Ron Canazzi <aa2vm@...> escreveu:
Hello Group,
Until recently (I am not sure when this started) when I would manually
run a Virus scan for Windows security, I could switch to the screen
review cursor and look at the dialogue including the progress and
setting. Now when I try this during a scan, all NVDA says is 'blandk.'
Now if I use the read dialogue keystroke insert + B, after reading
through a bunch of superfluous items such as the tool bars and system
items, I do get the scan progress information read correctly. This
means that it must be recognizable by NVDA at some level.
Has anyone else seen this issue? If so, is there some way of rectifying
the situation? If NVDA sees it in the read dialogue context, shouldn't
it be available in some form so that it can be read more easily?
Thanks for any help.
--
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"
--
Daniel Damacena
-- They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes. They ask: "How Happy are You?" I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"
I don't know how to check this or how to update the driver
without assistance. If I mess something up and lose sound, I will
have far bigger problems than this. And will also be down a
computer. Which would be bad.
Also be certain that the device drivers for your sound device(s) are completely up to date. I see more complaints coming across the general purpose Windows 10 technical support groups about pops, cracks, and other audio irregularities that I ever have with any prior version of Windows. It can almost always be traced back to the drivers, whether that's because the ones installed are old and from the OEM (whether of your computer or sound card), or are newer but Microsoft issued generic ones where the latest OEM drivers are really needed.
--
Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363
A gentleman is one who never hurts anyone's feelings unintentionally.
~ Oscar Wilde
--
Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363
A gentleman is one who never hurts anyone's feelings unintentionally.
~ Oscar Wilde
I'm sorry. Wrong version number, 78.1.0.
Sorry, but why don't you update Thunderbird?
Mine is in version 68.11.0...
Rui Fontes
Às 17:42 de 06/08/2020, Governor staten escreveu:
I'm hearing the same things. I'm using Thunderbird 8.1.0. You could see if turning off the status bar under toolbars might help you.
This was supposed to be addressed. However, it seems to be an imperfect fix on my end.
On 8/6/2020 12:11 PM, Jarek.Krcmar wrote:
Hello everyone,
In Thunderbird, Nvda tells me: Moved a message from the Inbox, Copying a message to the Drafts folder, and tells me something about the account. He also wants to say something when sending the message.
Can it be turned off somewhere?
Regards
Actually when you go to http://mee6.xyz and go to its dashboard you have to move from object to object to access list boxes etc. Not all the time, but most of the time if you want to make sense of the page.
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There are places where it works well and where it doesn't. Also, very different methods workk depending on what you are navigating. On a web page, for example, if you want to move through text, that text is all going to be one object, as far as I can tell. So just numpad 7 or nine, move back or forward by line works to do this. Numpad 8 is read current line.
4 and 6 is move by word. 5 is read current word.
1 and 3 is move by caraacter. 2 is read current carachter.
But what about moving from object to object?
Use numpad insert 4 to move left by object and numpad 6 to move right by object. You may not be able to read much of anything using the object movement keys I gave first in the object you move to but that's how you read what is in the object. . Those keys are for reading what is in that specific object once you have moved to it. Is there an object in that object where you can read more? To find out, use numpad insert 2 while in that object, and if you move into one, use the move in object keys.
Perhaps there is an object above the one you are in where you can see more relevant materiall. To move up, use numpad insert numpad 8. Don't forget that if you have moved down into another object, you need to issue the command twice, once to move up to the object you were in, then again to move to the next higher object.
You can experiment by trying to move from one object to another object, then reading what, if anything is in it.
You will get a feel for this form of movement by moving. You can't really explain it well in terms of application except more or less as I have. Which is why I don't like explanations that do a lot of explaining of structures at first. Some explanation is useful such as moving into an object within an object or moving to an object above the one you are in. The one below the one you are in is more specific, the one above is more general. But aside from such explanations, the real way to learn and get a feel for what you are doing is to move in the interface.
More detailed explanations may be of interest after the person gets a feel for moving.
An example of learning by doing is that when you are in a program, when you move up, you may move from the main window to an obbject before you actually get into the main window.
In Notepad, for example, move up once. You are now in an object that says Notepad window and you can see the menu titles when you use the reading commands I gave initially. You can open a menu by moving to a menu, then moving down to a lower object.
If you have moved into this window, moving up again will take you to the desktop window. If you want to move back down to the Notepad main window, the easiest way is to alt tab out of it then alt tab back. If you are using the default setting that the object navigator follows where you are, it is now back in the main window of the program.
In Notepad, when you are in the main window, if a document is opened, it is all one object. You can read it all using the reading keys I gave at the beginning of this discussion.
Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2020 11:07 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Object Navigation - Where and How Do You Use It?
Hello All,
This is a navigation method that I really have yet to wrap my head around. My intent with this topic is not to trigger a discussion of the abstract concepts of object navigation, though they're certainly not unwelcome, but to elicit a collection of specific programs/dialogs/etc. where you personally use object navigation to get around in it and how it travels when you do.
I have not had a lot of luck yet when just playing with object navigation at random, and figure I (and perhaps many others) might "get the hang of it" much better if we were trying it out in a context either that we're familiar with but haven't used it, or in a context someone else has described so that our experimentation has more meaning from the outset.
If you feel so inclined, please share.
--
Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363
A gentleman is one who never hurts anyone's feelings unintentionally.
~ Oscar Wilde
Curtis Delzer
HS
K 6 V F O
Rialto, CA
curtis@...
Silenzio doesn't silence speech. It solves a problem where the sound card times out after it isn't doing anything for a short time. When you do something that causes speech to occur again, there is a pause before it starts because the sound card has stopped working. Silenzio sends inaudible audio signals to the sound card to stop it from timing out. That doesn't sound like your problem because, according to your description, your problem occurs while speech is occuring.
Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Jackie
Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2020 12:52 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Speech crackling/breaking up in latest NVDA
Sharni-Lee, this often happens in Windows 10 in conjunction w/a
Realtech audio driver. Specifically, it happens when enhancements are
enabled.
Try going to control panel > sound, then down arrow till you hear your
playback device announced. It might sound similar to:
Speakers; Realtek(R) Audio;
Press alt p for properties.
Control tab till you hear "spatial sound" announced.
At this point you should be in a dropdown list which you can use your
up & down arrow keys to navigate.
Arrow to 'off', then tab to ok & activate. Press ok as many times as
required to exit the dialog.
Please let us know if this helps.
On 8/5/20, Sharni-Lee Ward <sharni-lee.ward@...> wrote:Just checked the addons page and didn't see it there. I still don't like
the sound of an addon with that name.
On 6/08/2020 3:30 pm, Sharni-Lee Ward wrote:I don't want my speech silenced!
On 6/08/2020 2:58 pm, Curtis Delzer wrote:download silencio,
Curtis Delzer
HS
K 6 V F O
Rialto, CA
curtis@...
On 8/5/2020 9:49 PM, Sharni-Lee Ward wrote:So I just finally decided to brave the Python 3 hurdle, and updated
from 2019.2.1 to 2020.2. I've updated the addons I could and wanted
to keep, and they're both working fine.
I am, however, having an odd little issue with the synth's speech.
I'm using ESpeak NG, and the latest NVDA. I'm on Windows 10.
My issue is that occasionally, most often at the ends of sentences
and on the word image in the context of that being an object, the
speech will break up slightly, for a brief but noticeable fraction
of a second. It happens irregularly, and I don't know what to do to
fix it. I asked on a Discord server I'm a member of, and someone
there told me to switch audio output from Microsoft Sound Mapper to
my speakers/headphones. I did this, but it hasn't helped.
I've also noticed a slight but noticeable lag when deleting
characters, and in single-letter navigation. In the latter, It takes
most of a second before NVDA announces the item the cursor has moved
to after the letter was pressed.
Any help regarding these issues would be sincerely appreciated.
Hi Jesse
The Update and Security/Windows update controls are all accessible via the tab key, although I have noticed that when you tab to “Windows Update” in the sub categories list you now have to press enter on it to access the controls for that sub-category whereas it would previously default to selecting and displaying the controls for the 1st sub category listed. The “Virtual Review” add-on is very useful for reading additional information in windows that cannot be tabbed to.
Cheers
Chris
Sent: 06 August 2020 17:14
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Object Navigation - Where and How Do You Use It?
Hello Brian,
I think I will skip over describing how object nav is actually used, as I'm not the best at making that part make sense. However, as an example I find it very helpful specifically in the following two programs.
The Windows settings program. Let's say you go to update and security, and then Windows Update. From there, you could use NVDA+B to hear if there is any update available for your machine, but depending on your screenreader's speed that could take a while. Alternatively, you could use object nav to navigate that area instead. Coincidentally, I don't think you can actually get to the check for updates button with just the tab key anyway.
This also lets you see more useful info in an easier to understand format, while you don't have countless other things being thrown in your face as well.
Another app as I indicated, which it is useful in... as much as I hate to admit it, is the HP Support Assistant program. Object Nav has been a necessity for use in that program. Otherwise, you miss a lot of information.
Another area I thought of just now is if you're transfering files from one place to another via cut/copy and paste. You can use object nav to monitor the progress of the transfer rather than using NVDA+B incessantly.
Hope this helps.
Sorry, but why don't you update Thunderbird?
Mine is in version 68.11.0...
Rui Fontes
I'm hearing the same things. I'm using Thunderbird 8.1.0. You could see if turning off the status bar under toolbars might help you.
This was supposed to be addressed. However, it seems to be an imperfect fix on my end.
On 8/6/2020 12:11 PM, Jarek.Krcmar wrote:
Hello everyone,
In Thunderbird, Nvda tells me: Moved a message from the Inbox, Copying a message to the Drafts folder, and tells me something about the account. He also wants to say something when sending the message.
Can it be turned off somewhere?
Regards
Gene
From: Gene
Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2020 12:01 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Object Navigation - Where and How Do You Use It?
Here is another correction:
I said that in the Notepad object where you see the menus, you can open them
by moving down. That isn't correct. You will see other things if you move
down but to open a menu, move the mouse to the menu name then left click.
Then use the move down command to move in to the opened menu.
Evidently, the opened menu is another objecgt, available below the object
you are in once you open the menu.
I work with objects a reasonable amount but I don't do this sort of thing
generally, the means to do so being available in the program interface. I
caught the mistake when I tried to do what I described now. I'm sorry about
the error. I thought I remembered it correctly and only thought of making
sure after I sent the description.
Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2020 11:50 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Object Navigation - Where and How Do You Use It?
The discussion with corrections. I see I made this or that error in mhy
first description so I'm sending it again making corrections. Use the
corrected version below my signature.
Gene
There are places where it works well and where it doesn't. Also, very
different methods workk depending on what you are navigating. On a web
page, for example, if you want to move through text, that text is all going
to be one object, as far as I can tell. So just numpad 7 or nine, move back
or forward by line works to do this. Numpad 8 is read current line.
4 and 6 is move by word. 5 is read current word.
1 and 3 is move by caraacter. 2 is read current carachter.
But what about moving from object to object?
Use numpad insert 4 to move left by object and numpad insert 6 to move right
by
object. You may not be able to read much of anything using the object
reading keys I gave first in the object you move to but that's how you read
what is in the object. . Those keys are for reading what is in that
specific object once you have moved to it. Is there an object in that
object where you can read more? To find out, use numpad insert 2 while in
that object, and if you move into one, use the read in object keys.
Perhaps there is an object above the one you are in where you can see more
relevant materiall. To move up, use numpad insert numpad 8. Don't forget
that if you have moved down into another object, you need to issue the
command twice, once to move up to the object you were in, then again to move
to the next higher object.
You can experiment by trying to move from one object to another object, then
reading what, if anything is in it.
You will get a feel for this form of movement by moving. You can't really
explain it well in terms of application except more or less as I have.
Which is why I don't like explanations that do a lot of explaining of
structures at first. Some explanation is useful such as moving into an
object within an object or moving to an object above the one you are in.
The one below the one you are in is more specific, the one above is more
general. But aside from such explanations, the real way to learn and get a
feel for what you are doing is to move in the interface.
More detailed explanations may be of interest after the person gets a feel
for moving.
An example of learning by doing is that when you are in a program, when you
move up, you may move from the main window to an obbject before you actually
get into the main window.
In Notepad, for example, move up once. You are now in an object that says
Notepad window and you can see the menu titles when you use the reading
commands I gave initially. You can open a menu by moving to a menu, then
moving down to a lower object.
If you have moved into this window, moving up again will take you to the
desktop window. If you want to move back down to the Notepad main window,
the easiest way is to alt tab out of it then alt tab back. If you are using
the default setting that the object navigator follows where you are, it is
now back in the main window of the program.
In Notepad, when you are in the main window, if a document is opened, it is
all one object. You can read it all using the reading keys I gave at the
beginning of this discussion.
Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2020 11:07 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Object Navigation - Where and How Do You Use It?
Hello All,
This is a navigation method that I really have yet to wrap my head
around. My intent with this topic is not to trigger a discussion of the
abstract concepts of object navigation, though they're certainly not
unwelcome, but to elicit a collection of specific programs/dialogs/etc.
where you personally use object navigation to get around in it and how it
travels when you do.
I have not had a lot of luck yet when just playing with object
navigation at random, and figure I (and perhaps many others) might "get the
hang of it" much better if we were trying it out in a context either that
we're familiar with but haven't used it, or in a context someone else has
described so that our experimentation has more meaning from the outset.
If you feel so inclined, please share.
--
Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363
A gentleman is one who never hurts anyone's feelings unintentionally.
~ Oscar Wilde