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Re: Speech crackling/breaking up in latest NVDA
Sharni-Lee Ward
Problem being, I was told how to turn off enhancements yesterday,
but when I followed those instructions, I found that the
enhancements were already turned off!
On 7/08/2020 7:43 am, Joseph Lee wrote:
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Re: Object Navigation - Where and How Do You Use It?
Jackie,
Thanks. While I definitely get what object navigation is in the abstract, when I have attempted to play with it, where I attempted to play with it, I did not get results that were what I was expecting. That's the main reason I wanted some example contexts so that I could know whether I was making some sort of bone-headed mistake or not. I am no exception to the general rule, "When things aren't going as expected, or documented, suspect user error first!" People have often gotten irritated when I state this, but it's been proven, and by myself about myself, too, in far too many instances over the decades to be ignored. -- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363 A gentleman is one who never hurts anyone's feelings unintentionally. ~ Oscar Wilde
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Re: Speech crackling/breaking up in latest NVDA
On Thu, Aug 6, 2020 at 05:56 PM, Gene wrote:
Before making changes such as installing a different driver, if there is no sighted help available in a reasonable time, should anything be done without an external USB sound card, speaker, or headphones?- A very reasonable question, that's for sure, and if it were my only computer, and I'd be completely "dead in the water" without it, then I'd definitely not be doing major updates to audio device drivers in particular if I didn't have emergency sighted assistance, and that assistant has to have an idea of dealing with rolling back updates to drivers, before doing so. All of the above being said, and meant, I have never had a driver update that was supplied by the computer's manufacturer (or the sound card's manufacturer) that killed a device when applied. The same cannot be said of third-party sources, which is why I warn people that there are only three sources from which drivers should be sourced and updates be accepted: Windows Update, the support page from your computer's manufacturer, the support page from the device's manufacturer. -- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363 A gentleman is one who never hurts anyone's feelings unintentionally. ~ Oscar Wilde
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Re: Object Navigation - Where and How Do You Use It?
Jackie
Brian, perhaps the easiest way to talk about object navigation is to
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think about what you do w/your mouse. You move around the screen, point at an object you want to interact with, & then click. If a program's funtions are accessible w/tab, shift-tab, & arrow keys, then object navigation isn't necessary. But what if they're not? (& often they aren't). This is when object navigation can become a real lifesaver. So it's basically accessing programatic elements when the customary keyboard commands can't. Does that help you at all?
On 8/6/20, David Goldfield <david.goldfield@...> wrote:
I often use object navigation when navigating through the screens in --
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Re: Speech crackling/breaking up in latest NVDA
Gene
Before making changes such as installing a different driver, if there is no sighted help available in a reasonable time, should anything be done without an external USB sound card, speaker, or headphones? For myself, it might be a number of days before sighted help might come and I would be very reluctant to try things if I didn't have an external sound card that I can connect to standard headphones or to my receiver for sound.
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Gene
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From: Brian Vogel Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2020 4:49 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Speech crackling/breaking up in latest NVDA On Thu, Aug 6, 2020 at 05:38 PM, Sharni-Lee Ward wrote: The make is Asus and I don't know off the top of my head what the model is.- Unfortunately, then, I'm stuck. There are, literally, thousands of Asus computer models, and without the specific model it's impossible to determine what the most recent drivers Asus has for a given computer are. The only way I know of that you might be able to get the model number, as what's provided varies by maker, is using the DXDIAG command. Hit Winkey+R, enter DXDIAG in the open edit box, then hit Enter. You'll get a message about needing to connect to the internet to check certain things which it's fine to OK, then after about 15-30 seconds a window will pop up with the title DirectX Diagnostic Tool and it is open to its System tab. In that tab, what's shown to the right of the label System model is the model. There is also an Sound tab where the driver information for your sound device (usually output device, e.g., speakers/headphones) is shown. What's important is the Date shown for the sound driver since you'd be checking on your computer's Drivers & Software page to see if the driver they offer is newer than what you have (also make a note of the version number, too, as there are times when an updated package is released, but the driver in it is the same version as an earlier package). -- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363 A gentleman is one who never hurts anyone's feelings unintentionally. ~ Oscar Wilde
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Re: Speech crackling/breaking up in latest NVDA
On Thu, Aug 6, 2020 at 05:38 PM, Sharni-Lee Ward wrote:
The make is Asus and I don't know off the top of my head what the model is.- Unfortunately, then, I'm stuck. There are, literally, thousands of Asus computer models, and without the specific model it's impossible to determine what the most recent drivers Asus has for a given computer are. The only way I know of that you might be able to get the model number, as what's provided varies by maker, is using the DXDIAG command. Hit Winkey+R, enter DXDIAG in the open edit box, then hit Enter. You'll get a message about needing to connect to the internet to check certain things which it's fine to OK, then after about 15-30 seconds a window will pop up with the title DirectX Diagnostic Tool and it is open to its System tab. In that tab, what's shown to the right of the label System model is the model. There is also an Sound tab where the driver information for your sound device (usually output device, e.g., speakers/headphones) is shown. What's important is the Date shown for the sound driver since you'd be checking on your computer's Drivers & Software page to see if the driver they offer is newer than what you have (also make a note of the version number, too, as there are times when an updated package is released, but the driver in it is the same version as an earlier package). -- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363 A gentleman is one who never hurts anyone's feelings unintentionally. ~ Oscar Wilde
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Re: Speech crackling/breaking up in latest NVDA
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I know you may have tried it, but does this happen if you switch to a different synthesizer? If it doesn’t, it would be better to talk to Espeak NG folks. My guess is that it is across synthesizers, and if yes, it is something we do need to think about. Cheers, Joseph
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sharni-Lee Ward Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2020 2:43 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Speech crackling/breaking up in latest NVDA I don't want to have to roll back. I went to the trouble of updating everything, and I don't have 2019.3 because I didn't download any updates between then and now. On 7/08/2020 7:38 am, Tyler Spivey wrote: It's perfectly fine to run 2019.2.1. It should keep working for a while.
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Re: Speech crackling/breaking up in latest NVDA
Hi, That’s the information we’ve been waiting for. At least it helps us narrow down the culprit a bit further. Cheers, Joseph
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sharni-Lee Ward
Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2020 2:38 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Speech crackling/breaking up in latest NVDA
The make is Asus and I don't know off the top of my head what the model is. I do know I have Realtec drivers, and that they were responsible for the internal mike on my laptop being as godawful as it is, but I couldn't find the enhancements for that. My USB mike is far superior so I don't care about it any more.
It should be noted that this never happens with audio from other sources. On 7/08/2020 7:29 am, Brian Vogel wrote:
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Re: Speech crackling/breaking up in latest NVDA
Sharni-Lee Ward
I don't want to have to roll back. I went to the trouble of updating everything, and I don't have 2019.3 because I didn't download any updates between then and now.
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On 7/08/2020 7:38 am, Tyler Spivey wrote:
It's perfectly fine to run 2019.2.1. It should keep working for a while.
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Re: Speech crackling/breaking up in latest NVDA
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Speech output is one of the major components of NVDA. However, I would say that interpretation is a slightly higher priority, along with responsiveness in how it is carried out. Not that I don't value speech issues as something to be ignored - it is a major priority. I wrote the below statement, recognizing that Python Software Foundation itself no longer supports Python 2.7, which has huge implications even for NVDA at some point. Older NVDA releases will work fine, but we cannot ignore the speed on which we drive the highway. Cheers, Joseph
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tyler Spivey Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2020 2:38 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Speech crackling/breaking up in latest NVDA It's perfectly fine to run 2019.2.1. It should keep working for a while. If it works for you, then great. One thing you might have a problem with is finding copies of addons that work with it. The core functionality of NVDA is to speak, so this seems pretty important to get right. See the comment I made to #11061 this morning for an easily reproduceable test case. On 8/6/2020 2:31 PM, Joseph Lee wrote: Hi,
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Re: Speech crackling/breaking up in latest NVDA
Tyler Spivey
It's perfectly fine to run 2019.2.1. It should keep working for a while.
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If it works for you, then great. One thing you might have a problem with is finding copies of addons that work with it. The core functionality of NVDA is to speak, so this seems pretty important to get right. See the comment I made to #11061 this morning for an easily reproduceable test case.
On 8/6/2020 2:31 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
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Re: Speech crackling/breaking up in latest NVDA
Sharni-Lee Ward
The make is Asus and I don't know off the top of my head what the model is. I do know I have Realtec drivers, and that they were responsible for the internal mike on my laptop being as godawful as it is, but I couldn't find the enhancements for that. My USB mike is far superior so I don't care about it any more.
It should be noted that this never happens with audio from other
sources.
On 7/08/2020 7:29 am, Brian Vogel
wrote:
On Thu, Aug 6, 2020 at 05:24 PM, Sharni-Lee Ward wrote:
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Re: Issue With Windows Security And Monitoring Virus Scan Progress
Ron Canazzi
Hi Sarah and Gene,
That works perfectly. I don't know how I missed that one. On 8/6/2020 11:09 AM, Sarah k Alawami
wrote:
-- They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes. They ask: "How Happy are You?" I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"
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Re: Speech crackling/breaking up in latest NVDA
Hi, It’s up to you, but at this time, I advise not going to anything earlier than 2019.3. Cheers, Joseph
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sharni-Lee Ward
Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2020 2:30 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Speech crackling/breaking up in latest NVDA
Would it be better for me to roll back my NVDA then? Or should I stick this out and hope improvements come along eventually? I can assure you I didn't have this problem before I updated, but I was concerned the minor accessibility issues I was having might be due to my having an outdated version of NVDA on my system. On 7/08/2020 2:36 am, Joseph Lee wrote:
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Re: Speech crackling/breaking up in latest NVDA
Sharni-Lee Ward
Would it be better for me to roll back my NVDA then? Or should I
stick this out and hope improvements come along eventually? I can
assure you I didn't have this problem before I updated, but I was
concerned the minor accessibility issues I was having might be due
to my having an outdated version of NVDA on my system.
On 7/08/2020 2:36 am, Joseph Lee wrote:
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Re: Speech crackling/breaking up in latest NVDA
On Thu, Aug 6, 2020 at 05:24 PM, Sharni-Lee Ward wrote:
I don't know how to check this or how to update the driver without assistance.- Which I'm happy to provide, but more information is necessary. As a starting point, what is the make and model of your computer? -- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363 A gentleman is one who never hurts anyone's feelings unintentionally. ~ Oscar Wilde
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Re: Speech crackling/breaking up in latest NVDA
Gene
Which is a good example of why people should have an extra USB sound card or UsB headphones or speakers. If you lose sound on your main sound card for some reason, and you don't have one of these things, you may be in trouble without sighted help.
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Gene
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From: Sharni-Lee Ward Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2020 4:24 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Speech crackling/breaking up in latest NVDA I don't know how to check this or how to update the driver without assistance. If I mess something up and lose sound, I will have far bigger problems than this. And will also be down a computer. Which would be bad. On 7/08/2020 2:12 am, Brian Vogel wrote: Also be certain that the device drivers for your sound device(s) are completely up to date. I see more complaints coming across the general purpose Windows 10 technical support groups about pops, cracks, and other audio irregularities that I ever have with any prior version of Windows. It can almost always be traced back to the drivers, whether that's because the ones installed are old and from the OEM (whether of your computer or sound card), or are newer but Microsoft issued generic ones where the latest OEM drivers are really needed. -- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363 A gentleman is one who never hurts anyone's feelings unintentionally. ~ Oscar Wilde
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Re: Object Navigation - Where and How Do You Use It?
David Goldfield
I often use object navigation when navigating through the screens in Kaspersky Antivirus.
David Goldfield, Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist JAWS Certified, 2019 WWW.DavidGoldfield.org On 8/6/2020 5:16 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
Thank you to all who have offered their experiences and to all who may have yet to do so. This is exactly what I was hoping to get when I made the initial post, and I really, really appreciate the input.
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Re: Issue With Windows Security And Monitoring Virus Scan Progress
Ron Canazzi
Malware bytes is not an anti virus program. Windows Security in
Windows 10 includes firewall,anti spyware, anti malware and anti
virus elements.
On 8/6/2020 8:42 AM, Daniel Damacena
wrote:
-- They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes. They ask: "How Happy are You?" I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"
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Re: Speech crackling/breaking up in latest NVDA
Sharni-Lee Ward
I don't know how to check this or how to update the driver
without assistance. If I mess something up and lose sound, I will
have far bigger problems than this. And will also be down a
computer. Which would be bad.
On 7/08/2020 2:12 am, Brian Vogel
wrote:
Also be certain that the device drivers for your sound device(s) are completely up to date. I see more complaints coming across the general purpose Windows 10 technical support groups about pops, cracks, and other audio irregularities that I ever have with any prior version of Windows. It can almost always be traced back to the drivers, whether that's because the ones installed are old and from the OEM (whether of your computer or sound card), or are newer but Microsoft issued generic ones where the latest OEM drivers are really needed.
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