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Nvda and Thunderbird

Jarek.Krcmar
 

Hello everyone,
I already have a problem with Thunderbird solved.
1. In Thunderbird it is necessary to uncheck the status bar, 2. in Nvda Presentation of objects it is necessary to uncheck context help and notifications.
Regards

--
Jarek


Re: Object Navigation - Where and How Do You Use It?

Chris Mullins
 

Hi Brian

I understand you are using Object navigation in this case to gain knowledge of how to use it but I thought I would make you aware of the Virtual Review add-on.  With Virtual Review installed, pressing NVDA+Ctrl+w when the About window is in focus, will open a temporary textual window containing the information from the About window you can’t access in situe using the keyboard.  You can arrow around the virtual review window to read the info then press escape to dismiss it and return focus back to the About window itself.

 

Cheers

Chris

 

 

from the  In

 

From: Brian Vogel
Sent: 06 August 2020 23:41
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Object Navigation - Where and How Do You Use It?

 

On Thu, Aug 6, 2020 at 06:35 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:

You can’t use keyboard commands to look at various system information displayed on that screen – you must use object navigation to read them.

-
Thank you for this specific example.   Again, this is very handy for me to have as I now have a specific location where playing with object navigation gets me a result I cannot get otherwise, and I've been told what that result would be.  I just went through the list of items near the top of the About pane and got "status green" for each after it was read, and had no idea of exactly how I was supposed to (or even if I could) get to that information via NVDA.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

A gentleman is one who never hurts anyone's feelings unintentionally.

          ~ Oscar Wilde

 

 


Re: Speech crackling/breaking up in latest NVDA

Sharni-Lee Ward
 

Oops, sorry, thought I was responding to someon in private.


For context, I checked Asus Live Update, and was able to get the information that there were no new updates via the NVDA+b command. The interface was otherwise inaccessible, even with review commands.

On 7/08/2020 2:09 pm, Sharni-Lee Ward wrote:

I told you, the interface is inaccessible. I cannot press any buttons to do anything with. I was lucky to get the information I did.

On 7/08/2020 1:56 pm, Shaun Everiss wrote:

Well you could always check and open live update and make sure nothing is in the cue.



On 7/08/2020 11:12 am, Sharni-Lee Ward wrote:

I already have Asus Live Update installed. It runs in the background, right? It should have been doing its thing during the whole year I've had this computer, right?

On 7/08/2020 9:05 am, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Thu, Aug 6, 2020 at 06:43 PM, Sharni-Lee Ward wrote:
X507UAR
-
Support Page:  https://www.asus.com/Laptops/ASUS-Laptop-X507UA/HelpDesk_download/

When I select the what's noted above in the CPU/BIOS dropdown, along with Windows 10 for the OS, there are a number of very recent updates, particularly recent is the BIOS/UEFI update from June of this year.  The most recent Audio driver is noted as being from August 2019.

There is also a download link for a utility called ICESound (that comes in a ZIP file) from February 2020 that is described: It is intelligent audio enhancement software that improves the audio quality in sound experiences on laptops.

Most importantly, Asus has a system updater utility, Asus Live Update, that checks for all the device driver and other updates that are applicable to your computer, and when these are provided by the computer's manufacturer I strongly recommend that they be used.  They make keeping all the essentials for your computer current much more easily than anything else will.  I'd download and install that and let it do its thing as soon as is reasonably possible.  I suspect you'll have a bunch of things identified as needing updates.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

A gentleman is one who never hurts anyone's feelings unintentionally.

          ~ Oscar Wilde

 


Re: Speech crackling/breaking up in latest NVDA

Sharni-Lee Ward
 

I told you, the interface is inaccessible. I cannot press any buttons to do anything with. I was lucky to get the information I did.

On 7/08/2020 1:56 pm, Shaun Everiss wrote:

Well you could always check and open live update and make sure nothing is in the cue.



On 7/08/2020 11:12 am, Sharni-Lee Ward wrote:

I already have Asus Live Update installed. It runs in the background, right? It should have been doing its thing during the whole year I've had this computer, right?

On 7/08/2020 9:05 am, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Thu, Aug 6, 2020 at 06:43 PM, Sharni-Lee Ward wrote:
X507UAR
-
Support Page:  https://www.asus.com/Laptops/ASUS-Laptop-X507UA/HelpDesk_download/

When I select the what's noted above in the CPU/BIOS dropdown, along with Windows 10 for the OS, there are a number of very recent updates, particularly recent is the BIOS/UEFI update from June of this year.  The most recent Audio driver is noted as being from August 2019.

There is also a download link for a utility called ICESound (that comes in a ZIP file) from February 2020 that is described: It is intelligent audio enhancement software that improves the audio quality in sound experiences on laptops.

Most importantly, Asus has a system updater utility, Asus Live Update, that checks for all the device driver and other updates that are applicable to your computer, and when these are provided by the computer's manufacturer I strongly recommend that they be used.  They make keeping all the essentials for your computer current much more easily than anything else will.  I'd download and install that and let it do its thing as soon as is reasonably possible.  I suspect you'll have a bunch of things identified as needing updates.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

A gentleman is one who never hurts anyone's feelings unintentionally.

          ~ Oscar Wilde

 


Re: Speech crackling/breaking up in latest NVDA

 

Another thing, on the asus page I linked to after chosing the uar model, there is a bios update and utilities to do this, this is recent and will effect all hardware, it may or may not fix issues with the chips, there are chipset software updates to.



On 7/08/2020 10:43 am, Sharni-Lee Ward wrote:

System Model: VivoBook 15_ASUS Laptop X507UAR

I scrolled through the pages but couldn't find my sound driver listed, and it said there were no problems found.


On 7/08/2020 7:49 am, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Thu, Aug 6, 2020 at 05:38 PM, Sharni-Lee Ward wrote:
The make is Asus and I don't know off the top of my head what the model is.
-
Unfortunately, then, I'm stuck.  There are, literally, thousands of Asus computer models, and without the specific model it's impossible to determine what the most recent drivers Asus has for a given computer are.

The only way I know of that you might be able to get the model number, as what's provided varies by maker, is using the DXDIAG command.  Hit Winkey+R, enter DXDIAG in the open edit box, then hit Enter.  You'll get a message about needing to connect to the internet to check certain things which it's fine to OK, then after about 15-30 seconds a window will pop up with the title DirectX Diagnostic Tool and it is open to its System tab.  In that tab, what's shown to the right of the label System model is the model.  There is also an Sound tab where the driver information for your sound device (usually output device, e.g., speakers/headphones) is shown.  What's important is the Date shown for the sound driver since you'd be checking on your computer's Drivers & Software page to see if the driver they offer is newer than what you have (also make a note of the version number, too, as there are times when an updated package is released, but the driver in it is the same version as an earlier package).

 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

A gentleman is one who never hurts anyone's feelings unintentionally.

          ~ Oscar Wilde

 


Re: Speech crackling/breaking up in latest NVDA

 

This is the driver page for your system.

https://www.asus.com/Laptops/ASUS-Laptop-X507UA/HelpDesk_Download/

This is the latest universal audio.

https://dlcdnets.asus.com/pub/ASUS/nb/DriversForWin10/Audio/Audio_DCH_Realtek_Win10_64_VER6087161.zip

If you do have the latest drivers you may try the following.

1. 

https://free-codecs.com/download_soft.php?d=b9e38b11547e289f79ed0ff68bc7e2c9&s=501&r=&f=realtek_hd_audio_codecs.htm

This is the latest generic universal by pal1000 on github which is mirrored by freecodecs.

These are built from microsoft sources.

These may or may not work as the case may bee.

You will need to remove the older drivers and switch to a ms driver before you try to even install these and if you need any enhancements or extras things may not work, these are really basic.

The other one is.

https://free-codecs.com/download_soft.php?d=25ea0ac7e6234e8fd36ec32fd8b62756&s=501&r=&f=realtek_hd_audio_codecs.htm

These were the last package before alanfox2000 was shut down.


These are no longer the latest drivers and will have some issues but they do have a modified installer and will be later than your drivers.

Finally, you could simply uninstall the realtech drivers and sound drivers completely and use microsoft drivers than use the drivers from windowsupdate.

These may have issues and may be utter crap but they may work.



On 7/08/2020 10:43 am, Sharni-Lee Ward wrote:

System Model: VivoBook 15_ASUS Laptop X507UAR

I scrolled through the pages but couldn't find my sound driver listed, and it said there were no problems found.


On 7/08/2020 7:49 am, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Thu, Aug 6, 2020 at 05:38 PM, Sharni-Lee Ward wrote:
The make is Asus and I don't know off the top of my head what the model is.
-
Unfortunately, then, I'm stuck.  There are, literally, thousands of Asus computer models, and without the specific model it's impossible to determine what the most recent drivers Asus has for a given computer are.

The only way I know of that you might be able to get the model number, as what's provided varies by maker, is using the DXDIAG command.  Hit Winkey+R, enter DXDIAG in the open edit box, then hit Enter.  You'll get a message about needing to connect to the internet to check certain things which it's fine to OK, then after about 15-30 seconds a window will pop up with the title DirectX Diagnostic Tool and it is open to its System tab.  In that tab, what's shown to the right of the label System model is the model.  There is also an Sound tab where the driver information for your sound device (usually output device, e.g., speakers/headphones) is shown.  What's important is the Date shown for the sound driver since you'd be checking on your computer's Drivers & Software page to see if the driver they offer is newer than what you have (also make a note of the version number, too, as there are times when an updated package is released, but the driver in it is the same version as an earlier package).

 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

A gentleman is one who never hurts anyone's feelings unintentionally.

          ~ Oscar Wilde

 


Re: Speech crackling/breaking up in latest NVDA

 

Well you could always check and open live update and make sure nothing is in the cue.



On 7/08/2020 11:12 am, Sharni-Lee Ward wrote:

I already have Asus Live Update installed. It runs in the background, right? It should have been doing its thing during the whole year I've had this computer, right?

On 7/08/2020 9:05 am, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Thu, Aug 6, 2020 at 06:43 PM, Sharni-Lee Ward wrote:
X507UAR
-
Support Page:  https://www.asus.com/Laptops/ASUS-Laptop-X507UA/HelpDesk_download/

When I select the what's noted above in the CPU/BIOS dropdown, along with Windows 10 for the OS, there are a number of very recent updates, particularly recent is the BIOS/UEFI update from June of this year.  The most recent Audio driver is noted as being from August 2019.

There is also a download link for a utility called ICESound (that comes in a ZIP file) from February 2020 that is described: It is intelligent audio enhancement software that improves the audio quality in sound experiences on laptops.

Most importantly, Asus has a system updater utility, Asus Live Update, that checks for all the device driver and other updates that are applicable to your computer, and when these are provided by the computer's manufacturer I strongly recommend that they be used.  They make keeping all the essentials for your computer current much more easily than anything else will.  I'd download and install that and let it do its thing as soon as is reasonably possible.  I suspect you'll have a bunch of things identified as needing updates.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

A gentleman is one who never hurts anyone's feelings unintentionally.

          ~ Oscar Wilde

 


Re: A possible bug

Sam Taylor
 

Correct, they are not seen as headings.


On 7/08/2020 11:58 am, Gene wrote:
Are you saying they aren't seen as headings?  I see them as links but not as headings, unlike every other article on the page.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Sam Taylor via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2020 8:53 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A possible bug



I can confirm that these are seen as links when using latest JFW both with Firefox and MSEdge. I therefore don't believe this to be an NVDA issue.





On 7/08/2020 11:46 am, Gene wrote:
I haven't asked The Times.  I thought it was a problem with NVDA since mhy old version recognizes them as headings.  I haven't used JAWS to any extent for years but it might be useful for someone using a current JAWS to see if these links are seen as headings.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Gene
Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2020 8:42 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A possible bug

When I use a very old version of NVDA, they are reported as headings when I
move from heading to heading with report headings turned on.  I don't know
what the last version was that this occurs.  I can also move to the articles
when using filter by headings in the elements list of the old version.

I don't know how old a version of NVDA needs to be used.  I use Windows 7
and I still use 13.x much of the time because it does almost everything I
want.  I play around with new versions at times.

All other articles on the page are reported as headings in the new NVDA.  So
why aren't these and how often, on other pages, may material be being
missed?

Evidently, there is something different about these headings but what?

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Quentin Christensen
Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2020 8:27 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A possible bug


Hi Gene,

It looks like those articles aren't marked up as headings.  If you go to the
Opinion heading, you can then press TAB or K to go to the links for the
pieces, but they aren't reported as headings.  Looking in the elements list,
I can find them in the links but not headings.

Pages like the New York Times are quite complex and it's likely something
has been missed somewhere along the line.  What did the NYT people have to
say?

Quentin.


On Fri, Aug 7, 2020 at 8:24 AM Gene mailto:gsasner@... wrote:
I'm using the latest beta, I haven't switched to the production version.

This appears to be a bug and it may result in information being missed.  On
The New York Times home page, using Firefox or Brave, I haven't yet tested
with Chrome, but Brave is Chrome-based, when you get to the opinion part of
the page, the articles in that section aren't seen as headings.  All other
articles are seen as headings and using a very old NVDA, the articles in the
opinion section are seen as headings.  This is using Windows 7.

I just tested with NVDA 2019.2.21 and the same thing happens so this likely
bug has been around for some time.

I also just tested with Chrome and the same thing occurs.  All articles in
the opinion section are skipped and the screen-reader moves directly to the
editor's picks heading.  It needs to be determined what is causing this
problem and that may help determine its seriousness.

Gene















Re: A possible bug

Gene
 

Are you saying they aren't seen as headings? I see them as links but not as headings, unlike every other article on the page.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Sam Taylor via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2020 8:53 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A possible bug



I can confirm that these are seen as links when using latest JFW both with Firefox and MSEdge. I therefore don't believe this to be an NVDA issue.





On 7/08/2020 11:46 am, Gene wrote:
I haven't asked The Times. I thought it was a problem with NVDA since mhy old version recognizes them as headings. I haven't used JAWS to any extent for years but it might be useful for someone using a current JAWS to see if these links are seen as headings.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Gene
Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2020 8:42 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A possible bug

When I use a very old version of NVDA, they are reported as headings when I
move from heading to heading with report headings turned on. I don't know
what the last version was that this occurs. I can also move to the articles
when using filter by headings in the elements list of the old version.

I don't know how old a version of NVDA needs to be used. I use Windows 7
and I still use 13.x much of the time because it does almost everything I
want. I play around with new versions at times.

All other articles on the page are reported as headings in the new NVDA. So
why aren't these and how often, on other pages, may material be being
missed?

Evidently, there is something different about these headings but what?

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Quentin Christensen
Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2020 8:27 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A possible bug


Hi Gene,

It looks like those articles aren't marked up as headings. If you go to the
Opinion heading, you can then press TAB or K to go to the links for the
pieces, but they aren't reported as headings. Looking in the elements list,
I can find them in the links but not headings.

Pages like the New York Times are quite complex and it's likely something
has been missed somewhere along the line. What did the NYT people have to
say?

Quentin.


On Fri, Aug 7, 2020 at 8:24 AM Gene mailto:gsasner@gmail.com wrote:
I'm using the latest beta, I haven't switched to the production version.

This appears to be a bug and it may result in information being missed. On
The New York Times home page, using Firefox or Brave, I haven't yet tested
with Chrome, but Brave is Chrome-based, when you get to the opinion part of
the page, the articles in that section aren't seen as headings. All other
articles are seen as headings and using a very old NVDA, the articles in the
opinion section are seen as headings. This is using Windows 7.

I just tested with NVDA 2019.2.21 and the same thing happens so this likely
bug has been around for some time.

I also just tested with Chrome and the same thing occurs. All articles in
the opinion section are skipped and the screen-reader moves directly to the
editor's picks heading. It needs to be determined what is causing this
problem and that may help determine its seriousness.

Gene


Re: A possible bug

Sam Taylor
 

I can confirm that these are seen as links when using latest JFW both with Firefox and MSEdge. I therefore don't believe this to be an NVDA issue.


On 7/08/2020 11:46 am, Gene wrote:
I haven't asked The Times.  I thought it was a problem with NVDA since mhy old version recognizes them as headings.  I haven't used JAWS to any extent for years but it might be useful for someone using a current JAWS to see if these links are seen as headings.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Gene
Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2020 8:42 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A possible bug

When I use a very old version of NVDA, they are reported as headings when I
move from heading to heading with report headings turned on.  I don't know
what the last version was that this occurs.  I can also move to the articles
when using filter by headings in the elements list of the old version.

I don't know how old a version of NVDA needs to be used.  I use Windows 7
and I still use 13.x much of the time because it does almost everything I
want.  I play around with new versions at times.

All other articles on the page are reported as headings in the new NVDA.  So
why aren't these and how often, on other pages, may material be being
missed?

Evidently, there is something different about these headings but what?

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Quentin Christensen
Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2020 8:27 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A possible bug


Hi Gene,

It looks like those articles aren't marked up as headings.  If you go to the
Opinion heading, you can then press TAB or K to go to the links for the
pieces, but they aren't reported as headings.  Looking in the elements list,
I can find them in the links but not headings.

Pages like the New York Times are quite complex and it's likely something
has been missed somewhere along the line.  What did the NYT people have to
say?

Quentin.


On Fri, Aug 7, 2020 at 8:24 AM Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
I'm using the latest beta, I haven't switched to the production version.

This appears to be a bug and it may result in information being missed.  On
The New York Times home page, using Firefox or Brave, I haven't yet tested
with Chrome, but Brave is Chrome-based, when you get to the opinion part of
the page, the articles in that section aren't seen as headings.  All other
articles are seen as headings and using a very old NVDA, the articles in the
opinion section are seen as headings.  This is using Windows 7.

I just tested with NVDA 2019.2.21 and the same thing happens so this likely
bug has been around for some time.

I also just tested with Chrome and the same thing occurs.  All articles in
the opinion section are skipped and the screen-reader moves directly to the
editor's picks heading.  It needs to be determined what is causing this
problem and that may help determine its seriousness.

Gene









Re: A possible bug

Gene
 

I haven't asked The Times. I thought it was a problem with NVDA since mhy old version recognizes them as headings. I haven't used JAWS to any extent for years but it might be useful for someone using a current JAWS to see if these links are seen as headings.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2020 8:42 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A possible bug

When I use a very old version of NVDA, they are reported as headings when I
move from heading to heading with report headings turned on. I don't know
what the last version was that this occurs. I can also move to the articles
when using filter by headings in the elements list of the old version.

I don't know how old a version of NVDA needs to be used. I use Windows 7
and I still use 13.x much of the time because it does almost everything I
want. I play around with new versions at times.

All other articles on the page are reported as headings in the new NVDA. So
why aren't these and how often, on other pages, may material be being
missed?

Evidently, there is something different about these headings but what?

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Quentin Christensen
Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2020 8:27 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A possible bug


Hi Gene,

It looks like those articles aren't marked up as headings. If you go to the
Opinion heading, you can then press TAB or K to go to the links for the
pieces, but they aren't reported as headings. Looking in the elements list,
I can find them in the links but not headings.

Pages like the New York Times are quite complex and it's likely something
has been missed somewhere along the line. What did the NYT people have to
say?

Quentin.


On Fri, Aug 7, 2020 at 8:24 AM Gene <gsasner@gmail.com> wrote:
I'm using the latest beta, I haven't switched to the production version.

This appears to be a bug and it may result in information being missed. On
The New York Times home page, using Firefox or Brave, I haven't yet tested
with Chrome, but Brave is Chrome-based, when you get to the opinion part of
the page, the articles in that section aren't seen as headings. All other
articles are seen as headings and using a very old NVDA, the articles in the
opinion section are seen as headings. This is using Windows 7.

I just tested with NVDA 2019.2.21 and the same thing happens so this likely
bug has been around for some time.

I also just tested with Chrome and the same thing occurs. All articles in
the opinion section are skipped and the screen-reader moves directly to the
editor's picks heading. It needs to be determined what is causing this
problem and that may help determine its seriousness.

Gene








--

Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager


Web: www.nvaccess.org
Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/
User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess


Re: A possible bug

Gene
 

When I use a very old version of NVDA, they are reported as headings when I move from heading to heading with report headings turned on. I don't know what the last version was that this occurs. I can also move to the articles when using filter by headings in the elements list of the old version.

I don't know how old a version of NVDA needs to be used. I use Windows 7 and I still use 13.x much of the time because it does almost everything I want. I play around with new versions at times.

All other articles on the page are reported as headings in the new NVDA. So why aren't these and how often, on other pages, may material be being missed?

Evidently, there is something different about these headings but what?

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Quentin Christensen
Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2020 8:27 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A possible bug


Hi Gene,

It looks like those articles aren't marked up as headings. If you go to the Opinion heading, you can then press TAB or K to go to the links for the pieces, but they aren't reported as headings. Looking in the elements list, I can find them in the links but not headings.

Pages like the New York Times are quite complex and it's likely something has been missed somewhere along the line. What did the NYT people have to say?

Quentin.


On Fri, Aug 7, 2020 at 8:24 AM Gene <gsasner@gmail.com> wrote:
I'm using the latest beta, I haven't switched to the production version.

This appears to be a bug and it may result in information being missed. On
The New York Times home page, using Firefox or Brave, I haven't yet tested
with Chrome, but Brave is Chrome-based, when you get to the opinion part of
the page, the articles in that section aren't seen as headings. All other
articles are seen as headings and using a very old NVDA, the articles in the
opinion section are seen as headings. This is using Windows 7.

I just tested with NVDA 2019.2.21 and the same thing happens so this likely
bug has been around for some time.

I also just tested with Chrome and the same thing occurs. All articles in
the opinion section are skipped and the screen-reader moves directly to the
editor's picks heading. It needs to be determined what is causing this
problem and that may help determine its seriousness.

Gene








--

Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager


Web: www.nvaccess.org
Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/
User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess


Re: A possible bug

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi Gene,

It looks like those articles aren't marked up as headings.  If you go to the Opinion heading, you can then press TAB or K to go to the links for the pieces, but they aren't reported as headings.  Looking in the elements list, I can find them in the links but not headings.

Pages like the New York Times are quite complex and it's likely something has been missed somewhere along the line.  What did the NYT people have to say?

Quentin.

On Fri, Aug 7, 2020 at 8:24 AM Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
I'm using the latest beta, I haven't switched to the production version.

This appears to be a bug and it may result in information being missed.  On
The New York Times home page, using Firefox or Brave, I haven't yet tested
with Chrome, but Brave is Chrome-based, when you get to the opinion part of
the page, the articles in that section aren't seen as headings.  All other
articles are seen as headings and using a very old NVDA, the articles in the
opinion section are seen as headings.  This is using Windows 7.

I just tested with NVDA 2019.2.21 and the same thing happens so this likely
bug has been around for some time.

I also just tested with Chrome and the same thing occurs.  All articles in
the opinion section are skipped and the screen-reader moves directly to the
editor's picks heading.  It needs to be determined what is causing this
problem and that may help determine its seriousness.

Gene






--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager


Re: Speech crackling/breaking up in latest NVDA

Sharni-Lee Ward
 

One instance where this happens reliably is when opening discord and it runs the updater. The last syllable of the word "updater" always crackles, or breaks up. I would get you a recording, but I am unable to get a loopback recording that is faithful to what I am hearing. I tried, and the quality was many times worse than the issue I actually had. I don't know whether this is the fault of the driver or Audacity.


I've also noticed some slurring on consonants when using Windows 1Core voices, if you think that might be relevant.

On 6/08/2020 3:29 pm, Tyler Spivey wrote:
This is a known problem in my circle across synths.
I suspect this is due to speech refactor. Regardless, it would be
helpful if you could get a sentence or something where this occurs,
then report an issue if you can get it to happen reliably. This is the
hard part.
eSpeak is one of the core drivers, so NV Access might consider the issue
as worth looking into if reported against that.

On 8/5/2020 9:49 PM, Sharni-Lee Ward wrote:
So I just finally decided to brave the Python 3 hurdle, and updated from
2019.2.1 to 2020.2. I've updated the addons I could and wanted to keep,
and they're both working fine.


I am, however, having an odd little issue with the synth's speech. I'm
using ESpeak NG, and the latest NVDA. I'm on Windows 10.

My issue is that occasionally, most often at the ends of sentences and
on the word image in the context of that being an object, the speech
will break up slightly, for a brief but noticeable fraction of a second.
It happens irregularly, and I don't know what to do to fix it. I asked
on a Discord server I'm a member of, and someone there told me to switch
audio output from Microsoft Sound Mapper to my speakers/headphones. I
did this, but it hasn't helped.


I've also noticed a slight but noticeable lag when deleting characters,
and in single-letter navigation. In the latter, It takes most of a
second before NVDA announces the item the cursor has moved to after the
letter was pressed.


Any help regarding these issues would be sincerely appreciated.




Re: Object Navigation - Where and How Do You Use It?

molly the blind tech lover
 

I've noticed that too. In fact, when my tablet was installing updates the
other day I used object navigation to check the progress.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Luke Davis
Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2020 8:46 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Object Navigation - Where and How Do You Use It?

One case where you really seem to need it, is in Windows update settings.

If you have some updates that want to download, the only way you can find
out if a particular update is downloading, installing, pending install,
awaiting restart, or waiting to download, is to use object nav.
Simple review just won't tell you that.

Luke


Re: Unnecessary verbiage that wastes my time

Gene
 

Thanks. I'll keep track of it.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Quentin Christensen
Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2020 8:12 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] unnecessaruy verbiage that wastes my time


Hi Gene,

Here is our issue for exactly what you are describing: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/10826

Do feel free to subscribe to that for updates on progress. There is a link in that issue to https://www.w3.org/WAI/tutorials/images/groups/#multiple-images-conveying-a-single-piece-of-information which gives more information on exactly what figures are with some examples.

So yes, a way of disabling that is a good idea. I don't have a timeline just now though.

Quentin.


On Fri, Aug 7, 2020 at 12:34 AM Gene <gsasner@gmail.com> wrote:
I really hate unnecessary verbiage that wastes my time and tells me nothing
of any value.

I've recently been using the beta version of NVDA. I havedn't gotten the
production version since I've been using it so little. But one thing that
caught my attention is the announcement of figure and out of figure on web
pages. What possible value is there to this? I don't care if something is
a figure in structure, whatever that is, evidently some sort of visual
formatting. Every time I hear these words, it wastes a little bit of time
and distractingly clutters the text. and I see no way to turhn this off in
the document formatting options. I turn off the other nonsense such as bloc
quote announcement. I turn off almost everything. If new formatting
information is added, there should be a way to turn it off.

And why are some of these announcements on by default? People would never
put up with a human reader announcing all this clutter. How many users of
NVDA ever learn enough to know that they can turn all these announcements
off?

Gene








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Re: Unnecessary verbiage that wastes my time

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi Gene,

Here is our issue for exactly what you are describing: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/10826

Do feel free to subscribe to that for updates on progress.  There is a link in that issue to https://www.w3.org/WAI/tutorials/images/groups/#multiple-images-conveying-a-single-piece-of-information which gives more information on exactly what figures are with some examples.

So yes, a way of disabling that is a good idea.  I don't have a timeline just now though.

Quentin.

On Fri, Aug 7, 2020 at 12:34 AM Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
I really hate unnecessary verbiage that wastes my time and tells me nothing
of any value.

I've recently been using the beta version of NVDA.  I havedn't gotten the
production version since I've been using it so little.  But one thing that
caught my attention is the announcement of figure and out of figure on web
pages.  What possible value is there to this?  I don't care if something is
a figure in structure, whatever that is, evidently some sort of visual
formatting.  Every time I hear these words, it wastes a little bit of time
and distractingly clutters the text.  and I see no way to turhn this off in
the document formatting options.  I turn off the other nonsense such as bloc
quote announcement.  I turn off almost everything.  If new formatting
information is added, there should be a way to turn it off.

And why are some of these announcements on by default?  People would never
put up with a human reader announcing all this clutter.  How many users of
NVDA ever learn enough to know that they can turn all these announcements
off?

Gene






--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager


Re: Object Navigation - Where and How Do You Use It?

George McCoy
 

I use object navigation with the Super Antispyware program.

The program has focus issues that prevent the tab and shift tab keys from working at times and also prevent usable routing of the mouse.


On 8/6/2020 11:07 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:
Hello All,

          This is a navigation method that I really have yet to wrap my head around.  My intent with this topic is not to trigger a discussion of the abstract concepts of object navigation, though they're certainly not unwelcome, but to elicit a collection of specific programs/dialogs/etc. where you personally use object navigation to get around in it and how it travels when you do.

           I have not had a lot of luck yet when just playing with object navigation at random, and figure I (and perhaps many others) might "get the hang of it" much better if we were trying it out in a context either that we're familiar with but haven't used it, or in a context someone else has described so that our experimentation has more meaning from the outset.

           If you feel so inclined, please share.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

A gentleman is one who never hurts anyone's feelings unintentionally.

          ~ Oscar Wilde

 


Re: Speech crackling/breaking up in latest NVDA

Luke Davis
 

On Fri, 7 Aug 2020, Sharni-Lee Ward wrote:

Problem being, I was told how to turn off enhancements yesterday, but when I followed those instructions, I found that the enhancements were already turned
off!
Not that it's likely to do anything good, but have you tried turning it on just for kicks and giggles? That's probably what I would have done.

Everybody says to turn it off and things will get better, it's already off, let's turn it on and see what happens.

Luke


Re: Object Navigation - Where and How Do You Use It?

Luke Davis
 

One case where you really seem to need it, is in Windows update settings.

If you have some updates that want to download, the only way you can find out if a particular update is downloading, installing, pending install, awaiting restart, or waiting to download, is to use object nav.
Simple review just won't tell you that.

Luke

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