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Re: Issues with Edge Chromium: is Google Chrome still a more viable option?

Amir
 

Control+L makes no difference. That is, if ALT+D works, Control+L also works. But if ALT+D fails, Control+l will fail, too.

Best,
Amir


Re: Issues with Edge Chromium: is Google Chrome still a more viable option?

Greg Wocher
 

Hello,
Try using Control Plus L to move to the address bar. It is what I use and it works every time. 

Greg Wocher


On Aug 10, 2020, at 5:52 AM, Amir <mobilespace08@...> wrote:

Hi Richard,
 
Thanks for your reply.
It's quite strange because I'm not moved to the App Bar/Address Bar upon pressing Control+T quite often. Even if I press Control+T, attempting to force the cursor to move to the App Bar with ALT+D fails quite often, and the cursor will remain on an HTML area belonging to the new tab page. I have none of these issues in Google Chrome, and wish Edge would allow us to use a blank page for its new tabs.
As for Favorites, I don't have Dropbox installed as I don't use it. The equivalent of the Bookmarks submenu in Google Chrome is Favorites in Edge, accessible via ALT+F+O followed by Enter, but it doesn't allow first-letter navigation for some of the letters as they activate some functions -- like A for Add this page to Favorites.
 
Best,
Amir


Re: Object Navigation - Where and How Do You Use It?

Gene
 

That's a good point. I consider it a bug in terms of implementing accessibility and/or use from the keyboard. People may want to report it. The combo box should do nothing when it is opened and when you move.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Luke Davis
Sent: Monday, August 10, 2020 5:26 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Object Navigation - Where and How Do You Use It?

While Gene's example is a perfect use case for object nav, personally I would
consider this a bug, either in NVDA or in Firefox. Posted.
Https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/11479

On Sun, 9 Aug 2020, Gene wrote:

Today, I wanted to change the setting in Firefox about how it would work with history. I wanted to use the combo box to have it use custom settings. But every time I would change the setting, even after opening the combo box, a dialog would come up telling me I would have to restart the program for the setting to take effect. I used object navigation, after opening the combo box with alt down arrow, to see the options without triggering the dialog and I selected the one I wanted by working with the object. I don't remember if I used the mouse option or the perform default action option. Screen review was useless. I wouldn't have been able to work with the combo box without object navigation.


Re: Issues with Edge Chromium: is Google Chrome still a more viable option?

Gene
 

What happens if you use control l, the other way to get to the address bar in Chrome? The results may be the same but since Chrome provides two different commands, try the other one.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Amir
Sent: Monday, August 10, 2020 4:52 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Issues with Edge Chromium: is Google Chrome still a more viable option?


Hi Richard,

Thanks for your reply.
It's quite strange because I'm not moved to the App Bar/Address Bar upon pressing Control+T quite often. Even if I press Control+T, attempting to force the cursor to move to the App Bar with ALT+D fails quite often, and the cursor will remain on an HTML area belonging to the new tab page. I have none of these issues in Google Chrome, and wish Edge would allow us to use a blank page for its new tabs.
As for Favorites, I don't have Dropbox installed as I don't use it. The equivalent of the Bookmarks submenu in Google Chrome is Favorites in Edge, accessible via ALT+F+O followed by Enter, but it doesn't allow first-letter navigation for some of the letters as they activate some functions -- like A for Add this page to Favorites.

Best,
Amir


Re: Issues with Edge Chromium: is Google Chrome still a more viable option?

Luke Davis
 

Amir, i don't use Edge enough to have noticed this. However have you tried running the Com Registration Fixing Tool in NVDA's Tools menu? There is a slight chance it might normalize some of this behavior.

Then again, it could be an Edge bug that has no connection to NVDA, but running the Com Reg Fixing Tool won't hurt anything.

Luke

On Mon, 10 Aug 2020, Amir wrote:

It's quite strange because I'm not moved to the App Bar/Address Bar upon pressing Control+T quite often. Even if I press Control+T, attempting to force the
cursor to move to the App Bar with ALT+D fails quite often, and the cursor will remain on an HTML area belonging to the new tab page. I have none of these
issues in Google Chrome, and wish Edge would allow us to use a blank page for its new tabs.


Re: Object Navigation - Where and How Do You Use It?

Luke Davis
 

While Gene's example is a perfect use case for object nav, personally I would consider this a bug, either in NVDA or in Firefox. Posted. Https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/11479

On Sun, 9 Aug 2020, Gene wrote:

Today, I wanted to change the setting in Firefox about how it would work with history. I wanted to use the combo box to have it use custom settings. But every time I would change the setting, even after opening the combo box, a dialog would come up telling me I would have to restart the program for the setting to take effect. I used object navigation, after opening the combo box with alt down arrow, to see the options without triggering the dialog and I selected the one I wanted by working with the object. I don't remember if I used the mouse option or the perform default action option. Screen review was useless. I wouldn't have been able to work with the combo box without object navigation.


Re: Issues with Edge Chromium: is Google Chrome still a more viable option?

Amir
 

Hi Richard,
 
Thanks for your reply.
It's quite strange because I'm not moved to the App Bar/Address Bar upon pressing Control+T quite often. Even if I press Control+T, attempting to force the cursor to move to the App Bar with ALT+D fails quite often, and the cursor will remain on an HTML area belonging to the new tab page. I have none of these issues in Google Chrome, and wish Edge would allow us to use a blank page for its new tabs.
As for Favorites, I don't have Dropbox installed as I don't use it. The equivalent of the Bookmarks submenu in Google Chrome is Favorites in Edge, accessible via ALT+F+O followed by Enter, but it doesn't allow first-letter navigation for some of the letters as they activate some functions -- like A for Add this page to Favorites.
 
Best,
Amir


Re: Issues with Edge Chromium: is Google Chrome still a more viable option?

Richard Bartholomew
 

Hi, Amir

 

To answer a couple of your points…yes, I do go straight to the app bar if I press either Ctrl+T or Alt+D in Edge. 

 

As far as favourites are concerned, I’m afraid I can’t directly answer that since I use a different approach to favourites.  I save all my favourites as shortcuts in a Dropbox folder which means that I have access to them no matter which browser or platform I’m using provided, of course, the machine or phone has Dropbox installed on it.

 

Cheers

Richard Bartholomew

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Amir
Sent: 10 August 2020 06:46
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Issues with Edge Chromium: is Google Chrome still a more viable option?

 

And to add to that, I use, or rather used, Google Chrome in combination with AdGuard for Windows which is considered by many as the best champion of privacy and user protection.

So, folks, if possible please provide solutions or work-arounds for the Edge/NVDA duo? Do you always get the Address Bar as you press Control+T in Edge? How about a blank, non-intrusive new tab? And how do you interact with Favorites in Edge efficiently?

 

Best,

Amir


Re: Honey - Browser Extension that finds Promo Codes on Websites

Fawaz Abdul rahman
 

I use it and it works fine, however, if you clicked on the coupon  it will take you to  another page where you need sighted help to  read the code itself.

The information usually top of the page, will tell you if there are coupons or lower prices on other stores.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Quentin Christensen
Sent: Monday, August 10, 2020 7:12 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] honey

 

I haven't tried it, but it sounds like it might be similar to things like Grammarly in that it puts a visual overlay over a page which works for a sighted person, but doesn't interact with screen readers.  It is worth contacting the people who make Honey if you haven't already to ask about their accessibility testing.

 

Quentin.

 

On Mon, Aug 10, 2020 at 1:24 AM Don H <lmddh50@...> wrote:

There is a extension for browsers called homey that automatically
searches for promo codes on certain web sites.  After installing the
extension to Google Chrome and going to amazon Honey puts up some info
on the web page that it seems that NVDA can't get to. Anyone using Honey
with NVDA with any success?  Talking about using it on a Win 10 system
with latest version of Google Chrome and NVDA 2020.2.





 

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Re: Honey - Browser Extension that finds Promo Codes on Websites

mcLeod stinnett
 

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from mack I installed it with no success. inclined to believe it's strictly visual.


Re: Issues with Edge Chromium: is Google Chrome still a more viable option?

Amir
 

And to add to that, I use, or rather used, Google Chrome in combination with AdGuard for Windows which is considered by many as the best champion of privacy and user protection.
So, folks, if possible please provide solutions or work-arounds for the Edge/NVDA duo? Do you always get the Address Bar as you press Control+T in Edge? How about a blank, non-intrusive new tab? And how do you interact with Favorites in Edge efficiently?
 
Best,
Amir


Re: Issues with Edge Chromium: is Google Chrome still a more viable option?

Gene
 

I don't think it is valid to make a recommendation based on your experience with Chrome's actual use, before you try Chrome again with the proper help for what you don't understand. Your recommendation flies in the face of a great many blind peoples' experience.

It is true that Firefox is better about privacy and so from that standpoint, a recommendation based only on that might be justified but now, with the Brave browser, Brave might be better in terms of privacy. But at this point, not in terms of the actual user experience of a lot of blind users itself. As I said, Brave may be even more private than Firefox, unless you use Firefox with a good ad blocker.

The whole point of Brave is to both stop targeted advertising and pay web pages with Brave's own advertising, which is not targeted. They will give web sites money if you see Brave ads on a web site because they accept that advertising is essential for web sites to make money. But they reject the practice of targeted ads and all the data gathering done when you do things on line.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Jesse Farquharson
Sent: Monday, August 10, 2020 12:24 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Issues with Edge Chromium: is Google Chrome still a more viable option?



In terms of discussing my issues with Chrome, at the time, I was not aware of the NVDA group, or any other group in the first place. Since then, I have had little interest in, or reason to, try Chrome again, for privacy reasons among other concerns.

I might try Brave though. Still, I definitely stand by my recommendation of Firefox at this point.


Re: Issues with Edge Chromium: is Google Chrome still a more viable option?

Amir
 

Let's disagree here. I've had various issues with Firefox -- from old to new, and won't touch it in the near future. I'd rather use Chrome or a Chromium-based browser. Honestly I trust Google -- at least more than I trust the likes of Facebook, so privacy concerns aren't a big issue.
 
Best,
Amir


Re: Helping to make an Edge/Chrome RSS reader accessible

Akash Kakkar
 

David,
Yes, the folders got created and the feeds were in there.
But no articles at all.
I manually syncronised everything but no luck

On 8/10/20, Amir <mobilespace08@gmail.com> wrote:
Unfortunately that doesn't cut it for me although I understand the benefits.
When I'm at my computer and hit Refresh, I fully expect to get the latest
articles not what the web-based readers might dictate. And if you happen to
depend on the speed aspect for work, such an access becomes more essential.
Honestly I don't share the articles -- even the ones I read for leisure.
Even if I do, I share them via email which works well with Internet
Explorer. Nowadays even most Edge/Chrome RSS extensions also support
full-fledged article sharing so that's a nonissue if the need arises. I also
use Lire on my iPhone for RSS stuff. It supports full-fledged sharing and
its stand-alone mode truly rocks.

Best,
Amir




Re: Issues with Edge Chromium: is Google Chrome still a more viable option?

Jesse Farquharson
 

In terms of discussing my issues with Chrome, at the time, I was not aware of the NVDA group, or any other group in the first place. Since then, I have had little interest in, or reason to, try Chrome again, for privacy reasons among other concerns.

I might try Brave though. Still, I definitely stand by my recommendation of Firefox at this point.


Re: Issues with Edge Chromium: is Google Chrome still a more viable option?

Gene
 

If you had discussed your difficulties somewhere with blind users, you might have had a very different experience after your initial one. Key strokes do make sense. the interface as far as working with settings and other things, not browsing pages, is different but it is not that different so as to cause serious learning problems.

Firefox is good too, but it is a limitation if you rule out not using another modern browser. There are times when one browser works better, at times, much better on a web page.

If you want to try Chrome again, a lot of people would discuss its use with you. For a demanding blind Internet user, it is important to have more than one modern browser available.

Also, the Brave Browser is a Chrome-based browser and has a similar interface. it is well worth trying, for reasons I won't go into here.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Jesse Farquharson
Sent: Monday, August 10, 2020 12:04 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Issues with Edge Chromium: is Google Chrome still a more viable option?



Honestly, I used Google Chrome with NVDA, once, a while back. I lasted all of five minutes with it. The interface was just too confusing and the keystrokes made no sense.

If you are concerned about privacy, I would absolutely not go to Chrome again.

The most NVDA friendly browser, in my experience, is Firefox. I have had zero issues with it, and you don't get any of that page loading or loading complete stuff or whatever. The interface is, in my opinion, also much more pleasant.

Hope this helps.


Re: Issues with Edge Chromium: is Google Chrome still a more viable option?

Jesse Farquharson
 

Honestly, I used Google Chrome with NVDA, once, a while back. I lasted all of five minutes with it. The interface was just too confusing and the keystrokes made no sense.

If you are concerned about privacy, I would absolutely not go to Chrome again.

The most NVDA friendly browser, in my experience, is Firefox. I have had zero issues with it, and you don't get any of that page loading or loading complete stuff or whatever. The interface is, in my opinion, also much more pleasant.

Hope this helps.


Issues with Edge Chromium: is Google Chrome still a more viable option?

Amir
 

Folks,

I've been using Google Chrome over the past couple of years and have been a happy camper. However, having read about MS Edge Chromium's better privacy/RAM controls and the Read Aloud feature, I decided to give it a try. I really want to make the switch, but the following issues appear to be showstoppers:
1. NVDA has issues focusing the cursor on the Address Bar, or what is called the App Bar in Edge. That is, as I press Control+T or ALT+D, the focus doesn't always land in the edit box. Sometimes I need to press ALT+D several times in order to get the cursor there, and sometimes it doesn't happen at all.
2. I've tried tinkering with Edge's settings, but it seems that Edge doesn't provide a way to offer a blank new tab whenever I press Control+T. That might not be a big deal and Google Chrome doesn't have such a feature either, but I want to achieve this to take care of the following issue in Edge.
3. Unlike Google Chrome, Edge/NVDA tend to report "Load complete", "Load still in progress", "Opening new tab", etc. Even when I press Control+T, I hear "Load complete" which is driving me nuts! At first I thought I'd like them, but now I think there really should be a way to suppress them! And I'm aware of the Win 10 Apps Essentials trick, but can't use it because I don't want to lose other important announcements by utilizing that.
4. I have difficulty accessing favorites in Edge -- what Google Chrome calls Bookmarks. I've found the easiest way to do it would be pressing ALT+F, followed by O, followed by Enter to open Favorites. However, even there not all first-letter navigation presses work. For instance, pressing A or S activates the "Add this page to Favorites" or other options there instead of moving to Favorites which begin with A or S. This is also true with a couple of other letter presses, so how do you efficiently/quickly access Favorites in Edge Chromium? Moreover, in Edge NVDA doesn't notify you if a so-called Favorite item is a folder or a menu containing other items. Oftentimes pressing Enter on such items doesn't force NVDA to read its subitems and you have to get the readout manually.
5. This is more of an NVDA issue rather than an Edge issue. In Google Chrome NVDA notifies me whenever I type a misspelled word into an edit box via a buzz, but in Edge the buzz doesn't work at all. Guess either I or someone else should report this on Github, but this is definitely an NVDA issue with Edge 84.
6. Finally, the Read Aloud feature in Edge, which is really cool, has a serious flaw: it adds long pauses, up to 2 or 3 seconds, between sentences which makes the feature absolutely annoying. Any chance of reducing the pauses? I've seen no settings for that.
So with all of these issues, should I go back to Google Chrome? Your suggestions and work-arounds would be much appreciated.

Best,
Amir


Re: Honey - Browser Extension that finds Promo Codes on Websites

Quentin Christensen
 

I haven't tried it, but it sounds like it might be similar to things like Grammarly in that it puts a visual overlay over a page which works for a sighted person, but doesn't interact with screen readers.  It is worth contacting the people who make Honey if you haven't already to ask about their accessibility testing.

Quentin.

On Mon, Aug 10, 2020 at 1:24 AM Don H <lmddh50@...> wrote:
There is a extension for browsers called homey that automatically
searches for promo codes on certain web sites.  After installing the
extension to Google Chrome and going to amazon Honey puts up some info
on the web page that it seems that NVDA can't get to. Anyone using Honey
with NVDA with any success?  Talking about using it on a Win 10 system
with latest version of Google Chrome and NVDA 2020.2.







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Training and Support Manager


Re: Unnecessary verbiage that wastes my time

Quentin Christensen
 

Re the speed of getting replies to questions - You're going to get that wherever you can most quickly get the attention of the highest number of people who might be able to answer any given question.  I've never used Discord myself, but would follow if that was where the NVDA community was.

If you do have NVDA specific questions, another way of getting instant help is our telephone support.  It's not free, but it's a local US or Australian number you can call at any time.  You can purchase on its own or as part of the NVDA Productivity Bundle from the NV Access shop: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Kind regards

Quentin.

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On 8 Aug 2020, at 5:16, Luke Davis wrote:

Hey, who you callin old? LOL

I'm as desirous of immediate gratification as the next person. However, I'm even more desirous of quality responses from a wide base of experience. In the open source software community, that mostly tends to be mailing lists and web based forums, of which this is both.

But again, you're free to start something else, and find out the answer to the age-old (or at least 30 year old) question: if you build it, will they come?
That's the beauty of open source.

Now, get off my lawn!

Luke

On Sat, 8 Aug 2020, Sharni-Lee Ward wrote:

Perhaps it's a "me" thing. I find email responses much slower on the whole, which is why I tried to turn to skype groups a while back for more prompt assistance. I would personally prefer a more realtime interaction rather than waiting hours for a response that might not be entirely helpful.

I will admit, however, that many of you are not as young (twenty-nine) as me, nor do many of you have as much free time. And perhaps I'm just impatient when I want a problem solved and should work on that rather than demand an entire group change how they do things for my own convenience.



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