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Re: issues with quick nav of thunderbird and NVDA

Gene
 

In that case, upgrading may be a good idea.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Hareth
Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2020 1:25 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] issues with quick nav of thunderbird and NVDA

No,
The quick key folder navigation does work fine with thunderbird 78.
plus they added some long waited feature "minimize to tray' to TB options
And the options setting interface has become a lot easier to deal with. .
SS

On 8/12/20, Gene <gsasner@gmail.com> wrote:
It should be noted that when you get to version 78.x, which isn't available

through the program update yet, but its coming at some point, that the quick

navigation add-on will no longer work, nor will the other add-on that adds
functionality. I might be able to find out its name. Its something like
Mozilla enhancements. I've said before that if people only use Thunderbird

for e-mail, I think updating is a bad idea. If you use other features, it
might make sense to do so.

Also, the Lightning add-on is no longer used in 78.X. The calendar function

is built into the program. I don't know if it can be disabled but those are

changes people who just let the program update should be aware of. If it
can't be disabled, that might be another reason for not letting the program

update. These topics need more discussion.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2020 12:00 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] issues with quick nav of thunderbird and NVDA

On Wed, Aug 12, 2020 at 08:50 AM, Dan Beaver wrote:
I took a look around and discovered that there had been an extension
installed called Lightning.This was the Calendar/Schedule extension for
Thunderbird, from way, way back. If you don't use that functionality, then

removing it is a good idea.

I've had consistent behavior out of the Quick Folder Key Navigation
extension for years now.

--


Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363

A gentleman is one who never hurts anyone's feelings unintentionally.

~ Oscar Wilde
Re: Thunderbird quick key folder nav extension

Hareth
 

I've used the thunderbird 78 own addons browser to install it.
It doesn't show on the internet browsers the way it appears with the
thunderbird own browser.
Hope that helps.
SS

On 8/12/20, Don H <lmddh50@adams.net> wrote:
When I looked for addons for version 78 the quick key nav was not a
option to install.

On 8/12/2020 1:18 PM, Hareth wrote:
Hi,
For a few days now Quick Folder Key Navigation extension works even
with the latest thunderbird 78 release.
Plus worth saying here that the long waited for "minimize to tray"
feature has been added to Thunderbird 78 as well.
You can find it in the thunderbird options.
SS
On 8/12/20, Brian Vogel <britechguy@gmail.com> wrote:
Here's a first, at least for me. I went in to Tbird extensions to see
which
ones I have installed after someone mentioned Lightning on a separate
topic. Quick Folder Key Navigation is another of the extensions I have
installed.

After jumping over to my web browser for a couple of minutes, I noticed
a
T-bird window with the title, "Loading...," had shown up, which I'd
never
seen before, and its content is about Quick Folder Key Navigation. It
reads: The add-on has been updated to make it compatible with
Thunderbird
version 69.0 and later. It continues to be compatible with Thunderbird
68.0.
Note that the "Enable key navigation" item for toggling key navigation
on
and off in the folder tree that used to be added to the "Go" menu has
been
moved to the context menu of the folder tree. The only button is Close.

--

Brian *-* Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363

A gentleman is one who never hurts anyone's feelings unintentionally.

~ Oscar Wilde
Re: Thunderbird quick key folder nav extension

Don H
 

When I looked for addons for version 78 the quick key nav was not a option to install.

On 8/12/2020 1:18 PM, Hareth wrote:
Hi,
For a few days now Quick Folder Key Navigation extension works even
with the latest thunderbird 78 release.
Plus worth saying here that the long waited for "minimize to tray"
feature has been added to Thunderbird 78 as well.
You can find it in the thunderbird options.
SS
On 8/12/20, Brian Vogel <britechguy@gmail.com> wrote:
Here's a first, at least for me. I went in to Tbird extensions to see which
ones I have installed after someone mentioned Lightning on a separate
topic. Quick Folder Key Navigation is another of the extensions I have
installed.

After jumping over to my web browser for a couple of minutes, I noticed a
T-bird window with the title, "Loading...," had shown up, which I'd never
seen before, and its content is about Quick Folder Key Navigation. It
reads: The add-on has been updated to make it compatible with Thunderbird
version 69.0 and later. It continues to be compatible with Thunderbird 68.0.
Note that the "Enable key navigation" item for toggling key navigation on
and off in the folder tree that used to be added to the "Go" menu has been
moved to the context menu of the folder tree. The only button is Close.

--

Brian *-* Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363

A gentleman is one who never hurts anyone's feelings unintentionally.

~ Oscar Wilde
Re: issues with quick nav of thunderbird and NVDA

Hareth
 

No,
The quick key folder navigation does work fine with thunderbird 78.
plus they added some long waited feature "minimize to tray' to TB options
And the options setting interface has become a lot easier to deal with. .
SS

On 8/12/20, Gene <gsasner@gmail.com> wrote:
It should be noted that when you get to version 78.x, which isn't available

through the program update yet, but its coming at some point, that the quick

navigation add-on will no longer work, nor will the other add-on that adds
functionality. I might be able to find out its name. Its something like
Mozilla enhancements. I've said before that if people only use Thunderbird

for e-mail, I think updating is a bad idea. If you use other features, it
might make sense to do so.

Also, the Lightning add-on is no longer used in 78.X. The calendar function

is built into the program. I don't know if it can be disabled but those are

changes people who just let the program update should be aware of. If it
can't be disabled, that might be another reason for not letting the program

update. These topics need more discussion.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2020 12:00 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] issues with quick nav of thunderbird and NVDA

On Wed, Aug 12, 2020 at 08:50 AM, Dan Beaver wrote:
I took a look around and discovered that there had been an extension
installed called Lightning.This was the Calendar/Schedule extension for
Thunderbird, from way, way back. If you don't use that functionality, then

removing it is a good idea.

I've had consistent behavior out of the Quick Folder Key Navigation
extension for years now.

--


Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363

A gentleman is one who never hurts anyone's feelings unintentionally.

~ Oscar Wilde
Re: Thunderbird quick key folder nav extension

Hareth
 

Hi,
For a few days now Quick Folder Key Navigation extension works even
with the latest thunderbird 78 release.
Plus worth saying here that the long waited for "minimize to tray"
feature has been added to Thunderbird 78 as well.
You can find it in the thunderbird options.
SS

On 8/12/20, Brian Vogel <britechguy@gmail.com> wrote:
Here's a first, at least for me. I went in to Tbird extensions to see which
ones I have installed after someone mentioned Lightning on a separate
topic. Quick Folder Key Navigation is another of the extensions I have
installed.

After jumping over to my web browser for a couple of minutes, I noticed a
T-bird window with the title, "Loading...," had shown up, which I'd never
seen before, and its content is about Quick Folder Key Navigation. It
reads: The add-on has been updated to make it compatible with Thunderbird
version 69.0 and later. It continues to be compatible with Thunderbird 68.0.
Note that the "Enable key navigation" item for toggling key navigation on
and off in the folder tree that used to be added to the "Go" menu has been
moved to the context menu of the folder tree. The only button is Close.

--

Brian *-* Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363

A gentleman is one who never hurts anyone's feelings unintentionally.

~ Oscar Wilde
Re: Thunderbird quick key folder nav extension

Gene
 

Since the Quick Keys navigation add-on updated, perhaps the hnew version works with version 78.x. That may no longer be a problem. But I don't know if 78.x introduced more changes that cause the add-on not to be compatible.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2020 12:11 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Thunderbird quick key folder nav extension

Here's a first, at least for me. I went in to Tbird extensions to see which ones I have installed after someone mentioned Lightning on a separate topic. Quick Folder Key Navigation is another of the extensions I have installed.

After jumping over to my web browser for a couple of minutes, I noticed a T-bird window with the title, "Loading...," had shown up, which I'd never seen before, and its content is about Quick Folder Key Navigation. It reads: The add-on has been updated to make it compatible with Thunderbird version 69.0 and later. It continues to be compatible with Thunderbird 68.0. Note that the "Enable key navigation" item for toggling key navigation on and off in the folder tree that used to be added to the "Go" menu has been moved to the context menu of the folder tree. The only button is Close.

--


Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363

A gentleman is one who never hurts anyone's feelings unintentionally.

~ Oscar Wilde
Re: issues with quick nav of thunderbird and NVDA

Gene
 

It should be noted that when you get to version 78.x, which isn't available through the program update yet, but its coming at some point, that the quick navigation add-on will no longer work, nor will the other add-on that adds functionality. I might be able to find out its name. Its something like Mozilla enhancements. I've said before that if people only use Thunderbird for e-mail, I think updating is a bad idea. If you use other features, it might make sense to do so.

Also, the Lightning add-on is no longer used in 78.X. The calendar function is built into the program. I don't know if it can be disabled but those are changes people who just let the program update should be aware of. If it can't be disabled, that might be another reason for not letting the program update. These topics need more discussion.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2020 12:00 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] issues with quick nav of thunderbird and NVDA

On Wed, Aug 12, 2020 at 08:50 AM, Dan Beaver wrote:
I took a look around and discovered that there had been an extension installed called Lightning.This was the Calendar/Schedule extension for Thunderbird, from way, way back. If you don't use that functionality, then removing it is a good idea.

I've had consistent behavior out of the Quick Folder Key Navigation extension for years now.

--


Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363

A gentleman is one who never hurts anyone's feelings unintentionally.

~ Oscar Wilde
Re: Thunderbird quick key folder nav extension

Brian Vogel
 

Here's a first, at least for me.  I went in to Tbird extensions to see which ones I have installed after someone mentioned Lightning on a separate topic.  Quick Folder Key Navigation is another of the extensions I have installed.

After jumping over to my web browser for a couple of minutes, I noticed a T-bird window with the title, "Loading...," had shown up, which I'd never seen before, and its content is about Quick Folder Key Navigation.  It reads:  The add-on has been updated to make it compatible with Thunderbird version 69.0 and later. It continues to be compatible with Thunderbird 68.0. Note that the "Enable key navigation" item for toggling key navigation on and off in the folder tree that used to be added to the "Go" menu has been moved to the context menu of the folder tree.  The only button is Close.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

A gentleman is one who never hurts anyone's feelings unintentionally.

          ~ Oscar Wilde

 
Re: issues with quick nav of thunderbird and NVDA

Brian Vogel
 

On Wed, Aug 12, 2020 at 08:50 AM, Dan Beaver wrote:
I took a look around and discovered that there had been an extension installed called Lightning.
This was the Calendar/Schedule extension for Thunderbird, from way, way back.   If you don't use that functionality, then removing it is a good idea.

I've had consistent behavior out of the Quick Folder Key Navigation extension for years now.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

A gentleman is one who never hurts anyone's feelings unintentionally.

          ~ Oscar Wilde

 
Re: NVDA remote access and usage

Don Risavy, Jr.
 

Thanks for the info as will look it over later today or tonight to see what was doing wrong as was using two different computers one my desktop and one my laptop both have the latest nvda installed and the remote add in installed too.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of zahra
Sent: August 12, 2020 10:25 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA remote access and usage

hello nvda remote user guide from
nvdaremote.com
website.

NVDA Remote Access
Version 2.2
Welcome to the NVDA Remote Access addon, which will allow you to connect to another computer running the free NVDA screen reader. It makes no difference whether you are across the room or across the world. Connecting is simple, and there are very few commands to remember. You can connect to another person's computer, or allow a trusted person to connect to your system to perform routine maintenance, diagnose a problem, or provide training.
Before You Begin
You will need to have installed NVDA on both computers, and obtain the NVDA Remote Access addon. The installation of both NVDA and the Remote Access addon are standard. If you need more information, this can be found in NVDA's User Guide.
Updating
When updating the addon, if you have installed NVDA Remote on the secure desktop, it is recommended that you also update the copy on the secure desktop. To do this, first update your existing addon. Then open the NVDA menu, preferences, General settings, and press the button labeled "Use currently saved settings on the logon and other secure screens (requires administrator privileges)".
Starting a remote session through a relay server On the computer to be controlled 1. Open the NVDA menu, Tools, Remote, Connect.
2. Choose client in the first radio button.
3. Select Allow this machine to be controlled in the second set of radio buttons.
4. In the host field, enter the host of the server you are connecting to, for example nvdaremote.com. When the particular server uses an alternative port, you can enter the host in the form <host>:<port>, for example nvdaremote.com:1234.
5. Enter a key into the key field, or press the generate key button.
The key is what others will use to control your computer. The machine being controlled and all its clients need to use the same key.
6. Press ok. Once done, you will hear a tone and connected.
On the machine that is to be the controlling computer 1. Open the NVDA menu, Tools, Remote, Connect.
2. Choose client in the first radio button.
3. Select Control another machine in the second set of radio buttons.
4. In the host field, enter the host of the server you are connecting to, for example nvdaremote.com. When the particular server uses an alternative port, you can enter the host in the form <host>:<port>, for example nvdaremote.com:1234.
5. Enter a key into the key field, or press the generate key button.
The machine being controlled and all its clients need to use the same key.
6. Press ok. Once done, you will hear a tone and connected.
Direct connections
The server option in the connect dialog allows you to set up a direct connection. Once selecting this, select which mode your end of the connection wwill be in. The other pperson will connect to you using the opposite.
Once the mode is selected, you can use the Get External IP button to get your external IP address and make sure the port which is entered in the port field is forwarded correctly. If portcheck detects that your port (6837 by default) is not reachable, a warning will appear.
Forward your port and try again. Note: The process for forwarding ports is outside of the scope of this document. Please consult the information provided with your router for further instruction.
Enter a key into the key field, or press generate. The other person will need your external IP along with the key to connect. If you entered a port other than the default (6837) in the port field, make sure that the other person appends the alternative port to the host address in the form <external ip>:<port>.
Once ok is pressed, you will be connected. When the other person connects, you can use NVDA Remote normally.
Controlling the remote machine
Once the session is connected, the user of the controlling machine can press f11 to start controlling the remote machine (e.g. by sending keyboard keys or braille input). When NVDA says controlling remote machine, the keyboard and braille display keys you press will go to the remote machine. Furthermore, when the controlling machine is using a braille display, information from the remote machine will be displayed on it. Press f11 again to stop sending keys and switch back to the controlling machine. For best compatibility, please ensure that the keyboard layouts on both machines match.
Sharing your session
To share a link so someone else can easily join your NVDA REMOTE session, select Copy Link from the Remote menu. IF you are connected as the controlling computer, this link will allow someone else to connect and be controlled. If instead you have set up your computer to be controlled, the link will allow people who you share it with to control your machine. Many applications will allow users to activate this link automatically, but if it does not run from within a specific app, it can be coppied to the clipboard and run from the run dialog.
Send Ctrl+Alt+Del
While sending keys, it is not possible to send the CTRL+Alt+del combination normally. If you need to send CTRL+Alt+del, and the remote system is on the secure desktop, use this command.
Remotely Controlling an Unattended Computer Sometimes, you may wish to control one of your own computers remotely.
This is especially helpful if you are traveling, and you wish to control your home PC from your laptop. Or, you may want to control a computer in one room of your house while sitting outside with another PC. A little advanced preparation makes this convenient and possible.
1. Enter the NVDA menu, and choose Tools, then Remote. Finally, press Enter on Options.
2. Check the box that says, "Auto connect to control server on startup".
3. Select whether to use a remote relay server or to locally host the connection.
4. Select Allow this machine to be controlled in the second set of radio buttons.
5. If you host the connection yourself, you will need to ensure that the port entered in the port field (6837 by default) on the controlled machine can be accessed from the controlling machines.
6. If you wish to use a relay server, Fill in both the Host and Key fields, tab to OK, and press Enter. The Generate Key option is not available in this situation. It is best to come up with a key you will remember so you can easily use it from any remote location.
For advanced use, you can also configure NVDA Remote to automatically connect to a local or remote relay server in controlling mode. If you want this, select Control another machine in the second set of radio buttons.
Note: The autoconnect at startup-related options in the options dialog do not apply until NVDA is restarted.
Muting Speech on the Remote Computer
If you do not wish to hear the remote computer's speech or NVDA specific sounds, simply access the NVDA menu, Tools, and Remote. Arrow down to Mute Remote, and press Enter. Please note that this option will not disable remote braille output to the controlling display when the controlling machine is sending keys.
Ending a remote Session
To end a remote session, do the following:
1.
On the controlling computer, press F11 to stop controlling the remote machine. You should hear or read the message: "Controlling local machine." If you instead hear or read a message that you are controlling the remote machine, press F11 once more.
2.
Access the NVDA menu, then Tools, Remote, and press Enter on Disconnect.
Push clipboard
The Push clipboard option in the remote menu allows you to push text from your clipboard. when activated, any text on the clipboard will be pushed to the other machines.
Configuring NVDA Remote to Work on a Secure Desktop In order for NVDA Remote to work on the secure desktop, the addon must be installed in the NVDA running on the secure desktop.
1.
From the NVDA menu, select Preferences, then General Settings.
2.
Tab to the Use Currently Saved Settings on the Logon and Other Secure Screens (requires administrator privileges) button, and press Enter.
3.
Answer Yes to the prompts regarding copying your settings and about copying plugins, and respond to the User Account Control prompt that may appear.
4. When settings are copied, press Enter to dismiss the OK button. Tab to OK and Enter once more to exit the dialog.
Once NVDA Remote is installed on the secure desktop, if you are currently being controlled in a remote session, you will have speech and braille access to the secure desktop when switched to.

On 8/12/20, Don Risavy, Jr. <donaldrisavy@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello,

Was wondering if there was a easier method for using the remote plug
in for NVDA as what saw and or tried to use was extremely aggravating,
challenging and frustrating trying to figure out how to use the plug
in for accessing other computers that are using and have nvda installed.

Thanks.

Don









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were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali
Re: NVDA remote access and usage

Don Risavy, Jr.
 

Ok how do I contact you off-list?

Thanks.

Don

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Charles Adkins
Sent: August 12, 2020 10:32 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA remote access and usage

 

Actually, I have had the opposite result. I use it here at work on two computers. If I can help write me off list. I got my help from the nvdaremote.com page. Hope that helps. 



On Aug 12, 2020, at 10:02 AM, Don Risavy, Jr. <donaldrisavy@...> wrote:



Hello,

Was wondering if there was a easier method for using the remote plug in for NVDA as what saw and or tried to use was extremely aggravating, challenging and frustrating trying to figure out how to use the plug in for accessing other computers that are using and have nvda installed.

Thanks.

Don

 

 
Re: problem with search edit box in folders

Joseph Lee
 

Hi,
Pressing Tab might not help as it shows the content of the folder in question. When I do press Enter on a search result, focus moves to folders tree view.
To help diagnose this, I need a debug log (restart NVDA with debug logging enabled), reproduce the problem, press NVDA+F1 to open the log viewer, select and copy everything, and paste it as a private email to me; I'll then inform the list about my findings).
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of seb naudet
Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2020 9:19 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with search edit box in folders


Windows 10 App Essentials is installed and up to date :) but it doesn't help, down arrow only works to brows 10 previous searchs.
if i press enter on one of these previous search, i'm stuck in an empty window. the only way to see results list is to alt tab.
same problem if i type a new search.
enter, nothing then alt tab and the list is correctly displaied.

i haven't tried to modify windows settings as suggested in another message.

thank you

Le 12/08/2020 à 17:58, Joseph Lee a écrit :
Hi,
This confirms what I thought was happening. This is a change in Windows (since Version 1909) and it is here to stay. To access search results, you must use down arrow key. But before you do that, try installing Windows 10 App Essentials add-on and see if that makes a difference (I yes, this is another justification for me to do something about it).
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of seb
naudet
Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2020 3:38 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with search edit box in folders

Hello Joseph,

yes it says searchui is loaded andsearchapp.exe is running.

is it a problem with NVDA or something i have to modify in windows?

thank you

Le 12/08/2020 à 00:44, Joseph Lee a écrit :
Hi,
I think I know why this is happening. But just to verify, from File Explorer, press Control+E to focus to search field. Wait about ten seconds then press Control+NVDA+F1. If it says "searchui" or "searchapp", then yes, this is Windows Search interface, not File Explorer. I look forward to a day when I can sleep better at nights knowing that folks don't have to install Windows 10 App Essentials add-on to use many features.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2020 3:34 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with search edit box in folders

Very strange.
I can't really comment on the window not refreshing (I'm guessing visually the info is there but NVDA doesn't "see it" til you return to the window) But to me there doesn't seem a huge difference between pressing enter and down arrow.
Unfortunately I can't totally recall how things seemed to work before, but I seem to recall search populating as I was typing into the box.
So for example in my "films" folder I could start typing "holocaust" into the search box and after a few letters "cannibal holocaust" would be there, etc.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of seb
naudet
Sent: August 11, 2020 4:35 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with search edit box in folders

yes i have to refresh the window with alt tab.

if i don't, folder list is not filtered, and sometimes i'm stuck in anempty window.

in previous windows version i only had to down arrow to display search results.

like in start menu.



Le 11/08/2020 à 21:57, JM Casey a écrit :

I've had to press enter for a while now. Not sure when it started but maybe an update or so ago for me (and I'm still on 1909). But alt-tab? That is strange. You mean there is a separate window coming up? Or are results not showing up until you return to your initial file explorer window..maybe not being recognised by nVDA?



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of seb
naudet
Sent: August 11, 2020 6:27 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] problem with search edit box in folders

Hello list,

i've recently updated my windows 10 pro (64-bit) Version 2004
(10.0.19041)

and last NVDA available.

when i search for a file in a folder i now have to press enter after typing the name, and alt tab to see the result of my search.

quite complicate compared with previous version of windows.

any idea to simplify access to search results?


thank you










.






.




.
Re: problem with search edit box in folders

seb naudet
 

Windows 10 App Essentials is installed and up to date :)
but it doesn't help, down arrow only works to brows 10 previous searchs.
if i press enter on one of these previous search, i'm stuck in an empty window. the only way to see results list is to alt tab.
same problem if i type a new search.
enter, nothing then alt tab and the list is correctly displaied.

i haven't tried to modify windows settings as suggested in another message.

thank you

Le 12/08/2020 à 17:58, Joseph Lee a écrit :
Hi,
This confirms what I thought was happening. This is a change in Windows (since Version 1909) and it is here to stay. To access search results, you must use down arrow key. But before you do that, try installing Windows 10 App Essentials add-on and see if that makes a difference (I yes, this is another justification for me to do something about it).
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of seb naudet
Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2020 3:38 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with search edit box in folders

Hello Joseph,

yes it says searchui is loaded andsearchapp.exe is running.

is it a problem with NVDA or something i have to modify in windows?

thank you

Le 12/08/2020 à 00:44, Joseph Lee a écrit :
Hi,
I think I know why this is happening. But just to verify, from File Explorer, press Control+E to focus to search field. Wait about ten seconds then press Control+NVDA+F1. If it says "searchui" or "searchapp", then yes, this is Windows Search interface, not File Explorer. I look forward to a day when I can sleep better at nights knowing that folks don't have to install Windows 10 App Essentials add-on to use many features.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2020 3:34 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with search edit box in folders

Very strange.
I can't really comment on the window not refreshing (I'm guessing visually the info is there but NVDA doesn't "see it" til you return to the window) But to me there doesn't seem a huge difference between pressing enter and down arrow.
Unfortunately I can't totally recall how things seemed to work before, but I seem to recall search populating as I was typing into the box.
So for example in my "films" folder I could start typing "holocaust" into the search box and after a few letters "cannibal holocaust" would be there, etc.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of seb
naudet
Sent: August 11, 2020 4:35 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with search edit box in folders

yes i have to refresh the window with alt tab.

if i don't, folder list is not filtered, and sometimes i'm stuck in anempty window.

in previous windows version i only had to down arrow to display search results.

like in start menu.



Le 11/08/2020 à 21:57, JM Casey a écrit :

I've had to press enter for a while now. Not sure when it started but maybe an update or so ago for me (and I'm still on 1909). But alt-tab? That is strange. You mean there is a separate window coming up? Or are results not showing up until you return to your initial file explorer window..maybe not being recognised by nVDA?



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of seb
naudet
Sent: August 11, 2020 6:27 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] problem with search edit box in folders

Hello list,

i've recently updated my windows 10 pro (64-bit) Version 2004
(10.0.19041)

and last NVDA available.

when i search for a file in a folder i now have to press enter after typing the name, and alt tab to see the result of my search.

quite complicate compared with previous version of windows.

any idea to simplify access to search results?


thank you










.






.



.
Re: problem with search edit box in folders

Joseph Lee
 

Hi,
This confirms what I thought was happening. This is a change in Windows (since Version 1909) and it is here to stay. To access search results, you must use down arrow key. But before you do that, try installing Windows 10 App Essentials add-on and see if that makes a difference (I yes, this is another justification for me to do something about it).
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of seb naudet
Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2020 3:38 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with search edit box in folders

Hello Joseph,

yes it says searchui is loaded andsearchapp.exe is running.

is it a problem with NVDA or something i have to modify in windows?

thank you

Le 12/08/2020 à 00:44, Joseph Lee a écrit :
Hi,
I think I know why this is happening. But just to verify, from File Explorer, press Control+E to focus to search field. Wait about ten seconds then press Control+NVDA+F1. If it says "searchui" or "searchapp", then yes, this is Windows Search interface, not File Explorer. I look forward to a day when I can sleep better at nights knowing that folks don't have to install Windows 10 App Essentials add-on to use many features.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2020 3:34 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with search edit box in folders

Very strange.
I can't really comment on the window not refreshing (I'm guessing visually the info is there but NVDA doesn't "see it" til you return to the window) But to me there doesn't seem a huge difference between pressing enter and down arrow.
Unfortunately I can't totally recall how things seemed to work before, but I seem to recall search populating as I was typing into the box.
So for example in my "films" folder I could start typing "holocaust" into the search box and after a few letters "cannibal holocaust" would be there, etc.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of seb
naudet
Sent: August 11, 2020 4:35 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with search edit box in folders

yes i have to refresh the window with alt tab.

if i don't, folder list is not filtered, and sometimes i'm stuck in anempty window.

in previous windows version i only had to down arrow to display search results.

like in start menu.



Le 11/08/2020 à 21:57, JM Casey a écrit :

I've had to press enter for a while now. Not sure when it started but maybe an update or so ago for me (and I'm still on 1909). But alt-tab? That is strange. You mean there is a separate window coming up? Or are results not showing up until you return to your initial file explorer window..maybe not being recognised by nVDA?



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of seb
naudet
Sent: August 11, 2020 6:27 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] problem with search edit box in folders

Hello list,

i've recently updated my windows 10 pro (64-bit) Version 2004
(10.0.19041)

and last NVDA available.

when i search for a file in a folder i now have to press enter after typing the name, and alt tab to see the result of my search.

quite complicate compared with previous version of windows.

any idea to simplify access to search results?


thank you










.







.
question for listers, who are also musicians

J.G
 

Hello,

on NVDA's github I opened an issue about musical symbols which would be added in to NVDA.
link:
https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/11486
I would like to know, is it usable for NVDA users? if it would be usable, I plan to work on this issue and work on file, which has been linked in this issue. obviously I will gladly appretiate any help from community, because it is my first project to contribute to NVDA excluding translations.
two questions are obvious:
- on which level should be these symbol spoken (none, some, most or all) etc
- should be "musical symbol" spoken near actual symbol e.g. musical symbol half note?
- And did I forget any important symbol, which should be included here?

thanks.

regards,
Jožef
Re: NVDA remote access and usage

Charles Adkins
 

Actually, I have had the opposite result. I use it here at work on two computers. If I can help write me off list. I got my help from the nvdaremote.com page. Hope that helps. 


On Aug 12, 2020, at 10:02 AM, Don Risavy, Jr. <donaldrisavy@...> wrote:



Hello,

Was wondering if there was a easier method for using the remote plug in for NVDA as what saw and or tried to use was extremely aggravating, challenging and frustrating trying to figure out how to use the plug in for accessing other computers that are using and have nvda installed.

Thanks.

Don

 

 
Re: Protonmail

Jesse Farquharson
 

Hello,

The bridge is a feature which can be accessed by any of the paid plans, but unfortunately not for free. You can still use the web interface though.
Re: NVDA remote access and usage

zahra
 

hello nvda remote user guide from
nvdaremote.com
website.

NVDA Remote Access
Version 2.2
Welcome to the NVDA Remote Access addon, which will allow you to
connect to another computer running the free NVDA screen reader. It
makes no difference whether you are across the room or across the
world. Connecting is simple, and there are very few commands to
remember. You can connect to another person's computer, or allow a
trusted person to connect to your system to perform routine
maintenance, diagnose a problem, or provide training.
Before You Begin
You will need to have installed NVDA on both computers, and obtain the
NVDA Remote Access addon. The installation of both NVDA and the Remote
Access addon are standard. If you need more information, this can be
found in NVDA's User Guide.
Updating
When updating the addon, if you have installed NVDA Remote on the
secure desktop, it is recommended that you also update the copy on the
secure desktop. To do this, first update your existing addon. Then
open the NVDA menu, preferences, General settings, and press the
button labeled "Use currently saved settings on the logon and other
secure screens (requires administrator privileges)".
Starting a remote session through a relay server
On the computer to be controlled
1. Open the NVDA menu, Tools, Remote, Connect.
2. Choose client in the first radio button.
3. Select Allow this machine to be controlled in the second set of
radio buttons.
4. In the host field, enter the host of the server you are connecting
to, for example nvdaremote.com. When the particular server uses an
alternative port, you can enter the host in the form <host>:<port>,
for example nvdaremote.com:1234.
5. Enter a key into the key field, or press the generate key button.
The key is what others will use to control your computer. The machine
being controlled and all its clients need to use the same key.
6. Press ok. Once done, you will hear a tone and connected.
On the machine that is to be the controlling computer
1. Open the NVDA menu, Tools, Remote, Connect.
2. Choose client in the first radio button.
3. Select Control another machine in the second set of radio buttons.
4. In the host field, enter the host of the server you are connecting
to, for example nvdaremote.com. When the particular server uses an
alternative port, you can enter the host in the form <host>:<port>,
for example nvdaremote.com:1234.
5. Enter a key into the key field, or press the generate key button.
The machine being controlled and all its clients need to use the same
key.
6. Press ok. Once done, you will hear a tone and connected.
Direct connections
The server option in the connect dialog allows you to set up a direct
connection. Once selecting this, select which mode your end of the
connection wwill be in. The other pperson will connect to you using
the opposite.
Once the mode is selected, you can use the Get External IP button to
get your external IP address and make sure the port which is entered
in the port field is forwarded correctly. If portcheck detects that
your port (6837 by default) is not reachable, a warning will appear.
Forward your port and try again. Note: The process for forwarding
ports is outside of the scope of this document. Please consult the
information provided with your router for further instruction.
Enter a key into the key field, or press generate. The other person
will need your external IP along with the key to connect. If you
entered a port other than the default (6837) in the port field, make
sure that the other person appends the alternative port to the host
address in the form <external ip>:<port>.
Once ok is pressed, you will be connected. When the other person
connects, you can use NVDA Remote normally.
Controlling the remote machine
Once the session is connected, the user of the controlling machine can
press f11 to start controlling the remote machine (e.g. by sending
keyboard keys or braille input). When NVDA says controlling remote
machine, the keyboard and braille display keys you press will go to
the remote machine. Furthermore, when the controlling machine is using
a braille display, information from the remote machine will be
displayed on it. Press f11 again to stop sending keys and switch back
to the controlling machine. For best compatibility, please ensure that
the keyboard layouts on both machines match.
Sharing your session
To share a link so someone else can easily join your NVDA REMOTE
session, select Copy Link from the Remote menu. IF you are connected
as the controlling computer, this link will allow someone else to
connect and be controlled. If instead you have set up your computer to
be controlled, the link will allow people who you share it with to
control your machine. Many applications will allow users to activate
this link automatically, but if it does not run from within a specific
app, it can be coppied to the clipboard and run from the run dialog.
Send Ctrl+Alt+Del
While sending keys, it is not possible to send the CTRL+Alt+del
combination normally. If you need to send CTRL+Alt+del, and the remote
system is on the secure desktop, use this command.
Remotely Controlling an Unattended Computer
Sometimes, you may wish to control one of your own computers remotely.
This is especially helpful if you are traveling, and you wish to
control your home PC from your laptop. Or, you may want to control a
computer in one room of your house while sitting outside with another
PC. A little advanced preparation makes this convenient and possible.
1. Enter the NVDA menu, and choose Tools, then Remote. Finally, press
Enter on Options.
2. Check the box that says, "Auto connect to control server on startup".
3. Select whether to use a remote relay server or to locally host the
connection.
4. Select Allow this machine to be controlled in the second set of
radio buttons.
5. If you host the connection yourself, you will need to ensure that
the port entered in the port field (6837 by default) on the controlled
machine can be accessed from the controlling machines.
6. If you wish to use a relay server, Fill in both the Host and Key
fields, tab to OK, and press Enter. The Generate Key option is not
available in this situation. It is best to come up with a key you will
remember so you can easily use it from any remote location.
For advanced use, you can also configure NVDA Remote to automatically
connect to a local or remote relay server in controlling mode. If you
want this, select Control another machine in the second set of radio
buttons.
Note: The autoconnect at startup-related options in the options dialog
do not apply until NVDA is restarted.
Muting Speech on the Remote Computer
If you do not wish to hear the remote computer's speech or NVDA
specific sounds, simply access the NVDA menu, Tools, and Remote. Arrow
down to Mute Remote, and press Enter. Please note that this option
will not disable remote braille output to the controlling display when
the controlling machine is sending keys.
Ending a remote Session
To end a remote session, do the following:
1.
On the controlling computer, press F11 to stop controlling the remote
machine. You should hear or read the message: "Controlling local
machine." If you instead hear or read a message that you are
controlling the remote machine, press F11 once more.
2.
Access the NVDA menu, then Tools, Remote, and press Enter on Disconnect.
Push clipboard
The Push clipboard option in the remote menu allows you to push text
from your clipboard. when activated, any text on the clipboard will be
pushed to the other machines.
Configuring NVDA Remote to Work on a Secure Desktop
In order for NVDA Remote to work on the secure desktop, the addon must
be installed in the NVDA running on the secure desktop.
1.
From the NVDA menu, select Preferences, then General Settings.
2.
Tab to the Use Currently Saved Settings on the Logon and Other Secure
Screens (requires administrator privileges) button, and press Enter.
3.
Answer Yes to the prompts regarding copying your settings and about
copying plugins, and respond to the User Account Control prompt that
may appear.
4. When settings are copied, press Enter to dismiss the OK button. Tab
to OK and Enter once more to exit the dialog.
Once NVDA Remote is installed on the secure desktop, if you are
currently being controlled in a remote session, you will have speech
and braille access to the secure desktop when switched to.

On 8/12/20, Don Risavy, Jr. <donaldrisavy@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello,

Was wondering if there was a easier method for using the remote plug in for
NVDA as what saw and or tried to use was extremely aggravating, challenging
and frustrating trying to figure out how to use the plug in for accessing
other computers that are using and have nvda installed.

Thanks.

Don








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were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali
NVDA remote access and usage

Don Risavy, Jr.
 

Hello,

Was wondering if there was a easier method for using the remote plug in for NVDA as what saw and or tried to use was extremely aggravating, challenging and frustrating trying to figure out how to use the plug in for accessing other computers that are using and have nvda installed.

Thanks.

Don

 

 
Re: issues with quick nav of thunderbird and NVDA

Don H
 

The quick key nav is the only addon I have installed.  Quick Key Nav is very unreliable.

On 8/12/2020 7:50 AM, Dan Beaver wrote:

I started having the problem where quick nav wasn't working at all.  I took a look around and discovered that there had been an extension installed called Lightning.  I looked into it and decided I didn't want it.  I removed it and now my quick nav extension is working perfectly.


You might want to see if you have this extension installed and ifg you do remove it.  I bet your quick nav will start working again.  You could just disable it to test this first before removing it.


Dan Beaver

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