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Re: Thunderbird quick key folder nav extension

 

On Wed, Aug 12, 2020 at 04:45 PM, Kevin Cussick wrote:
I have not seen this before but now the addon works again as it had stopped working.
-
My guess is that Thunderbird is maturing in terms of how it handles extensions and what it expects of extension authors.  It's really not unlike the evolution of NVDA in that regard.  First there was basically nothing but "write an extension and it's up to the user to know when things change," then Joseph Lee's Add-On Updater, then the added feature to Add-On Updater such that it removes obsolete add-ons, and I believe eventually that functionality is to be integrated into the NVDA core code.  In order for any of that to work, the add-on writers have to provide specific information, in a specific format, so that the logic that figures out, "does this work now," can do it.

That also points out, though, that what many end-users think of as "automatic" is, in reality, anything but.  The ability to have these "automated for the end user" functions work imposes burdens on the developers to support what's needed to make them work.
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

A gentleman is one who never hurts anyone's feelings unintentionally.

          ~ Oscar Wilde

 


Re: NVDA says cannot verify my Vocalizer License

 

Hmmm well it could be a server outage.

Or it could be something with your system or your network or something.

I am currently troubleshooting a system issue with someone right now, and well its a little problematic.

the issue only happens on one apple workstation everything else is fine.

It may be where it is, the system is updated though.

Could be outdated firmware on the network device, I will only know when I see the person next week assuming we are out of lockdown again.

The previder say this person has an old modem and will need to get another and I may try to handle that first.

On 13/08/2020 10:43 am, Socheat Muth wrote:
Yes, I did deactivate my license before I reinstall Windows. Don't know why it did this, as I never had the issue before. And I am the only one who currently using the license. And only one computer being activated though.

On 8/12/2020 1:29 AM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
Could be a system outage, did you deactivate before you reset the system.

You may have to ask code factory or atguys or whoever you got things from for a licence reset.

I have never had this, there are wwarnings to make sure you deactivate or you will lose your licence seat and may have to rebuy the product again, they warn you several times,  never the less you can still ask, as long as you had a legitimate issue they may just reset it for you.



On 13/08/2020 9:52 am, Socheat Muth wrote:
Hi all,


I just wiped out my PC, and installed a fresh copy of Windows. WHen I activate vocalizer on the machine, I got the following message.


Your license can not be verified. Please check the following:
1. Your credentials (email and password) are correct (you can change them under the vocalizer
expressive menu)
2. You are not using someone else's activation or you are not using the same activation in
different computers at the same time. This is not legal, and is against license terms.
3. You are having internet problems.
For further clarification, please contact tiflotecnia, Lda, or your local dealer.

OK


Could anyone tell me what exactly is the problem? I can use it just fine. But the message keep showing whenever I restart NVDA or restart my computer.


Thanks.





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Re: Thunderbird quick key folder nav extension

Kevin Cussick
 

Brian, I got the very same message on my 64bit version of tbird, I have not seen this before but now the addon works again as it had stopped working. so one happy camper.

On 12/08/2020 18:11, Brian Vogel wrote:
Here's a first, at least for me.  I went in to Tbird extensions to see which ones I have installed after someone mentioned Lightning on a separate topic.  Quick Folder Key Navigation is another of the extensions I have installed.
After jumping over to my web browser for a couple of minutes, I noticed a T-bird window with the title, "Loading...," had shown up, which I'd never seen before, and its content is about Quick Folder Key Navigation.  It reads: /The add-on has been updated to make it compatible with Thunderbird version 69.0 and later. It continues to be compatible with Thunderbird 68.0. Note that the "Enable key navigation" item for toggling key navigation on and off in the folder tree that used to be added to the "Go" menu has been moved to the context menu of the folder tree. /The only button is Close.
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Brian *-*Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363
/A gentleman is one who never hurts anyone's feelings unintentionally./
~ Oscar Wilde


Re: issues with quick nav of thunderbird and NVDA

 

You can turn off the today pain in view but even with it off any status message will announce the today pain as being active.

The calendar though is accessible if you do need it.

I don't but some may.

On 13/08/2020 6:51 am, Don H wrote:
One thing that thunderbird 78 has is a calendar that is not a addon as it has been.  Is there a way to disable the calendar?

On 8/12/2020 1:45 PM, Gene wrote:
In that case, upgrading may be a good idea.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Hareth
Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2020 1:25 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] issues with quick nav of thunderbird and NVDA

No,
The quick key folder navigation does work fine with thunderbird 78.
plus they added some long waited feature "minimize to tray' to TB options
And the options setting interface  has become a lot easier to deal with. .
SS

On 8/12/20, Gene <gsasner@gmail.com> wrote:
It should be noted that when you get to version 78.x, which isn't available

through the program update yet, but its coming at some point, that the quick

navigation add-on will no longer work, nor will the other add-on that adds
functionality.  I might be able to find out its name.  Its something like
Mozilla enhancements.  I've said before that if people only use Thunderbird

for e-mail, I think updating is a bad idea.  If you use other features, it
might make sense to do so.

Also, the Lightning add-on is no longer used in 78.X.  The calendar function

is built into the program.  I don't know if it can be disabled but those are

changes people who just let the program update should be aware of.  If it
can't be disabled, that might be another reason for not letting the program

update.  These topics need more discussion.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2020 12:00 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] issues with quick nav of thunderbird and NVDA

On Wed, Aug 12, 2020 at 08:50 AM, Dan Beaver wrote:
I took a look around and discovered that there had been an extension
installed called Lightning.This was the Calendar/Schedule extension for
Thunderbird, from way, way back.   If you don't use that functionality, then

removing it is a good idea.

I've had consistent behavior out of the Quick Folder Key Navigation
extension for years now.

--


Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363

A gentleman is one who never hurts anyone's feelings unintentionally.

          ~ Oscar Wilde















Re: issues with quick nav of thunderbird and NVDA

 

On Wed, Aug 12, 2020 at 02:08 PM, Gene wrote:
I've said before that if people only use Thunderbird for e-mail, I think updating is a bad idea.
-
Rushing to update anything before it's main public release is always fraught with problems.  So is refusing to update after a major release as time marches on.

Best practice is to update to keep pace with the latest release that is available to the public, not in beta, regardless of the software involved, whenever one can.  If you're going to have problems, and you are no matter what you do (or don't do) it's better to have them with something where a solution will be actively being sought, and that means current versions (and/or supported versions - as come companies do support several at one time).
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

A gentleman is one who never hurts anyone's feelings unintentionally.

          ~ Oscar Wilde

 


Re: Protonmail

 

Hmmm the bridge sounds a mess.

At any rate why would I want to use protonmail web when I can use gmail without any message limits on thunderbird.

I guess I could set up an encripted email on proton if I were that concerned which I am not.

I am not doing anything wrong anywhere.

Why can't I just set up pgp if I really want to do this, thunderbird supports it.

So google make money, our personal information is up for sale, and they give us so much free services, services which would cost a lot otherwise.

Is it worth the loss of privacy.

Put it this way, it is secure, and I have really good uptime.

Pluss the os, the gps, the maps, email, hangouts, chrome, the list goes on and on and on.

And its why I bother with google adds even.

They are giving me enough that I feel I don't mind selling my private info to them, as long as they continue to give me remote services like captcha for my site and it all works and translation and image discriptions and other things like they do, oh and youtube, music and otherwise, its worth my privacy.

Back on dialup days I can remember a 10 mb storage limit, 2.50 dollars an hour, 2 bucks for an email address a month.

I think the issue with a lot of new people is they forget before the cloud it actually cost a lot to be online.

Being private is fine, but on the other hand if google were an isp to I'd also get into it.



On 13/08/2020 2:27 am, Jesse Farquharson wrote:

Hello,

The bridge is a feature which can be accessed by any of the paid plans, but unfortunately not for free. You can still use the web interface though.


Re: issues with quick nav of thunderbird and NVDA

Kevin Cussick
 

Hi, Interestingly enough I got an update to this app on this computer I am using 78.1.1 of tbird, it is 64bit but I got an update to this addon yesterday and it now works.

On 12/08/2020 13:50, Dan Beaver wrote:
I started having the problem where quick nav wasn't working at all.  I took a look around and discovered that there had been an extension installed called Lightning.  I looked into it and decided I didn't want it.  I removed it and now my quick nav extension is working perfectly.
You might want to see if you have this extension installed and ifg you do remove it.  I bet your quick nav will start working again.  You could just disable it to test this first before removing it.
Dan Beaver
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Dan Beaver (KA4DAN)


applian medi capture latest install

 

Hi all.

This is just a small note that if you use this and install it, you will loose speech near install end.

If you hit winkey r and type nvda or restart nvda you will get speech back and can finnish install.

A note though, while you will get speech back, it appears the digital output device has been updated, you will need to go to sound and playback in control panel or settings and make sure your internal sound card is the default else you will not get windows sounds to work.

you will then need to restart nvda again.

On reboot it will all work again to.

I really wander how to have it so windows never changes default soundcard no matter what is plugged in.

Obviously if its something like a headset, I want it to change or a usb device.

But not a virtual or an hdmi cable because these things either have really bad speakers or no sound at all.

There used to be a way in windows 7 but I am not sure what to do with windows 10.

Its not the end of the world but its just annoying.


Re: issues with quick nav of thunderbird and NVDA

Hareth
 

This URL is for the latest release in all available languages,
Each language download options has its own heading:
https://www.thunderbird.net/en-US/thunderbird/all/

On 8/12/20, Gene <gsasner@gmail.com> wrote:
In that case, upgrading may be a good idea.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Hareth
Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2020 1:25 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] issues with quick nav of thunderbird and NVDA

No,
The quick key folder navigation does work fine with thunderbird 78.
plus they added some long waited feature "minimize to tray' to TB options
And the options setting interface has become a lot easier to deal with. .
SS

On 8/12/20, Gene <gsasner@gmail.com> wrote:
It should be noted that when you get to version 78.x, which isn't
available

through the program update yet, but its coming at some point, that the
quick

navigation add-on will no longer work, nor will the other add-on that
adds
functionality. I might be able to find out its name. Its something like
Mozilla enhancements. I've said before that if people only use
Thunderbird

for e-mail, I think updating is a bad idea. If you use other features,
it
might make sense to do so.

Also, the Lightning add-on is no longer used in 78.X. The calendar
function

is built into the program. I don't know if it can be disabled but those
are

changes people who just let the program update should be aware of. If it
can't be disabled, that might be another reason for not letting the
program

update. These topics need more discussion.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2020 12:00 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] issues with quick nav of thunderbird and NVDA

On Wed, Aug 12, 2020 at 08:50 AM, Dan Beaver wrote:
I took a look around and discovered that there had been an extension
installed called Lightning.This was the Calendar/Schedule extension for
Thunderbird, from way, way back. If you don't use that functionality,
then

removing it is a good idea.

I've had consistent behavior out of the Quick Folder Key Navigation
extension for years now.

--


Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363

A gentleman is one who never hurts anyone's feelings unintentionally.

~ Oscar Wilde














Re: issues with quick nav of thunderbird and NVDA

Don H
 

One thing that thunderbird 78 has is a calendar that is not a addon as it has been.  Is there a way to disable the calendar?

On 8/12/2020 1:45 PM, Gene wrote:
In that case, upgrading may be a good idea.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Hareth
Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2020 1:25 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] issues with quick nav of thunderbird and NVDA

No,
The quick key folder navigation does work fine with thunderbird 78.
plus they added some long waited feature "minimize to tray' to TB options
And the options setting interface  has become a lot easier to deal with. .
SS

On 8/12/20, Gene <gsasner@gmail.com> wrote:
It should be noted that when you get to version 78.x, which isn't available

through the program update yet, but its coming at some point, that the quick

navigation add-on will no longer work, nor will the other add-on that adds
functionality.  I might be able to find out its name.  Its something like
Mozilla enhancements.  I've said before that if people only use Thunderbird

for e-mail, I think updating is a bad idea.  If you use other features, it
might make sense to do so.

Also, the Lightning add-on is no longer used in 78.X.  The calendar function

is built into the program.  I don't know if it can be disabled but those are

changes people who just let the program update should be aware of.  If it
can't be disabled, that might be another reason for not letting the program

update.  These topics need more discussion.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2020 12:00 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] issues with quick nav of thunderbird and NVDA

On Wed, Aug 12, 2020 at 08:50 AM, Dan Beaver wrote:
I took a look around and discovered that there had been an extension
installed called Lightning.This was the Calendar/Schedule extension for
Thunderbird, from way, way back.   If you don't use that functionality, then

removing it is a good idea.

I've had consistent behavior out of the Quick Folder Key Navigation
extension for years now.

--


Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363

A gentleman is one who never hurts anyone's feelings unintentionally.

          ~ Oscar Wilde













Re: issues with quick nav of thunderbird and NVDA

Gene
 

In that case, upgrading may be a good idea.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Hareth
Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2020 1:25 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] issues with quick nav of thunderbird and NVDA

No,
The quick key folder navigation does work fine with thunderbird 78.
plus they added some long waited feature "minimize to tray' to TB options
And the options setting interface has become a lot easier to deal with. .
SS

On 8/12/20, Gene <gsasner@gmail.com> wrote:
It should be noted that when you get to version 78.x, which isn't available

through the program update yet, but its coming at some point, that the quick

navigation add-on will no longer work, nor will the other add-on that adds
functionality. I might be able to find out its name. Its something like
Mozilla enhancements. I've said before that if people only use Thunderbird

for e-mail, I think updating is a bad idea. If you use other features, it
might make sense to do so.

Also, the Lightning add-on is no longer used in 78.X. The calendar function

is built into the program. I don't know if it can be disabled but those are

changes people who just let the program update should be aware of. If it
can't be disabled, that might be another reason for not letting the program

update. These topics need more discussion.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2020 12:00 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] issues with quick nav of thunderbird and NVDA

On Wed, Aug 12, 2020 at 08:50 AM, Dan Beaver wrote:
I took a look around and discovered that there had been an extension
installed called Lightning.This was the Calendar/Schedule extension for
Thunderbird, from way, way back. If you don't use that functionality, then

removing it is a good idea.

I've had consistent behavior out of the Quick Folder Key Navigation
extension for years now.

--


Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363

A gentleman is one who never hurts anyone's feelings unintentionally.

~ Oscar Wilde









Re: Thunderbird quick key folder nav extension

Hareth
 

I've used the thunderbird 78 own addons browser to install it.
It doesn't show on the internet browsers the way it appears with the
thunderbird own browser.
Hope that helps.
SS

On 8/12/20, Don H <lmddh50@adams.net> wrote:
When I looked for addons for version 78 the quick key nav was not a
option to install.

On 8/12/2020 1:18 PM, Hareth wrote:
Hi,
For a few days now Quick Folder Key Navigation extension works even
with the latest thunderbird 78 release.
Plus worth saying here that the long waited for "minimize to tray"
feature has been added to Thunderbird 78 as well.
You can find it in the thunderbird options.
SS
On 8/12/20, Brian Vogel <britechguy@gmail.com> wrote:
Here's a first, at least for me. I went in to Tbird extensions to see
which
ones I have installed after someone mentioned Lightning on a separate
topic. Quick Folder Key Navigation is another of the extensions I have
installed.

After jumping over to my web browser for a couple of minutes, I noticed
a
T-bird window with the title, "Loading...," had shown up, which I'd
never
seen before, and its content is about Quick Folder Key Navigation. It
reads: The add-on has been updated to make it compatible with
Thunderbird
version 69.0 and later. It continues to be compatible with Thunderbird
68.0.
Note that the "Enable key navigation" item for toggling key navigation
on
and off in the folder tree that used to be added to the "Go" menu has
been
moved to the context menu of the folder tree. The only button is Close.

--

Brian *-* Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363

A gentleman is one who never hurts anyone's feelings unintentionally.

~ Oscar Wilde








Re: Thunderbird quick key folder nav extension

Don H
 

When I looked for addons for version 78 the quick key nav was not a option to install.

On 8/12/2020 1:18 PM, Hareth wrote:
Hi,
For a few days now Quick Folder Key Navigation extension works even
with the latest thunderbird 78 release.
Plus worth saying here that the long waited for "minimize to tray"
feature has been added to Thunderbird 78 as well.
You can find it in the thunderbird options.
SS
On 8/12/20, Brian Vogel <britechguy@gmail.com> wrote:
Here's a first, at least for me. I went in to Tbird extensions to see which
ones I have installed after someone mentioned Lightning on a separate
topic. Quick Folder Key Navigation is another of the extensions I have
installed.

After jumping over to my web browser for a couple of minutes, I noticed a
T-bird window with the title, "Loading...," had shown up, which I'd never
seen before, and its content is about Quick Folder Key Navigation. It
reads: The add-on has been updated to make it compatible with Thunderbird
version 69.0 and later. It continues to be compatible with Thunderbird 68.0.
Note that the "Enable key navigation" item for toggling key navigation on
and off in the folder tree that used to be added to the "Go" menu has been
moved to the context menu of the folder tree. The only button is Close.

--

Brian *-* Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363

A gentleman is one who never hurts anyone's feelings unintentionally.

~ Oscar Wilde




Re: issues with quick nav of thunderbird and NVDA

Hareth
 

No,
The quick key folder navigation does work fine with thunderbird 78.
plus they added some long waited feature "minimize to tray' to TB options
And the options setting interface has become a lot easier to deal with. .
SS

On 8/12/20, Gene <gsasner@gmail.com> wrote:
It should be noted that when you get to version 78.x, which isn't available

through the program update yet, but its coming at some point, that the quick

navigation add-on will no longer work, nor will the other add-on that adds
functionality. I might be able to find out its name. Its something like
Mozilla enhancements. I've said before that if people only use Thunderbird

for e-mail, I think updating is a bad idea. If you use other features, it
might make sense to do so.

Also, the Lightning add-on is no longer used in 78.X. The calendar function

is built into the program. I don't know if it can be disabled but those are

changes people who just let the program update should be aware of. If it
can't be disabled, that might be another reason for not letting the program

update. These topics need more discussion.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2020 12:00 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] issues with quick nav of thunderbird and NVDA

On Wed, Aug 12, 2020 at 08:50 AM, Dan Beaver wrote:
I took a look around and discovered that there had been an extension
installed called Lightning.This was the Calendar/Schedule extension for
Thunderbird, from way, way back. If you don't use that functionality, then

removing it is a good idea.

I've had consistent behavior out of the Quick Folder Key Navigation
extension for years now.

--


Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363

A gentleman is one who never hurts anyone's feelings unintentionally.

~ Oscar Wilde









Re: Thunderbird quick key folder nav extension

Hareth
 

Hi,
For a few days now Quick Folder Key Navigation extension works even
with the latest thunderbird 78 release.
Plus worth saying here that the long waited for "minimize to tray"
feature has been added to Thunderbird 78 as well.
You can find it in the thunderbird options.
SS

On 8/12/20, Brian Vogel <britechguy@gmail.com> wrote:
Here's a first, at least for me. I went in to Tbird extensions to see which
ones I have installed after someone mentioned Lightning on a separate
topic. Quick Folder Key Navigation is another of the extensions I have
installed.

After jumping over to my web browser for a couple of minutes, I noticed a
T-bird window with the title, "Loading...," had shown up, which I'd never
seen before, and its content is about Quick Folder Key Navigation. It
reads: The add-on has been updated to make it compatible with Thunderbird
version 69.0 and later. It continues to be compatible with Thunderbird 68.0.
Note that the "Enable key navigation" item for toggling key navigation on
and off in the folder tree that used to be added to the "Go" menu has been
moved to the context menu of the folder tree. The only button is Close.

--

Brian *-* Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363

A gentleman is one who never hurts anyone's feelings unintentionally.

~ Oscar Wilde




Re: Thunderbird quick key folder nav extension

Gene
 

Since the Quick Keys navigation add-on updated, perhaps the hnew version works with version 78.x. That may no longer be a problem. But I don't know if 78.x introduced more changes that cause the add-on not to be compatible.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2020 12:11 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Thunderbird quick key folder nav extension

Here's a first, at least for me. I went in to Tbird extensions to see which ones I have installed after someone mentioned Lightning on a separate topic. Quick Folder Key Navigation is another of the extensions I have installed.

After jumping over to my web browser for a couple of minutes, I noticed a T-bird window with the title, "Loading...," had shown up, which I'd never seen before, and its content is about Quick Folder Key Navigation. It reads: The add-on has been updated to make it compatible with Thunderbird version 69.0 and later. It continues to be compatible with Thunderbird 68.0. Note that the "Enable key navigation" item for toggling key navigation on and off in the folder tree that used to be added to the "Go" menu has been moved to the context menu of the folder tree. The only button is Close.

--


Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363

A gentleman is one who never hurts anyone's feelings unintentionally.

~ Oscar Wilde


Re: issues with quick nav of thunderbird and NVDA

Gene
 

It should be noted that when you get to version 78.x, which isn't available through the program update yet, but its coming at some point, that the quick navigation add-on will no longer work, nor will the other add-on that adds functionality. I might be able to find out its name. Its something like Mozilla enhancements. I've said before that if people only use Thunderbird for e-mail, I think updating is a bad idea. If you use other features, it might make sense to do so.

Also, the Lightning add-on is no longer used in 78.X. The calendar function is built into the program. I don't know if it can be disabled but those are changes people who just let the program update should be aware of. If it can't be disabled, that might be another reason for not letting the program update. These topics need more discussion.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2020 12:00 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] issues with quick nav of thunderbird and NVDA

On Wed, Aug 12, 2020 at 08:50 AM, Dan Beaver wrote:
I took a look around and discovered that there had been an extension installed called Lightning.This was the Calendar/Schedule extension for Thunderbird, from way, way back. If you don't use that functionality, then removing it is a good idea.

I've had consistent behavior out of the Quick Folder Key Navigation extension for years now.

--


Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363

A gentleman is one who never hurts anyone's feelings unintentionally.

~ Oscar Wilde


Re: Thunderbird quick key folder nav extension

 

Here's a first, at least for me.  I went in to Tbird extensions to see which ones I have installed after someone mentioned Lightning on a separate topic.  Quick Folder Key Navigation is another of the extensions I have installed.

After jumping over to my web browser for a couple of minutes, I noticed a T-bird window with the title, "Loading...," had shown up, which I'd never seen before, and its content is about Quick Folder Key Navigation.  It reads:  The add-on has been updated to make it compatible with Thunderbird version 69.0 and later. It continues to be compatible with Thunderbird 68.0. Note that the "Enable key navigation" item for toggling key navigation on and off in the folder tree that used to be added to the "Go" menu has been moved to the context menu of the folder tree.  The only button is Close.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

A gentleman is one who never hurts anyone's feelings unintentionally.

          ~ Oscar Wilde

 


Re: issues with quick nav of thunderbird and NVDA

 

On Wed, Aug 12, 2020 at 08:50 AM, Dan Beaver wrote:
I took a look around and discovered that there had been an extension installed called Lightning.
This was the Calendar/Schedule extension for Thunderbird, from way, way back.   If you don't use that functionality, then removing it is a good idea.

I've had consistent behavior out of the Quick Folder Key Navigation extension for years now.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

A gentleman is one who never hurts anyone's feelings unintentionally.

          ~ Oscar Wilde

 


Re: NVDA remote access and usage

Don Risavy, Jr.
 

Thanks for the info as will look it over later today or tonight to see what was doing wrong as was using two different computers one my desktop and one my laptop both have the latest nvda installed and the remote add in installed too.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of zahra
Sent: August 12, 2020 10:25 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA remote access and usage

hello nvda remote user guide from
nvdaremote.com
website.

NVDA Remote Access
Version 2.2
Welcome to the NVDA Remote Access addon, which will allow you to connect to another computer running the free NVDA screen reader. It makes no difference whether you are across the room or across the world. Connecting is simple, and there are very few commands to remember. You can connect to another person's computer, or allow a trusted person to connect to your system to perform routine maintenance, diagnose a problem, or provide training.
Before You Begin
You will need to have installed NVDA on both computers, and obtain the NVDA Remote Access addon. The installation of both NVDA and the Remote Access addon are standard. If you need more information, this can be found in NVDA's User Guide.
Updating
When updating the addon, if you have installed NVDA Remote on the secure desktop, it is recommended that you also update the copy on the secure desktop. To do this, first update your existing addon. Then open the NVDA menu, preferences, General settings, and press the button labeled "Use currently saved settings on the logon and other secure screens (requires administrator privileges)".
Starting a remote session through a relay server On the computer to be controlled 1. Open the NVDA menu, Tools, Remote, Connect.
2. Choose client in the first radio button.
3. Select Allow this machine to be controlled in the second set of radio buttons.
4. In the host field, enter the host of the server you are connecting to, for example nvdaremote.com. When the particular server uses an alternative port, you can enter the host in the form <host>:<port>, for example nvdaremote.com:1234.
5. Enter a key into the key field, or press the generate key button.
The key is what others will use to control your computer. The machine being controlled and all its clients need to use the same key.
6. Press ok. Once done, you will hear a tone and connected.
On the machine that is to be the controlling computer 1. Open the NVDA menu, Tools, Remote, Connect.
2. Choose client in the first radio button.
3. Select Control another machine in the second set of radio buttons.
4. In the host field, enter the host of the server you are connecting to, for example nvdaremote.com. When the particular server uses an alternative port, you can enter the host in the form <host>:<port>, for example nvdaremote.com:1234.
5. Enter a key into the key field, or press the generate key button.
The machine being controlled and all its clients need to use the same key.
6. Press ok. Once done, you will hear a tone and connected.
Direct connections
The server option in the connect dialog allows you to set up a direct connection. Once selecting this, select which mode your end of the connection wwill be in. The other pperson will connect to you using the opposite.
Once the mode is selected, you can use the Get External IP button to get your external IP address and make sure the port which is entered in the port field is forwarded correctly. If portcheck detects that your port (6837 by default) is not reachable, a warning will appear.
Forward your port and try again. Note: The process for forwarding ports is outside of the scope of this document. Please consult the information provided with your router for further instruction.
Enter a key into the key field, or press generate. The other person will need your external IP along with the key to connect. If you entered a port other than the default (6837) in the port field, make sure that the other person appends the alternative port to the host address in the form <external ip>:<port>.
Once ok is pressed, you will be connected. When the other person connects, you can use NVDA Remote normally.
Controlling the remote machine
Once the session is connected, the user of the controlling machine can press f11 to start controlling the remote machine (e.g. by sending keyboard keys or braille input). When NVDA says controlling remote machine, the keyboard and braille display keys you press will go to the remote machine. Furthermore, when the controlling machine is using a braille display, information from the remote machine will be displayed on it. Press f11 again to stop sending keys and switch back to the controlling machine. For best compatibility, please ensure that the keyboard layouts on both machines match.
Sharing your session
To share a link so someone else can easily join your NVDA REMOTE session, select Copy Link from the Remote menu. IF you are connected as the controlling computer, this link will allow someone else to connect and be controlled. If instead you have set up your computer to be controlled, the link will allow people who you share it with to control your machine. Many applications will allow users to activate this link automatically, but if it does not run from within a specific app, it can be coppied to the clipboard and run from the run dialog.
Send Ctrl+Alt+Del
While sending keys, it is not possible to send the CTRL+Alt+del combination normally. If you need to send CTRL+Alt+del, and the remote system is on the secure desktop, use this command.
Remotely Controlling an Unattended Computer Sometimes, you may wish to control one of your own computers remotely.
This is especially helpful if you are traveling, and you wish to control your home PC from your laptop. Or, you may want to control a computer in one room of your house while sitting outside with another PC. A little advanced preparation makes this convenient and possible.
1. Enter the NVDA menu, and choose Tools, then Remote. Finally, press Enter on Options.
2. Check the box that says, "Auto connect to control server on startup".
3. Select whether to use a remote relay server or to locally host the connection.
4. Select Allow this machine to be controlled in the second set of radio buttons.
5. If you host the connection yourself, you will need to ensure that the port entered in the port field (6837 by default) on the controlled machine can be accessed from the controlling machines.
6. If you wish to use a relay server, Fill in both the Host and Key fields, tab to OK, and press Enter. The Generate Key option is not available in this situation. It is best to come up with a key you will remember so you can easily use it from any remote location.
For advanced use, you can also configure NVDA Remote to automatically connect to a local or remote relay server in controlling mode. If you want this, select Control another machine in the second set of radio buttons.
Note: The autoconnect at startup-related options in the options dialog do not apply until NVDA is restarted.
Muting Speech on the Remote Computer
If you do not wish to hear the remote computer's speech or NVDA specific sounds, simply access the NVDA menu, Tools, and Remote. Arrow down to Mute Remote, and press Enter. Please note that this option will not disable remote braille output to the controlling display when the controlling machine is sending keys.
Ending a remote Session
To end a remote session, do the following:
1.
On the controlling computer, press F11 to stop controlling the remote machine. You should hear or read the message: "Controlling local machine." If you instead hear or read a message that you are controlling the remote machine, press F11 once more.
2.
Access the NVDA menu, then Tools, Remote, and press Enter on Disconnect.
Push clipboard
The Push clipboard option in the remote menu allows you to push text from your clipboard. when activated, any text on the clipboard will be pushed to the other machines.
Configuring NVDA Remote to Work on a Secure Desktop In order for NVDA Remote to work on the secure desktop, the addon must be installed in the NVDA running on the secure desktop.
1.
From the NVDA menu, select Preferences, then General Settings.
2.
Tab to the Use Currently Saved Settings on the Logon and Other Secure Screens (requires administrator privileges) button, and press Enter.
3.
Answer Yes to the prompts regarding copying your settings and about copying plugins, and respond to the User Account Control prompt that may appear.
4. When settings are copied, press Enter to dismiss the OK button. Tab to OK and Enter once more to exit the dialog.
Once NVDA Remote is installed on the secure desktop, if you are currently being controlled in a remote session, you will have speech and braille access to the secure desktop when switched to.

On 8/12/20, Don Risavy, Jr. <donaldrisavy@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello,

Was wondering if there was a easier method for using the remote plug
in for NVDA as what saw and or tried to use was extremely aggravating,
challenging and frustrating trying to figure out how to use the plug
in for accessing other computers that are using and have nvda installed.

Thanks.

Don









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