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Re: multiple instances of NVDA
Luke Davis
On Fri, 21 Aug 2020, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Interesting, I regularly restart NVDA and I don't recall ever seeing it from that. Do you have any add-ons?Several. Nothing particularly unusual though. W10 App Essentials, Add-on Updater, Speech History, Bluetooth Audio, Add-on Documentation, Remote, Classic Selection, debugHelper, Dropbox, Easy Table Nav, Mozilla Apps Enhancements, Notepad++, Outlook Extended, Object Detection, Synth Ring Settings Selector, Virtual Review. Also, while I run into this literally a few times per week, I have been unable to repro it on latest alpha yet. Of course, now that I said it happens all the time, it isn't happening today. Hopefully someone else will come up with a log. Luke
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Re: multiple instances of NVDA
Quentin Christensen
Interesting, I regularly restart NVDA and I don't recall ever seeing it from that. Do you have any add-ons?
On Fri, Aug 21, 2020 at 4:35 PM Luke Davis <luke@...> wrote: On Fri, 21 Aug 2020, Quentin Christensen wrote: --
Quentin Christensen Training and Support Manager Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/ Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/ User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess Twitter: @NVAccess
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Re: multiple instances of NVDA
Luke Davis
On Fri, 21 Aug 2020, Quentin Christensen wrote:
This is generally caused by something closing NVDA unexpectedly, such as it crashing, or if you go to task manager and "End task" it. I haven't seen itI'll get you one, but I must say that I have rarely NOT had this happen when doing an NVDA restart. It is just the way of things. Since it happens on all of my systems, I assumed it was an error with slave or helper, and couldn't be avoided. Luke
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Re: I greet thee with a bug report
Gene
It may be that sending a log to those who have the technical knowledge to understand it might give an answer. I'll let those who know about the way to have the log contain the information you want and set the log to the correct level discuss the matter further.
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Aside from that, if the log doesn't give a good answer you can implement, do you have system restore points? Can you run one from before the problem started? Sometimes, that's the best way to solve an obscure problem which might take a lot of time and effort to solve. Gene
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From: Brandon Cole Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2020 5:51 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] I greet thee with a bug report Thanks for this suggestion, but sadly it did not work. I ran the tool, restarted the whole system, and still have the same issue. Bah, I say. Bah. From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of hurrikennyandopo ... Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2020 6:23 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] I greet thee with a bug report Hi Try the following first it is found under the tools then the menu you want is called Run COM Registration Fixing tool... Then follow the directions. If you do not know how many times to get to those menus do the following if not spoken out. nvda key + letter N to bring up the preferences menu then arrow down2 times this will put you on the tools menu there is a sub menuthen use the right arrow key to open the sub menu then arrow down 7 times this will put you on the com registration menu then press the enter key.. hopefully that fixes the problem for you. You might have to also reboot the pc for it to come right. Gene nz On 21/08/2020 9:46 am, Brandon Cole wrote: Greetings, I come seeking assistance with an NVDA bug that has recently sprung up. For some reason, NVDA will no longer read any of its own dialogs. The NVDA menu, the quit NVDA dialog, and so on. Furthermore, these dialogs no longer seem to have titles at all, let alone much content in them. Running NVDA whilst also running Jaws just to be sure showed me this. When bringing up the NVDA menu, NVDA said nothing at all, but even Jaws only said “submenu, submenu, submenu” as I browsed through the items. What’s more, anything that had an associated hot key didn’t seem to have one. Instead of saying Alt Plus T or Alt Plus B for example, what I heard was “Alt Plus…” And then simply nothing. I even uninstalled NVDA and reinstalled it, only to discover the issue persisted even during the reinstallation. It is a very disconcerting bug, and I am desperately hoping someone else has heard of this before. Thanks for any help you can provide. One final note for whatever it’s worth, this bug only seems to affect NVDA. Jaws is just fine. Thanks all!
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Re: lion universal subtitle reader and more NVDA addon
abdul muhamin
I hope you will find the solution soon, try this addon, I’m bet you can do it more better then this
Sent from Mail for Windows 10
From: Joseph Lee
Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2020 10:09 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] lion universal subtitle reader and more NVDA addon
Hi, Suffice to say that someone (not me) is researching this possibility at the moment. Cheers, Joseph
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of abdul muhamin
Hi, I’m using this addon on win10 with the latest NVDA, the best thing of this addon is to read the subtitles and on screen text automatically. If possible, please add this functionality to NVDA core, so that it can be used with Win10 ocr.
Sent from Mail for Windows 10
From: Joseph Lee
Hello everyone, I took a look at this add-on, and I'm afraid this one isn't really compatible with recent NVDA releases and other issues were found (no wonder it is labeled a "beta" at this time). Specifically: * OCR engine: it uses OCR engine found in Windows 10. Therefore unless you are using Windows 10, you won't be able to use this add-on at all (you can configure things, but the thing that enables this add-on is missing on older Windows releases). * It uses code fragments that are no longer supported in newer NVDA dependencies (specifically, wxPython). Thanks. Cheers, Joseph
-----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Vaibhav Bhandari Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2020 8:17 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] lion subtitle reader and more addon
Hi, You can download the addon from the link given below- https://blindieconnect.net/files/lion-latest.nvda-addon
On 8/19/20, Aravind R <aravind.andhrabank@...> wrote: > add on link is not pasted boss. > > On 19/08/2020, Josh Kennedy <joshknnd1982@...> wrote: >> Hi, >> Here pasted below is the lion subtitle reader and more documentation. >> My question though is, what is the very first combo box used for in >> lion settings never mind I figured it out it changes how often OCR is >> performed. >> >> What is it >> LION is an addon which does Automatic OCr of certain screen portions, >> at a certain interval. Why do I say that it is intelligent? No, not >> because I've written it, nor because the "i" makes for a nice >> acronym. Since it does OCR of the same screen portion multiple times, >> normally it would read the same text multiple times, which is not >> very nice. So, I implemented a mechanism to skip speaking of the text >> if it seems similar to the previously recognised text. >> What can I do with it? >> The main reason I wrote it was to read subtitles. Due to the way it >> works, it can read any subtitles on the screen, including Youtube, >> Netflix and other online video sites, subtitles embedded in AVI >> files, and even live tV! >> Make sure to set the video to full screen when using it, as it works >> like sighted eyes do. It needs big text for better performance. The >> quality won't be perfect, try to set the font of the subtitles as >> large as possible, if you have the option, and use a high resolution >> screen. The OCR engine it uses is not perfect. It may have inferior >> results on certain images. >> Other than that, It can be used to monitor any inaccessible text on >> the screen, like video game menus. It won't tell you highlighted >> text, unfortunately. >> How do I use it? >> To launch it with default options, just press NVDA+alt+l. LION will >> start OCR of the whole screen at a 1 second interval, speaking only >> when the text changes. Hopefully. :) If you want to customize its >> behaviour, go to the NVDA Menu, Preferences, LION settings. For >> example, a video file might have a logo in the upper left corner that >> gets read along with the subtitle, and disrupts the experience. We'll >> see how to fix this in the next section. >> LION has the following settings: >> 1. OCR interval: how often the program does OCR. Takes values from >> 0.1 second to 10 seconds. >> 2. OCR target: specifies the screen portion to OCR. Options are: >> current control, current window, navigator object, and full screen 3. >> Crop pixels from above, below, right, left. In full screen mode, >> those four fields allow you to crop sections from the screen from >> being scanned. >> Those settings work only in full screen and current window modes. >> Why is this setting useful? Let's remember the logo example above. >> Just crop 10% or so from above to skip the logo, and you won't hear >> it. Actually, to make the recognition faster and less resource >> intensive, you can crop like 70% from above, since subtitles are >> usually found in the lower third of the screen. >> what's new >> version 1.11 >> Fixed a bug, mainly observed in youtube fullscreen. >> version 1.1 >> 1. the crop settings affect the current window mode, too 2. >> implemented a similarity threshold setting, mainlly useful in games. >> LION >> always compares the current text with the one which has been spoken >> previously. If it thinks the text hasn't changed, it doesn't speak. >> This setting controls how aggressive LION is in comparing texts. 0 >> means all texts are identical, practically rendering the addon >> unusable. 1 will read all texts, even if they are the same. The >> default is 0.5. >> version 1.0 >> initial version >> Who wrote this, how often will I see updates? >> My name is Stefan Moisei, a blind programmer trying to survive in an >> East European country, Romania, who has a lot to catch up to get to >> an occidental level. LION, and other blind specific software are just >> a hobby for me, developed in my spare time. So, I'm afraid updates >> won't come too often. >> But >> if you can code, this is NVDA, so the source is right there. :) >> >> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >> >> >> >> >> > > > -- > > > -- > -- > nothing is difficult unless you make it appear so. > > r. aravind, > > manager > Department of sales > bank of baroda specialised mortgage store, Chennai. > mobile no: +91 9940369593, > email id : aravind_069@..., aravind.andhrabank@.... > > > >
-- Thanks/regards: Vaibhav Bhandari
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Re: I greet thee with a bug report
Brandon Cole <Superblindman01@...>
Holy cow, this worked! The language was set to NE! Of all the silly little… Hahaha, thanks very much! That said, I also want to report that I ran the SFC scan, and it actually did find and fix some corrupted files, so thanks for that. I will keep that one in my troubleshooting back pocket. I was just about to hop on and report that the SFC fix did not fix NVDA when I saw this new suggestion, tried it, and low and behold, it worked. Hahahahaha. Thanks again all!
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2020 7:07 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] I greet thee with a bug report
Hi, I think I know exactly what could have happened: if a system restart nor NVDA restart didn’t fix the problem and if this only affects NVDA interface, chances are that somehow NVDA’s interface language was set to a language you may not have heard of. To verify, either:
Cheers, Joseph
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Were I you, I'd try uninstalling NVDA first. Then following these instructions: Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041 A gentleman is one who never hurts anyone's feelings unintentionally. ~ Oscar Wilde
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Re: I greet thee with a bug report
On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 07:06 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
that somehow NVDA’s interface language was set to a language you may not have heard of.If this turns out to be the case, and it turns out that editing the nvda.ini file is necessary, I'd be very curious to know that the "language =" line read before being edited to "language = Windows". -- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041 A gentleman is one who never hurts anyone's feelings unintentionally. ~ Oscar Wilde
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Re: I greet thee with a bug report
Hi, I think I know exactly what could have happened: if a system restart nor NVDA restart didn’t fix the problem and if this only affects NVDA interface, chances are that somehow NVDA’s interface language was set to a language you may not have heard of. To verify, either:
Cheers, Joseph
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2020 3:56 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] I greet thee with a bug report
Were I you, I'd try uninstalling NVDA first. Then following these instructions: Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041 A gentleman is one who never hurts anyone's feelings unintentionally. ~ Oscar Wilde
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Re: I greet thee with a bug report
Brandon Cole <Superblindman01@...>
I am running windows 10, build 19041.450
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2020 7:00 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] I greet thee with a bug report
In this case, even if SFC comes back clean when run initially, still follow it up with a run of DISM as well. Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041 A gentleman is one who never hurts anyone's feelings unintentionally. ~ Oscar Wilde
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Re: multiple instances of NVDA
Quentin Christensen
This is generally caused by something closing NVDA unexpectedly, such as it crashing, or if you go to task manager and "End task" it. I haven't seen it when restarting or updating add-ons. I wonder if it is a particular add-on which is not letting NVDA shut down cleanly? If anyone replicates this, ideally with the log set to debug level, I'd be interested in your nvda-old.log file (the one from when NVDA didn't shut down properly). If it's something in NVDA itself, then we definitely want to address it. If it's something in an add-on then we can let the author know as well. Quentin.
On Fri, Aug 21, 2020 at 8:47 AM Jim Pipczak <jim.pipczak@...> wrote: Hi, --
Quentin Christensen Training and Support Manager Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/ Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/ User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess Twitter: @NVAccess
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Re: I greet thee with a bug report
In this case, even if SFC comes back clean when run initially, still follow it up with a run of DISM as well.
Also, what Windows are you running, version and build? -- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041 A gentleman is one who never hurts anyone's feelings unintentionally. ~ Oscar Wilde
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Re: I greet thee with a bug report
Brandon Cole <Superblindman01@...>
OK, thanks. I’ll give that a shot as well.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2020 6:56 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] I greet thee with a bug report
Were I you, I'd try uninstalling NVDA first. Then following these instructions: Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041 A gentleman is one who never hurts anyone's feelings unintentionally. ~ Oscar Wilde
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Re: I greet thee with a bug report
Were I you, I'd try uninstalling NVDA first. Then following these instructions:
Using SFC (System File Checker) and DISM (Deployment Imaging Servicing and Management) to Repair Windows 8 & 10 Then restarting the machine again prior to doing a reinstall on NVDA. -- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041 A gentleman is one who never hurts anyone's feelings unintentionally. ~ Oscar Wilde
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Re: I greet thee with a bug report
Brandon Cole <Superblindman01@...>
Thanks for this suggestion, but sadly it did not work. I ran the tool, restarted the whole system, and still have the same issue. Bah, I say. Bah.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of hurrikennyandopo ...
Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2020 6:23 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] I greet thee with a bug report
Hi
Try the following first it is found under the tools then the menu you want is called Run COM Registration Fixing tool... Then follow the directions.
If you do not know how many times to get to those menus do the following if not spoken out.
nvda key + letter N to bring up the preferences menu then arrow down2 times this will put you on the tools menu there is a sub menuthen use the right arrow key to open the sub menu then arrow down 7 times this will put you on the com registration menu then press the enter key..
hopefully that fixes the problem for you. You might have to also reboot the pc for it to come right.
Gene nz
On 21/08/2020 9:46 am, Brandon Cole wrote:
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Re: multiple instances of NVDA
Jim Pipczak
Hi,
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Try using tskill to remove NVDA out of memory to see if it works. Press Windows r to get the run dialogue box and then type, tskill NVDA and press the enter key. Thanks, Jim
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Don H Sent: Friday, 21 August 2020 7:22 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: [nvda] multiple instances of NVDA It seems that if you close NVDA or restart it you will get multiple instances of NVDA in the system tray. Right now I have four NVDA listings in my system tray. Jim Pipczak Access Technology Service Development Lead Client Services Vision Australia 14 & 17 Barrett Street Kensington VIC 3031 M: +614 3375 7598 T: +613 8378 1243 (I: 344243) E: Jim.Pipczak@visionaustralia.org www.visionaustralia.org Vision Australia is committed to supporting the blind and low vision community through COVID-19. Find out about our response and free support resources online at www.visionaustralia.org/COVID19. [Vision Australia. Blindness. Low Vision. Opportunity. - logo] [Vision Australia. Winner of the Australian HR Award for Best Workplace Diversity and Inclusion Program. - logo] Vision Australia acknowledges Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people as the traditional custodians of the land on which we operate. We have an inclusive culture and value diversity and all abilities.
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Re: in this group is my 1st mail
Quentin Christensen
We're here :) Welcome, and do please let us know if there's anything we can help with. Quentin.
On Fri, Aug 21, 2020 at 3:10 AM ( NAJAF . Naqvi ) <najafnaqvi471@...> wrote:
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Re: I greet thee with a bug report
Hi. Yeah, I get this sometimes usually on system startup. nvda control n will not work, menu up but not read hit it again, menu will go away but no read. Fix, wait for a bit and it will fix itself or click nvda icon in the tray then it read then the keys work again. Crash on brousers and half of it freezes. If you restart nvda it will be fine, it will log a freeze though. notification tree going unknown. Restart windows. Usually its a crash where another program has exited then crashed and not exited properly. Not sure how to get all this to work right but nvda has been at least a lot better with the last 2. But put the system under stress and yeah it can happen. Remember that when nvda starts, don't immediately do something especially after a windows startup as the system may not be fully booted. Even with my flash ssd systems I have not everything is running and some stuff may take time to pop up.
On 21/08/2020 9:46 am, Brandon Cole
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Re: I greet thee with a bug report
hurrikennyandopo ...
Hi
Try the following first it is found under the tools then the menu you want is called Run COM Registration Fixing tool... Then follow the directions.
If you do not know how many times to get to those menus do the following if not spoken out.
nvda key + letter N to bring up the preferences menu then arrow down2 times this will put you on the tools menu there is a sub menuthen use the right arrow key to open the sub menu then arrow down 7 times this will put you on the com registration menu then press the enter key..
hopefully that fixes the problem for you. You might have to also reboot the pc for it to come right.
Gene nz
On 21/08/2020 9:46 am, Brandon Cole
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Re: multiple instances of NVDA
I get this behavior not infrequently. They usually clean themselves up over time, but if you try to activate any of the ones that are "ghost icons" they disappear and do nothing. There's only ever been one actual running instance of NVDA.
-- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041 A gentleman is one who never hurts anyone's feelings unintentionally. ~ Oscar Wilde
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I greet thee with a bug report
Brandon Cole <Superblindman01@...>
Greetings, I come seeking assistance with an NVDA bug that has recently sprung up. For some reason, NVDA will no longer read any of its own dialogs. The NVDA menu, the quit NVDA dialog, and so on. Furthermore, these dialogs no longer seem to have titles at all, let alone much content in them. Running NVDA whilst also running Jaws just to be sure showed me this. When bringing up the NVDA menu, NVDA said nothing at all, but even Jaws only said “submenu, submenu, submenu” as I browsed through the items. What’s more, anything that had an associated hot key didn’t seem to have one. Instead of saying Alt Plus T or Alt Plus B for example, what I heard was “Alt Plus…” And then simply nothing. I even uninstalled NVDA and reinstalled it, only to discover the issue persisted even during the reinstallation. It is a very disconcerting bug, and I am desperately hoping someone else has heard of this before. Thanks for any help you can provide. One final note for whatever it’s worth, this bug only seems to affect NVDA. Jaws is just fine. Thanks all!
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