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Regarding the using Active STar with NVDA

Cristina Ebetiuc
 

Hi

How can I Access the Settings of the Braille Display Active star from Handytech? I have installed he undiversal Driver and also coppied the necessary braile-driver-files from the NVDA Version which they gave me in their start pagage stick. The combination between the keys   1 and 8. Does not work. I also can’t update the Firmware of he Display. Is there any addon which can solve that?

I am Looking foreward for your solution.

Greetings  

 

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Re: Accessible note taking apps

 

does evernote support screen reader?
does it work on windows xp?
i need a program which i can write, or copy peist and have important
informations.

On 8/23/20, Sean <s.tolstoyevski@gmail.com> wrote:
Submitted answers for writing plaintext / code / IDE.

So yes, the built-in Notepad can be used to take notes.
You may have created a good note-taking environment when you divide the
topics into different folders.

But people don't take notes that way. And this is not a portable method.

You are reading an article on any website. You want to save the article
somewhere. Perhaps there are sentences to underline.
Nothing on the web is likely to stay the way you first found it. Some
contents die. And those contents can be very important.

This is why people use applications such as OneNote and Evernote.

You can tag notes in those applications, you can save websites content ,
and you can connect between notes...

These features are not what notepad supports.

And most of these apps also have a mobile app.
This way, people can take new notes, update, delete, etc., even while on
the go.

If you know of such an application, please let me know.
If there is still no note-taking application available, I'll write it in
Golang.
I can not believe this. Maybe I've tested 10 apps and none of them are
compatible with screen readers. We are in the 21st century. It's so scary.

On 23/08/2020 17:31, Akash Kakkar wrote:
Bro, what about accessibility? are they reasonably accessible?

On 8/23/2020 6:35 PM, Hope Williamson wrote:
Hi, I use a service for saving links, which sounds like what your
wanting to do, so you can go back and read them whenever you need to
remember them. I use https://linklocker.co, but there are plenty of
other services like this out there, such as https://pinboard.in.

These are web-based services, but they both work extremely well.
I've had success with using both of them at times.




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Re: Accessible note taking apps

Sean
 

No, now I going test :) . Thanks.


On 23/08/2020 22:02, Greg Wocher wrote:
Hello,
Have you tried Google Keep? It use to be accessible but I am not sure now. I have not looked at it in a while.

Greg Wocher


On Aug 23, 2020, at 2:09 PM, Sean <s.tolstoyevski@...> wrote:

Submitted answers for writing plaintext / code / IDE.

So yes, the built-in Notepad can be used to take notes.
You may have created a good note-taking environment when you divide the topics into different folders.

But people don't take notes that way. And this is not a portable method.

You are reading an article on any website. You want to save the article somewhere. Perhaps there are sentences to underline.
Nothing on the web is likely to stay the way you first found it. Some contents die. And those contents can be very important.

This is why people use applications such as OneNote and Evernote.

You can tag notes in those applications, you can save websites content , and you can connect between notes...

These features are not what notepad supports.

And most of these apps also have a mobile app.
This way, people can take new notes, update, delete, etc., even while on the go.

If you know of such an application, please let me know.
If there is still no note-taking application available, I'll write it in Golang.
I can not believe this. Maybe I've tested 10 apps and none of them are compatible with screen readers. We are in the 21st century. It's so scary.

On 23/08/2020 17:31, Akash Kakkar wrote:
Bro, what about accessibility? are they reasonably accessible?

On 8/23/2020 6:35 PM, Hope Williamson wrote:
Hi, I use a service for saving links, which sounds like what your
wanting to do, so you can go back and read them whenever you need to
remember them. I use https://linklocker.co, but there are plenty of
other services like this out there, such as https://pinboard.in.

   These are web-based services, but they both work extremely well.
I've had success with using both of them at times.







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Re: Which video software for nvda

Simone Dal Maso
 

Il 23/08/2020 18:47, CARLOS-ESTEBAN ha scritto:
Pontes Media is safe. A program don’t safe is, for example, Multi Extra, but the developer also created in 2016 an addon malicious for NVDA and this person is popular for this reason.
yes, the problem is that I installed multiextra sometimes ago, and now I really don't know if I have some malware on my pc. The software now is not free anymore, I hope nobody will use it!
I don't like when a person use a free software and in a second it becomes commercial or paysoftware. I think the user should be advised before. You update and... end!


Re: NVDA Cursors tutorial.

Emmanuel Junaid
 

No. I meant nvda cursors.


Re: NVDA Cursors tutorial.

hurrikennyandopo ...
 

Hi


Is it courses you are meaning? I have if you are interested written and audio tutorials for the nvda screen reader. From the earlier days to now.


They are only for a desk top user as that is what I use.


The main website where they are is found at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net

Any of the pages that mention nvda will link you to the nvda tutorials inside of the website. You will see what I mean when you pick one.


They are only in English as that is what I speak..


Also there is a link to the nvda shop on every page where you can buy material written and audio for a cost which Quentin sells from NVACCESS.


The pages will also point you towards other stuff as well.


hope it helps.


Gene nz


On 24/08/2020 5:59 pm, Emmanuel Junaid wrote:

Hello! Where can I get audio tutorial on all the nvda cosors.


Re: Issue with Outlook shortcut commands and NVDA compatibility

Gene
 

I don't know bout the other commands you are discussing, I don't use Outlook. But alt 1 through 6 are JAWS commands. The NVDA add-on uses similar alt plus number commands. Such commands have been used by JAWS in various e-mail programs for years. And sighted people can see all these fields and don't need such commands.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Cristóbal
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2020 10:30 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Issue with Outlook shortcut commands and NVDA compatibility

I suppose I could give that a try, but really, these are keystroke commands native to Outlook itself so in theory, an add-on shouldn’t be needed. That and they do work perfectly well with Jaws.


Cristóbal

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2020 8:09 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Issue with Outlook shortcut commands and NVDA compatibility

There is a compatible NVDA add-on for Outlook.
https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/outlookExtended.en.html
It may do the things you want.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Cristóbal
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2020 10:02 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Issue with Outlook shortcut commands and NVDA compatibility



Ok. So I first checked the add-ons I did have installed and low-and-behold, they were all incompatible with this version of NVDA (most current version).
I went ahead and uninstalled them and did a restart of NVDA.

Now, running NVDA wit no add-ons installed, it appears that I can now do the
alt+I and alt+U to get to the location and subject fields in both the
calendar and messages of Outlook, but the alt+` (grauv) to jump to either message body or notes section in either the calendar or contact entry etc.
still doesn’t work anywhere. Same goes for the Alt+1 through 6 on the top number row. Alt+7 invokes some weird mouse command

I mean, I’m not being hyperbolic when I say I send countless emails a day and am always in the calendar checking this, doing that, creating etc. so for me and my workflow, this really is sort of a dealbreaker. Eliminating I don’t know how many tabs and shift tabs throughout the day for example is invaluable for my time and sanity with these keystrokes.

I’d like to use NVDA more in my business, but without this functionality, it would be tough.

Any other ideas?

Thanks,



Cristóbal







From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2020 3:01 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Issue with Outlook shortcut commands and NVDA compatibility





Hi,

Can you try restarting with add-ons disabled? If Outlook commands work after
this, chances are that it might be an add-on or two that might be
interfering with outlook commands.

Cheers,

Joseph





From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cristóbal
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2020 2:52 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Issue with Outlook shortcut commands and NVDA compatibility





Hello list,

I’m mainly a Jaws user, but time to time, I use NVDA for the odd task or if
Jaws is giving me problems or whatever.

I’m also a heavy Outlook user (V 2016). I’m noticing an issue with certain
keystroke commands that appear to conflict with NVDA and Outlook and was
wondering if it’s just me or if it really is an issue for others.

For example, alt+I while in a calendar will take you to the location field
where you can enter in address location of the appointment. Alt+U takes you
to the subject field be it in a calendar appointment or message. Alt+`
(grov) takes you to the message field/notes section. Alt+1 or 2 or 3 etc.
takes you to the various header fields like from, to, cc, bcc, subject…
These all work fine with Jaws and to the best of my knowledge, are not
screen reader specific commands, but rather Outlook’s.

These commands don’t appear to work with NVDA however. They seem to invoke
some mouse commands or just don’t work period.

I use Outlook all day for my business which is very email and
calendar-centric. So, being able to use shortcuts like these are a huge
time saver and really essential for how I work.

Am I perhaps missing something or is this really an NVDA compatibility
issue?



Thanks,



Cristóbal


NVDA Cursors tutorial.

Emmanuel Junaid
 

Hello! Where can I get audio tutorial on all the nvda cosors.


Re: Which video software for nvda

Ian Blackburn
 

hi


Pontes.   is interesting. Its menus are a bit mucked up for NVDA. I cant read the table of short cut keys properly. It only displays the short cut key and not what they do.


The programme looks a bit like a portable app. If you copy the contents of its directory that it installed in to and put it elsewhere it seems to run okay even if it is on a different windows machine. I did this with a very old windows program called pdf to txt utility that would not install on windows 10. It works well if you just put the contents from the original install on a directory in your computer


Ian

On 24/08/2020 8:23 am, Gene wrote:

Do the things in reverse order.  Get the address on the clipboard first.
Then open Pontes.  The point is not to perhaps have one thing on the
clipboard first, then have it change after the program opens.

Also, after you open the program, tab around to find the download button.
If you don't want to change the folder, you are looking for just a download
button.
Here are the steps when downloading if you don't want to change anything:
New steps start on new lines:
Have your browser go to the Youtube page from which the video streams.  It
will probably start to stream.
Go to the address bar and copy the link to the clipboard.
Close the browser or that page to stop the stream unless you want to listen
to it.
Open Pontes.
The address is automatically pasted into the edit field, which you will see
as you tab around.
Assuming you don't want to change anything, tab to the download button and
press the space bar.  Just the download button, not anything like download
folder.
You should hear a soft musical sound and the file will start to download.
To confirm that something is going on, move to the status line with control
s. Use the read current line command to read it.
When the download and conversion is finished, you should hear another
musical tone and the status line should say idle.  The file should be in the
folder it is supposed  to be in.

On my computer, there are times when I start version 3.1 and it doesn't do
anything for perhaps half a minute or a little more.  When I read the title
bar, it says not responding.  Then it starts to respond.  When it does, your
first time using the program, tab through everything.  You will see such
things as combo boxes to change what files are converted to.  To change the
rate of conversion, I'm not sure, but you may have to work with the menus.
But let's nmot ghet into all that now.  Tab around the entire part of the
interface, which contains the common things you may do and the more common
things you may want to do.
These instructions apply to version 2.x as well, as I recall, things are so
similar that you won't do anything differently when downloading a file and
seeing combo boxes, etc.  You should see very similar things,.  I don't know
which version you are using so I added those comments.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Ron Canazzi
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2020 3:26 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda]Which video software for nvda

Hi Heddie,

1.  Launch Pontes.
2.  Open your browser and launch the Youtube videoe.
3.  Go to the address bar and copy the address.
4.  Move back to Pontes and paste in the address.
5.  By default, the file should download into your default download
folder.  I have changed mine to something different.  you can do this
under the Pontes settings. Actually you can tab to the item labeled
download folder and press enter or space bar on it and a select folder
dialogue should open where you can use normal Explorer navigation to
select a new folder.

One other thing: You can make Pontes automatically copy the address from
a Youtube page when it is launched under Pontes settings.  If you do
this, there are some focus issues.  You may have to alt + tab around a
few times to regain focus to Pontes once you launch the desired Youtube
page.

If you need any more help, feel free to post again.


On 8/23/2020 3:44 PM, Hettie wrote:
Hi Ron

I installed Pontes Media Downloader but at a loss as to how the program
works. It shows the youtube file I want to download but I can't download
it. Where can I find documentation or would you help me to understand the
program?


Hettie


On 2020/08/22 10:25 pm, Ron Canazzi wrote:
Hi Heddy,

Pontes Media Downloader does give you the option to download the full
unconverted video from Youtube.  It also allows  conversion to MP3 and
other audio formats.  I am totally blind myself and therefore I cannot
make accurate analysis of just what quality of videos are downloaded.  By
default, it downloads the video in MP4 format.  I think this may be a
compressed form of the video, so if compressed video format is not good
enough, maybe this won't work for you.

In any case, the download page for this app is:
http://www.pontes.ro/en/scripts/#pmd


On 8/22/2020 4:03 PM, Hettie wrote:
I spent a lot of time searching Google for an accessible video
downloader that works with nvda.

I came accros Ummy Video Downloader  and it looks like a possibility but
unfortunately it allows only 1 free download before you need to pay. The
subscription price falls out of my monthly or once-off budget. The video
I downloaded from Youtube was of a very high quality.

Any suggestions for a free app?


Hettie


On 2020/08/22 9:45 pm, Gene wrote:
I don't use the updater so others can discuss it.  Regarding add-ons, I
don't know where you are looking.  If you go to:
https://addons.nvda-project.org/index.en.html
that is the official NVDA add-ons page.  That doesn't mean that no
other add-ons are available elsewhere, it means that these have been
checked by NVDA volunteers for safety and that they work properly.

You are on the stable add-ons page.  You will see a link as you look
down the page for add-ons under development.  You may use them if you
wish but they may have bugs, being sort of like betas.

Legacy add-ons, as I understand it, and there is a link to them as
well, are those that can be used with older versions of NVDA.  I'm not
sure, but I don't think they will work with current versions.

If you go to the page I gave a link to earlier and move down the page
using h for heading, you will move from add-on link to add-on link.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: David Ingram
Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2020 2:33 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] what addons can i get with the most recent version of
NVDA?

Hi list members, i'd like to know is there a more recent updater, and
what addons can I use with the most recent version of NVDA? There
doesn't seem to  be many choices in terms of addons that I can choose
to use.  I would appreciate any assistance that anyone can give in
reguards to my questions. Thank you.






Re: multiple instances of NVDA

Quentin Christensen
 

Ralf,

I just tried and when I press CONTROL+ALT+N, the copy of NVDA which started automatically on login exits cleanly and the new copy starts.  What version of NVDA and Windows are you using though?

I am using Windows 10 (64-bit) Version: 1903 Build 18362 
Running NVDA version: alpha-20763,1ef4dfb0 

That's probably not the most usual combination though (My Windows 10 keeps hitting an error updating and I haven't taken the time to reformat it).  So if you're using a different version of Windows and / or NVDA your mileage might vary.  If anyone else tries this, please do share your version of Windows and NVDA and whether NVDA restarts cleanly or leaves an icon in the notification area.

Quentin.

On Fri, Aug 21, 2020 at 9:09 PM Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
I should have added that I am using Windows 7 and using NVDA as a portable
program, and that may or may not make a difference.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: Friday, August 21, 2020 5:56 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] multiple instances of NVDA

I've never had it happen when I unload NVDA, then restart it.  I'm not
talking about using the control alt n command when NVDA hangs or crashes.
I'm talking about using NVDA key q, then restarting.

KI've only seen this happen when NV
DA crashes and I restart it.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Quentin Christensen
Sent: Friday, August 21, 2020 3:11 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] multiple instances of NVDA


Interesting, I regularly restart NVDA and I don't recall ever seeing it from
that.  Do you have any add-ons?


On Fri, Aug 21, 2020 at 4:35 PM Luke Davis <luke@...> wrote:
On Fri, 21 Aug 2020, Quentin Christensen wrote:

> This is generally caused by something closing NVDA unexpectedly, such as
> it crashing, or if you go to task manager and "End task" it.  I haven't
> seen it
> when restarting or updating add-ons.  I wonder if it is a particular
> add-on which is not letting NVDA shut down cleanly?
> If anyone replicates this, ideally with the log set to debug level, I'd be
> interested in your nvda-old.log file (the one from when NVDA didn't shut
> down
> properly).

I'll get you one, but I must say that I have rarely NOT had this happen when
doing an NVDA restart.
It is just the way of things.
Since it happens on all of my systems, I assumed it was an error with slave
or
helper, and couldn't be avoided.

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Re: Which video software for nvda

Ron Canazzi
 

Hi Group,

This method does indeed work.  How exactly does it work?  Is there any danger?  The reason I ask is because the page that allows this once you insert the pp after the youtube doesn't specifically say what it is or if it does, it is not too screen reader friendly. In addition, the process is a bit convoluted--especially if you want to convert from the video to MP3 or other audio formats.  It does work, but it will take some getting used to.


On 8/23/2020 4:28 PM, abdul muhamin wrote:

Hi, there is no need to install separate software to download videos, the IDM can do the job, put pp in the video URL after YouTube. for example: youtubepp.com/aweofijoijm;vasdnv

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Jackie
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2020 4:34 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda]Which video software for nvda

 

Ron, that's good to know. Even in cases where the program is great,

sometimes it gets distributed on other websites where it's loaded

w/crapware, & then it's not. So in a case like Pons, just make sure

you're at the real author's site.

 

On 8/22/20, Ron Canazzi <aa2vm@...> wrote:

> HI Jackie,

> FYI, Pontes does not have any spyware or Potentially Unwanted Programs

> that come along with it.  The one you have to be careful of is the

> FreeMake converter.  That used to be a good program, but in 2015, they

> introduced a bunch of Potentially Unwanted Programs including something

> called Security 360.  It was some sort of security program that was

> impossible to remove and was most probably some sort of spyware itself.

> I don't know how many people got burned with that one.  Pontes is

> definitely good to go and I have been using it for years without any

> difficulty.

> On 8/22/2020 4:38 PM, Jackie wrote:

>> Please be careful when downloading video converters. They tend to be

>> notorious for containing potentially unwanted programs (PUP's) or even

>> outright malware. I can't count the number of machines I've had to

>> repair over the years because of this very reason. If you do decide

>> you absolutely must have such, then please try ninite first

>> www.ninite.com

>> as this bypasses all the crapware.

>> 

>> If not, then at least pay attention when installing & uncheck the

>> other offerings most of these try to present, but even so, that

>> doesn't always work. & Google does not screen these, so searching for

>> such programs there does not mean you'll necessarily get a

>> crapware-free app.

>> 

>> On 8/22/20, Ron Canazzi <aa2vm@...> wrote:

>>> Hi Heddy,

>>> 

>>> Pontes Media Downloader does give you the option to download the full

>>> unconverted video from Youtube.  It also allows  conversion to MP3 and

>>> other audio formats.  I am totally blind myself and therefore I cannot

>>> make accurate analysis of just what quality of videos are downloaded.

>>> By default, it downloads the video in MP4 format.  I think this may be a

>>> compressed form of the video, so if compressed video format is not good

>>> enough, maybe this won't work for you.

>>> 

>>> In any case, the download page for this app is:

>>> http://www.pontes.ro/en/scripts/#pmd

>>> 

>>> 

>>> On 8/22/2020 4:03 PM, Hettie wrote:

>>>> I spent a lot of time searching Google for an accessible video

>>>> downloader that works with nvda.

>>>> 

>>>> I came accros Ummy Video Downloader  and it looks like a possibility

>>>> but unfortunately it allows only 1 free download before you need to

>>>> pay. The subscription price falls out of my monthly or once-off

>>>> budget. The video I downloaded from Youtube was of a very high quality.

>>>> 

>>>> Any suggestions for a free app?

>>>> 

>>>> 

>>>> Hettie

>>>> 

>>>> 

>>>> On 2020/08/22 9:45 pm, Gene wrote:

>>>>> I don't use the updater so others can discuss it.  Regarding add-ons,

>>>>> I don't know where you are looking.  If you go to:

>>>>> https://addons.nvda-project.org/index.en.html

>>>>> that is the official NVDA add-ons page.  That doesn't mean that no

>>>>> other add-ons are available elsewhere, it means that these have been

>>>>> checked by NVDA volunteers for safety and that they work properly.

>>>>> 

>>>>> You are on the stable add-ons page.  You will see a link as you look

>>>>> down the page for add-ons under development.  You may use them if you

>>>>> wish but they may have bugs, being sort of like betas.

>>>>> 

>>>>> Legacy add-ons, as I understand it, and there is a link to them as

>>>>> well, are those that can be used with older versions of NVDA.  I'm

>>>>> not sure, but I don't think they will work with current versions.

>>>>> 

>>>>> If you go to the page I gave a link to earlier and move down the page

>>>>> using h for heading, you will move from add-on link to add-on link.

>>>>> 

>>>>> Gene

>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: David Ingram

>>>>> Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2020 2:33 PM

>>>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

>>>>> Subject: [nvda] what addons can i get with the most recent version of

>>>>> NVDA?

>>>>> 

>>>>> Hi list members, i'd like to know is there a more recent updater, and

>>>>> what addons can I use with the most recent version of NVDA? There

>>>>> doesn't seem to  be many choices in terms of addons that I can choose

>>>>> to use.  I would appreciate any assistance that anyone can give in

>>>>> reguards to my questions. Thank you.

>>>>> 

>>>>> 

>>>>> 

>>>>> 

>>>>> 

>>>>> 

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>>> I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>> 

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Re: Issue with Outlook shortcut commands and NVDA compatibility

Cristóbal
 

I’ll try to get to that tomorrow or Tuesday.

I’m using: Microsoft Outlook Subscription Version 16.0.13029.20344

This is a standalone license and not an Office 365 subscription.

Cristóbal

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2020 8:08 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Issue with Outlook shortcut commands and NVDA compatibility

 

Hi,

I think there might be gestures conflict somewhere. To really find out, short of accessing user configuration directory and removing gestures.ini file, restart NVDA with debug logging enabled, use Outlook, try executing those commands, then:

  1. Press NVDA+F1 to open log viewer.
  2. Select and copy everything.
  3. Paste it as part of a private email to me.

I’ll announce the result to this list after analyzing the debug log. Also, for sake of completeness, what is the version of Outlook you are using?

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cristóbal
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2020 8:02 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Issue with Outlook shortcut commands and NVDA compatibility

 

Ok. So I first checked the add-ons I did have installed and low-and-behold, they were all incompatible with this version of NVDA (most current version). I went ahead and uninstalled them and did a restart of NVDA.

Now, running NVDA wit no add-ons installed, it appears that I can now do the alt+I and alt+U to get to the location and subject fields in both the calendar and messages of Outlook, but the alt+` (grauv) to jump to either message body or notes section in either the calendar or contact entry etc. still doesn’t work anywhere. Same goes for the Alt+1 through 6 on the top number row. Alt+7 invokes some weird mouse command

I mean, I’m not being hyperbolic when I say I send countless emails a day and am always in the calendar checking this, doing that, creating etc. so for me and my workflow, this really is sort of a dealbreaker. Eliminating I don’t know how many tabs and shift tabs throughout the day for example is invaluable for my time and sanity with these keystrokes.

I’d like to use NVDA more in my business, but without this functionality, it would be tough.

Any other ideas?

Thanks,

Cristóbal

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2020 3:01 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Issue with Outlook shortcut commands and NVDA compatibility

 

Hi,

Can you try restarting with add-ons disabled? If Outlook commands work after this, chances are that it might be an add-on or two that might be interfering with outlook commands.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cristóbal
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2020 2:52 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Issue with Outlook shortcut commands and NVDA compatibility

 

Hello list,

I’m mainly a Jaws user, but time to time, I use NVDA for the odd task or if Jaws is giving me problems or whatever.

I’m also a heavy Outlook user (V 2016). I’m noticing an issue with certain keystroke commands that appear to conflict with NVDA and Outlook and was wondering if it’s just me or if it really is an issue for others.

For example, alt+I while in a calendar will take you to the location field where you can enter in address location of the appointment. Alt+U takes you to the subject field be it in a calendar appointment or message. Alt+` (grov) takes you to the message field/notes section. Alt+1 or 2 or 3 etc. takes you to the various header fields like from, to, cc, bcc, subject… These all work fine with Jaws and to the best of my knowledge, are not screen reader specific commands, but rather Outlook’s.

These commands don’t appear to work with NVDA however. They seem to invoke some mouse commands or just don’t work period.

I use Outlook all day for my business which is very email and calendar-centric.  So, being able to use shortcuts like these are a huge time saver and really essential for how I work.

Am I perhaps missing something or is this really an NVDA compatibility issue?

 

Thanks,

 

Cristóbal

 


Re: Issue with Outlook shortcut commands and NVDA compatibility

Cristóbal
 

I suppose I could give that a try, but really, these are keystroke commands native to Outlook itself so in theory, an add-on shouldn’t be needed. That and they do work perfectly well with Jaws.


Cristóbal

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2020 8:09 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Issue with Outlook shortcut commands and NVDA compatibility

There is a compatible NVDA add-on for Outlook.
https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/outlookExtended.en.html
It may do the things you want.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Cristóbal
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2020 10:02 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Issue with Outlook shortcut commands and NVDA compatibility



Ok. So I first checked the add-ons I did have installed and low-and-behold, they were all incompatible with this version of NVDA (most current version).
I went ahead and uninstalled them and did a restart of NVDA.

Now, running NVDA wit no add-ons installed, it appears that I can now do the
alt+I and alt+U to get to the location and subject fields in both the
calendar and messages of Outlook, but the alt+` (grauv) to jump to either message body or notes section in either the calendar or contact entry etc.
still doesn’t work anywhere. Same goes for the Alt+1 through 6 on the top number row. Alt+7 invokes some weird mouse command

I mean, I’m not being hyperbolic when I say I send countless emails a day and am always in the calendar checking this, doing that, creating etc. so for me and my workflow, this really is sort of a dealbreaker. Eliminating I don’t know how many tabs and shift tabs throughout the day for example is invaluable for my time and sanity with these keystrokes.

I’d like to use NVDA more in my business, but without this functionality, it would be tough.

Any other ideas?

Thanks,



Cristóbal







From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2020 3:01 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Issue with Outlook shortcut commands and NVDA compatibility





Hi,

Can you try restarting with add-ons disabled? If Outlook commands work after
this, chances are that it might be an add-on or two that might be
interfering with outlook commands.

Cheers,

Joseph





From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cristóbal
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2020 2:52 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Issue with Outlook shortcut commands and NVDA compatibility





Hello list,

I’m mainly a Jaws user, but time to time, I use NVDA for the odd task or if
Jaws is giving me problems or whatever.

I’m also a heavy Outlook user (V 2016). I’m noticing an issue with certain
keystroke commands that appear to conflict with NVDA and Outlook and was
wondering if it’s just me or if it really is an issue for others.

For example, alt+I while in a calendar will take you to the location field
where you can enter in address location of the appointment. Alt+U takes you
to the subject field be it in a calendar appointment or message. Alt+`
(grov) takes you to the message field/notes section. Alt+1 or 2 or 3 etc.
takes you to the various header fields like from, to, cc, bcc, subject…
These all work fine with Jaws and to the best of my knowledge, are not
screen reader specific commands, but rather Outlook’s.

These commands don’t appear to work with NVDA however. They seem to invoke
some mouse commands or just don’t work period.

I use Outlook all day for my business which is very email and
calendar-centric. So, being able to use shortcuts like these are a huge
time saver and really essential for how I work.

Am I perhaps missing something or is this really an NVDA compatibility
issue?



Thanks,



Cristóbal


Re: Issue with Outlook shortcut commands and NVDA compatibility

Gene
 

There is a compatible NVDA add-on for Outlook.
https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/outlookExtended.en.html
It may do the things you want.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Cristóbal
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2020 10:02 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Issue with Outlook shortcut commands and NVDA compatibility



Ok. So I first checked the add-ons I did have installed and low-and-behold, they were all incompatible with this version of NVDA (most current version). I went ahead and uninstalled them and did a restart of NVDA.

Now, running NVDA wit no add-ons installed, it appears that I can now do the alt+I and alt+U to get to the location and subject fields in both the calendar and messages of Outlook, but the alt+` (grauv) to jump to either message body or notes section in either the calendar or contact entry etc. still doesn’t work anywhere. Same goes for the Alt+1 through 6 on the top number row. Alt+7 invokes some weird mouse command

I mean, I’m not being hyperbolic when I say I send countless emails a day and am always in the calendar checking this, doing that, creating etc. so for me and my workflow, this really is sort of a dealbreaker. Eliminating I don’t know how many tabs and shift tabs throughout the day for example is invaluable for my time and sanity with these keystrokes.

I’d like to use NVDA more in my business, but without this functionality, it would be tough.

Any other ideas?

Thanks,



Cristóbal







From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2020 3:01 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Issue with Outlook shortcut commands and NVDA compatibility





Hi,

Can you try restarting with add-ons disabled? If Outlook commands work after this, chances are that it might be an add-on or two that might be interfering with outlook commands.

Cheers,

Joseph





From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cristóbal
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2020 2:52 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Issue with Outlook shortcut commands and NVDA compatibility





Hello list,

I’m mainly a Jaws user, but time to time, I use NVDA for the odd task or if Jaws is giving me problems or whatever.

I’m also a heavy Outlook user (V 2016). I’m noticing an issue with certain keystroke commands that appear to conflict with NVDA and Outlook and was wondering if it’s just me or if it really is an issue for others.

For example, alt+I while in a calendar will take you to the location field where you can enter in address location of the appointment. Alt+U takes you to the subject field be it in a calendar appointment or message. Alt+` (grov) takes you to the message field/notes section. Alt+1 or 2 or 3 etc. takes you to the various header fields like from, to, cc, bcc, subject… These all work fine with Jaws and to the best of my knowledge, are not screen reader specific commands, but rather Outlook’s.

These commands don’t appear to work with NVDA however. They seem to invoke some mouse commands or just don’t work period.

I use Outlook all day for my business which is very email and calendar-centric. So, being able to use shortcuts like these are a huge time saver and really essential for how I work.

Am I perhaps missing something or is this really an NVDA compatibility issue?



Thanks,



Cristóbal


Re: Issue with Outlook shortcut commands and NVDA compatibility

 

Hi,

I think there might be gestures conflict somewhere. To really find out, short of accessing user configuration directory and removing gestures.ini file, restart NVDA with debug logging enabled, use Outlook, try executing those commands, then:

  1. Press NVDA+F1 to open log viewer.
  2. Select and copy everything.
  3. Paste it as part of a private email to me.

I’ll announce the result to this list after analyzing the debug log. Also, for sake of completeness, what is the version of Outlook you are using?

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cristóbal
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2020 8:02 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Issue with Outlook shortcut commands and NVDA compatibility

 

Ok. So I first checked the add-ons I did have installed and low-and-behold, they were all incompatible with this version of NVDA (most current version). I went ahead and uninstalled them and did a restart of NVDA.

Now, running NVDA wit no add-ons installed, it appears that I can now do the alt+I and alt+U to get to the location and subject fields in both the calendar and messages of Outlook, but the alt+` (grauv) to jump to either message body or notes section in either the calendar or contact entry etc. still doesn’t work anywhere. Same goes for the Alt+1 through 6 on the top number row. Alt+7 invokes some weird mouse command

I mean, I’m not being hyperbolic when I say I send countless emails a day and am always in the calendar checking this, doing that, creating etc. so for me and my workflow, this really is sort of a dealbreaker. Eliminating I don’t know how many tabs and shift tabs throughout the day for example is invaluable for my time and sanity with these keystrokes.

I’d like to use NVDA more in my business, but without this functionality, it would be tough.

Any other ideas?

Thanks,

Cristóbal

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2020 3:01 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Issue with Outlook shortcut commands and NVDA compatibility

 

Hi,

Can you try restarting with add-ons disabled? If Outlook commands work after this, chances are that it might be an add-on or two that might be interfering with outlook commands.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cristóbal
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2020 2:52 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Issue with Outlook shortcut commands and NVDA compatibility

 

Hello list,

I’m mainly a Jaws user, but time to time, I use NVDA for the odd task or if Jaws is giving me problems or whatever.

I’m also a heavy Outlook user (V 2016). I’m noticing an issue with certain keystroke commands that appear to conflict with NVDA and Outlook and was wondering if it’s just me or if it really is an issue for others.

For example, alt+I while in a calendar will take you to the location field where you can enter in address location of the appointment. Alt+U takes you to the subject field be it in a calendar appointment or message. Alt+` (grov) takes you to the message field/notes section. Alt+1 or 2 or 3 etc. takes you to the various header fields like from, to, cc, bcc, subject… These all work fine with Jaws and to the best of my knowledge, are not screen reader specific commands, but rather Outlook’s.

These commands don’t appear to work with NVDA however. They seem to invoke some mouse commands or just don’t work period.

I use Outlook all day for my business which is very email and calendar-centric.  So, being able to use shortcuts like these are a huge time saver and really essential for how I work.

Am I perhaps missing something or is this really an NVDA compatibility issue?

 

Thanks,

 

Cristóbal

 


Re: Issue with Outlook shortcut commands and NVDA compatibility

Cristóbal
 

Ok. So I first checked the add-ons I did have installed and low-and-behold, they were all incompatible with this version of NVDA (most current version). I went ahead and uninstalled them and did a restart of NVDA.

Now, running NVDA wit no add-ons installed, it appears that I can now do the alt+I and alt+U to get to the location and subject fields in both the calendar and messages of Outlook, but the alt+` (grauv) to jump to either message body or notes section in either the calendar or contact entry etc. still doesn’t work anywhere. Same goes for the Alt+1 through 6 on the top number row. Alt+7 invokes some weird mouse command

I mean, I’m not being hyperbolic when I say I send countless emails a day and am always in the calendar checking this, doing that, creating etc. so for me and my workflow, this really is sort of a dealbreaker. Eliminating I don’t know how many tabs and shift tabs throughout the day for example is invaluable for my time and sanity with these keystrokes.

I’d like to use NVDA more in my business, but without this functionality, it would be tough.

Any other ideas?

Thanks,

Cristóbal

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2020 3:01 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Issue with Outlook shortcut commands and NVDA compatibility

 

Hi,

Can you try restarting with add-ons disabled? If Outlook commands work after this, chances are that it might be an add-on or two that might be interfering with outlook commands.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cristóbal
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2020 2:52 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Issue with Outlook shortcut commands and NVDA compatibility

 

Hello list,

I’m mainly a Jaws user, but time to time, I use NVDA for the odd task or if Jaws is giving me problems or whatever.

I’m also a heavy Outlook user (V 2016). I’m noticing an issue with certain keystroke commands that appear to conflict with NVDA and Outlook and was wondering if it’s just me or if it really is an issue for others.

For example, alt+I while in a calendar will take you to the location field where you can enter in address location of the appointment. Alt+U takes you to the subject field be it in a calendar appointment or message. Alt+` (grov) takes you to the message field/notes section. Alt+1 or 2 or 3 etc. takes you to the various header fields like from, to, cc, bcc, subject… These all work fine with Jaws and to the best of my knowledge, are not screen reader specific commands, but rather Outlook’s.

These commands don’t appear to work with NVDA however. They seem to invoke some mouse commands or just don’t work period.

I use Outlook all day for my business which is very email and calendar-centric.  So, being able to use shortcuts like these are a huge time saver and really essential for how I work.

Am I perhaps missing something or is this really an NVDA compatibility issue?

 

Thanks,

 

Cristóbal

 


Re: Most recent versions of "Microsoft Edge" and "Google Chrome" crashing intermittently with NVDA

Mário Navarro
 



Yes, it's true. I also have this issue ...

most recent version of NVDA. 

running Windows 10 version 2004.

cheers.

Às 00:20 de 24/08/2020, Louise Pfau escreveu:
Hi.  I've noticed that the most recent versions of "Microsoft Edge" and "Google Chrome" are intermittently crashing with the most recent version of NVDA.  I can't predict when this will occur to provide information for replicating the issue.  I'm running Windows 10 version 2004.

Thanks,

Louise
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A acção pode nem sempre ser felicidade, mas não há felicidade sem acção...


Re: what addons can i get with the most recent version of NVDA?

David Ingram
 

Where can I get the most recent app essentials for nvda first of all?  Then I'd like to know what specific apps have been updated to work with the most recent version of NVDA?  Thank you for any information that you might have concerning my questions.  P.S. are you also saying that nativeaccess is no longer supported by NVDA?  iS there a reason why this has happened?

-----Original Message-----
From: Joseph Lee
Sent: Aug 23, 2020 6:34 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] what addons can i get with the most recent version of NVDA?

Hi,

I assume Windows 10 App Essentials 20.08.1? Did you use Add-on Updater to check for updates? If yes, try using most recent Add-on Updater first before updating other add-ons.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Louise Pfau
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2020 4:31 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] what addons can i get with the most recent version of NVDA?

 

Hi.  When I tried to install the "Windows 10 app essentials" add-on with the most recent version of NVDA, I was told that I was running an older version of Windows.  I'm running "Microsoft Windows Version 2004 (OS Build 19041.450)".

Thanks,

Louise


Re: Which video software for nvda

Gene
 

Do the things in reverse order. Get the address on the clipboard first.
Then open Pontes. The point is not to perhaps have one thing on the
clipboard first, then have it change after the program opens.

Also, after you open the program, tab around to find the download button.
If you don't want to change the folder, you are looking for just a download
button.
Here are the steps when downloading if you don't want to change anything:
New steps start on new lines:
Have your browser go to the Youtube page from which the video streams. It
will probably start to stream.
Go to the address bar and copy the link to the clipboard.
Close the browser or that page to stop the stream unless you want to listen
to it.
Open Pontes.
The address is automatically pasted into the edit field, which you will see
as you tab around.
Assuming you don't want to change anything, tab to the download button and
press the space bar. Just the download button, not anything like download
folder.
You should hear a soft musical sound and the file will start to download.
To confirm that something is going on, move to the status line with control
s. Use the read current line command to read it.
When the download and conversion is finished, you should hear another
musical tone and the status line should say idle. The file should be in the
folder it is supposed to be in.

On my computer, there are times when I start version 3.1 and it doesn't do
anything for perhaps half a minute or a little more. When I read the title
bar, it says not responding. Then it starts to respond. When it does, your
first time using the program, tab through everything. You will see such
things as combo boxes to change what files are converted to. To change the
rate of conversion, I'm not sure, but you may have to work with the menus.
But let's nmot ghet into all that now. Tab around the entire part of the
interface, which contains the common things you may do and the more common
things you may want to do.
These instructions apply to version 2.x as well, as I recall, things are so
similar that you won't do anything differently when downloading a file and
seeing combo boxes, etc. You should see very similar things,. I don't know
which version you are using so I added those comments.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Ron Canazzi
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2020 3:26 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda]Which video software for nvda

Hi Heddie,

1. Launch Pontes.
2. Open your browser and launch the Youtube videoe.
3. Go to the address bar and copy the address.
4. Move back to Pontes and paste in the address.
5. By default, the file should download into your default download
folder. I have changed mine to something different. you can do this
under the Pontes settings. Actually you can tab to the item labeled
download folder and press enter or space bar on it and a select folder
dialogue should open where you can use normal Explorer navigation to
select a new folder.

One other thing: You can make Pontes automatically copy the address from
a Youtube page when it is launched under Pontes settings. If you do
this, there are some focus issues. You may have to alt + tab around a
few times to regain focus to Pontes once you launch the desired Youtube
page.

If you need any more help, feel free to post again.


On 8/23/2020 3:44 PM, Hettie wrote:
Hi Ron

I installed Pontes Media Downloader but at a loss as to how the program
works. It shows the youtube file I want to download but I can't download
it. Where can I find documentation or would you help me to understand the
program?


Hettie


On 2020/08/22 10:25 pm, Ron Canazzi wrote:
Hi Heddy,

Pontes Media Downloader does give you the option to download the full
unconverted video from Youtube. It also allows conversion to MP3 and
other audio formats. I am totally blind myself and therefore I cannot
make accurate analysis of just what quality of videos are downloaded. By
default, it downloads the video in MP4 format. I think this may be a
compressed form of the video, so if compressed video format is not good
enough, maybe this won't work for you.

In any case, the download page for this app is:
http://www.pontes.ro/en/scripts/#pmd


On 8/22/2020 4:03 PM, Hettie wrote:
I spent a lot of time searching Google for an accessible video
downloader that works with nvda.

I came accros Ummy Video Downloader and it looks like a possibility but
unfortunately it allows only 1 free download before you need to pay. The
subscription price falls out of my monthly or once-off budget. The video
I downloaded from Youtube was of a very high quality.

Any suggestions for a free app?


Hettie


On 2020/08/22 9:45 pm, Gene wrote:
I don't use the updater so others can discuss it. Regarding add-ons, I
don't know where you are looking. If you go to:
https://addons.nvda-project.org/index.en.html
that is the official NVDA add-ons page. That doesn't mean that no
other add-ons are available elsewhere, it means that these have been
checked by NVDA volunteers for safety and that they work properly.

You are on the stable add-ons page. You will see a link as you look
down the page for add-ons under development. You may use them if you
wish but they may have bugs, being sort of like betas.

Legacy add-ons, as I understand it, and there is a link to them as
well, are those that can be used with older versions of NVDA. I'm not
sure, but I don't think they will work with current versions.

If you go to the page I gave a link to earlier and move down the page
using h for heading, you will move from add-on link to add-on link.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: David Ingram
Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2020 2:33 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] what addons can i get with the most recent version of
NVDA?

Hi list members, i'd like to know is there a more recent updater, and
what addons can I use with the most recent version of NVDA? There
doesn't seem to be many choices in terms of addons that I can choose
to use. I would appreciate any assistance that anyone can give in
reguards to my questions. Thank you.





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They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"


Re: Most recent versions of "Microsoft Edge" and "Google Chrome" crashing intermittently with NVDA

Gene
 

I'm using Windows 7 and the old SAPI 4 voices. At times, NVDA will crash or it will cause Firefox to crash and at times, NVDA crashes when I use Windows Live Mail. I don't recall if these kinds of crashes occur with Chrome and The Brave Browser, but I think they do. I've seen one or two reports on the list over recent time of behavior that sounds similar and I suspect there is some sort of problem.

I also have the problem of read to end stopping reading off and on on certain web ;pages, sometimes two or three times on the same page.

I don't know when these problems started. I didn't start using new versions of NVDA until the one before the final release. I haven't used new versions to any extent for a long time until the one I'm using now. It is version 2020.1beta.

I am quite sure none of the problems I've reported are caused by it being a beta instead of the full release. I've seen similar problems described once or twice recently, as in the below message.

Because of these problems, and because I can use much earlier versions of NVDA I know don't have these problems, I use the new NVDA where I need to but the old version I've used for a long time in general. I realize there have been all sorts of changes to NVDA in the last many months, but I don't think mhy problems are so rare that they should not be looked into. Of course, that depends on how many people report them. I suspect many people have them.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Louise Pfau
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2020 6:20 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Most recent versions of "Microsoft Edge" and "Google Chrome" crashing intermittently with NVDA

Hi. I've noticed that the most recent versions of "Microsoft Edge" and "Google Chrome" are intermittently crashing with the most recent version of NVDA. I can't predict when this will occur to provide information for replicating the issue. I'm running Windows 10 version 2004.

Thanks,

Louise

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