NVDA and Disqus
Pascal Lambert
Greetings, Please help. About a week ago, when I try to make a comment on www.breitbart.com, NVDA goes silent and does not read my comment. When I restart NVDA, it then reads the comment but it does not speak the letter when I move the cursor thus I am unable to edit. The website in question uses Disqus. I have making comments on Breitbart.com for a long time. This is very new. Thanks for any help. Blessings Pascal
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Re: Question about NVDA modes
hurrikennyandopo ...
Hi
The following page might help you if you are coming from another screen reader.
it can be found at https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda-community/wiki/FAQ
By the way if you looking in the user guide about section 5 to 6 it should answer some of those other questions. Gene nz
On 27/08/2020 10:35 am, Raja Dodia
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Question about NVDA modes
Raja Dodia
Hello everyone. My name is Roman. I hope that everyone is safe. I am confused about NVDA's modes. How do I use the mode perfectly? What are the commands? Respectfully, Roman.
Sent from Mail for Windows 10
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Re: Access regarding email with quotations and screen readers, NVDA, in this case
So, if I'm understanding correctly, successive uses of the Q command when viewing HTML (which is the type of e-mail presented with block quotes) this will take you to the start of the next block quote and, once you're in that block quote, the use of the comma command will jump you out of it to the new material that follows it?
That would be particularly handy, since the SHIFT+ commands for each of those things would allow ease of jumping back and forth between the two if you needed to jump back to check something. Thanks to those who've been kind enough to respond. If anyone knows of analogous commands in other screen readers, if they differ from what NVDA uses, would you please mention what those are. Even though this is an NVDA group, knowledge of analogous commands across screen readers is always helpful, and requires only a quick mention of what those are if they're different (or just that they're the same). -- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041 A gentleman is one who never hurts anyone's feelings unintentionally. ~ Oscar Wilde
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Re: Access regarding email with quotations and screen readers, NVDA, in this case
Rob Hudson
It's called a block quote. Most screen readers have a hot key for it, usually the letter q.
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In NVDA, press comma, and it jumps out of the container--in this case, a block quote.
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From: "Brian Vogel" <britechguy@gmail.com> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2020 14:37:48 -0700 Subject: [nvda] Access regarding email with quotations and screen readers, NVDA, in this case I don't know whether this is something NVDA (or any screen reader) should address, or if the issue should be solved elsewhere, but a screen reader then able to pick up the change.
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Re: Windows OneCore voices don't appear correctly in the list of synthesizers
Louise Pfau
Hi Joseph. Sorry about that. I've already tried to send the log. Thanks for the information about JAWS.
Louise
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Re: Windows OneCore voices don't appear correctly in the list of synthesizers
Hi, No need to send the log to me as the issue was resolved. As for JAWS 16, to digress a bit, I recommend not using that anymore as JAWS 16 is no longer supported by Vispero in an active basis. Besides, JAWS 16 came out before Windows 10 made its public debut in July 2015 (JAWS 16 came out in 2014), so from a practical viewpoint, JAWS 16 is incompatible with Windows 10 – you will need at least JAWS 17 for slightly better functionality, and if using Windows 10 May 2020 Update, JAWS 2019 or later is a must. I won’t go into specific details as this is not a JAWS list (I can do so on a dedicated Windows 10 forum which I lead). Cheers, Joseph
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Louise Pfau
Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2020 3:03 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows OneCore voices don't appear correctly in the list of synthesizers
Hi Joseph. Unchecking the "Compatibility for" checkbox fixed the issue. I also did that with JAWS 16. The Microsoft disability answer desk agent had checked both boxes in an attempt to resolve the issue of Microsoft Edge and Google Chrom crashing with JAWS and NVDA. I'll report the conflit with the synthesizers to them. In the meantime, I'll try to send you the complete NVDA log privately again.
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Re: Windows OneCore voices don't appear correctly in the list of synthesizers
Louise Pfau
Hi Joseph. Unchecking the "Compatibility for" checkbox fixed the issue. I also did that with JAWS 16. The Microsoft disability answer desk agent had checked both boxes in an attempt to resolve the issue of Microsoft Edge and Google Chrom crashing with JAWS and NVDA. I'll report the conflit with the synthesizers to them. In the meantime, I'll try to send you the complete NVDA log privately again.
Thanks, Louise
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Re: Access regarding email with quotations and screen readers, NVDA, in this case
Tyler Spivey
On 8/26/2020 2:37 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
I have never found a way for a screen reader user to do "direct jumps"I use Thunderbird, and it turns quotes into block quotes. I can hit , to skip to the end of them. There used to be a setting to turn it off and leave the >, but it doesn't seem to work anymore.
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Re: NVDA read-to-end
David Goldfield
Hi. While Espeak does ship with NVDA the default synthesizer is
Windows Onecore from Microsoft. Are you actually using the Espeak
voices or the Onecore voices? David Goldfield, Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist JAWS Certified, 2019 WWW.DavidGoldfield.org On 8/26/2020 3:44 PM, Hettie wrote:
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Access regarding email with quotations and screen readers, NVDA, in this case
I don't know whether this is something NVDA (or any screen reader) should address, or if the issue should be solved elsewhere, but a screen reader then able to pick up the change.
It is very, very common practice for e-mail conversations to take on a "quote, reply, quote, reply, quote, reply" format. This is all the more true when a very long exchange is taking place, involving multiple participants, and it would be entirely unclear what was being responded to without retaining something from a prior message or messages to set the stage. In "the old days" of plain text email, quotation was indicated by the presence of the greater than character, >, at the beginning of a line and the number of greater thans indicated how many times something had been quoted, as there are often quotes that quote previous quotes. While this certainly worked, it was visually very messy as quote depth increased. Now in the age of HTML e-mail, the use of characters to indicate quotation has gone by the wayside and now visual bars are used in much the same manner. They're semi-transparent and for each requotation another bar appears, so if someone had quoted someone else who had already quoted someone before them, there would be three bars stacked, to show who quoted what. In any event, for those of us who can see, we are able to scan the page visually and jump almost instantly to the new material that resides beneath each quote sequence after reading whatever portion of the quoted material they need to in order to get themselves up to speed before reading that new material. I have never found a way for a screen reader user to do "direct jumps" to new material with a screen reader. Screen readers don't seem to differentiate in any meaningful way between quoted and fresh material, and give screen reader users a way to jump between chunks of that fresh material when they wish to do so. Am I missing something? Is there already a way this can be done with ease? If there is, I don't know what it is and I have plenty of evidence that most screen reader users don't, either, even those who've been using them for a very, very long time. If there isn't, is there some roadblock to making a screen reader able to recognize where quoted text ends and new material begins? Since there has to be something behind the scenes that creates those bar structures that I see, I have to believe that a screen reader has access to that same information, and that it would be relatively simply (note, relatively) to create a keyboard shortcut that causes all quoted material to be skipped and focus thrown to the first word of the unquoted material after it. I've been using e-mail since the 1980s, and I can say without question that the custom in the blind community of putting all new content at the top is not even close to universal. And given how well a "quote response quote response" format is for sighted email users, it's never going to go away. It seems there should be some way for screen reader users to do the rough equivalent of reading whatever part of the quoted material they might wish, but after having heard it being able to jump instantly past any that follows where they've stopped and go straight to the new material beneath the quote. I know that there are a number of regulars here who are NVDA developers, add-on developers, or similarly positioned to have a lot of insight about this, so I'm asking. -- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041 A gentleman is one who never hurts anyone's feelings unintentionally. ~ Oscar Wilde
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Re: Accessible note taking apps
Sean
Google Keep has been great. Thank you for your help.
On 24/08/2020 23:23, Arlene wrote:
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Re: Problems with capslock as NVDA modifier
Gene
When the caps lock key is activated here, I gget a message saying caps lock on. I get a message saying caps lock off when I turn it off. I'm not sure why you aren't hearing a message. Also, NVDA emits a sound if the caps lock is on and you type a carachter holding down the shift key to alert you that it is on in case it is unintentionally on.
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I'll say this though I imagine you know it, but not knowing what you know, I don't want to assume. Be careful not to press the key twice quickly, since that turns caps lock on and off. If you don't hear the beep I described nor hear any spoken announcement, I'm not sure why, but let the list know. Gene
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From: Janet Brandly Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2020 2:03 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: [nvda] Problems with capslock as NVDA modifier Hello all, I am using the latest NVDA with Windows 10 2004 on a laptop. I have the capslock set as the NVDA modifier. Occasionally the capslock key will activate and I end up typing in all caps. I have no way of knowing this. I’ve checked the NVDA settings to be sure the capslock is set as the modifier and it is. Any suggestions? Thanks, Janet
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Re: Problems with capslock as NVDA modifier
Chris
accidently hitting the caps lock key twice will enable caps lock
but you could try the setting: under settings > ease of access > keyboard > Ignore brief or repeated keystrokes and change keyboard repeat rates and enable it
From: Janet Brandly
Sent: 26 August 2020 20:03 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: [nvda] Problems with capslock as NVDA modifier
Hello all,
I am using the latest NVDA with Windows 10 2004 on a laptop. I have the capslock set as the NVDA modifier. Occasionally the capslock key will activate and I end up typing in all caps. I have no way of knowing this. I’ve checked the NVDA settings to be sure the capslock is set as the modifier and it is. Any suggestions?
Thanks,
Janet
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Re: NVDA read-to-end
Hettie
David Thanks for the reply. I use the synthesizer that comes with nvda, think it is Espeak.
Hettie
On 2020/08/25 11:25 pm, David Goldfield
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Re: Problems with capslock as NVDA modifier
Jackie
Janet, go to your keyboard settings in NVDA (NVDA + control + k), & tab to:
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"Beep if typing lowercase letters when caps lock is on" Make certain that box is checked, & press ok. At that point, you should hear a beep when you press the shift key & caps lock is on already.
On 8/26/20, Janet Brandly <jbrandly@shaw.ca> wrote:
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Problems with capslock as NVDA modifier
Janet Brandly
Hello all,
I am using the latest NVDA with Windows 10 2004 on a laptop. I have the capslock set as the NVDA modifier. Occasionally the capslock key will activate and I end up typing in all caps. I have no way of knowing this. I’ve checked the NVDA settings to be sure the capslock is set as the modifier and it is. Any suggestions?
Thanks,
Janet
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Issue with ObjPad and activation of objects which are reported as being off screen
Amir
Folks, I have an application which requires the invaluable ObjPad add-on for proper interaction. However, as I move through its objects in the ObjectNav mode, via the Right Arrow, and reach a certain point in the tree of objects, each press of Insert+5 indicates that the object is off screen. That means the objects which are off screen can't be activated or selected by pressing Space, Enter or NVDA+Enter. Interestingly, the objects which aren't off screen and are located before the first off-screen object don't exhibit this issue.
So my question is how we can force ObjPad or NVDA to move the focus to these objects for activation. I've tried NVDA+NumPadDivide but it doesn't work for off-screen objects either. Other ObjPad modes don't work with these objects as far as their activation is concerned. Cheers, Amir
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Re: Python Anywhere and NVDA
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On 8/21/2020 5:54 PM, Cearbhall
O'Meadhra wrote:
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Re: NVDA read-to-end
Gene
Here is something you can try. I don't know if it will work in Libre Office but see if this is a good work around. It works in Word10 Starter. I don't know the laptop command. The desktop command is shift numpad insert numpad minus, the rightmost key on the top row of the numpad. In other words, hold shift and numpad insert and while doing so, press numpad minus. If you press it twice, it moves the carret to the focus of the object navigator. Be in object navigation mode. This won't work if you don't.
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If you are inn object navigation, the entire document you open is seen by NVDA as one object. You can read from beginning to end with object navigation commands. To test whether this procedure works, do the following using laptop keyboard commands if you are using a laptop. I don't know them; I'll give the desktop commands. Open a document. Start reading with read to end of navigator object, numpad plus. See if the document reads without interruption. If you want to move to where you stop reading, the navigator will be there but if you want to work with the document and move the carret there, issue the command I gave earlier, shift num;pad insert numpad minus. Issue it twice quickly. You can keep holding the shift but when you issue it quickly, you must release all the other keys including numpad insert. that will move the cursor to where the navigator is, in other words, to where you stopped reading. See if this work around works in Libre Office. Gene
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From: Quentin Christensen Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2020 11:47 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA read-to-end FIrstly Leslie, No, we haven't changed anything from our end, you should be able to press NVDA+A (Laptop keyboard layout) or NVDA+down arrow (desktop keyboard layout) to say all, in a document, a web page or an email. Now as for what is happening, as Gene mentioned, a log would help, ideally at Debug level, and ideally with add-ons disabled (do you have any add-ons?) Looking through our issues I found: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/10852 about say all in Firefox or Wordpad which was resolved by the user running the COM registration fixing tool. To do that, press NVDA+N, then press T for tools, then down arrow to "Run COM registration fixing tool" and press ENTER. There are a handful of other closed issues which were either from using broken add-ons, or illegal ones, or other things which have been fixed and merged in NVDA 2019.3 and earlier. One which is still open is https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/4119 which is an issue in Libre Office at least. Last time I looked at this issue, the workaround I found which resolved it, was when you open a document in Libre Office, press CONTROL+END to jump to the very bottom of the document, then CONTROL+HOME to come back to the top, then say all should work. I just tested and it looks like that issue is still present in Libre Office 6.3.0.4 using the latest NVDA alpha. That isn't isn't in WordPad to my knowledge however. As far as I know, that is caused by a bug in Libre Office and has pretty much always been there. I just update to Libre Office 7.0.0 and it still behaves the same. Quentin. On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 1:31 PM Leslie <soundsofmusic@san.rr.com> wrote: Unless I press NVDA plus A I can never read a full email. This just started with the newest update. If I want to skip down through a long message I need to press control plus down arrow. If I don’t press those keys, I can’t keep moving through the email. I thought something I did to my computer did this until someone else in the class I’m taking had the same problem and we both have NVDA. Is this a bug or is this the way you want as a new NVDA. Thing? I couldn’t find it in the commands. Sent from Mail for Windows 10 -- Quentin Christensen Training and Support Manager Web: www.nvaccess.org Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/ Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/ User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess Twitter: @NVAccess
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