FIrstly Leslie,

No, we haven't changed anything from our end, you should be able to press NVDA+A (Laptop keyboard layout) or NVDA+down arrow (desktop keyboard layout) to say all, in a document, a web page or an email.

Now as for what is happening, as Gene mentioned, a log would help, ideally at Debug level, and ideally with add-ons disabled (do you have any add-ons?)

Looking through our issues I found: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/10852 about say all in Firefox or Wordpad which was resolved by the user running the COM registration fixing tool.  To do that, press NVDA+N, then press T for tools, then down arrow to "Run COM registration fixing tool" and press ENTER.

There are a handful of other closed issues which were either from using broken add-ons, or illegal ones, or other things which have been fixed and merged in NVDA 2019.3 and earlier.

One which is still open is https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/4119 which is an issue in Libre Office at least.  Last time I looked at this issue, the workaround I found which resolved it, was when you open a document in Libre Office, press CONTROL+END to jump to the very bottom of the document, then CONTROL+HOME to come back to the top, then say all should work.

I just tested and it looks like that issue is still present in Libre Office 6.3.0.4 using the latest NVDA alpha.  That isn't isn't in WordPad to my knowledge however.  As far as I know, that is caused by a bug in Libre Office and has pretty much always been there.

I just update to Libre Office 7.0.0 and it still behaves the same.

Quentin.

On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 1:31 PM Leslie <soundsofmusic@...> wrote:

Unless I press NVDA plus A I can never read a full email.  This just started with the newest update.  If I want to skip down through a long message I need to press control plus down arrow.  If I don’t press those keys, I can’t keep moving through the email.  I thought something I did to my computer did this until someone else in the class I’m taking had the same problem and we both have NVDA.  Is this a bug or is this the way you want as a new NVDA. Thing?  I couldn’t find it in the commands.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

--

Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Web: www.nvaccess.org 

Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/

User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda

Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess

-----Original Message-----
From: Quentin Christensen
Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2020 9:18 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Capslock as modifier


It should still beep when typing a lowercase letter with caps lock on - so if you have double pressed the caps lock key and caps lock is on. If you then press SHIFT and type a letter (which will come out lowercase) NVDA will beep.

In NVDA'S speech settings there is an option "Beep for capitals". With that on whenever you arrow to a capital or type a capital letter, NVDA will beep, however it only does this when reading the letter, so it only reads when typing, if speak typed characters is enabled.

Quentin.


On Thu, Aug 27, 2020 at 10:54 AM Janet Brandly <jbrandly@shaw.ca> wrote:


To add to my last note, although I have the box checked in the keyboard settings to let me know if capital keys are being typed when I want lower case, that’s not working. I’ve got it set to say words as I type them, so perhaps that is the problem? I really don’t need to hear each character.











--

Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager


Web: www.nvaccess.org
Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/
User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess

On 8/26/20, Janet Brandly <jbrandly@shaw.ca> wrote:

To add to my last note, although I have the box checked in the keyboard
settings to let me know if capital keys are being typed when I want lower
case, that's not working. I've got it set to say words as I type them, so
perhaps that is the problem? I really don't need to hear each character.

-----Original Message-----
From: Pascal Lambert
Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2020 7:10 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA and Disqus



Greetings,

Please help. About a week ago, when I try to make a comment on www.breitbart.com, NVDA goes silent and does not read my comment. When I restart NVDA, it then reads the comment but it does not speak the letter when I move the cursor thus I am unable to edit. The website in question uses Disqus. I have making comments on Breitbart.com for a long time. This is very new.

Thanks for any help.

Blessings

Pascal

Hello everyone. My name is Roman. I hope that everyone is safe. I am confused about NVDA's modes. How do I use the mode perfectly? What are the commands?

Respectfully, Roman.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Vogel" <britechguy@gmail.com>
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2020 14:37:48 -0700
Subject: [nvda] Access regarding email with quotations and screen readers, NVDA, in this case

I don't know whether this is something NVDA (or any screen reader) should address, or if the issue should be solved elsewhere, but a screen reader then able to pick up the change.

It is very, very common practice for e-mail conversations to take on a "quote, reply, quote, reply, quote, reply" format.  This is all the more true when a very long exchange is taking place, involving multiple participants, and it would be entirely unclear what was being responded to without retaining something from a prior message or messages to set the stage.

In "the old days" of plain text email, quotation was indicated by the presence of the greater than character, >, at the beginning of a line and the number of greater thans indicated how many times something had been quoted, as there are often quotes that quote previous quotes.  While this certainly worked, it was visually very messy as quote depth increased.

Now in the age of HTML e-mail, the use of characters to indicate quotation has gone by the wayside and now visual bars are used in much the same manner.  They're semi-transparent and for each requotation another bar appears, so if someone had quoted someone else who had already quoted someone before them, there would be three bars stacked, to show who quoted what.

In any event, for those of us who can see, we are able to scan the page visually and jump almost instantly to the new material that resides beneath each quote sequence after reading whatever portion of the quoted material they need to in order to get themselves up to speed before reading that new material.

I have never found a way for a screen reader user to do "direct jumps" to new material with a screen reader.  Screen readers don't seem to differentiate in any meaningful way between quoted and fresh material, and give screen reader users a way to jump between chunks of that fresh material when they wish to do so.

Am I missing something?   Is there already a way this can be done with ease?  If there is, I don't know what it is and I have plenty of evidence that most screen reader users don't, either, even those who've been using them for a very, very long time.

If there isn't, is there some roadblock to making a screen reader able to recognize where quoted text ends and new material begins?  Since there has to be something behind the scenes that creates those bar structures that I see, I have to believe that a screen reader has access to that same information, and that it would be relatively simply (note, relatively) to create a keyboard shortcut that causes all quoted material to be skipped and focus thrown to the first word of the unquoted material after it.

I've been using e-mail since the 1980s, and I can say without question that the custom in the blind community of putting all new content at the top is not even close to universal.  And given how well a "quote response quote response" format is for sighted email users, it's never going to go away.  It seems there should be some way for screen reader users to do the rough equivalent of reading whatever part of the quoted material they might wish, but after having heard it being able to jump instantly past any that follows where they've stopped and go straight to the new material beneath the quote.

I know that there are a number of regulars here who are NVDA developers, add-on developers, or similarly positioned to have a lot of insight about this, so I'm asking.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041

A gentleman is one who never hurts anyone's feelings unintentionally.

~ Oscar Wilde

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Louise Pfau
Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2020 3:03 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows OneCore voices don't appear correctly in the list of synthesizers

 

Hi Joseph.  Unchecking the "Compatibility for" checkbox fixed the issue.  I also did that with JAWS 16.  The Microsoft disability answer desk agent had checked both boxes in an attempt to resolve the issue of Microsoft Edge and Google Chrom crashing with JAWS and NVDA.  I'll report the conflit with the synthesizers to them.  In the meantime, I'll try to send you the complete NVDA log privately again.

Thanks,

Louise

David

Thanks for the reply. I use the synthesizer that comes with nvda, think it is Espeak.

Hettie

On 2020/08/25 11:25 pm, David Goldfield wrote:

Hettie,

First, I do recall encountering this issue with LibreOffice but this was many years ago. I'll give it a try with NVDA 2020.2 with LibreOffice 7.0, which was recently released. Also, which synthesizer are you using? I ask because Acapela recently released a new version of its NVDA driver which they report corrects a read all issue although they did not go into specifics as to what the problem actually was.

David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
www.DavidGoldfield.org

On 8/25/2020 2:23 PM, Hettie wrote:

Hi Quintin

After trying the read-to-end in thunderbird and wordpad it seems to be a problem with LibreOffice. I can't upgrade to Microsoft Office 10 and tried LibreOffice  as an alternative as it has a word processor as well as a spread sheet unction. Wordpad can perform all I need but I need another program that can read and work with Excel, anyone has ideas of what other accessible software I can use?

Thanks

Hettie

 

On 2020/08/25 6:54 am, Quentin Christensen wrote:

Are you using NVDA in desktop keyboard layout or laptop keyboard layout?  NVDA+down arrow is the Desktop layout keystroke to read to end.  NVDA+a is the laptop keyboard layout shortcut.

To make it a bit more confusing, NVDA+down arrow, in laptop keyboard layout, moves the review cursor to the next line, so if you are in laptop layout and press that keystroke, it will seem like you've entered the read to end command and NVDA is simply reading the next line down and then stopping.

If you are definitely in desktop keyboard layout and NVDA is stopping partway through a paragraph, could you please give a bit more information about the exact program you are in or where it does and does not work?

Kind regards

Quentin.

Quentin.

On Sun, Aug 23, 2020 at 4:27 AM Hettie <woehler.hettie@...> wrote:

Hi all

Sorry, I didn't pay attention when this topic was discussed in earlier posts as I haven't come accross that problem then.

Now however I do experience nvda reading to the end of the paragraph when pressing the nvda + down-arrow keys. Unfortunately I haven't seen a post with the solution. Can you please help ?

Thanks.

Hettie

On 2020/08/21 2:25 pm, Ralf Kefferpuetz wrote:

Hello,

Go to the NVDA icon in the systray by pressing Windows-B (on your Mac keyboard Option-B), hit the letter N until you come to NVDA and press Enter

 

Cheers,

  Ralf

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Hicks Steven (CORNWALL IT SERVICES) via groups.io
Sent: Freitag, 21. August 2020 13:54
To: NVDA@NVDA.Groups.IO
Subject: [nvda] NVDA Menu

 

Hi friends,

 

I Have installed NVDA on a machine which has a bluetooth keyboard and I can’t find the insert key, not sure if it has one, it is the Apple style layout.

I Need to bring up the NVDA menu to go in to the options and change the keyboard layout to be laptop but I can’t perform an instert+n, does anyone know of another way to bring up the NVDA menu please?

 

********************************************************************************************************************

This message may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient please inform the
sender that you have received the message in error before deleting it.
Please do not disclose, copy or distribute information in this e-mail or take any action in relation to its contents. To do so is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. Thank you for your co-operation.

NHSmail is the secure email and directory service available for all NHS staff in England and Scotland. NHSmail is approved for exchanging patient data and other sensitive information with NHSmail and other accredited email services.

For more information and to find out how you can switch, https://portal.nhs.net/help/joiningnhsmail

Virus-free. www.avg.com

--

Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Web: www.nvaccess.org 

Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/

User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda

Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess