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Re: Capslock as modifier

Quentin Christensen
 

It should still beep when typing a lowercase letter with caps lock on - so if you have double pressed the caps lock key and caps lock is on.  If you then press SHIFT and type a letter (which will come out lowercase) NVDA will beep.

In NVDA'S speech settings there is an option "Beep for capitals".  With that on whenever you arrow to a capital or type a capital letter, NVDA will beep, however it only does this when reading the letter, so it only reads when typing, if speak typed characters is enabled.

Quentin.

On Thu, Aug 27, 2020 at 10:54 AM Janet Brandly <jbrandly@...> wrote:

To add to my last note, although I have the box checked in the keyboard settings to let me know if capital keys are being typed when I want lower case, that’s not working. I’ve got it set to say words as I type them, so perhaps that is the problem? I really don’t need to hear each character.



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Re: Capslock as modifier

Jackie
 

I have mine set to words as well.

On 8/26/20, Janet Brandly <jbrandly@shaw.ca> wrote:
To add to my last note, although I have the box checked in the keyboard
settings to let me know if capital keys are being typed when I want lower
case, that's not working. I've got it set to say words as I type them, so
perhaps that is the problem? I really don't need to hear each character.




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NVDA stalling/crashing

Justin Harford
 




Hello everyone

I am dealing with a difficult situation. I just installed to the latest version of NVDA. This was an update from a much earlier version, as I delayed updating since there was not a compatible version of the dictation bridge at the time.

my vocalizer plug-in stopped working. I went to the tiflotechnia website to download the latest version of the plug-in, which after I installed it, said it was not compatible. I then completely removed the vocalizer plugging along with the synthesizers.

When I was trying to use the screen reader with e speak, it randomly would crash. I would go into fire fox, type in a search, the results would load and I would start trying to navigate through the headings and we get no response. I would press alt tab, and no response. 

I then uninstalled the screen reader bygoing into the settings, under applications, and clicking uninstall. I assume that activates the same uninstall file in the program files folder. At this point I was using narrator.

 I restarted the computer,  And ran the installer again. When the installation was complete, I was having the same issues. I am not past this point now. Whenever I try to run NVDA, It quickly goes silent after a simple task like bringing up the run dialogue and attempting to type something in. The speech becomes unresponsive, though I can still tab around the applications and open the start menu. 

Can somebody help?
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Re: NVDA and Disqus

 

Disqus is very widely used, so at this point since the comments/discussion bit has been identified, I will be curious if anyone else using any other site that also employs Disqus for its comments is encountering the same issue, and with onset at the same time, or not so.  That would help to further narrow the scope.
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Re: NVDA and Disqus

Gene
 

NVDA and DisqusI don't use the site. Do you need to register to leave comments? Aside from that, I can give you a work around. Write your comment in Notepad and then copy it to the clipboard. Paste it into gthe comment area. Unload and run NVDA again and make sure it is as you want it, then send it. I've seen some multiline edit fields on web sites that don't allow you to see what you've written properly or efficiently and that is the method I use in such cases.

I agree with Brian that the ;problem is likely a change on the web site. While possible that NVDA has become corrupted, it is unlikely, particularly since you don't complain about other edit fields and since problems with multiline edit fields are somewhat commohn..

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Pascal Lambert
Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2020 7:10 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA and Disqus



Greetings,

Please help. About a week ago, when I try to make a comment on www.breitbart.com, NVDA goes silent and does not read my comment. When I restart NVDA, it then reads the comment but it does not speak the letter when I move the cursor thus I am unable to edit. The website in question uses Disqus. I have making comments on Breitbart.com for a long time. This is very new.

Thanks for any help.

Blessings

Pascal


Capslock as modifier

Janet Brandly
 

To add to my last note, although I have the box checked in the keyboard settings to let me know if capital keys are being typed when I want lower case, that’s not working. I’ve got it set to say words as I type them, so perhaps that is the problem? I really don’t need to hear each character.


Capslock as modifier

Janet Brandly
 

Hello all,

 

I seem to have solved my problem of having the capslock activated accidentally. I’m learning some new software so this is probably what happened. At least I know how to check its status now.

 

Janet


NVDA and Disqus

Pascal Lambert
 

Greetings,

Please help.  About a week ago, when I try to make a comment on www.breitbart.com, NVDA goes silent and does not read my comment.  When I restart NVDA, it then reads the comment but it does not speak the letter when I move the cursor thus I am unable to edit.  The website in question uses Disqus.  I have making comments on Breitbart.com for a long time.  This is very new.

Thanks for any help.

Blessings

Pascal


Re: Question about NVDA modes

hurrikennyandopo ...
 

Hi


The following page might help you if you are coming from another screen reader.


it can be found at https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda-community/wiki/FAQ




By the way if you looking in the user guide about section  5 to 6 it should answer some of those other questions.

Gene nz


On 27/08/2020 10:35 am, Raja Dodia wrote:

Hello everyone. My name is Roman. I hope that everyone is safe. I am confused about NVDA's modes. How do I use the mode perfectly? What are the commands?

Respectfully, Roman.

 

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Question about NVDA modes

Raja Dodia
 

Hello everyone. My name is Roman. I hope that everyone is safe. I am confused about NVDA's modes. How do I use the mode perfectly? What are the commands?

Respectfully, Roman.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


Re: Access regarding email with quotations and screen readers, NVDA, in this case

 

So, if I'm understanding correctly, successive uses of the Q command when viewing HTML (which is the type of e-mail presented with block quotes) this will take you to the start of the next block quote and, once you're in that block quote, the use of the comma command will jump you out of it to the new material that follows it?

That would be particularly handy, since the SHIFT+ commands for each of those things would allow ease of jumping back and forth between the two if you needed to jump back to check something.

Thanks to those who've been kind enough to respond.   If anyone knows of analogous commands in other screen readers, if they differ from what NVDA uses, would you please mention what those are.  Even though this is an NVDA group, knowledge of analogous commands across screen readers is always helpful, and requires only a quick mention of what those are if they're different (or just that they're the same).
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Re: Access regarding email with quotations and screen readers, NVDA, in this case

Rob Hudson <rob_hudson3182@...>
 

It's called a block quote. Most screen readers have a hot key for it, usually the letter q.
In NVDA, press comma, and it jumps out of the container--in this case, a block quote.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Vogel" <britechguy@gmail.com>
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2020 14:37:48 -0700
Subject: [nvda] Access regarding email with quotations and screen readers, NVDA, in this case

I don't know whether this is something NVDA (or any screen reader) should address, or if the issue should be solved elsewhere, but a screen reader then able to pick up the change.

It is very, very common practice for e-mail conversations to take on a "quote, reply, quote, reply, quote, reply" format. This is all the more true when a very long exchange is taking place, involving multiple participants, and it would be entirely unclear what was being responded to without retaining something from a prior message or messages to set the stage.

In "the old days" of plain text email, quotation was indicated by the presence of the greater than character, >, at the beginning of a line and the number of greater thans indicated how many times something had been quoted, as there are often quotes that quote previous quotes. While this certainly worked, it was visually very messy as quote depth increased.

Now in the age of HTML e-mail, the use of characters to indicate quotation has gone by the wayside and now visual bars are used in much the same manner. They're semi-transparent and for each requotation another bar appears, so if someone had quoted someone else who had already quoted someone before them, there would be three bars stacked, to show who quoted what.

In any event, for those of us who can see, we are able to scan the page visually and jump almost instantly to the new material that resides beneath each quote sequence after reading whatever portion of the quoted material they need to in order to get themselves up to speed before reading that new material.

I have never found a way for a screen reader user to do "direct jumps" to new material with a screen reader. Screen readers don't seem to differentiate in any meaningful way between quoted and fresh material, and give screen reader users a way to jump between chunks of that fresh material when they wish to do so.

Am I missing something? Is there already a way this can be done with ease? If there is, I don't know what it is and I have plenty of evidence that most screen reader users don't, either, even those who've been using them for a very, very long time.

If there isn't, is there some roadblock to making a screen reader able to recognize where quoted text ends and new material begins? Since there has to be something behind the scenes that creates those bar structures that I see, I have to believe that a screen reader has access to that same information, and that it would be relatively simply (note, relatively) to create a keyboard shortcut that causes all quoted material to be skipped and focus thrown to the first word of the unquoted material after it.

I've been using e-mail since the 1980s, and I can say without question that the custom in the blind community of putting all new content at the top is not even close to universal. And given how well a "quote response quote response" format is for sighted email users, it's never going to go away. It seems there should be some way for screen reader users to do the rough equivalent of reading whatever part of the quoted material they might wish, but after having heard it being able to jump instantly past any that follows where they've stopped and go straight to the new material beneath the quote.

I know that there are a number of regulars here who are NVDA developers, add-on developers, or similarly positioned to have a lot of insight about this, so I'm asking.

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Re: Windows OneCore voices don't appear correctly in the list of synthesizers

Louise Pfau
 

Hi Joseph.  Sorry about that.  I've already tried to send the log.  Thanks for the information about JAWS.

Louise


Re: Windows OneCore voices don't appear correctly in the list of synthesizers

 

Hi,

No need to send the log to me as the issue was resolved.

As for JAWS 16, to digress a bit, I recommend not using that anymore as JAWS 16 is no longer supported by Vispero in an active basis. Besides, JAWS 16 came out before Windows 10 made its public debut in July 2015 (JAWS 16 came out in 2014), so from a practical viewpoint, JAWS 16 is incompatible with Windows 10 – you will need at least JAWS 17 for slightly better functionality, and if using Windows 10 May 2020 Update, JAWS 2019 or later is a must. I won’t go into specific details as this is not a JAWS list (I can do so on a dedicated Windows 10 forum which I lead).

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Louise Pfau
Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2020 3:03 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows OneCore voices don't appear correctly in the list of synthesizers

 

Hi Joseph.  Unchecking the "Compatibility for" checkbox fixed the issue.  I also did that with JAWS 16.  The Microsoft disability answer desk agent had checked both boxes in an attempt to resolve the issue of Microsoft Edge and Google Chrom crashing with JAWS and NVDA.  I'll report the conflit with the synthesizers to them.  In the meantime, I'll try to send you the complete NVDA log privately again.

Thanks,

Louise


Re: Windows OneCore voices don't appear correctly in the list of synthesizers

Louise Pfau
 

Hi Joseph.  Unchecking the "Compatibility for" checkbox fixed the issue.  I also did that with JAWS 16.  The Microsoft disability answer desk agent had checked both boxes in an attempt to resolve the issue of Microsoft Edge and Google Chrom crashing with JAWS and NVDA.  I'll report the conflit with the synthesizers to them.  In the meantime, I'll try to send you the complete NVDA log privately again.

Thanks,

Louise


Re: Access regarding email with quotations and screen readers, NVDA, in this case

Tyler Spivey
 

On 8/26/2020 2:37 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
I have never found a way for a screen reader user to do "direct jumps"
to new material with a screen reader.  Screen readers don't seem to
differentiate in any meaningful way between quoted and fresh material,
and give screen reader users a way to jump between chunks of that fresh
material when they wish to do so.

Am I missing something?   Is there already a way this can be done with
ease?  If there is, I don't know what it is and I have plenty of
evidence that most screen reader users don't, either, even those who've
been using them for a very, very long time.
I use Thunderbird, and it turns quotes into block quotes.
I can hit , to skip to the end of them. There used to be a setting to
turn it off and leave the >, but it doesn't seem to work anymore.


Re: NVDA read-to-end

David Goldfield
 

Hi. While Espeak does ship with NVDA the default synthesizer is Windows Onecore from Microsoft. Are you actually using the Espeak voices or the Onecore voices?

David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
JAWS Certified, 2019

WWW.DavidGoldfield.org
On 8/26/2020 3:44 PM, Hettie wrote:

David

Thanks for the reply. I use the synthesizer that comes with nvda, think it is Espeak.


Hettie


On 2020/08/25 11:25 pm, David Goldfield wrote:

Hettie,

First, I do recall encountering this issue with LibreOffice but this was many years ago. I'll give it a try with NVDA 2020.2 with LibreOffice 7.0, which was recently released. Also, which synthesizer are you using? I ask because Acapela recently released a new version of its NVDA driver which they report corrects a read all issue although they did not go into specifics as to what the problem actually was.


David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
www.DavidGoldfield.org
On 8/25/2020 2:23 PM, Hettie wrote:

Hi Quintin

After trying the read-to-end in thunderbird and wordpad it seems to be a problem with LibreOffice. I can't upgrade to Microsoft Office 10 and tried LibreOffice  as an alternative as it has a word processor as well as a spread sheet unction. Wordpad can perform all I need but I need another program that can read and work with Excel, anyone has ideas of what other accessible software I can use?


Thanks


Hettie

 

On 2020/08/25 6:54 am, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Are you using NVDA in desktop keyboard layout or laptop keyboard layout?  NVDA+down arrow is the Desktop layout keystroke to read to end.  NVDA+a is the laptop keyboard layout shortcut.

To make it a bit more confusing, NVDA+down arrow, in laptop keyboard layout, moves the review cursor to the next line, so if you are in laptop layout and press that keystroke, it will seem like you've entered the read to end command and NVDA is simply reading the next line down and then stopping.

If you are definitely in desktop keyboard layout and NVDA is stopping partway through a paragraph, could you please give a bit more information about the exact program you are in or where it does and does not work?

Kind regards

Quentin.
Quentin.

On Sun, Aug 23, 2020 at 4:27 AM Hettie <woehler.hettie@...> wrote:

Hi all

Sorry, I didn't pay attention when this topic was discussed in earlier posts as I haven't come accross that problem then.

Now however I do experience nvda reading to the end of the paragraph when pressing the nvda + down-arrow keys. Unfortunately I haven't seen a post with the solution. Can you please help ?

Thanks.


Hettie



On 2020/08/21 2:25 pm, Ralf Kefferpuetz wrote:

Hello,

Go to the NVDA icon in the systray by pressing Windows-B (on your Mac keyboard Option-B), hit the letter N until you come to NVDA and press Enter

 

Cheers,

  Ralf

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Hicks Steven (CORNWALL IT SERVICES) via groups.io
Sent: Freitag, 21. August 2020 13:54
To: NVDA@NVDA.Groups.IO
Subject: [nvda] NVDA Menu

 

Hi friends,

 

I Have installed NVDA on a machine which has a bluetooth keyboard and I can’t find the insert key, not sure if it has one, it is the Apple style layout.

I Need to bring up the NVDA menu to go in to the options and change the keyboard layout to be laptop but I can’t perform an instert+n, does anyone know of another way to bring up the NVDA menu please?

 



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Access regarding email with quotations and screen readers, NVDA, in this case

 

I don't know whether this is something NVDA (or any screen reader) should address, or if the issue should be solved elsewhere, but a screen reader then able to pick up the change.

It is very, very common practice for e-mail conversations to take on a "quote, reply, quote, reply, quote, reply" format.  This is all the more true when a very long exchange is taking place, involving multiple participants, and it would be entirely unclear what was being responded to without retaining something from a prior message or messages to set the stage.

In "the old days" of plain text email, quotation was indicated by the presence of the greater than character, >, at the beginning of a line and the number of greater thans indicated how many times something had been quoted, as there are often quotes that quote previous quotes.  While this certainly worked, it was visually very messy as quote depth increased.

Now in the age of HTML e-mail, the use of characters to indicate quotation has gone by the wayside and now visual bars are used in much the same manner.  They're semi-transparent and for each requotation another bar appears, so if someone had quoted someone else who had already quoted someone before them, there would be three bars stacked, to show who quoted what.

In any event, for those of us who can see, we are able to scan the page visually and jump almost instantly to the new material that resides beneath each quote sequence after reading whatever portion of the quoted material they need to in order to get themselves up to speed before reading that new material.

I have never found a way for a screen reader user to do "direct jumps" to new material with a screen reader.  Screen readers don't seem to differentiate in any meaningful way between quoted and fresh material, and give screen reader users a way to jump between chunks of that fresh material when they wish to do so.

Am I missing something?   Is there already a way this can be done with ease?  If there is, I don't know what it is and I have plenty of evidence that most screen reader users don't, either, even those who've been using them for a very, very long time.

If there isn't, is there some roadblock to making a screen reader able to recognize where quoted text ends and new material begins?  Since there has to be something behind the scenes that creates those bar structures that I see, I have to believe that a screen reader has access to that same information, and that it would be relatively simply (note, relatively) to create a keyboard shortcut that causes all quoted material to be skipped and focus thrown to the first word of the unquoted material after it. 

I've been using e-mail since the 1980s, and I can say without question that the custom in the blind community of putting all new content at the top is not even close to universal.  And given how well a "quote response quote response" format is for sighted email users, it's never going to go away.  It seems there should be some way for screen reader users to do the rough equivalent of reading whatever part of the quoted material they might wish, but after having heard it being able to jump instantly past any that follows where they've stopped and go straight to the new material beneath the quote.

I know that there are a number of regulars here who are NVDA developers, add-on developers, or similarly positioned to have a lot of insight about this, so I'm asking.

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Re: Accessible note taking apps

Sean
 

Google Keep has been great.

Thank you for your help.

On 24/08/2020 23:23, Arlene wrote:

Hi there: Why don’t you google it? I’m not sure when evernot came about. If you are still using xp and liking it. Just google it.  The reason I say this. People wil tell you that xp is too old and not secure enough.  If you know someone who will google it or you have some other device that you can use. Just google  your question. 

 

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From: zahra
Sent: August 24, 2020 3:25 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible note taking apps

 

does evernote support screen reader?

does it work on windows xp?

i need a program which i can write, or copy peist and have important

informations.

 

On 8/23/20, Sean <s.tolstoyevski@...> wrote:

> Submitted answers for writing plaintext / code / IDE.

> So yes, the built-in Notepad can be used to take notes.

> You may have created a good note-taking environment when you divide the

> topics into different folders.

> But people don't take notes that way. And this is not a portable method.

> You are reading an article on any website. You want to save the article

> somewhere. Perhaps there are sentences to underline.

> Nothing on the web is likely to stay the way you first found it. Some

> contents die. And those contents can be very important.

> This is why people use applications such as OneNote and Evernote.

> You can tag notes in those applications, you can save websites content ,

> and you can connect between notes...

> These features are not what notepad supports.

> And most of these apps also have a mobile app.

> This way, people can take new notes, update, delete, etc., even while on

> the go.

> If you know of such an application, please let me know.

> If there is still no note-taking application available, I'll write it in

> Golang.

> I can not believe this. Maybe I've tested 10 apps and none of them are

> compatible with screen readers. We are in the 21st century. It's so scary.

> On 23/08/2020 17:31, Akash Kakkar wrote:

>> Bro, what about accessibility? are they reasonably accessible?

>> 

>> On 8/23/2020 6:35 PM, Hope Williamson wrote:

>>> Hi, I use a service for saving links, which sounds like what your

>>> wanting to do, so you can go back and read them whenever you need to

>>> remember them. I use https://linklocker.co, but there are plenty of

>>> other services like this out there, such as https://pinboard.in.

>>> 

>>>    These are web-based services, but they both work extremely well.

>>> I've had success with using both of them at times.

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>> 

>> 

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Re: Problems with capslock as NVDA modifier

Gene
 

When the caps lock key is activated here, I gget a message saying caps lock on. I get a message saying caps lock off when I turn it off. I'm not sure why you aren't hearing a message. Also, NVDA emits a sound if the caps lock is on and you type a carachter holding down the shift key to alert you that it is on in case it is unintentionally on.

I'll say this though I imagine you know it, but not knowing what you know, I don't want to assume. Be careful not to press the key twice quickly, since that turns caps lock on and off.

If you don't hear the beep I described nor hear any spoken announcement, I'm not sure why, but let the list know.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Janet Brandly
Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2020 2:03 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Problems with capslock as NVDA modifier



Hello all,



I am using the latest NVDA with Windows 10 2004 on a laptop. I have the capslock set as the NVDA modifier. Occasionally the capslock key will activate and I end up typing in all caps. I have no way of knowing this. I’ve checked the NVDA settings to be sure the capslock is set as the modifier and it is. Any suggestions?



Thanks,



Janet

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