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Re: VPN services accessible with NVDA using Google Chrome or Firefox under Windows 10

Stephen
 

IF you don't like express vpn's interface, you can use open-VPN with it instead.
There are some instructions on how to use it on express vpn's website.
 
 
 

----- Original Message -----
From: Dennis Clark <dennis@...>
Sent: 9/2/2020 3:25:39 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] VPN services accessible with NVDA using Google Chrome or Firefox under Windows 10

Hello Giles,

This is very helpful information. This is one of the most popular VPN services, but I am not surprised that its ap may be a problem. Thanks for sharing your experience.

Dennis


On 8/29/2020 6:40 AM, Giles Turnbull wrote:
I subscribed to Express VPN for a year when I knew I'd be using a university wifi during the 2018/19 academic year. I found it bvarely useable with NVDA ... none of its buttons were labeled. I did figure out which button activated the VPN but in the end I gave up! If I recall, object navigation was necessary even to find the buttons.

Giles


Re: Extra verbosity in Thunderbird

Ralf Kefferpuetz
 

There is no automatic update from 68 to 78 for thunderbird. That will be released in a few weeks. With other words there is currently no update process from 68 to 78 with keeping the 68 configuration.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Dienstag, 1. September 2020 19:24
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Extra verbosity in Thunderbird

 

Well, then the folks at Tbird have the most bizarre release channel I've ever dealt with.  I've been on release channel for years, with automatic updating, and if I go to the Help, About dialog (ALT+H,A), I watch the check being done and am told that Thunderbird is up to date.  I am on 68.12.0 32-bit.

That's one heck of a primary version jump, from 68 to 78, so I can't explain it if it's not the beta channel, unless we're talking 64-bit, which the folks at Tbird used to recommend you not use, I believe.  It gets confusing when you've had something on a given machine for a long period of time.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

A gentleman is one who never hurts anyone's feelings unintentionally.

          ~ Oscar Wilde

 


Re: Extra verbosity in Thunderbird

Gene
 

For awhile, version 78.x was available on the web site but that version wasn't distributed through the updater. I don't know why it was offered on the nonbeta part of the web site but not to the downloader. I even saw something somewhere on the mozilla site saying that that was the case so it wasn't an oversight. I don't know what the updater is offering now.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Kostadin Kolev
Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2020 12:12 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Extra verbosity in Thunderbird



Hello Brian,

Actually, the stable version 78 of Thunderbird has been released for a while now. I'm using it and in its "About" box it states that I'm on the "release" channel. I've updated it manually from v68 to v78 though. If I'm not mistaking, the automatic update will offer v78 when v78.2 is released, which happened recently. But I haven't heard from my friends that use Thunderbird that their version has updated to v78. That doesn't mean that it hasn't - it only means that they haven't told me yet if it did or not. Furthermore, when I now went to Thunderbird's website and clicked on the download link, the version offered there was 78.2.1. So, Thunderbird 78 stable has definitely been released to the public.


______
Best wishes,
Kostadin Kolev

На 1.9.2020 г. в 19:41, Brian Vogel написа:
On Mon, Aug 31, 2020 at 06:40 PM, Governor staten wrote:
I'm running Thunderbird 78.2.0, and have same issues.-
And if this version number is correct, then you're not on the release update channel, which is at 68.12.0, but the beta channel, which can have a raft of issues that the release channel does not, or have fixed issues that the release channel still has.

One can determine what channel they're on using ALT+H,A to bring up the About Thunderbird dialog. Right after the part where your version number is shown, and the status message regarding whether you're at the most recent update or have one pending, is a line that reads, "You are on the release update channel," where release will be "beta" instead if you're using the beta channel.

This issue had definitely been resolved, at one point, and there is a topic on here that I'm sure will contain the keywords "Thunderbird verbosity" besides this one that cover the back and forth or resolve it. I filed issues on this one, and it isn't truly ancient history, at least not yet.
--


Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041

A gentleman is one who never hurts anyone's feelings unintentionally.

~ Oscar Wilde


Re: Extra verbosity in Thunderbird

Gene
 

Good. then you don't have to experiment with my idea, which I was very skeptical would work.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Robert Logue
Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2020 11:19 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Extra verbosity in Thunderbird



Hi Kostadin. Thanks for the info about status bars in different areas of Thunderbird. I just turned it off in the message reading window. This fixed my verbosity problem.




I have not reported to Mozilla so far.




Bob









On 2020-08-31 1:26 p.m., Kostadin Kolev wrote:


Hello all,

I also have the status bar of Thunderbird showing in the program's main window and I don't observe the described behavior. But I'm reading messages from the main window of Thunderbird (via the message list and the message pane). Most screen reader users seam to read messages in a separate window. And we come to the main thing here - the option to show/hide the status bar in Thunderbird is independent for the separate Thunderbird windows like the main window, the optional separate window for message reading, the message composer window, etc. So, if you've disabled the status bar from within Thunderbird's main window, it will not affect its behavior for the message reading window and it will probably still be visible in it. And if you're reading messages from within that message reading window, this may be why you still hear those messages - the status bar is still shown for the message reading window.

Mind you, this automatic speaking of status bar messages should not be happening even with the status bar shown It was fixed for the main window of Thunderbird, but not for the other windows like the ones for message reading and for composing a message. This should be reported to and fixed by the Thunderbird developers. Has anyone done that? If not, I may do it these days. The only place that I find this automatic speaking of status bar messages useful is in the a"Advanced Search" window, where thanks to those messages I know the status of the performed search, without needing to manually read the status bar.


______
Best wishes,
Kostadin Kolev

На 31.8.2020 г. в 22:07, Hope Williamson написа:
Yeah I have the same issue. It's pretty annoying. Especially when it
keeps saying downloading however many messages. I tried turning off the
status bar thing, and it still does it.


Re: Extra verbosity in Thunderbird

Gene
 

The only thing I can think of that might possibly work is to turn report dynamic content changes off, though I'm just about sure it won't help to turn it off. But you can try. The toggle is NVDA key 5 on the main keyboard.

Of course, you could downgrade to a version of the program that doesn't have the problem. You could get the portable version so you could leave your current installation undisturbed and update it to see if the problem is solved while continuing to use the portable version. I suspect that this may be an Aria live region but I am not aware that NVDA has a setting to turn reading of live regions off. It should.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Robert Logue
Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2020 11:11 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Extra verbosity in Thunderbird

I tried turning off everything I could find that might stop the extra
speech in both Thunderbird and NVDA settings. I unchecked just about
everything I thought was relevant including status bar.


I tried using screen review mode to find the notification style text
being spoken. No luck there.


What other tools does NVDA have to control this kind of verbosity in
programs?


Bob



On 2020-08-31 1:07 p.m., Hope Williamson wrote:
Yeah I have the same issue. It's pretty annoying. Especially when it
keeps saying downloading however many messages. I tried turning off the
status bar thing, and it still does it.



Re: VPN services accessible with NVDA using Google Chrome or Firefox under Windows 10

Dennis Clark
 

Hello,

This is a VPN service I haven't read about. I will definitely take a look.

Thanks

Dennis


On 8/29/2020 7:27 PM, Socheat Muth wrote:

I'm not sure about other VPNS you've mentioned, but the one I'm using right now is a VPN based New York, called VPN unlimited. Their app is usable, if you downloaded it from the Microsoft's store.

Hope that helps.

On 8/29/2020 4:01 PM, Dennis Clark wrote:
Hello everyone,
I'm curious to learn which VPN services you have found accessible using NVDA and Google Chrome or Firefox. Three VPN services which have been recomended by sighted users are ExpressVPN, CyberGhost, and NordVPN. Do any of you who actually use NVDA have experience with the accessibility of these particular services. Of course any other VPN services that you have tried that are accessible or unaccessible would also be appreciated. Thanks in advance for your assistance. 
Dennis
 


Re: VPN services accessible with NVDA using Google Chrome or Firefox under Windows 10

Dennis Clark
 

Hello Stephen,

This is very encouraging. Do you know if openVPN works with other VPN services such as protonVPN? I will take a look on the expressVPN website about using it with their service.

Dennis


On 8/29/2020 5:33 PM, Stephen wrote:
You don't have to use the expressVPN control panel, you can actually use open VPN.
There are some instructions on how to do this on the express VPN website after you log in.
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Giles Turnbull <giles.turnbull@...>
Sent: 8/29/2020 11:40:06 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] VPN services accessible with NVDA using Google Chrome or Firefox under Windows 10

I subscribed to Express VPN for a year when I knew I'd be using a university wifi during the 2018/19 academic year. I found it bvarely useable with NVDA ... none of its buttons were labeled. I did figure out which button activated the VPN but in the end I gave up! If I recall, object navigation was necessary even to find the buttons.

Giles


Re: Extra verbosity in Thunderbird

 

I'm going to force an update to Version 78 in a few moments after the download completes.  As you say, when you go to the Thunderbird Download Page, it's downloading the installer for 78.2.1.

I will admit to being utterly incorrect about the latest version number, but have never experienced a "failure to update" like this in the past.  Tbird has always nagged me when I fire it up when newer versions are available.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

A gentleman is one who never hurts anyone's feelings unintentionally.

          ~ Oscar Wilde

 


Re: VPN services accessible with NVDA using Google Chrome or Firefox under Windows 10

Dennis Clark
 

Hello Giles,

This is very helpful information. This is one of the most popular VPN services, but I am not surprised that its ap may be a problem. Thanks for sharing your experience.

Dennis


On 8/29/2020 6:40 AM, Giles Turnbull wrote:
I subscribed to Express VPN for a year when I knew I'd be using a university wifi during the 2018/19 academic year. I found it bvarely useable with NVDA ... none of its buttons were labeled. I did figure out which button activated the VPN but in the end I gave up! If I recall, object navigation was necessary even to find the buttons.

Giles


Re: Extra verbosity in Thunderbird

 

Well, then the folks at Tbird have the most bizarre release channel I've ever dealt with.  I've been on release channel for years, with automatic updating, and if I go to the Help, About dialog (ALT+H,A), I watch the check being done and am told that Thunderbird is up to date.  I am on 68.12.0 32-bit.

That's one heck of a primary version jump, from 68 to 78, so I can't explain it if it's not the beta channel, unless we're talking 64-bit, which the folks at Tbird used to recommend you not use, I believe.  It gets confusing when you've had something on a given machine for a long period of time.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

A gentleman is one who never hurts anyone's feelings unintentionally.

          ~ Oscar Wilde

 


Re: Extra verbosity in Thunderbird

 

Hello Brian,

Actually, the stable version 78 of Thunderbird has been released for a while now. I'm using it and in its "About" box it states that I'm on the "release" channel. I've updated it manually from v68 to v78 though. If I'm not mistaking, the automatic update will offer v78 when v78.2 is released, which happened recently. But I haven't heard from my friends that use Thunderbird that their version has updated to v78. That doesn't mean that it hasn't - it only means that they haven't told me yet if it did or not. Furthermore, when I now went to Thunderbird's website and clicked on the download link, the version offered there was 78.2.1. So, Thunderbird 78 stable has definitely been released to the public.

______
Best wishes,
Kostadin Kolev

На 1.9.2020 г. в 19:41, Brian Vogel написа:

On Mon, Aug 31, 2020 at 06:40 PM, Governor staten wrote:
I'm running Thunderbird 78.2.0, and have same issues.
-
And if this version number is correct, then you're not on the release update channel, which is at 68.12.0, but the beta channel, which can have a raft of issues that the release channel does not, or have fixed issues that the release channel still has.

One can determine what channel they're on using ALT+H,A to bring up the About Thunderbird dialog.  Right after the part where your version number is shown, and the status message regarding whether you're at the most recent update or have one pending, is a line that reads, "You are on the release update channel," where release will be "beta" instead if you're using the beta channel.

This issue had definitely been resolved, at one point, and there is a topic on here that I'm sure will contain the keywords "Thunderbird verbosity" besides this one that cover the back and forth or resolve it.  I filed issues on this one, and it isn't truly ancient history, at least not yet.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

A gentleman is one who never hurts anyone's feelings unintentionally.

          ~ Oscar Wilde

 


Re: Extra verbosity in Thunderbird

 

On Mon, Aug 31, 2020 at 06:40 PM, Governor staten wrote:
I'm running Thunderbird 78.2.0, and have same issues.
-
And if this version number is correct, then you're not on the release update channel, which is at 68.12.0, but the beta channel, which can have a raft of issues that the release channel does not, or have fixed issues that the release channel still has.

One can determine what channel they're on using ALT+H,A to bring up the About Thunderbird dialog.  Right after the part where your version number is shown, and the status message regarding whether you're at the most recent update or have one pending, is a line that reads, "You are on the release update channel," where release will be "beta" instead if you're using the beta channel.

This issue had definitely been resolved, at one point, and there is a topic on here that I'm sure will contain the keywords "Thunderbird verbosity" besides this one that cover the back and forth or resolve it.  I filed issues on this one, and it isn't truly ancient history, at least not yet.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

A gentleman is one who never hurts anyone's feelings unintentionally.

          ~ Oscar Wilde

 


Re: Extra verbosity in Thunderbird

Robert Logue
 

Hi Kostadin. Thanks for the info about status bars in different areas of Thunderbird.  I just turned it off in the message reading window.  This fixed my verbosity problem.


I have not reported to Mozilla so far.


Bob




On 2020-08-31 1:26 p.m., Kostadin Kolev wrote:

Hello all,

I also have the status bar of Thunderbird showing in the program's main window and I don't observe the described behavior. But I'm reading messages from the main window of Thunderbird (via the message list and the message pane). Most screen reader users seam to read messages in a separate window. And we come to the main thing here - the option to show/hide the status bar in Thunderbird is independent for the separate Thunderbird windows like the main window, the optional separate window for message reading, the message composer window, etc. So, if you've disabled the status bar from within Thunderbird's main window, it will not affect its behavior for the message reading window and it will probably still be visible in it. And if you're reading messages from within that message reading window, this may be why you still hear those messages - the status bar is still shown for the message reading window.

Mind you, this automatic speaking of status bar messages should not be happening even with the status bar shown It was fixed for the main window of Thunderbird, but not for the other windows like the ones for message reading and for composing a message. This should be reported to and fixed by the Thunderbird developers. Has anyone done that? If not, I may do it these days. The only place that I find this automatic speaking of status bar messages useful is in the a"Advanced Search" window, where thanks to those messages I know the status of the performed search, without needing to manually read the status bar.

______
Best wishes,
Kostadin Kolev

На 31.8.2020 г. в 22:07, Hope Williamson написа:
Yeah I have the same issue. It's pretty annoying. Especially when it
keeps saying downloading however many messages. I tried turning off the
status bar thing, and it still does it.




Re: Extra verbosity in Thunderbird

Robert Logue
 

I tried turning off everything I could find that might stop the extra speech in both Thunderbird and NVDA settings.  I unchecked just about everything I thought was relevant including status bar.


I tried using screen review mode to find the notification style text being spoken. No luck there.


What other tools does NVDA have to control this kind of verbosity in programs?


Bob

On 2020-08-31 1:07 p.m., Hope Williamson wrote:
Yeah I have the same issue. It's pretty annoying. Especially when it
keeps saying downloading however many messages. I tried turning off the
status bar thing, and it still does it.


Re: Work with audio editors in professional way with Nvda possible or not?

Luke Davis
 

Certainly. I use Audacity for moderate projects, but the thing you should be looking into is Reaper.

Luke


Re: issues with quick nav of thunderbird and NVDA

Hettie <woehler.hettie@...>
 

No, I forgot that is a TB add-on. Thanks, you saved my sanity!


Hettie

On 2020/09/01 4:20 pm, Dan Beaver wrote:

Did you search for it under add-on manager in Thunderbird?  It isn't an NVDA add-on.


Dan Beaver

On 9/1/2020 9:55 AM, Hettie wrote:

Where do I find this add-on? I tried the add-on page but couldn't find it.


Hettie.


On 2020/08/31 10:54 pm, David Goldfield wrote:

This interests me because I also notice similar behavior with version 3.0 of this addon. The addon appears to work as expected until I restart TB. Upon restarting TB the addon is still enabled but the addon itself acts as if it has been disabled. First letter navigation does not move to the relevant folder and the addon's option does not appear in the context menu. If I go into addon settings and disable the addon and then enable it the addon works properly once again until I close and restart TB. I wrote to the addon author who was unable to reproduce the issue. I then asked about it on the Thunderbird support list and was given a suggestion which didn't work for me. I have reinstalled TB as well as removed and then reinstalled the addon.


David Goldfield,
Assistive Technology Specialist

JAWS Certified, 2019

www.davidgoldfield.org
On 8/31/2020 3:40 PM, Dan Beaver wrote:

Yeah, but with the newest version there are still issues.  I have to go in and disable and then

re-enable the extension every time I bring up Thunderbird.


I wish someone could do something about it because it is getting irritating. ;)


Dan Beaver

On 8/31/2020 2:41 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
Bob,

          I would uninstall and reinstall Quick Folder Navigation if the version you have went in a long while ago.  There have been some recent updates related to compatibility with the more recent versions of Thunderbird.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

A gentleman is one who never hurts anyone's feelings unintentionally.

          ~ Oscar Wilde

 

-- 
Dan Beaver (KA4DAN)

Virus-free. www.avg.com
-- 
Dan Beaver (KA4DAN)


Re: Work with audio editors in professional way with Nvda possible or not?

Sarah k Alawami
 

I would suggest reaper. It is a very very grate DAW you can use for everything. I use it in my daily work, and voiceover work I do.

--

Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website.

Check out my adventures with a shadow machine.

to subscribe to the feed click here and you can also follow us on twitter

Our discord is where you will know when we go live on twitch. Feel free to give the channel a follow and see what is up there.

For stream archives, products you can buy and more visit my main lbry page and my tffp lbry page You will also be able to buy some of my products and eBooks there.

Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here

On 1 Sep 2020, at 4:16, Pavel Vlček wrote:

Hi all,

my name is Pavel I am from Czech Republic. I am owner of little recording studio for disabled people, including visually impaired etc. I also have a small group of members. We used Mac Os for 8 years, but the life of the computer ended. At this time, we don't have money to buy professional Mac, which will work with Logic Pro X and Komplete Kontrol etc. So at this time, we and especially I, because I am main sound master need to use my older HP Z-book 17,3 the first generation with Win 10 and Nvda. Software, which can I use is Soundforge, Goldwave and Audacity. So, can computer with Nvda and Win 10 be used for professional audio work or not?

Thanks,

Pavel


Re: Mixcloud, Spotify and NVDA

Sarah k Alawami
 

You sure can search for music on spotify. I do this all the time. Simply tap the search button, then scroll down to the list of songs, and hit shift enter on the one you want to hear. As for volume I think it's control up and down arrow.

--

Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website.

Check out my adventures with a shadow machine.

to subscribe to the feed click here and you can also follow us on twitter

Our discord is where you will know when we go live on twitch. Feel free to give the channel a follow and see what is up there.

For stream archives, products you can buy and more visit my main lbry page and my tffp lbry page You will also be able to buy some of my products and eBooks there.

Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here

On 1 Sep 2020, at 3:29, Gene wrote:

I can't tell you if you can search for music using the Spotify program. You can use Google or whatever search engine you want if it gives you good results. That's how I search for whatever I'm looking for on Spotify.
Search for what you are looking for as:
We Can Work It Out Beatles spotify
You will find results. Follow a link to a result, copy the address to the clipboard, then paste it into the spotify program address bar and press enter. Then if it doesn't start playing automatically, tell it to play.

I haven't used spotify much for a good while, but when I did, if you used the link to an individual track, it would play. If it was to more content, such as to an album or playlist, you would have to activate the play button.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Annukka
Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2020 4:39 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Mixcloud, Spotify and NVDA

Hi. Does someone know how to change volume of podcast or program when you use Mixcloud with NVDA? There on the page is some buttons where doesnt happen anything and there is also buttons to seek forward or reward. But I cant change volume what I’m listening. I have Firefox, Windows 10 and maybe latest version of NVDA.
I cant searching music on Spotify with NVDA. Writing to the search box doesnt work.

Best Regards

Annukka


Re: Work with audio editors in professional way with Nvda possible or not?

Jesse Farquharson
 

Hello,

You can indeed do professional audio work on a Windows 10 machine. However, I would recommend checking out Reaper.

Reaper is a multitrack editor which, while fairly advanced at times, should be able to get you going.

After downloading Reaper you will also need to download the extension that makes it accessible, OSARA. You should also grab the SWS/SSM extension, as that adds extra functionality.

Check out rwp@groups.io, as well. That's a mailing list for Reaper users who use a screenreader. They can help you get started.

Hope this helps.


Re: issues with quick nav of thunderbird and NVDA

Sameer Latey
 


I was also facing the problem of the Quick Nav add-in not working properly since Thunderbird updated but the following work-around has fixed the problem for me.


When I start Thunderbird, I open one of my received mails & close it. After that, the Quick Nav add-in works perfectly.


Regards
Mr. Sameer Latey
On 01-09-2020 01:10 am, Dan Beaver wrote:

Yeah, but with the newest version there are still issues.  I have to go in and disable and then

re-enable the extension every time I bring up Thunderbird.


I wish someone could do something about it because it is getting irritating. ;)


Dan Beaver

On 8/31/2020 2:41 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
Bob,

          I would uninstall and reinstall Quick Folder Navigation if the version you have went in a long while ago.  There have been some recent updates related to compatibility with the more recent versions of Thunderbird.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

A gentleman is one who never hurts anyone's feelings unintentionally.

          ~ Oscar Wilde

 

-- 
Dan Beaver (KA4DAN)
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