The add-on makes changing the order of already displayed columns easier. But the add-on doesn't allow you to change the columns that are displayed, or not displayed.  From everything I've read in the add-on help, it allows you to change the order in which the columns are displayed but it doesn't have a feature that allows you to change what columns are displayed or not, just the order of display.

I'm not sure what is causing the current problem, but changing the order of display may work around it.  For example, if the column being displayed shows a 0 and appears as the first column, changing the order to last would move it out of the way.  That is another possible way to solve the problem.

It might be easier than the way I suggested.  If the problem is the first column, you can move it down to the last, at which time the add-on tells you you can't move it further.  and the order of the columns in the list is the order in which they appear on screen.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Sunday, September 06, 2020 11:02 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Thunderbird announcing 0 in the message list before subject line

If you're an NVDA user and a Thunderbird user who wants to deal with checking what columns are displayed and/or moving and/or removing same, installing the Mozilla Apps Enhancements Add-On and using its features to do so makes life much, much easier.  See specifically the NVDA+H command at the very end of the page along with the CTRL+NVDA+1-9 command right above that.

Rui,

          I have encountered this sort of thing when a given piece of software meant to do one thing very well, in this case OCR, gives a very primitive and half-posteriored method to do something it's not dedicated to doing.

          My solution has always been to save out the OCRed result to some file format you can open in another, dedicated editor that does work well and do the corrections there.  It's sometimes the only way I've found for dealing with this that prevents insanity (or mine, anyway).  In worst case scenarios it was a two-step process where the OCRed result went straight to PDF, and then the PDF was opened in MS-Word, which converts it to Word format as part of the open process.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

A gentleman is one who never hurts anyone's feelings unintentionally.

          ~ Oscar Wilde

 

Hi, Rui,

I am using FineReader 11 because I recognised its value as an OCR machine. The menus are perfectly accessible. However I cannot browse the document resulting from OCR nor can I make any edits to the document. The editor does not seem to be accessible. As you do find this program to be fully accessible, could you suggest how I might use the editor and view my pages in FineReader with NVDA?


All the best,

Cearbhall

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@blbc.ie


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rui Fontes
Sent: Sunday, September 6, 2020 12:25 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] OCR

What accessibility problems with FineReader menus?

I am using FineReader 14, and I have already installed FineReader 15 for costummers, and didn't notice any accessibility problems with the menus...


Rui Fontes


Às 08:29 de 06/09/2020, Shaun Everiss escreveu:

Well there are accessibility issues with the menus on abbyy.

Yeah textcloner pro uses the iris engine.

I only need ocr for the occasional bill or other typed document.

I have knfb reader for some other stuff, and for the rest if balabolka
or codex can't read it then they are probably not worth my time.

I do hope that they do get this fixed.

I have not invested in omnipage as such but still.

Even though I emailed finereader support well abbyy support about this
issue with menus and delays in nvda, it appears that they never fixed it.

It took ages till I even got an update and then I asked support about
my access fixes only to be told they were not completed.

You'd think they would actually, 1. give a higher priority to get
those fixed and also update sooner.

In sort I really want a program that is reliable and has good support.

As for omnipage, its not even owned by nuance.

Aparently the best abbyy version is v12 but while yes I have my
registration code I no longer have links that work for old abbyy 12.



On 6/09/2020 7:19 pm, Gene wrote:

Why are you disappointed? Also, unless this has changed, Text Cloner
didn't use as good OCR engines. It had two major selling points, one
that it is a very simple program and very easy to use, and two, that
it is inexpensive. In today's environment, I'm not sure either
carachteristic matters much any more and if the program is still more
simple, it may not be worth giving up the added accuracy of products
like Fine Reader and Omnipage. Those are questions those who use
newer versions of these programs will have to discuss to get current
information because things can change so much and so fast in programs.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: Saturday, September 05, 2020 9:53 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] OCR






Well good I brought text cloner when I did then.

Its not been updated since 2011 but yeah, at least I have textcloner
now.

I am quite disappointed with abbyyy and their latest finereader product.

I do use ocr and scanning but not as much as I usually did.

Interestingly when I checked you can still buy the product with paypal.

The company you buy from seems to be something completely different
but I am happy I got the program.

I don't use something like this to continuously update anyway.







On 6/09/2020 3:30 am, Robert Logue wrote:


I was going to try Text Cloner Pro but the company seems to be closed.


Text Cloner Pro - Premier AT Home




Start downloading link takes me a log in page with no option to join.




Emailed support and they said they are permanently closed. Actually
said"Sorry we are pertinently closed Does pertinently mean
temporary due to Covid:?I attached their reply.





I'm on vacation so will try the support number I found in another
message.


Text cloner support
1-888-514-9117





http://www.premierathome.com/products/TextClonerPro.php




I hope I can get it but I haven't even had a chance to try it. My
experience with ABBY in the past wasn't so good.





Bob


On 2020-01-08 4:43 p.m., Kerryn Gunness via Groups.Io wrote:

i use abby


----- Original Message ----- From: Quentin Christensen
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 7:19 PM
Subject: [nvda] OCR

Good morning,

Has anyone compared OCR software lately? I had someone ask about
Omnipage 20. I know a few people use Abbyy Finereader, but I wasn't
sure how they compare or what other options are out there currently.

Kind regards

Quentin.

--
This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Well there are accessibility issues with the menus on abbyy.

Yeah textcloner pro uses the iris engine.

I only need ocr for the occasional bill or other typed document.

I have knfb reader for some other stuff, and for the rest if balabolka
or codex can't read it then they are probably not worth my time.

I do hope that they do get this fixed.

I have not invested in omnipage as such but still.

Even though I emailed finereader support well abbyy support about this
issue with menus and delays in nvda, it appears that they never fixed it.

It took ages till I even got an update and then I asked support about
my access fixes only to be told they were not completed.

You'd think they would actually, 1. give a higher priority to get
those fixed and also update sooner.

In sort I really want a program that is reliable and has good support.

As for omnipage, its not even owned by nuance.

Aparently the best abbyy version is v12 but while yes I have my
registration code I no longer have links that work for old abbyy 12.



On 6/09/2020 7:19 pm, Gene wrote:

Why are you disappointed? Also, unless this has changed, Text Cloner
didn't use as good OCR engines. It had two major selling points, one
that it is a very simple program and very easy to use, and two, that
it is inexpensive. In today's environment, I'm not sure either
carachteristic matters much any more and if the program is still more
simple, it may not be worth giving up the added accuracy of products
like Fine Reader and Omnipage. Those are questions those who use
newer versions of these programs will have to discuss to get current
information because things can change so much and so fast in programs.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: Saturday, September 05, 2020 9:53 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] OCR






Well good I brought text cloner when I did then.

Its not been updated since 2011 but yeah, at least I have textcloner
now.

I am quite disappointed with abbyyy and their latest finereader product.

I do use ocr and scanning but not as much as I usually did.

Interestingly when I checked you can still buy the product with paypal.

The company you buy from seems to be something completely different
but I am happy I got the program.

I don't use something like this to continuously update anyway.







On 6/09/2020 3:30 am, Robert Logue wrote:


I was going to try Text Cloner Pro but the company seems to be closed.


Text Cloner Pro - Premier AT Home




Start downloading link takes me a log in page with no option to join.




Emailed support and they said they are permanently closed. Actually
said"Sorry we are pertinently closed Does pertinently mean
temporary due to Covid:?I attached their reply.





I'm on vacation so will try the support number I found in another
message.


Text cloner support
1-888-514-9117





http://www.premierathome.com/products/TextClonerPro.php




I hope I can get it but I haven't even had a chance to try it. My
experience with ABBY in the past wasn't so good.





Bob


On 2020-01-08 4:43 p.m., Kerryn Gunness via Groups.Io wrote:

i use abby


----- Original Message ----- From: Quentin Christensen
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 7:19 PM
Subject: [nvda] OCR

Good morning,

Has anyone compared OCR software lately? I had someone ask about
Omnipage 20. I know a few people use Abbyy Finereader, but I wasn't
sure how they compare or what other options are out there currently.

Kind regards

Quentin.

Package manager.
You don't need to do anything. If you give the installation instruction and the package exists, it will be installed.


https://chocolatey.org/install

You will get rid of the inaccessible setups.

On 06/09/2020 15:42, P. Otter wrote:

what is that?
how do I use it?
curious greeting
paul otter

Op 6-9-2020 om 14:12 schreef Sean:

You can install with Chocolatey.

On 06/09/2020 14:53, P. Otter wrote:

hello all!
    I want to install the newest version of utorrent.
I'm working with the newest version of nvda 2020.2.
that is because this version of utorrent would contain less malware.
but it is while installing not accessible.
 is that only my problem or are there others with the same problem?
if so, what is at this moment a good accessible torrent client?
cheers
paul otter

--
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• Email: seantolstoyevski@...
• GitHub: SeanTolstoyevski

👨‍🦯 I’m programmer. I coding often Python, sometimes Go and rarely C++.

--
Sean

• Email: seantolstoyevski@...
• GitHub: SeanTolstoyevski

👨‍🦯 I’m programmer. I coding often Python, sometimes Go and rarely C++.

what is that?
how do I use it?
curious greeting
paul otter

Op 6-9-2020 om 14:12 schreef Sean:

You can install with Chocolatey.

On 06/09/2020 14:53, P. Otter wrote:

hello all!
    I want to install the newest version of utorrent.
I'm working with the newest version of nvda 2020.2.
that is because this version of utorrent would contain less malware.
but it is while installing not accessible.
 is that only my problem or are there others with the same problem?
if so, what is at this moment a good accessible torrent client?
cheers
paul otter

--
Sean

• Email: seantolstoyevski@...
• GitHub: SeanTolstoyevski

👨‍🦯 I’m programmer. I coding often Python, sometimes Go and rarely C++.

You can install with Chocolatey.

On 06/09/2020 14:53, P. Otter wrote:

hello all!
    I want to install the newest version of utorrent.
I'm working with the newest version of nvda 2020.2.
that is because this version of utorrent would contain less malware.
but it is while installing not accessible.
 is that only my problem or are there others with the same problem?
if so, what is at this moment a good accessible torrent client?
cheers
paul otter

--
Sean

• Email: seantolstoyevski@...
• GitHub: SeanTolstoyevski

👨‍🦯 I’m programmer. I coding often Python, sometimes Go and rarely C++.

hello all!
    I want to install the newest version of utorrent.
I'm working with the newest version of nvda 2020.2.
that is because this version of utorrent would contain less malware.
but it is while installing not accessible.
 is that only my problem or are there others with the same problem?
if so, what is at this moment a good accessible torrent client?
cheers
paul otter

Well there are accessibility issues with the menus on abbyy.

Yeah textcloner pro uses the iris engine.

I only need ocr for the occasional bill or other typed document.

I have knfb reader for some other stuff, and for the rest if balabolka or codex can't read it then they are probably not worth my time.

I do hope that they do get this fixed.

I have not invested in omnipage as such but still.

Even though I emailed finereader support well abbyy support about this issue with menus and delays in nvda, it appears that they never fixed it.

It took ages till I even got an update and then I asked support about my access fixes only to be told they were not completed.

You'd think they would actually, 1.  give a higher priority to get those fixed and also update sooner.

In sort I really want a program that is reliable and has good support.

As for omnipage, its not even owned by nuance.

Aparently the best abbyy version is v12 but while yes I have my registration code I no longer have links that work for old abbyy 12.



On 6/09/2020 7:19 pm, Gene wrote:

Why are you disappointed?  Also, unless this has changed, Text Cloner didn't use as good OCR engines. It had two major selling points, one that it is a very simple program and very easy to use, and two, that it is inexpensive. In today's environment, I'm not sure either carachteristic matters much any more and if the program is still more simple, it may not be worth giving up the added accuracy of products like Fine Reader and Omnipage.  Those are questions those who use newer versions of these programs will have to discuss to get current information because things can change so much and so fast in programs.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: Saturday, September 05, 2020 9:53 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] OCR






Well good I brought text cloner when I did then.

Its not been updated since 2011 but yeah, at least I have textcloner now.

I am quite disappointed with abbyyy and their latest finereader product.

I do use ocr and scanning but not as much as I usually did.

Interestingly when I checked you can still buy the product with paypal.

The company you buy from seems to be something completely different but I am happy I got the program.

I don't use something like this to continuously update anyway.







On 6/09/2020 3:30 am, Robert Logue wrote:


I was going to try Text Cloner Pro but the company seems to be closed.


Text Cloner Pro - Premier AT Home




Start downloading link takes me a log in page with no option to join.




Emailed support and they said they are permanently closed. Actually said"Sorry we are pertinently  closed  Does pertinently mean temporary due to Covid:?I attached their reply.





I'm on vacation so will try the support number I found in another message.


Text cloner support
1-888-514-9117





http://www.premierathome.com/products/TextClonerPro.php




I hope I can get it but I haven't even had a chance to try it. My experience with ABBY in the past wasn't so good.





Bob


On 2020-01-08 4:43 p.m., Kerryn Gunness via Groups.Io wrote:

i use abby


----- Original Message ----- From: Quentin Christensen
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 7:19 PM
Subject: [nvda] OCR

Good morning,

Has anyone compared OCR software lately?   I had someone ask about Omnipage 20.  I know a few people use Abbyy Finereader, but I wasn't sure how they compare or what other options are out there currently.

Kind regards

Quentin.

Hi list: Tonight when I took a windows update, I had a real scare! I had no
desktop icon. When I hit windows X I snooped around in there and there I
found desktop. I hit it and the Icon came back. If that happens to you you
hit windows x arrow around until you find it.When you hear desktop, hit
enter and you are there. Hit start menue to make sure you have the icon and
it will be there. Then you will find your desktop icon.



Sent from Mail for Windows 10

Why are you disappointed?  Also, unless this has changed, Text Cloner didn't use as good OCR engines.  It had two major selling points, one that it is a very simple program and very easy to use, and two, that it is inexpensive. In today's environment, I'm not sure either carachteristic matters much any more and if the program is still more simple, it may not be worth giving up the added accuracy of products like Fine Reader and Omnipage.  Those are questions those who use newer versions of these programs will have to discuss to get current information because things can change so much and so fast in programs.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: Saturday, September 05, 2020 9:53 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] OCR






Well good I brought text cloner when I did then.

Its not been updated since 2011 but yeah, at least I have textcloner now.

I am quite disappointed with abbyyy and their latest finereader product.

I do use ocr and scanning but not as much as I usually did.

Interestingly when I checked you can still buy the product with paypal.

The company you buy from seems to be something completely different but I am happy I got the program.

I don't use something like this to continuously update anyway.







On 6/09/2020 3:30 am, Robert Logue wrote:


I was going to try Text Cloner Pro but the company seems to be closed.


Text Cloner Pro - Premier AT Home




Start downloading link takes me a log in page with no option to join.




Emailed support and they said they are permanently closed. Actually said"Sorry we are pertinently  closed  Does pertinently mean temporary due to Covid:?I attached their reply.





I'm on vacation so will try the support number I found in another message.


Text cloner support
1-888-514-9117





http://www.premierathome.com/products/TextClonerPro.php




I hope I can get it but I haven't even had a chance to try it.  My experience with ABBY in the past wasn't so good.





Bob


On 2020-01-08 4:43 p.m., Kerryn Gunness via Groups.Io wrote:

i use abby


----- Original Message ----- From: Quentin Christensen
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 7:19 PM
Subject: [nvda] OCR

Good morning,

Has anyone compared OCR software lately?   I had someone ask about Omnipage 20.  I know a few people use Abbyy Finereader, but I wasn't sure how they compare or what other options are out there currently.

Kind regards

Quentin.

I was going to try Text Cloner Pro but the company seems to be closed.

Text Cloner Pro - Premier AT Home


Start downloading link takes me a log in page with no option to join.


Emailed support and they said they are permanently closed. Actually
said"Sorry we are pertinently closed Does pertinently mean temporary
due to Covid:?I attached their reply.


I'm on vacation so will try the support number I found in another message.

Text cloner support
1-888-514-9117


http://www.premierathome.com/products/TextClonerPro.php


I hope I can get it but I haven't even had a chance to try it. My
experience with ABBY in the past wasn't so good.


Bob

On 2020-01-08 4:43 p.m., Kerryn Gunness via Groups.Io wrote:


i use abby

----- Original Message -----
*From:* Quentin Christensen <mailto:quentin@nvaccess.org>
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Sent:* Wednesday, January 8, 2020 7:19 PM
*Subject:* [nvda] OCR

Good morning,

Has anyone compared OCR software lately? I had someone ask about
Omnipage 20. I know a few people use Abbyy Finereader, but I
wasn't sure how they compare or what other options are out there
currently.

Kind regards

Quentin.

--
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Training and Support Manager

Web: www.nvaccess.org <http://www.nvaccess.org>;
Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/
User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess <https://twitter.com/NVAccess>;

Howdy folks,
 
For some reason each time I try to install a new add on, I’m getting an add on failed to install error.  Any ideas why this is going down?  Never had this
problem before and am using the latest versions of windows 10 and NVDA. Thanks.