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Re: In-Process for 7th September is out

Jesse Farquharson
 

Right. The singing is what I want it for. If I could figure out how to make Eloquence sing then I would. But in my previous attempts to do so, I haven't been able to.


Re: In-Process for 7th September is out

 


Well I personally wouldn't bother.

The dectalk from enablerehab has a lot of volume issues.

If you want to use dectalk, buy code factory eloquence and well it will work.

That or buy a dectalk express for 600 us bucks for the usb version.

To be honest, the only reason, dectalk was actually ellivated about, old, expired and generally crappy was the archive of music and crazyness online.

Well no one writes for it anymore.

Its to old to bother with but well I guess if you want to you can.

Any version of eloquence will do.

If you are able to find a copy of window eyes there are folders to install dectalk for sapi4.

This will give you dectalk.

I don't think its worth it though.



On 9/09/2020 8:01 am, Jesse Farquharson wrote:

I desperately want to be able to use DecTalk again.


Re: In-Process for 7th September is out

Jesse Farquharson
 

I desperately want to be able to use DecTalk again.


Re: In-Process for 7th September is out

Kevin Cussick
 

Rh voice would be nice I will get the page later if you need it or maybe someone else will b beet me to it.

On 08/09/2020 02:15, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
I think that's a great idea. If more people spoke up about their favorite voices, we could get them added to NVDA.
On 9/7/2020 10:27 AM, Leslie wrote:

Hay, maybe if we can hear from a large number of people who like these voices, maybe we can get them added to NVDA. As nonpremium voices.  We know they are always improving.

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*From: *Rosemarie Chavarria <mailto:knitqueen2007@gmail.com>
*Sent: *Monday, September 7, 2020 9:49 AM
*To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject: *Re: [nvda] In-Process for 7th September is out

I'd also like to see the cortana voice added to NVDA without charge. I really like how she sounds. My favorite voice in the one-core voices is thefemale voice called Zera. She sounds very clear.

On 9/7/2020 9:04 AM, Leslie wrote:

As I’ve said before, I just love NVDA. And it has all the features
I need being an average computer user.  I do think that NVDA.
Should add more of the truly great voices that are out there.  I
love the 1 core voices and I also love Nuance.  I think that
Cortana voice is one of the best.  I’d like to see her added to
NVDA. Without charge.  I think the original voices that NVDA. Had
are now pasee and should be droped because their quality isn’t
good anymore.  What do you guys think?

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for Windows 10

*From: *Shaun Everiss <mailto:sm.everiss@gmail.com>
*Sent: *Monday, September 7, 2020 12:37 AM
*To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject: *Re: [nvda] In-Process for 7th September is out

Hmph, if you are happy to pay a load of cash for each version
update  from freedomscientiffic or visparo etc thats your issue,
have issues with licences, need scripts for just about everything
like win98 needs drivers, are happy with the possible bad
technical support issues going about and are happy that if it
screws up you need to repair, reinstall or reformat if it totally
goes nuts, not to mention that visparo like suing everyone under
the sun well more than I'd like, go ahead.

When I used their stuff it was ok, but yeah, I never really had
that many problems with it.

Never got into the payed script racket, either.

I had to repair it once or twice, but that was before it became a
beast.

Compaired to nvda well who knows.

The information bandied round the list pluss a few other user
experiences not my own pluss the fact that due to jaws and issues
causing me to have to reformat to make them completely quit, but
mostly information on here pluss what I hear from time to time,
especially with how they got all the competing companies bar
dolphin and that probably because they only just moved out of
using internet explorer puts the impression on me that like
microsoft used to be and may still be that this is a monopoly I
would really like to see the back of.

I certainly am happy I no longer use their software, and unless I
got a job which is what jaws is bandied about by various
governments and stuff, I wouldn't touch it unless I had the cash.

To be hhonest this goes for dolphin stuff which is why I got in
the beta program but that was for a completely selfish reason that
being smuglers, its about all I care about now days.

To be honest, I don't much care for a company who is clearly
running a business for the charity, government and enterprise
market with prices to high for average users to buy, and needing
expensive upgrades and modules for remote access with specialised
blindy bits and bobs.

Nvda and things like narator have opened me to the mainstream, and
with mainstream devices like the amazon echo devices and smart
phones about, when the new normal comes along, I think some of
these things will fall away sharply.

Dolphin seems to recognise this, so does avast.

So does nvaccess which is why I use them for most of my stuff.

Now there are a few things nvda does not do, but everything has
its limits.

But if you plan to use a wordprocesser, a desktop app, a web
brouser or email client or any office app or app using standard
controls or terminals then you don't need jaws for that.

Now some of the mega custom apps and the like specialised
programs, will need specialised software, and yeah, jaws is what
you need and will always need.

Thats not nvda's job.

The job of nvda is to handle all the normal business and home
applications that use standard controls, and the like as well as
web interfaces.

To be honest that is what may happen, specialised software will
need specialised software, and will be charged accordingly.

The only reason I'd get jaws is leasy thats about the only reason
I'd buy jaws now.

And to be honest if leasy would just sell its games module then
I'd just buy that.

On 7/09/2020 12:55 pm, Ron Kolesar wrote:

Here’s hoping it would make the Microsoft Flight simulator
2020 program more accessible.

Unlike it’s predecessor FSX, FS 2020 is not accessible for we
who need to see with our ears.

Even though, all throughout the newsletters and you tube
tutorials, it does have accessibility if your sighted.

This in short isn’t fair.

So, here’s hoping the newer upgrade to NVDA is more accessible
for we blind flight simmer pilots.

Even though, in my opinion, JAWS is a much better program.

Just my opinion.

Ron Ham Radio and Emergency Communication Station KR3DOG

*From:* Quentin Christensen

*Sent:* Sunday, September 6, 2020 19:57

*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

*Subject:* [nvda] In-Process for 7th September is out

In-process is out, this week with news on the upcoming
NVDACon, a new accessible graphs project, a space-themed
accessible RPG and some general tips on making software
accessible:
https://www.nvaccess.org/post/in-process-7th-september-2020/
<https://www.nvaccess.org/post/in-process-7th-september-2020/>

Regards

Quentin.

--

Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Web: www.nvaccess.org <http://www.nvaccess.org/>

Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
<https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/>

Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/
<https://certification.nvaccess.org/>

User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda
<https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda>

Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
<http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess>
Twitter: @NVAccess <https://twitter.com/NVAccess>

In the good old days of Morse code Shorthand, 73's AKA Best
Regards and or Best Whishes,From
Ron Kolesar
Volunteer Certified Licensed Emergency Communications Station
And
Volunteer Certified Licensed Ham Radio Station
With the Call Sign of KR3DOG


Re: Long-standing NVDA bug with visual studio still unresolved

 

Hi,

If the problem is seen with VS 2015 while using NVDA 2020.2, then it is something for us (NVDA developers) should investigate further. Since it is not seen with JAWS, try using it with Narrator and see if that makes a difference. If Narrator does not exhibit this issue, then it might be something to do with the way NVDA handles IntelliSense control (specifically, the API class associated with it).

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Luke Robinett
Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2020 12:24 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Long-standing NVDA bug with visual studio still unresolved

 

Hello,

A link to the GitHub issue for this problem can be found at the end of this message. It has been reported that there is a bug in NVDA such that when the user tries to arrow up or down through IntelliSense suggestions while working in the code editor of visual studio 2017 that it doesn’t just read the menu option but rather the whole line of code every time, making the feature almost unusable.

I can confirm that this same issue still exists in visual studio 2019. It’s frustrating and disappointing that this bug has not been fixed. This problem did not exist in visual studio 2015 so we know NVDA is capable of properly announcing IntelliSense menu options, and the jaws screen reader does not exhibit this behavior so we know it’s not a problem with Microsoft. I’m really hoping somebody at NVDA will finally address and resolve this long-standing bug. Several tech savvy users have tried but haven’t been successful in correcting it.

 


Long-standing NVDA bug with visual studio still unresolved

Luke Robinett
 

Hello,
A link to the GitHub issue for this problem can be found at the end of this message. It has been reported that there is a bug in NVDA such that when the user tries to arrow up or down through IntelliSense suggestions while working in the code editor of visual studio 2017 that it doesn’t just read the menu option but rather the whole line of code every time, making the feature almost unusable.
I can confirm that this same issue still exists in visual studio 2019. It’s frustrating and disappointing that this bug has not been fixed. This problem did not exist in visual studio 2015 so we know NVDA is capable of properly announcing IntelliSense menu options, and the jaws screen reader does not exhibit this behavior so we know it’s not a problem with Microsoft. I’m really hoping somebody at NVDA will finally address and resolve this long-standing bug. Several tech savvy users have tried but haven’t been successful in correcting it.


Re: Checking file size in the "Properties" dialog using NVDA

Louise Pfau
 

Hi.  I should've indicated that I'm using a desktop.

Louise


Re: Pokemon Crystal Access

badhshah mallick
 


Re: In-Process for 7th September is out

Arlene
 

Oh, Are these voices paid for or are they for free?  I’m happy with what I have. Just curious.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Sarah k Alawami
Sent: September 8, 2020 9:36 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] In-Process for 7th September is out

 

My ibm voice is set to 80 now, espeak I['m not sure, but I believe I had that at about 70 and my 1core is still too slow at 100 percent so I raised the voice to 100 in the date and time section then brought the one core to about maybe 60 or so. I have to agree; espeak is although harsh to my ear easy to understand especially when I need an instrument panel read in the plane I'm flying.

Blessings all.

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Check out my adventures with a shadow machine.

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On 8 Sep 2020, at 8:55, molly the blind tech lover wrote:

I have eSpeak's rate set to 65, with rate boost turned off.
With OneCore the rate is set to 30 with rate boost turned on.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io nvda@nvda.groups.io On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2020 9:10 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] In-Process for 7th September is out

What do you consider very fast speeds? I can listen to Eloquence at an estimated 420 words per minute using the American dialect before speech becomes increasingly unpleasant to listen to and increasingly hard to understand. Since my comprehension goes down at that fast a speed, I usually listen at about 350 words per minute.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: David Goldfield
Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2020 7:45 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] In-Process for 7th September is out

While Espeak isn't my primary synthesizer it was for many years and there are times when I still find it beneficial. As others have said it is very easy to understand it at very fast rates of speed. Also, synths like Espeak have a very predictable way of pronouncing words. Many of today's more human sounding voices tend to do odd, unexpected and sometimes jarring things to certain combinations of letters that can really interrupt the reading flow. Not to mention that Espeak may well be one of the most responsive synths in NVDA.

David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist JAWS Certified, 2019

WWW.DavidGoldfield.org

On 9/8/2020 8:40 AM, molly the blind tech lover wrote:

Hi.
I often switch between OneCore and Espeak.
I use OneCore for reading novels, but I like to use eSpeak for reading
email, and using Webex for school, when I need to have NVDA speak
information quickly.
I find that I can understand eSpeak at much faster rates than OneCore.
So I am glad we have both options

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io nvda@nvda.groups.io On Behalf Of Rosemarie
Chavarria
Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2020 12:39 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] In-Process for 7th September is out

As far as e-speak, my favorite voice in that one is male 2.

On 9/7/2020 9:22 PM, Luke Davis wrote:

On Mon, 7 Sep 2020, Leslie wrote:

As Iʼve said before, I just love NVDA. And it has all the features I
need being an average computer user. I do think that NVDA. Should
add more of the truly great voices that are out there. I love the 1
core voices and I also love Nuance. I think that Cortana voice is
one of the best.
Iʼd like to see
her added to NVDA. Without charge. I think the original voices that
NVDA. Had are now pasee and should be droped because their quality
isnʼt good anymore.
What do you guys think?

I think by "original voices", you mean Espeak. That being the case,
I couldn't disagree more.

Its quality may not be what you want, but Espeak, in my workflow,
sounds much better and more clear at high rates of speed than OneCore
does. Plus, One Core is just not my cup of tea. Too many pauses, and
it does weird things to some words.

How does it hurt anything to continue including Espeak? It isn't the
default, and if you don't like it, you don't have to use it.

Which is the point: different people like different things, and "most
human like" of the voice is not a quality that everyone values or
weights equally. Clarity and comprehensibility at significant rates
of speech is much more interesting to me.

Plus, I'm pretty sure eSpeak supports many more languages than most
of the higher quality voices, although I could be wrong about that by now.

Luke

 


Re: In-Process for 7th September is out

Sarah k Alawami
 

My ibm voice is set to 80 now, espeak I['m not sure, but I believe I had that at about 70 and my 1core is still too slow at 100 percent so I raised the voice to 100 in the date and time section then brought the one core to about maybe 60 or so. I have to agree; espeak is although harsh to my ear easy to understand especially when I need an instrument panel read in the plane I'm flying.

Blessings all.

--

Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website.

Check out my adventures with a shadow machine.

to subscribe to the feed click here and you can also follow us on twitter

Our discord is where you will know when we go live on twitch. Feel free to give the channel a follow and see what is up there.

For stream archives, products you can buy and more visit my main lbry page and my tffp lbry page You will also be able to buy some of my products and eBooks there.

Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here

On 8 Sep 2020, at 8:55, molly the blind tech lover wrote:

I have eSpeak's rate set to 65, with rate boost turned off.
With OneCore the rate is set to 30 with rate boost turned on.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io nvda@nvda.groups.io On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2020 9:10 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] In-Process for 7th September is out

What do you consider very fast speeds? I can listen to Eloquence at an estimated 420 words per minute using the American dialect before speech becomes increasingly unpleasant to listen to and increasingly hard to understand. Since my comprehension goes down at that fast a speed, I usually listen at about 350 words per minute.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: David Goldfield
Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2020 7:45 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] In-Process for 7th September is out

While Espeak isn't my primary synthesizer it was for many years and there are times when I still find it beneficial. As others have said it is very easy to understand it at very fast rates of speed. Also, synths like Espeak have a very predictable way of pronouncing words. Many of today's more human sounding voices tend to do odd, unexpected and sometimes jarring things to certain combinations of letters that can really interrupt the reading flow. Not to mention that Espeak may well be one of the most responsive synths in NVDA.

David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist JAWS Certified, 2019

WWW.DavidGoldfield.org

On 9/8/2020 8:40 AM, molly the blind tech lover wrote:

Hi.
I often switch between OneCore and Espeak.
I use OneCore for reading novels, but I like to use eSpeak for reading
email, and using Webex for school, when I need to have NVDA speak
information quickly.
I find that I can understand eSpeak at much faster rates than OneCore.
So I am glad we have both options ☺

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io nvda@nvda.groups.io On Behalf Of Rosemarie
Chavarria
Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2020 12:39 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] In-Process for 7th September is out

As far as e-speak, my favorite voice in that one is male 2.

On 9/7/2020 9:22 PM, Luke Davis wrote:

On Mon, 7 Sep 2020, Leslie wrote:

As Iʼve said before, I just love NVDA. And it has all the features I
need being an average computer user. I do think that NVDA. Should
add more of the truly great voices that are out there. I love the 1
core voices and I also love Nuance. I think that Cortana voice is
one of the best.
Iʼd like to see
her added to NVDA. Without charge. I think the original voices that
NVDA. Had are now pasee and should be droped because their quality
isnʼt good anymore.
What do you guys think?

I think by "original voices", you mean Espeak. That being the case,
I couldn't disagree more.

Its quality may not be what you want, but Espeak, in my workflow,
sounds much better and more clear at high rates of speed than OneCore
does. Plus, One Core is just not my cup of tea. Too many pauses, and
it does weird things to some words.

How does it hurt anything to continue including Espeak? It isn't the
default, and if you don't like it, you don't have to use it.

Which is the point: different people like different things, and "most
human like" of the voice is not a quality that everyone values or
weights equally. Clarity and comprehensibility at significant rates
of speech is much more interesting to me.

Plus, I'm pretty sure eSpeak supports many more languages than most
of the higher quality voices, although I could be wrong about that by now.

Luke


Pokemon Crystal Access

kelby carlson
 

This is a trivial question, but does anybody know if the Pokemon Crystal Access emulator that was created to work with NVDA will work with the newest versions?


Re: In-Process for 7th September is out

molly the blind tech lover
 

I have eSpeak's rate set to 65, with rate boost turned off.
With OneCore the rate is set to 30 with rate boost turned on.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2020 9:10 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] In-Process for 7th September is out

What do you consider very fast speeds? I can listen to Eloquence at an estimated 420 words per minute using the American dialect before speech becomes increasingly unpleasant to listen to and increasingly hard to understand. Since my comprehension goes down at that fast a speed, I usually listen at about 350 words per minute.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: David Goldfield
Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2020 7:45 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] In-Process for 7th September is out

While Espeak isn't my primary synthesizer it was for many years and there are times when I still find it beneficial. As others have said it is very easy to understand it at very fast rates of speed. Also, synths like Espeak have a very predictable way of pronouncing words. Many of today's more human sounding voices tend to do odd, unexpected and sometimes jarring things to certain combinations of letters that can really interrupt the reading flow. Not to mention that Espeak may well be one of the most responsive synths in NVDA.

David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist JAWS Certified, 2019

WWW.DavidGoldfield.org

On 9/8/2020 8:40 AM, molly the blind tech lover wrote:
Hi.
I often switch between OneCore and Espeak.
I use OneCore for reading novels, but I like to use eSpeak for reading
email, and using Webex for school, when I need to have NVDA speak
information quickly.
I find that I can understand eSpeak at much faster rates than OneCore.
So I am glad we have both options ☺

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rosemarie
Chavarria
Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2020 12:39 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] In-Process for 7th September is out

As far as e-speak, my favorite voice in that one is male 2.



On 9/7/2020 9:22 PM, Luke Davis wrote:
On Mon, 7 Sep 2020, Leslie wrote:

As Iʼve said before, I just love NVDA. And it has all the features I
need being an average computer user. I do think that NVDA. Should
add more of the truly great voices that are out there. I love the 1
core voices and I also love Nuance. I think that Cortana voice is
one of the best.
Iʼd like to see
her added to NVDA. Without charge. I think the original voices that
NVDA. Had are now pasee and should be droped because their quality
isnʼt good anymore.
What do you guys think?
I think by "original voices", you mean Espeak. That being the case,
I couldn't disagree more.

Its quality may not be what you want, but Espeak, in my workflow,
sounds much better and more clear at high rates of speed than OneCore
does. Plus, One Core is just not my cup of tea. Too many pauses, and
it does weird things to some words.

How does it hurt anything to continue including Espeak? It isn't the
default, and if you don't like it, you don't have to use it.

Which is the point: different people like different things, and "most
human like" of the voice is not a quality that everyone values or
weights equally. Clarity and comprehensibility at significant rates
of speech is much more interesting to me.

Plus, I'm pretty sure eSpeak supports many more languages than most
of the higher quality voices, although I could be wrong about that by now.

Luke







Re: Latency in NVDA and Citrix

Ralf Kefferpuetz
 

Cearbhall,

please send me a private email to novalis7747@...

 

cheers,

  Ralf

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cearbhall O'Meadhra
Sent: Dienstag, 8. September 2020 10:59
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Latency in NVDA and Citrix

 

Ralph,

 

As I am not a developer, I dont think it is right that I join this list just to send a message. However, I can see no way to send a message to Leonard through this link. What should I do?

 

 

All the best,

 

Cearbhall

 

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ralf Kefferpuetz
Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2020 6:46 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Latency in NVDA and Citrix

 

Cearbhall,

Pls look here:

https://groups.io/g/nvda-devel/

 

cheers,

  Ralf

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cearbhall O'Meadhra
Sent: Montag, 7. September 2020 21:33
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Latency in NVDA and Citrix

 

Ralph,

 

Thanks for replying! How can I find the developer mailing list?

All the best,

 

Cearbhall

 

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ralf Kefferpuetz
Sent: Monday, September 7, 2020 7:19 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Latency in NVDA and Citrix

 

You can reach him in the developer mailinglist…

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cearbhall O'Meadhra
Sent: Montag, 7. September 2020 19:46
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Latency in NVDA and Citrix

 

Hi Everyone,

 

I see that Leonard de Ruijter has developed an add-on for NVDA using Unicorn to link to NVDA. This looks like an exciting option. I have been told that there are some latency issues but no specific details. I suppose this means a slow response to keystrokes. Does anyone have any experience of using this add-on with Citrix?
Is Leonard on this list?

 

All the best,

 

Cearbhall

 

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...

 

 

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Re: In-Process for 7th September is out

Gene
 

But those numbers aren't necessarily the same rates.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2020 9:52 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] In-Process for 7th September is out



I can also listen at 80 pecent easily on eloquence. And that is rate boost off. ON tspeak it's about I think 70 or 80 as well, if i'm in headphones. I'm slowly reworking my way up to 100 percent for all voices I use.

--

Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website.

Check out my adventures with a shadow machine.

to subscribe to the feed click here and you can also follow us on twitter

Our discord is where you will know when we go live on twitch. Feel free to give the channel a follow and see what is up there.

For stream archives, products you can buy and more visit my main lbry page and my tffp lbry page You will also be able to buy some of my products and eBooks there.

Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here

On 8 Sep 2020, at 6:09, Gene wrote:



What do you consider very fast speeds? I can listen to Eloquence at an estimated 420 words per minute using the American dialect before speech becomes increasingly unpleasant to listen to and increasingly hard to understand. Since my comprehension goes down at that fast a speed, I usually listen at about 350 words per minute.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: David Goldfield
Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2020 7:45 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] In-Process for 7th September is out

While Espeak isn't my primary synthesizer it was for many years and
there are times when I still find it beneficial. As others have said it
is very easy to understand it at very fast rates of speed. Also, synths
like Espeak have a very predictable way of pronouncing words. Many of
today's more human sounding voices tend to do odd, unexpected and
sometimes jarring things to certain combinations of letters that can
really interrupt the reading flow. Not to mention that Espeak may well
be one of the most responsive synths in NVDA.

David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
JAWS Certified, 2019

WWW.DavidGoldfield.org

On 9/8/2020 8:40 AM, molly the blind tech lover wrote:



Hi.
I often switch between OneCore and Espeak.
I use OneCore for reading novels, but I like to use eSpeak for reading email, and using Webex for school, when I need to have NVDA speak information quickly.
I find that I can understand eSpeak at much faster rates than OneCore.
So I am glad we have both options ☺

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io nvda@nvda.groups.io On Behalf Of Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2020 12:39 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] In-Process for 7th September is out

As far as e-speak, my favorite voice in that one is male 2.

On 9/7/2020 9:22 PM, Luke Davis wrote:



On Mon, 7 Sep 2020, Leslie wrote:



As Iʼve said before, I just love NVDA. And it has all the features I
need being an average computer user. I do think that NVDA. Should add
more of the truly great voices that are out there. I love the 1 core
voices and I also love Nuance. I think that Cortana voice is one of
the best.
Iʼd like to see
her added to NVDA. Without charge. I think the original voices that
NVDA. Had are now pasee and should be droped because their quality
isnʼt good anymore.
What do you guys think?



I think by "original voices", you mean Espeak. That being the case, I
couldn't disagree more.

Its quality may not be what you want, but Espeak, in my workflow,
sounds much better and more clear at high rates of speed than OneCore
does. Plus, One Core is just not my cup of tea. Too many pauses, and
it does weird things to some words.

How does it hurt anything to continue including Espeak? It isn't the
default, and if you don't like it, you don't have to use it.

Which is the point: different people like different things, and "most
human like" of the voice is not a quality that everyone values or
weights equally. Clarity and comprehensibility at significant rates of
speech is much more interesting to me.

Plus, I'm pretty sure eSpeak supports many more languages than most of
the higher quality voices, although I could be wrong about that by now.

Luke


Re: In-Process for 7th September is out

Sarah k Alawami
 

I can also listen at 80 pecent easily on eloquence. And that is rate boost off. ON tspeak it's about I think 70 or 80 as well, if i'm in headphones. I'm slowly reworking my way up to 100 percent for all voices I use.

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On 8 Sep 2020, at 6:09, Gene wrote:

What do you consider very fast speeds? I can listen to Eloquence at an estimated 420 words per minute using the American dialect before speech becomes increasingly unpleasant to listen to and increasingly hard to understand. Since my comprehension goes down at that fast a speed, I usually listen at about 350 words per minute.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: David Goldfield
Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2020 7:45 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] In-Process for 7th September is out

While Espeak isn't my primary synthesizer it was for many years and
there are times when I still find it beneficial. As others have said it
is very easy to understand it at very fast rates of speed. Also, synths
like Espeak have a very predictable way of pronouncing words. Many of
today's more human sounding voices tend to do odd, unexpected and
sometimes jarring things to certain combinations of letters that can
really interrupt the reading flow. Not to mention that Espeak may well
be one of the most responsive synths in NVDA.

David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
JAWS Certified, 2019

WWW.DavidGoldfield.org

On 9/8/2020 8:40 AM, molly the blind tech lover wrote:

Hi.
I often switch between OneCore and Espeak.
I use OneCore for reading novels, but I like to use eSpeak for reading email, and using Webex for school, when I need to have NVDA speak information quickly.
I find that I can understand eSpeak at much faster rates than OneCore.
So I am glad we have both options ☺

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io nvda@nvda.groups.io On Behalf Of Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2020 12:39 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] In-Process for 7th September is out

As far as e-speak, my favorite voice in that one is male 2.

On 9/7/2020 9:22 PM, Luke Davis wrote:

On Mon, 7 Sep 2020, Leslie wrote:

As Iʼve said before, I just love NVDA. And it has all the features I
need being an average computer user. I do think that NVDA. Should add
more of the truly great voices that are out there. I love the 1 core
voices and I also love Nuance. I think that Cortana voice is one of
the best.
Iʼd like to see
her added to NVDA. Without charge. I think the original voices that
NVDA. Had are now pasee and should be droped because their quality
isnʼt good anymore.
What do you guys think?

I think by "original voices", you mean Espeak. That being the case, I
couldn't disagree more.

Its quality may not be what you want, but Espeak, in my workflow,
sounds much better and more clear at high rates of speed than OneCore
does. Plus, One Core is just not my cup of tea. Too many pauses, and
it does weird things to some words.

How does it hurt anything to continue including Espeak? It isn't the
default, and if you don't like it, you don't have to use it.

Which is the point: different people like different things, and "most
human like" of the voice is not a quality that everyone values or
weights equally. Clarity and comprehensibility at significant rates of
speech is much more interesting to me.

Plus, I'm pretty sure eSpeak supports many more languages than most of
the higher quality voices, although I could be wrong about that by now.

Luke


Re: In-Process for 7th September is out

Gene
 

What do you consider very fast speeds? I can listen to Eloquence at an estimated 420 words per minute using the American dialect before speech becomes increasingly unpleasant to listen to and increasingly hard to understand. Since my comprehension goes down at that fast a speed, I usually listen at about 350 words per minute.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: David Goldfield
Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2020 7:45 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] In-Process for 7th September is out

While Espeak isn't my primary synthesizer it was for many years and
there are times when I still find it beneficial. As others have said it
is very easy to understand it at very fast rates of speed. Also, synths
like Espeak have a very predictable way of pronouncing words. Many of
today's more human sounding voices tend to do odd, unexpected and
sometimes jarring things to certain combinations of letters that can
really interrupt the reading flow. Not to mention that Espeak may well
be one of the most responsive synths in NVDA.

David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
JAWS Certified, 2019

WWW.DavidGoldfield.org

On 9/8/2020 8:40 AM, molly the blind tech lover wrote:
Hi.
I often switch between OneCore and Espeak.
I use OneCore for reading novels, but I like to use eSpeak for reading email, and using Webex for school, when I need to have NVDA speak information quickly.
I find that I can understand eSpeak at much faster rates than OneCore.
So I am glad we have both options ☺

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2020 12:39 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] In-Process for 7th September is out

As far as e-speak, my favorite voice in that one is male 2.



On 9/7/2020 9:22 PM, Luke Davis wrote:
On Mon, 7 Sep 2020, Leslie wrote:

As Iʼve said before, I just love NVDA. And it has all the features I
need being an average computer user. I do think that NVDA. Should add
more of the truly great voices that are out there. I love the 1 core
voices and I also love Nuance. I think that Cortana voice is one of
the best.
Iʼd like to see
her added to NVDA. Without charge. I think the original voices that
NVDA. Had are now pasee and should be droped because their quality
isnʼt good anymore.
What do you guys think?
I think by "original voices", you mean Espeak. That being the case, I
couldn't disagree more.

Its quality may not be what you want, but Espeak, in my workflow,
sounds much better and more clear at high rates of speed than OneCore
does. Plus, One Core is just not my cup of tea. Too many pauses, and
it does weird things to some words.

How does it hurt anything to continue including Espeak? It isn't the
default, and if you don't like it, you don't have to use it.

Which is the point: different people like different things, and "most
human like" of the voice is not a quality that everyone values or
weights equally. Clarity and comprehensibility at significant rates of
speech is much more interesting to me.

Plus, I'm pretty sure eSpeak supports many more languages than most of
the higher quality voices, although I could be wrong about that by now.

Luke







Re: In-Process for 7th September is out

David Goldfield
 

While Espeak isn't my primary synthesizer it was for many years and there are times when I still find it beneficial. As others have said it is very easy to understand it at very fast rates of speed. Also, synths like Espeak have a very predictable way of pronouncing words. Many of today's more human sounding voices tend to do odd, unexpected and sometimes jarring things to certain combinations of letters that can really interrupt the reading flow. Not to mention that Espeak may well be one of the most responsive synths in NVDA.

David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
JAWS Certified, 2019

WWW.DavidGoldfield.org

On 9/8/2020 8:40 AM, molly the blind tech lover wrote:
Hi.
I often switch between OneCore and Espeak.
I use OneCore for reading novels, but I like to use eSpeak for reading email, and using Webex for school, when I need to have NVDA speak information quickly.
I find that I can understand eSpeak at much faster rates than OneCore.
So I am glad we have both options ☺

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2020 12:39 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] In-Process for 7th September is out

As far as e-speak, my favorite voice in that one is male 2.



On 9/7/2020 9:22 PM, Luke Davis wrote:
On Mon, 7 Sep 2020, Leslie wrote:

As Iʼve said before, I just love NVDA. And it has all the features I
need being an average computer user. I do think that NVDA. Should add
more of the truly great voices that are out there. I love the 1 core
voices and I also love Nuance. I think that Cortana voice is one of
the best.
Iʼd like to see
her added to NVDA. Without charge. I think the original voices that
NVDA. Had are now pasee and should be droped because their quality
isnʼt good anymore.
What do you guys think?
I think by "original voices", you mean Espeak. That being the case, I
couldn't disagree more.

Its quality may not be what you want, but Espeak, in my workflow,
sounds much better and more clear at high rates of speed than OneCore
does. Plus, One Core is just not my cup of tea. Too many pauses, and
it does weird things to some words.

How does it hurt anything to continue including Espeak? It isn't the
default, and if you don't like it, you don't have to use it.

Which is the point: different people like different things, and "most
human like" of the voice is not a quality that everyone values or
weights equally. Clarity and comprehensibility at significant rates of
speech is much more interesting to me.

Plus, I'm pretty sure eSpeak supports many more languages than most of
the higher quality voices, although I could be wrong about that by now.

Luke






Re: In-Process for 7th September is out

molly the blind tech lover
 

Hi.
I often switch between OneCore and Espeak.
I use OneCore for reading novels, but I like to use eSpeak for reading email, and using Webex for school, when I need to have NVDA speak information quickly.
I find that I can understand eSpeak at much faster rates than OneCore.
So I am glad we have both options ☺

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2020 12:39 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] In-Process for 7th September is out

As far as e-speak, my favorite voice in that one is male 2.



On 9/7/2020 9:22 PM, Luke Davis wrote:
On Mon, 7 Sep 2020, Leslie wrote:

As Iʼve said before, I just love NVDA. And it has all the features I
need being an average computer user. I do think that NVDA. Should add
more of the truly great voices that are out there. I love the 1 core
voices and I also love Nuance. I think that Cortana voice is one of
the best.
Iʼd like to see
her added to NVDA. Without charge. I think the original voices that
NVDA. Had are now pasee and should be droped because their quality
isnʼt good anymore.
What do you guys think?
I think by "original voices", you mean Espeak. That being the case, I
couldn't disagree more.

Its quality may not be what you want, but Espeak, in my workflow,
sounds much better and more clear at high rates of speed than OneCore
does. Plus, One Core is just not my cup of tea. Too many pauses, and
it does weird things to some words.

How does it hurt anything to continue including Espeak? It isn't the
default, and if you don't like it, you don't have to use it.

Which is the point: different people like different things, and "most
human like" of the voice is not a quality that everyone values or
weights equally. Clarity and comprehensibility at significant rates of
speech is much more interesting to me.

Plus, I'm pretty sure eSpeak supports many more languages than most of
the higher quality voices, although I could be wrong about that by now.

Luke



Re: Latency in NVDA and Citrix

Cearbhall O'Meadhra
 

Ralph,

 

As I am not a developer, I dont think it is right that I join this list just to send a message. However, I can see no way to send a message to Leonard through this link. What should I do?

 

 

All the best,

 

Cearbhall

 

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ralf Kefferpuetz
Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2020 6:46 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Latency in NVDA and Citrix

 

Cearbhall,

Pls look here:

https://groups.io/g/nvda-devel/

 

cheers,

  Ralf

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cearbhall O'Meadhra
Sent: Montag, 7. September 2020 21:33
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Latency in NVDA and Citrix

 

Ralph,

 

Thanks for replying! How can I find the developer mailing list?

All the best,

 

Cearbhall

 

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ralf Kefferpuetz
Sent: Monday, September 7, 2020 7:19 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Latency in NVDA and Citrix

 

You can reach him in the developer mailinglist…

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cearbhall O'Meadhra
Sent: Montag, 7. September 2020 19:46
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Latency in NVDA and Citrix

 

Hi Everyone,

 

I see that Leonard de Ruijter has developed an add-on for NVDA using Unicorn to link to NVDA. This looks like an exciting option. I have been told that there are some latency issues but no specific details. I suppose this means a slow response to keystrokes. Does anyone have any experience of using this add-on with Citrix?
Is Leonard on this list?

 

All the best,

 

Cearbhall

 

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...

 

 

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Re: Latency in NVDA and Citrix

Ralf Kefferpuetz
 

Cearbhall,

Pls look here:

https://groups.io/g/nvda-devel/

 

cheers,

  Ralf

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cearbhall O'Meadhra
Sent: Montag, 7. September 2020 21:33
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Latency in NVDA and Citrix

 

Ralph,

 

Thanks for replying! How can I find the developer mailing list?

All the best,

 

Cearbhall

 

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ralf Kefferpuetz
Sent: Monday, September 7, 2020 7:19 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Latency in NVDA and Citrix

 

You can reach him in the developer mailinglist…

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cearbhall O'Meadhra
Sent: Montag, 7. September 2020 19:46
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Latency in NVDA and Citrix

 

Hi Everyone,

 

I see that Leonard de Ruijter has developed an add-on for NVDA using Unicorn to link to NVDA. This looks like an exciting option. I have been told that there are some latency issues but no specific details. I suppose this means a slow response to keystrokes. Does anyone have any experience of using this add-on with Citrix?
Is Leonard on this list?

 

All the best,

 

Cearbhall

 

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...

 

 

Virus-free. www.avast.com

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