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Re: creating message rules in thunderbird

Salva Doménech Miguel <kibayasd@...>
 

Hi.
Is so easy. I have a tutorial, but is in spanish. I think you'll don't understand. If you want the tutorial tell me.
Cheers

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De: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] En nombre de Rosemarie Chavarria
Enviado el: domingo, 28 de agosto de 2016 19:46
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Asunto: [nvda] creating message rules in thunderbird

Hi, everyone,


It would be great if someone could do a tutorial on creating message rules in thunderbird. I'd like to learn how to do that so I can better organize my incoming messages.


Rosemarie


Re: what's new tutorial for nvda 2016.3:

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

I think both audio and text would be great. I mostly learn from audio tutorials but when I forget something, I like to refer to a text file.




On 8/28/2016 10:47 AM, RealTalk wrote:
Yes, I completely agree. Audio would be first, the text format would be good for after a person listens to the audio version. That way they have something to do a quick reference.

On Aug 28, 2016, at 12:41 PM, David Tanner <david.tanner100@...> wrote:

 C I would agree with Janine that an audio tutorial would be too great advantage for many users.

David Tanner

From my iPhone 6 S

On Aug 28, 2016, at 10:40 AM, Jenine Stanley <dragonwalker64@...> wrote:

What makes a good audio tutorial imho is a demonstration of new aspects of the app. Some people are auditory learners and sometimes a concept can just be explained more easily by showing what it sounds like with the product. 

I think that gives my vote to someone actually also doing an audio walk-through of new features. 
Jenine Stanley



On Aug 27, 2016, at 11:22 PM, RealTalk <realtalk.pr@...> wrote:

I say yes, it wouldn't hurt to have both.

On Aug 27, 2016, at 1:43 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria <knitqueen2007@...> wrote:

Yes, there is.




On 8/24/2016 4:01 AM, Chris Mullins wrote:
Is there not a textual What’s New feature in the NVDA menu Help section? 
 
Cheers
Chris
 
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kenny Peyattt jr. 
Sent: 24 August 2016 03:50
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] what's new tutorial for nvda 2016.3:
 
Hi I am planning on doing a what’s new in Nvda 2016.3 tutorial, and I was wondering if it would be a good idea to do a text version of the tutorial along with the audio version. 
Kenny Peyatt jr. 




Re: what's new tutorial for nvda 2016.3:

RealTalk
 

Yes, I completely agree. Audio would be first, the text format would be good for after a person listens to the audio version. That way they have something to do a quick reference.

On Aug 28, 2016, at 12:41 PM, David Tanner <david.tanner100@...> wrote:

 C I would agree with Janine that an audio tutorial would be too great advantage for many users.

David Tanner

From my iPhone 6 S

On Aug 28, 2016, at 10:40 AM, Jenine Stanley <dragonwalker64@...> wrote:

What makes a good audio tutorial imho is a demonstration of new aspects of the app. Some people are auditory learners and sometimes a concept can just be explained more easily by showing what it sounds like with the product. 

I think that gives my vote to someone actually also doing an audio walk-through of new features. 
Jenine Stanley



On Aug 27, 2016, at 11:22 PM, RealTalk <realtalk.pr@...> wrote:

I say yes, it wouldn't hurt to have both.

On Aug 27, 2016, at 1:43 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria <knitqueen2007@...> wrote:

Yes, there is.




On 8/24/2016 4:01 AM, Chris Mullins wrote:
Is there not a textual What’s New feature in the NVDA menu Help section? 
 
Cheers
Chris
 
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kenny Peyattt jr. 
Sent: 24 August 2016 03:50
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] what's new tutorial for nvda 2016.3:
 
Hi I am planning on doing a what’s new in Nvda 2016.3 tutorial, and I was wondering if it would be a good idea to do a text version of the tutorial along with the audio version. 
Kenny Peyatt jr. 



creating message rules in thunderbird

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, everyone,


It would be great if someone could do a tutorial on creating message rules in thunderbird. I'd like to learn how to do that so I can better organize my incoming messages.


Rosemarie


Re: what's new tutorial for nvda 2016.3:

David Tanner
 

 C I would agree with Janine that an audio tutorial would be too great advantage for many users.

David Tanner

From my iPhone 6 S

On Aug 28, 2016, at 10:40 AM, Jenine Stanley <dragonwalker64@...> wrote:

What makes a good audio tutorial imho is a demonstration of new aspects of the app. Some people are auditory learners and sometimes a concept can just be explained more easily by showing what it sounds like with the product. 

I think that gives my vote to someone actually also doing an audio walk-through of new features. 
Jenine Stanley



On Aug 27, 2016, at 11:22 PM, RealTalk <realtalk.pr@...> wrote:

I say yes, it wouldn't hurt to have both.

On Aug 27, 2016, at 1:43 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria <knitqueen2007@...> wrote:

Yes, there is.




On 8/24/2016 4:01 AM, Chris Mullins wrote:
Is there not a textual What’s New feature in the NVDA menu Help section? 
 
Cheers
Chris
 
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kenny Peyattt jr. 
Sent: 24 August 2016 03:50
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] what's new tutorial for nvda 2016.3:
 
Hi I am planning on doing a what’s new in Nvda 2016.3 tutorial, and I was wondering if it would be a good idea to do a text version of the tutorial along with the audio version. 
Kenny Peyatt jr. 



Re: what's new tutorial for nvda 2016.3:

Jenine Stanley
 

What makes a good audio tutorial imho is a demonstration of new aspects of the app. Some people are auditory learners and sometimes a concept can just be explained more easily by showing what it sounds like with the product. 

I think that gives my vote to someone actually also doing an audio walk-through of new features. 
Jenine Stanley



On Aug 27, 2016, at 11:22 PM, RealTalk <realtalk.pr@...> wrote:

I say yes, it wouldn't hurt to have both.

On Aug 27, 2016, at 1:43 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria <knitqueen2007@...> wrote:

Yes, there is.




On 8/24/2016 4:01 AM, Chris Mullins wrote:
Is there not a textual What’s New feature in the NVDA menu Help section? 
 
Cheers
Chris
 
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kenny Peyattt jr. 
Sent: 24 August 2016 03:50
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] what's new tutorial for nvda 2016.3:
 
Hi I am planning on doing a what’s new in Nvda 2016.3 tutorial, and I was wondering if it would be a good idea to do a text version of the tutorial along with the audio version. 
Kenny Peyatt jr. 



Re: Cannot Get Latest NVDA To Install On Windows 10 Anniversary

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Or the next or master snap branches, but even then some alerts to the need for admin rithts or elevated permissions fail to read unless you go around with alt tab a bit.
Brian

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From: "Gene New Zealand" <hurrikennyandopo@outlook.co.nz>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2016 6:27 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Cannot Get Latest NVDA To Install On Windows 10 Anniversary


Hi James

On which operating system is this on? and which way are you trying to do it. Is it just a normal install of NVDA?

You might be getting the UAC screen coming up if it is in windows 10 anniversary version. If this is the case usually the ALT key and the letter Y will do the trick. the UAC screen to be read out needs the NVDA 2016.3 RC version which can be found at http://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/snapshots/
Do not go the next or master snapshot the RC version is the one you want..

Is it your own machine or is it one that is lent out as they might of setup a profile for you can can only be changed by the admin.

Gene nz

On 28/08/2016 9:42 AM, James Robinson wrote:
Hello List!

Each time I try to install NVDA, the process aborts by telling me that “NVDA Failed to install.” NVDA seems to be active and it talks but I cannot close it and have to reboot my system to get rid of it. Is there something I must do to my system before installing the program? Could someone give me the download link to the latest version of the program so I can be sure I am installing the correct program.

Sincerely,


James Arthur Robinson, Sr., President
Jardata Corporation



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Re: Question: NVDA Silent When First Opening Word and When Initiating the Save Dialog

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Yes seen this and also on Libra Office as well. I think its some kind of timing thing as not always does it happen on all machines. I found that by changing the speed slow down in idle of the processor its a lot better. I now also get a similar issue at times in firefox where I have to hit alt and escape to get the page to read.

Its not just confined to nvda either, dolphin screenreaders do a similar thing.

If anyone has a cast iron fix for these missing events or slow catching up then feel free to say them. My newest machine with 8 gigs of memory seems to be imune to it.
Bran

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----- Original Message -----
From: "David Goldfield" <david.goldfield@outlook.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2016 4:47 AM
Subject: [nvda] Question: NVDA Silent When First Opening Word and When Initiating the Save Dialog


The observation I'd like to ask about occurs on my desktop PC running
Windows 10 Anniversary Edition but I also notice similar behavior on a
Windows 7 laptop. The desktop has Office 2016 installed and the laptop
has Office 2013.

When I first open Word NVDA is often silent, rather than speaking the
title of the program which has gained focus. In other words, the
expected behavior is that, once Word opens and gains focus, NVDA would
verify this by speaking the title of the window, such as "document 1,
Microsoft Word." However, when opening Word after the system has booted
this does not happen. NVDA is silent and pressing insert+T just reads
"winword." At this point, if I move focus away from and then back to the
document window NVDA reads the title as expected. As an example, if I
press the alt key once to move to the ribbon and then a second time to
return to the document I will hear "Document 1, Microsoft Word."
Subsequent attempts to open Word usually cause NVDA to behave as
expected and the title of the document window is automatically spoken.

Along the same lines, I see similar behavior when attempting to save a
document by pressing ctrl+S. When I press this key, the "save" dialog
loads but NVDA is totally silent. If I press the alt key twice, NVDA
then confirms that I am in the dialog. Another NVDA user brought this up
during a recent computer users' group that I moderate and so I decided
to post these experiences to this group to see if others have observed
similar behavior. I'm wondering if an open ticket exists for this bug on
Github.



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Assistive Technology Specialist

Feel free to visit my Web site
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Re: NVDA Stopped Speaking

Brian's Mail list account BY <bglists@...>
 

Its awfully easy on some laptops to mute sound. What you need to find out is if the system sound still works or not, if not then somebody needs to find the key combination to unmute it and this very much depends on the model.
If its nvda itself, then yes, you could try what the previous person said, and it should come back. What I tend to do these days on new machines is set up aportable copy in another folder and make a shortcut to the nvda.exe file in that folder. Place this on the desktop and add a key sequence such as right alt/x or something so when or if you screw up your installed copy you can just do the right alt and x and at least get the alternate copy running.

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Salva Doménech Miguel via Groups.io" <kibayasd=yahoo.com@groups.io>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2016 1:07 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Stopped Speaking


Hi.
If I understood good, you've installed NVDA but the voice is silent. I think
you could try with NVDA+S but is not so probably it would Works good.
Probably the computer volumen could be silent. If you can, aks people who
can look in your screen or use an external soundcard and put up the volumen
and put off the sound.
Cheers

-----Mensaje original-----
De: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] En nombre de Robert
Martin
Enviado el: sábado, 27 de agosto de 2016 14:04
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Asunto: [nvda] NVDA Stopped Speaking

Good Morning

I am a new subscriber to this group and a relatively in experienced NVDA
user. I just bought a new laptop and installed NVDA succesffully but
somewhere along the way I rather quickly did something that appaarently
silenced speech. Can anyone suggest what I may have done and how I can
correct the problem?
My challenged is that it's a Windows 10 computer and I'm not yet familiar
with the new commands. Any suggestions will be much appreciated.

Thanks,

Bob martinSent from my iPhone


Re: NVDA Stopped Speaking

Kenny Dog <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Hi Bob


At what time did NVDA stop talking? Was it after it was installed and
you were using it for a while? or was it in the installing of it?


I am wondering if you put NVDA to sleep: If this is the case on my
desktop, it might be the same for a laptop is use the NVDA key + shift
key + the letter S.


If sleep mode is on you will not hear NVDA say anything until it is
woken up. Use the same shortcut to wake him up. You will hear sleep
mode on or sleep mode off.



It is simple to get it mixed up with the one for synth settings which is
the NVDA key + the CTRL key + the letter S except the synth settins part
will come up and tell you which synth package you have.

Actually it cold of been set to No synth maybe if this the the case use
the letter E to get you up to the E speak synth so he starts speaking again?


Maybe if you tried a demo of a synth package it has expired and will
need to be changed to one that speaks like e speak..

.

You might of put NVDA to no speech if this is the case use the NVDA key
+ the letter S to toggle

him from off to talk.



Gene nz

On 28/08/2016 12:03 AM, Robert Martin wrote:
Good Morning

I am a new subscriber to this group and a relatively in experienced NVDA user. I just bought a new laptop and installed NVDA succesffully but somewhere along the way I rather quickly
did something that appaarently silenced speech. Can anyone suggest what I may have done and how I can correct the problem?
My challenged is that it's a Windows 10 computer and I'm not yet familiar with the new commands. Any suggestions will be much appreciated.

Thanks,

Bob martinSent from my iPhone


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Check out my website for nvda tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net


Re: Cannot Get Latest NVDA To Install On Windows 10 Anniversary

Kenny Dog <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Hi James

On which operating system is this on? and which way are you trying to do it. Is it just a normal install of NVDA?

You might be getting the UAC screen coming up if it is in windows 10 anniversary version. If this is the case usually the ALT key and the letter Y will do the trick. the UAC screen  to be read out needs the NVDA 2016.3 RC version which can be found at http://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/snapshots/
Do not go the next or master snapshot the RC version is the one you want..

Is it your own machine or is it one that is lent out as they might of setup a profile for you can can only be changed by the admin.

Gene nz

On 28/08/2016 9:42 AM, James Robinson wrote:
Hello List!
 
Each time I try to install NVDA, the process aborts by telling me that “NVDA Failed to install.”  NVDA seems to be active and it talks but I cannot close it and have to reboot my system to get rid of it.  Is there something I must do to my system before installing the program?  Could someone give me the download link to the latest version of the program so I can be sure I am installing the correct program.   

Sincerely,


James Arthur Robinson, Sr., President
Jardata Corporation

-- 
Check out my website for nvda tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net


Question: NVDA Silent When First Opening Word and When Initiating the Save Dialog

David Goldfield
 

The observation I'd like to ask about occurs on my desktop PC running
Windows 10 Anniversary Edition but I also notice similar behavior on a
Windows 7 laptop. The desktop has Office 2016 installed and the laptop
has Office 2013.

When I first open Word NVDA is often silent, rather than speaking the
title of the program which has gained focus. In other words, the
expected behavior is that, once Word opens and gains focus, NVDA would
verify this by speaking the title of the window, such as "document 1,
Microsoft Word." However, when opening Word after the system has booted
this does not happen. NVDA is silent and pressing insert+T just reads
"winword." At this point, if I move focus away from and then back to the
document window NVDA reads the title as expected. As an example, if I
press the alt key once to move to the ribbon and then a second time to
return to the document I will hear "Document 1, Microsoft Word."
Subsequent attempts to open Word usually cause NVDA to behave as
expected and the title of the document window is automatically spoken.

Along the same lines, I see similar behavior when attempting to save a
document by pressing ctrl+S. When I press this key, the "save" dialog
loads but NVDA is totally silent. If I press the alt key twice, NVDA
then confirms that I am in the dialog. Another NVDA user brought this up
during a recent computer users' group that I moderate and so I decided
to post these experiences to this group to see if others have observed
similar behavior. I'm wondering if an open ticket exists for this bug on
Github.



--
David Goldfield,
Assistive Technology Specialist

Feel free to visit my Web site
WWW.DavidGoldfield.Info


Re: what's new tutorial for nvda 2016.3:

RealTalk
 

I say yes, it wouldn't hurt to have both.

On Aug 27, 2016, at 1:43 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria <knitqueen2007@...> wrote:

Yes, there is.




On 8/24/2016 4:01 AM, Chris Mullins wrote:

Is there not a textual What’s New feature in the NVDA menu Help section?

 

Cheers

Chris

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kenny Peyattt jr.
Sent: 24 August 2016 03:50
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] what's new tutorial for nvda 2016.3:

 

Hi I am planning on doing a what’s new in Nvda 2016.3 tutorial, and I was wondering if it would be a good idea to do a text version of the tutorial along with the audio version.

Kenny Peyatt jr.



Re: Cannot Get Latest NVDA To Install On Windows 10 Anniversary

Gene
 

There is only one version.  The talking installer is evidently still running.  You should be able to close it in the task manager.  There should be no reason to reboot. 
 
Gene
----- Orginal Message -----

Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2016 4:42 PM
Subject: [nvda] Cannot Get Latest NVDA To Install On Windows 10 Anniversary

Hello List!
 
Each time I try to install NVDA, the process aborts by telling me that “NVDA Failed to install.”  NVDA seems to be active and it talks but I cannot close it and have to reboot my system to get rid of it.  Is there something I must do to my system before installing the program?  Could someone give me the download link to the latest version of the program so I can be sure I am installing the correct program.   

Sincerely,


James Arthur Robinson, Sr., President
Jardata Corporation


Cannot Get Latest NVDA To Install On Windows 10 Anniversary

James Robinson
 

Hello List!
 
Each time I try to install NVDA, the process aborts by telling me that “NVDA Failed to install.”  NVDA seems to be active and it talks but I cannot close it and have to reboot my system to get rid of it.  Is there something I must do to my system before installing the program?  Could someone give me the download link to the latest version of the program so I can be sure I am installing the correct program.   

Sincerely,


James Arthur Robinson, Sr., President
Jardata Corporation


Re: what's new tutorial for nvda 2016.3:

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Yes, there is.




On 8/24/2016 4:01 AM, Chris Mullins wrote:

Is there not a textual What’s New feature in the NVDA menu Help section?

 

Cheers

Chris

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kenny Peyattt jr.
Sent: 24 August 2016 03:50
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] what's new tutorial for nvda 2016.3:

 

Hi I am planning on doing a what’s new in Nvda 2016.3 tutorial, and I was wondering if it would be a good idea to do a text version of the tutorial along with the audio version.

Kenny Peyatt jr.



Re: NVDA Stopped Speaking

Arlene
 

Perhaps you hit the mute button by accident. You may have to get a sighted
person to look and see if the computer does as it should without sound. I
mean have the person move about on your desktop to see if it does as it
should. If it does you hit the mute button.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Robert
Martin
Sent: August-27-16 5:04 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA Stopped Speaking

Good Morning

I am a new subscriber to this group and a relatively in experienced NVDA
user. I just bought a new laptop and installed NVDA succesffully but
somewhere along the way I rather quickly did something that appaarently
silenced speech. Can anyone suggest what I may have done and how I can
correct the problem?
My challenged is that it's a Windows 10 computer and I'm not yet familiar
with the new commands. Any suggestions will be much appreciated.

Thanks,

Bob martinSent from my iPhone


Reading rows and columns in Word table

Cearbhall O'Meadhra
 

Hello all,

I am using Word 2016 in windows 10 and NVDA 2016.3

I wonder if you can help me with this task? I am attaching a sample of a
Word 2016 table that contains varying row lengths. This is a doctored copy
of an audit report table that is shaped like this for visual effect. I found
it difficult to understand until a sighted person explained what each row
was meant to convey.
I have placed a sample portion of the table in a dropbox folder. Here is the
link:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/jd3umb62iimo5su/sample%20table.docx?dl=0

Row 2 has data only in cell 1 and the NVDA cursor slips back up to row 1
because columns 3 and 4 have null data in them in row 2.

Next, the last four rows are similarly shortened and NVDA slips back up one
or two rows when it meets the non-existent cells in columns 4 and 5.

The "Alt GR" key to the right of the space bar does nothing in Word 2016 as
a table control moderator key. For this reason, I am navigating the table
using the left control and alt keys with the right arrow key to move right
along the rows and control + alt with the up and down arrows to move up and
down the table rows.

Are there other keystrokes that I could use in NVDA that would recognise the
end of row 2 and 16 rather than spill over onto the upper lines? I hate to
mention the opposition, but JAWS 17 does stop on the row even it is one or
two cells shorter than that above!

I should mention that columns 1 and 2 are merged in the last four rows but
neither screen reader recognises that fact and so calls the third column
"column 2" and the fourth one "column 3" etc. Is there a setting in NVDA
that can detect the merged columns?


All the best,

Cearbhall

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@blbc.ie


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Re: NVDA Stopped Speaking

Salva Doménech Miguel <kibayasd@...>
 

Hi.
If I understood good, you've installed NVDA but the voice is silent. I think
you could try with NVDA+S but is not so probably it would Works good.
Probably the computer volumen could be silent. If you can, aks people who
can look in your screen or use an external soundcard and put up the volumen
and put off the sound.
Cheers

-----Mensaje original-----
De: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] En nombre de Robert
Martin
Enviado el: sábado, 27 de agosto de 2016 14:04
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Asunto: [nvda] NVDA Stopped Speaking

Good Morning

I am a new subscriber to this group and a relatively in experienced NVDA
user. I just bought a new laptop and installed NVDA succesffully but
somewhere along the way I rather quickly did something that appaarently
silenced speech. Can anyone suggest what I may have done and how I can
correct the problem?
My challenged is that it's a Windows 10 computer and I'm not yet familiar
with the new commands. Any suggestions will be much appreciated.

Thanks,

Bob martinSent from my iPhone


NVDA Stopped Speaking

Robert Martin
 

Good Morning

I am a new subscriber to this group and a relatively in experienced NVDA user. I just bought a new laptop and installed NVDA succesffully but somewhere along the way I rather quickly
did something that appaarently silenced speech. Can anyone suggest what I may have done and how I can correct the problem?
My challenged is that it's a Windows 10 computer and I'm not yet familiar with the new commands. Any suggestions will be much appreciated.

Thanks,

Bob martinSent from my iPhone