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Re: In-Process for 7th September is out

 

Yes, I agree its totally crap now.
Thing was back in 1998 through 2014 or there abouts there was a team
of people, mostly radio hams and audio freaks, guys like patrick
perdue, jason smith, etc that sort of ellivated it over its station.
There is still an archive on resilio sync.
Its still about, no longer updated, however there is a 2gb content
library of software, music, text and the like.
So here is its downfall.
Hardware abstraction layer.
So for all the dumbies here and there are probably quite a few of you
about, basically in a nutshell after microsoft abandoned the old 9x
dos style windows os, they really got serious on direct connect
devices that accessed the hardware.
Now this is probably a good thing security wize windows has many
interupt or irq ports serial ports and the like.
No one really use physical serial anyway so it doesn't matter much.
But for a while there were serial [ports up through xp.
Now you certainly can buy usb serial ports, serial cards and yes
actually serial or paralel ports should you really want them but thats
becides the point.
Virtualised stuff seems to be how it all goes to.
Basically, to avoid conflicts and crashes, your hardware never talks
to windows directly.
Program talks to driver and driver talks to windows kernal library and
that talks to the kernal and its all seemless and such.
It used to be that stuff talked to eachother.
Thats fine in dos maybe, linux maybe and older windows, but well on
modern systems with so many extras more than 4 serial ports, usb ports
and physical and virtual connections it doesn't make that much sence.
So anyway, you try to communicate with something like a dectalk with
your windows xp and it tries to direct connect.
Windows hates you for life.
It actually in the case of xp will destroy your installation.
I tried several times in the past, 10 times to be honest.
10 times, windows locked.
10 times windows didn't reboot.
10 times I had to reformat and reinstall.
In contrast my old keynote stuff never had this issue so who knows the
inns and outs of it.
There is probably a technical junkpile explaining it, just to say in
simple terms in modern systems direct connection of anything similar
to connecting a system without a serge protector or your critical
devices without a ups or security without a firewall is a bad idea.
Thats basically why no one bothers with dectalk anymore.
Now there are usb versions but to be honest with the load of software
speech its just not echonomical.
The other thing is that its 8 bit.
Thats nice on your portable small speakered devices but after 4.3 of
the kernal even though after dectalk went to phonics, the 5x modern
dectalk never sounded right.
I have 16 bit eloquence where they try to convert and upsample it and
well it never sounded right.

Back then you had speakers with limited ranges, etc.
Dectalk was never designed for modern sound hardware plain and simple.
It was never meant to do more than speak.
Singing was a gimic, the only reason it took off was that a few
decided to do it and do it well, they even put it in sound projects.
Now you can emulate this with plugins like chipspeak and there is an
analog something which I forget.
Dectalk aint crap, but its reached the end of its lifecycle.
The best version right now is a coppy of the demo 4.3 software player
if you can get it.
manuals to write speech files in dec language should be about somewhere.
But yeah if someone wants to put that as its own faq or something feel
free to copy it.
It was one of the best synths of its time.
The closest you can get is vocalwriter or vocaloid for the mac or
flinger for festival and no I have never managed to get that all
working.
Also you probably can't get it to work on its own without audio
editing software so well.
Now if anyone wants the archive bt sync key, email me off list and I'll give it.
its 2gb of files, but its not been updated in years.
Still, its got all the best, and worst creations in it.
Its the only record.
It to will die, because once all the users including myself pass I
don't think anyone will be reseeding it.

On 09/09/2020, Quentin Christensen <quentin@nvaccess.org> wrote:
Carlos,

It would be worth passing that feedback on the pronunciation in OneCore
back to Microsoft. If you can articulate the specific issues, it is worth
contacting
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/accessibility/disability-answer-desk or
https://microsoftaccessibility.uservoice.com/forums/307429-microsoft-accessibility-feedback

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Wed, Sep 9, 2020 at 11:17 AM CARLOS-ESTEBAN <
carlosestebanpianista@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi all.

I am can use the One Core voices. But in the Spanish Community the people
no use the voices One Core in Spanish, for example, the dictionary of the
voices in Spanish (Spain) need delete some words that is in the internal
dictionary of the voice, that affect the pronunciation of some words in
Spanish. In NVDA, is posible use the speech dictionaries for fixed this
problem, but Microsoft can delete this words or add an option for enable
o
disable the dictionary for users of other applications of text to speech
(in this case of Spanish).

I used Espeak all the time from 2012 to 2016, and I can follow use it. I
now also use IBM TTS. Is an add-on created by a developer of the Spanish
Community, a driver for IBM TTS or Eloquence. But the add-on on GitHub
only
have the driver, the user need copy the libraries or go to the options of
NVDA, IBM TTS and select the folder of the files. So, the driver is
legally, but when the user compiled and nvda-addon with the libraries
this
can consider that not is legally. So, Code Factory Eloquence and
Vocalizer
is Good, but in the Spanish Comunity not have many users (Few people use
it). In the Spanish Community is also very user Vocalizer, but some
people
not bull license, use a version distribute in Somme places. But the web
of
the Spanish Community (nvda.es) is a distributor of the Vocalizer NVDA
from Tiflotecnia and more people Buy now.

Many people in the Spanish Community says that Eloquence is the better
speech Synthesizer, because A lot of people don't get used to listening
to
Espeak NG and natural voices like One Core in navigation of Windows and
applications. Also, some people have problems with the frequencies of
Espeak.

One Core in Spanish is Good, but the internal dictionary need delete some
words and They don't have the intonation for questions, something that in
English United States voices, for example, yes have.

Regards.





Carlos Esteban Martínez Macías.

Músico (pianista) y también ayuda a usuarios ciegos y con discapacidad
visual con el uso de lectores de pantalla y tecnología.

Experto certificado en el lector de pantalla NVDA.



Musician (pianist) and help to the blind people, with use of screen
readers and technology. Certified expert in the screen reader NVDA.



NVDA certified expert certificate



*De: *mattias <mjonsson1986@gmail.com>
*Enviado: *martes, 8 de septiembre de 2020 18:44
*Para: *nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Asunto: *Re: [nvda] In-Process for 7th September is out



why all this glorifying for dectalk? yes it was fine for symbian. but not
on windows. the sound quality are crap

Den 8 september 2020 22:19:14 skrev "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@gmail.com
:


Well I personally wouldn't bother.

The dectalk from enablerehab has a lot of volume issues.

If you want to use dectalk, buy code factory eloquence and well it will
work.

That or buy a dectalk express for 600 us bucks for the usb version.

To be honest, the only reason, dectalk was actually ellivated about, old,
expired and generally crappy was the archive of music and crazyness
online.

Well no one writes for it anymore.

Its to old to bother with but well I guess if you want to you can.

Any version of eloquence will do.

If you are able to find a copy of window eyes there are folders to
install
dectalk for sapi4.

This will give you dectalk.

I don't think its worth it though.





On 9/09/2020 8:01 am, Jesse Farquharson wrote:

I desperately want to be able to use DecTalk again.




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Re: In-Process for 7th September is out

Quentin Christensen
 

Carlos,

It would be worth passing that feedback on the pronunciation in OneCore back to Microsoft.  If you can articulate the specific issues, it is worth contacting https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/accessibility/disability-answer-desk or https://microsoftaccessibility.uservoice.com/forums/307429-microsoft-accessibility-feedback

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Wed, Sep 9, 2020 at 11:17 AM CARLOS-ESTEBAN <carlosestebanpianista@...> wrote:

Hi all.

I am can use the One Core voices. But in the Spanish Community the people no use the voices One Core in Spanish, for example, the dictionary of the voices in Spanish (Spain) need delete some words that is in the internal dictionary of the voice, that affect the pronunciation of some words in Spanish. In NVDA, is posible use the speech dictionaries for fixed this problem, but Microsoft can delete this words or add an option for enable o disable the dictionary for users of other applications of text to speech (in this case of Spanish).

I used Espeak all the time  from 2012 to 2016, and I can follow use it. I now also use IBM TTS. Is an add-on created by a developer of the Spanish Community, a driver for IBM TTS or Eloquence. But the add-on on GitHub only have the driver, the user need copy the libraries or go to the options of NVDA, IBM TTS and select the folder of the files. So, the driver is legally, but when the user compiled and nvda-addon with the libraries this can consider that not is legally. So, Code Factory Eloquence and Vocalizer is Good, but in the Spanish Comunity not have many users (Few people use it). In the Spanish Community is also very user Vocalizer, but some people not bull license, use a version distribute in Somme places. But the web of the Spanish Community (nvda.es) is a distributor of the Vocalizer NVDA from Tiflotecnia and more people Buy now.

Many people in the Spanish Community says that Eloquence is the better speech Synthesizer, because A lot of people don't get used to listening to Espeak NG and natural voices like One Core in navigation of Windows and applications. Also, some people have problems with the frequencies of Espeak.

One Core in Spanish is Good, but the internal dictionary need delete some words and They don't have the intonation for questions, something that in English United States voices, for example, yes have.

Regards.

 

 

Carlos Esteban Martínez Macías.

Músico (pianista) y también ayuda a usuarios ciegos y con discapacidad visual con el uso de lectores de pantalla y tecnología.

Experto certificado en el lector de pantalla NVDA.

 

Musician (pianist) and help to the blind people, with use of screen readers and technology. Certified expert in the screen reader NVDA.

 

NVDA certified expert certificate

 

De: mattias
Enviado: martes, 8 de septiembre de 2020 18:44
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Asunto: Re: [nvda] In-Process for 7th September is out

 

why all this glorifying for dectalk? yes it was fine for symbian. but not on windows. the sound quality are crap

Den 8 september 2020 22:19:14 skrev "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@...>:

 

Well I personally wouldn't bother.

The dectalk from enablerehab has a lot of volume issues.

If you want to use dectalk, buy code factory eloquence and well it will work.

That or buy a dectalk express for 600 us bucks for the usb version.

To be honest, the only reason, dectalk was actually ellivated about, old, expired and generally crappy was the archive of music and crazyness online.

Well no one writes for it anymore.

Its to old to bother with but well I guess if you want to you can.

Any version of eloquence will do.

If you are able to find a copy of window eyes there are folders to install dectalk for sapi4.

This will give you dectalk.

I don't think its worth it though.

 

 

On 9/09/2020 8:01 am, Jesse Farquharson wrote:

I desperately want to be able to use DecTalk again.

 



--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager


Re: In-Process for 7th September is out

CARLOS-ESTEBAN <carlosestebanpianista@...>
 

Hi all.

I am can use the One Core voices. But in the Spanish Community the people no use the voices One Core in Spanish, for example, the dictionary of the voices in Spanish (Spain) need delete some words that is in the internal dictionary of the voice, that affect the pronunciation of some words in Spanish. In NVDA, is posible use the speech dictionaries for fixed this problem, but Microsoft can delete this words or add an option for enable o disable the dictionary for users of other applications of text to speech (in this case of Spanish).

I used Espeak all the time  from 2012 to 2016, and I can follow use it. I now also use IBM TTS. Is an add-on created by a developer of the Spanish Community, a driver for IBM TTS or Eloquence. But the add-on on GitHub only have the driver, the user need copy the libraries or go to the options of NVDA, IBM TTS and select the folder of the files. So, the driver is legally, but when the user compiled and nvda-addon with the libraries this can consider that not is legally. So, Code Factory Eloquence and Vocalizer is Good, but in the Spanish Comunity not have many users (Few people use it). In the Spanish Community is also very user Vocalizer, but some people not bull license, use a version distribute in Somme places. But the web of the Spanish Community (nvda.es) is a distributor of the Vocalizer NVDA from Tiflotecnia and more people Buy now.

Many people in the Spanish Community says that Eloquence is the better speech Synthesizer, because A lot of people don't get used to listening to Espeak NG and natural voices like One Core in navigation of Windows and applications. Also, some people have problems with the frequencies of Espeak.

One Core in Spanish is Good, but the internal dictionary need delete some words and They don't have the intonation for questions, something that in English United States voices, for example, yes have.

Regards.

 

 

Carlos Esteban Martínez Macías.

Músico (pianista) y también ayuda a usuarios ciegos y con discapacidad visual con el uso de lectores de pantalla y tecnología.

Experto certificado en el lector de pantalla NVDA.

 

Musician (pianist) and help to the blind people, with use of screen readers and technology. Certified expert in the screen reader NVDA.

 

NVDA certified expert certificate

 

De: mattias
Enviado: martes, 8 de septiembre de 2020 18:44
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Asunto: Re: [nvda] In-Process for 7th September is out

 

why all this glorifying for dectalk? yes it was fine for symbian. but not on windows. the sound quality are crap

Den 8 september 2020 22:19:14 skrev "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@...>:

 

Well I personally wouldn't bother.

The dectalk from enablerehab has a lot of volume issues.

If you want to use dectalk, buy code factory eloquence and well it will work.

That or buy a dectalk express for 600 us bucks for the usb version.

To be honest, the only reason, dectalk was actually ellivated about, old, expired and generally crappy was the archive of music and crazyness online.

Well no one writes for it anymore.

Its to old to bother with but well I guess if you want to you can.

Any version of eloquence will do.

If you are able to find a copy of window eyes there are folders to install dectalk for sapi4.

This will give you dectalk.

I don't think its worth it though.

 

 

On 9/09/2020 8:01 am, Jesse Farquharson wrote:

I desperately want to be able to use DecTalk again.

 


Re: In-Process for 7th September is out

mattias
 

why all this glorifying for dectalk? yes it was fine for symbian. but not on windows. the sound quality are crap

Den 8 september 2020 22:19:14 skrev "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@...>:


Well I personally wouldn't bother.

The dectalk from enablerehab has a lot of volume issues.

If you want to use dectalk, buy code factory eloquence and well it will work.

That or buy a dectalk express for 600 us bucks for the usb version.

To be honest, the only reason, dectalk was actually ellivated about, old, expired and generally crappy was the archive of music and crazyness online.

Well no one writes for it anymore.

Its to old to bother with but well I guess if you want to you can.

Any version of eloquence will do.

If you are able to find a copy of window eyes there are folders to install dectalk for sapi4.

This will give you dectalk.

I don't think its worth it though.



On 9/09/2020 8:01 am, Jesse Farquharson wrote:

I desperately want to be able to use DecTalk again.


Re: Entering time values on youtube website

Sam Bushman
 

Please try this:

 

Youtube - How to link to a start time:

Add to the end of the URL:

Shortened URL's:

?t=0m20s

Full URL's:

&t=0m20s

 

Hope this helps.

 

Thanks,

Sam

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2020 5:04 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Entering time values on youtube website

 

You can actually modify the URL with I think something like t=600 for 600 seconds. If you know what you are doing, you can modify that uRL to do a lot. You will have to consult our best friend zootle (I changed the name so as not to trigger anyone's homes) and find the exact codes.

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Check out my adventures with a shadow machine.

to subscribe to the feed click here and you can also follow us on twitter

Our discord is where you will know when we go live on twitch. Feel free to give the channel a follow and see what is up there.

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On 8 Sep 2020, at 13:46, JM Casey wrote:

Hello everyone. Using NVDA 2020.2, and, in this case, Chrome, my favourite browser for a ccessing youtube as it is extremely responsive to the keyboard commands.

Recently I’ve come to use youtube more than usual, and have finally taken a good amount of time to figure out how the interface actually works, how to navigate channels and the player, etc. I’ve come across some recordings that are several hours long. A cool thing is that if I exit the site for whatever reason and then come back to it, even well after the browser session is closed, my place is usually “remembered” by youtube. However, I’d like to be able to specify the time at which to start playing in presentations that are sometimes 6+ hours long. I am pretty sure this can be done, but I’m having trouble figuring out where the cursor should be positioned to enter in the vlue. I have tried switching browse mode off and being in the position where the current elapsed time fo the recording is shown, but this doesn’t seem to do the trick. I believe I understand what the format should be (hours:minutes:seconds).

Any tips?

Thanks!

 

 


Re: Entering time values on youtube website

Sarah k Alawami
 

You can actually modify the URL with I think something like t=600 for 600 seconds. If you know what you are doing, you can modify that uRL to do a lot. You will have to consult our best friend zootle (I changed the name so as not to trigger anyone's homes) and find the exact codes.

--

Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website.

Check out my adventures with a shadow machine.

to subscribe to the feed click here and you can also follow us on twitter

Our discord is where you will know when we go live on twitch. Feel free to give the channel a follow and see what is up there.

For stream archives, products you can buy and more visit my main lbry page and my tffp lbry page You will also be able to buy some of my products and eBooks there.

Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here

On 8 Sep 2020, at 13:46, JM Casey wrote:

Hello everyone. Using NVDA 2020.2, and, in this case, Chrome, my favourite browser for a ccessing youtube as it is extremely responsive to the keyboard commands.

Recently I’ve come to use youtube more than usual, and have finally taken a good amount of time to figure out how the interface actually works, how to navigate channels and the player, etc. I’ve come across some recordings that are several hours long. A cool thing is that if I exit the site for whatever reason and then come back to it, even well after the browser session is closed, my place is usually “remembered” by youtube. However, I’d like to be able to specify the time at which to start playing in presentations that are sometimes 6+ hours long. I am pretty sure this can be done, but I’m having trouble figuring out where the cursor should be positioned to enter in the vlue. I have tried switching browse mode off and being in the position where the current elapsed time fo the recording is shown, but this doesn’t seem to do the trick. I believe I understand what the format should be (hours:minutes:seconds).

Any tips?

Thanks!

 

 


Re: Entering time values on youtube website

JM Casey
 

Good find. The url supplementary parameter/address bar method is -- good enough.Cheers...

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: September 8, 2020 5:53 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Entering time values on youtube website

The controls are standard, a slider is a slider, an edit field is an edit field. You may find some way to do so, but I looked at the page of a playing video, I paused it to hear the screen-reader well but that doesn't matter, and I found no way to do so..

A Google search discloses a way to do this.
https://www.nexxtep.com/blog/2009/08/how-jump-to-a-specific-time-in-a-youtube-video-url
This has nothing to do with working with the interface, however. It is a way to add a time to the link to the video. You would have to check the time shown in the slider, copy the address from the address bar, add the time as described in the article, then save it using Notepad for future reference. You would paste it into the browser's address bar and go to the address, just as you would any address.

Regarding the numbers 1 through 9, they move through a video by percents of the file. If a file is short, the percent moved is much smaller than if the file is larger. 1 or 2 percent of a six hour file is a much larger time than 1 or 2 percent of a ten minute file.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: JM Casey
Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2020 4:33 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Entering time values on youtube website

Hello gene.

Thanks. I had started discovering you could do this with number keys but the results weren't exactly as satisfactory as I would have hoped since the sections delineated seemed somewhat arbitrary. I will experiment a bit more. I really want to be able to enter a time value. Since the youtube player is some kind of web application I don't necessarily expect to see something "normal" like an edit field. I really thought at some point I had read that you could specify a time value to go to, but now I must concede that may not be the case at all.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: September 8, 2020 5:06 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Entering time values on youtube website

I doubt there is such a way. When you move through a file by time, you are using a slider and it has no provision for working as an edit field. I checked and I foumd no edit field on a page with a video playing.

Do you know how to use numbers 1 through 9 to jump through a file? On a file this long, the jumps will be very large but it may get you close enough to where you want to be often enough that it will help quite a bit if you know how. If not, the best way, if moving to the correct time is cumbersome, might be to download the file and use a player on your computer to set a time point for.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: JM Casey
Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2020 3:46 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Entering time values on youtube website



Hello everyone. Using NVDA 2020.2, and, in this case, Chrome, my favourite
browser for a ccessing youtube as it is extremely responsive to the keyboard
commands.

Recently I’ve come to use youtube more than usual, and have finally taken a
good amount of time to figure out how the interface actually works, how to
navigate channels and the player, etc. I’ve come across some recordings that
are several hours long. A cool thing is that if I exit the site for whatever
reason and then come back to it, even well after the browser session is
closed, my place is usually “remembered” by youtube. However, I’d like to be
able to specify the time at which to start playing in presentations that are
sometimes 6+ hours long. I am pretty sure this can be done, but I’m having
trouble figuring out where the cursor should be positioned to enter in the
vlue. I have tried switching browse mode off and being in the position where
the current elapsed time fo the recording is shown, but this doesn’t seem to
do the trick. I believe I understand what the format should be
(hours:minutes:seconds).

Any tips?

Thanks!


Re: Entering time values on youtube website

Gene
 

The controls are standard, a slider is a slider, an edit field is an edit field. You may find some way to do so, but I looked at the page of a playing video, I paused it to hear the screen-reader well but that doesn't matter, and I found no way to do so..

A Google search discloses a way to do this.
https://www.nexxtep.com/blog/2009/08/how-jump-to-a-specific-time-in-a-youtube-video-url
This has nothing to do with working with the interface, however. It is a way to add a time to the link to the video. You would have to check the time shown in the slider, copy the address from the address bar, add the time as described in the article, then save it using Notepad for future reference. You would paste it into the browser's address bar and go to the address, just as you would any address.

Regarding the numbers 1 through 9, they move through a video by percents of the file. If a file is short, the percent moved is much smaller than if the file is larger. 1 or 2 percent of a six hour file is a much larger time than 1 or 2 percent of a ten minute file.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: JM Casey
Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2020 4:33 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Entering time values on youtube website

Hello gene.

Thanks. I had started discovering you could do this with number keys but the results weren't exactly as satisfactory as I would have hoped since the sections delineated seemed somewhat arbitrary. I will experiment a bit more. I really want to be able to enter a time value. Since the youtube player is some kind of web application I don't necessarily expect to see something "normal" like an edit field. I really thought at some point I had read that you could specify a time value to go to, but now I must concede that may not be the case at all.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: September 8, 2020 5:06 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Entering time values on youtube website

I doubt there is such a way. When you move through a file by time, you are using a slider and it has no provision for working as an edit field. I checked and I foumd no edit field on a page with a video playing.

Do you know how to use numbers 1 through 9 to jump through a file? On a file this long, the jumps will be very large but it may get you close enough to where you want to be often enough that it will help quite a bit if you know how. If not, the best way, if moving to the correct time is cumbersome, might be to download the file and use a player on your computer to set a time point for.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: JM Casey
Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2020 3:46 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Entering time values on youtube website



Hello everyone. Using NVDA 2020.2, and, in this case, Chrome, my favourite
browser for a ccessing youtube as it is extremely responsive to the keyboard
commands.

Recently I’ve come to use youtube more than usual, and have finally taken a
good amount of time to figure out how the interface actually works, how to
navigate channels and the player, etc. I’ve come across some recordings that
are several hours long. A cool thing is that if I exit the site for whatever
reason and then come back to it, even well after the browser session is
closed, my place is usually “remembered” by youtube. However, I’d like to be
able to specify the time at which to start playing in presentations that are
sometimes 6+ hours long. I am pretty sure this can be done, but I’m having
trouble figuring out where the cursor should be positioned to enter in the
vlue. I have tried switching browse mode off and being in the position where
the current elapsed time fo the recording is shown, but this doesn’t seem to
do the trick. I believe I understand what the format should be
(hours:minutes:seconds).

Any tips?

Thanks!


Re: In-Process for 7th September is out

 

Well its next to impossible to make the dectalk sing at least not with the latest stuff.

I am unsure where or if you can still get dectalk player 4.3, which was the last demo that did this.


There is a dectalk archive in bt sync which if you really want I can zip, and put up on dropbox if you send me a link.

That alone should have what you want, its also on resilio if you really want that and I can email that to you.

Again its not worth it.

It used to be the rage but the sapi one won't sing.


I am not sure about the dectalk usb, but since no systems have serial and even if they do, you will probably need a physical synth, point is you need windows 98, 95, or dos.


The nt based os just don't like serial anything and certainly not direct serial connections of any sort.



On 9/09/2020 8:27 am, Jesse Farquharson wrote:

Right. The singing is what I want it for. If I could figure out how to make Eloquence sing then I would. But in my previous attempts to do so, I haven't been able to.


Re: In-Process for 7th September is out

Gene
 

I forgot to answer your question. It should work on Windows 10. SAPI 5 is a speech standard developed by Microsoft and it is compatible with Windows 10. It is compatible as far back asXP. I don't know if SAPI 5 goes farther back.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2020 4:26 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] In-Process for 7th September is out

Will the RH voice work on windows 10?



On 9/8/2020 12:59 PM, Kevin Cussick via groups.io wrote:
Rh voice would be nice I will get the page later if you need it or maybe someone else will b beet me to it.

On 08/09/2020 02:15, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
I think that's a great idea. If more people spoke up about their favorite voices, we could get them added to NVDA.



On 9/7/2020 10:27 AM, Leslie wrote:

Hay, maybe if we can hear from a large number of people who like these voices, maybe we can get them added to NVDA. As nonpremium voices. We know they are always improving.

Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986>; for Windows 10

*From: *Rosemarie Chavarria <mailto:knitqueen2007@gmail.com>
*Sent: *Monday, September 7, 2020 9:49 AM
*To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject: *Re: [nvda] In-Process for 7th September is out

I'd also like to see the cortana voice added to NVDA without charge. I really like how she sounds. My favorite voice in the one-core voices is thefemale voice called Zera. She sounds very clear.

On 9/7/2020 9:04 AM, Leslie wrote:

As I’ve said before, I just love NVDA. And it has all the features
I need being an average computer user. I do think that NVDA.
Should add more of the truly great voices that are out there. I
love the 1 core voices and I also love Nuance. I think that
Cortana voice is one of the best. I’d like to see her added to
NVDA. Without charge. I think the original voices that NVDA. Had
are now pasee and should be droped because their quality isn’t
good anymore. What do you guys think?

Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986>;
for Windows 10

*From: *Shaun Everiss <mailto:sm.everiss@gmail.com>
*Sent: *Monday, September 7, 2020 12:37 AM
*To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject: *Re: [nvda] In-Process for 7th September is out

Hmph, if you are happy to pay a load of cash for each version
update from freedomscientiffic or visparo etc thats your issue,
have issues with licences, need scripts for just about everything
like win98 needs drivers, are happy with the possible bad
technical support issues going about and are happy that if it
screws up you need to repair, reinstall or reformat if it totally
goes nuts, not to mention that visparo like suing everyone under
the sun well more than I'd like, go ahead.

When I used their stuff it was ok, but yeah, I never really had
that many problems with it.

Never got into the payed script racket, either.

I had to repair it once or twice, but that was before it became a
beast.

Compaired to nvda well who knows.

The information bandied round the list pluss a few other user
experiences not my own pluss the fact that due to jaws and issues
causing me to have to reformat to make them completely quit, but
mostly information on here pluss what I hear from time to time,
especially with how they got all the competing companies bar
dolphin and that probably because they only just moved out of
using internet explorer puts the impression on me that like
microsoft used to be and may still be that this is a monopoly I
would really like to see the back of.

I certainly am happy I no longer use their software, and unless I
got a job which is what jaws is bandied about by various
governments and stuff, I wouldn't touch it unless I had the cash.

To be hhonest this goes for dolphin stuff which is why I got in
the beta program but that was for a completely selfish reason that
being smuglers, its about all I care about now days.

To be honest, I don't much care for a company who is clearly
running a business for the charity, government and enterprise
market with prices to high for average users to buy, and needing
expensive upgrades and modules for remote access with specialised
blindy bits and bobs.

Nvda and things like narator have opened me to the mainstream, and
with mainstream devices like the amazon echo devices and smart
phones about, when the new normal comes along, I think some of
these things will fall away sharply.

Dolphin seems to recognise this, so does avast.

So does nvaccess which is why I use them for most of my stuff.

Now there are a few things nvda does not do, but everything has
its limits.

But if you plan to use a wordprocesser, a desktop app, a web
brouser or email client or any office app or app using standard
controls or terminals then you don't need jaws for that.

Now some of the mega custom apps and the like specialised
programs, will need specialised software, and yeah, jaws is what
you need and will always need.

Thats not nvda's job.

The job of nvda is to handle all the normal business and home
applications that use standard controls, and the like as well as
web interfaces.

To be honest that is what may happen, specialised software will
need specialised software, and will be charged accordingly.

The only reason I'd get jaws is leasy thats about the only reason
I'd buy jaws now.

And to be honest if leasy would just sell its games module then
I'd just buy that.

On 7/09/2020 12:55 pm, Ron Kolesar wrote:

Here’s hoping it would make the Microsoft Flight simulator
2020 program more accessible.

Unlike it’s predecessor FSX, FS 2020 is not accessible for we
who need to see with our ears.

Even though, all throughout the newsletters and you tube
tutorials, it does have accessibility if your sighted.

This in short isn’t fair.

So, here’s hoping the newer upgrade to NVDA is more accessible
for we blind flight simmer pilots.

Even though, in my opinion, JAWS is a much better program.

Just my opinion.

Ron Ham Radio and Emergency Communication Station KR3DOG

*From:* Quentin Christensen

*Sent:* Sunday, September 6, 2020 19:57

*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

*Subject:* [nvda] In-Process for 7th September is out

In-process is out, this week with news on the upcoming
NVDACon, a new accessible graphs project, a space-themed
accessible RPG and some general tips on making software
accessible:
https://www.nvaccess.org/post/in-process-7th-september-2020/
<https://www.nvaccess.org/post/in-process-7th-september-2020/>;

Regards

Quentin.

--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Web: www.nvaccess.org <http://www.nvaccess.org/>;

Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
<https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/>;

Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/
<https://certification.nvaccess.org/>;

User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda
<https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda>;

Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
<http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess>;
Twitter: @NVAccess <https://twitter.com/NVAccess>;

In the good old days of Morse code Shorthand, 73's AKA Best
Regards and or Best Whishes,From
Ron Kolesar
Volunteer Certified Licensed Emergency Communications Station
And
Volunteer Certified Licensed Ham Radio Station
With the Call Sign of KR3DOG


Re: In-Process for 7th September is out

Gene
 

There is a SAPI 5 version of the voice. I played with it this afternoon. I don't have Windows 10 so I can't compare it to the Windows 10 voices, whose name I don't recall now.

The voice I tried was alright, better than many free voices I've tried, but not nearly as good as Dectalk and Eloquence. Still, it may be that some people might want to use it.

However, and I'd have to play a lot more with this to determine if it was a fluke or an ongoing problem, it appeared to slow down my computer to have the SAPI 5 voice installed. Programs took longer to open. As I said, to determine if that was just how things were for some other reason for the time I have the voice on my machine, which was only a short time, or whether it was caused by the SAPI 5 version would require more testing. When I removed the version, things returned to normal.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2020 4:26 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] In-Process for 7th September is out

Will the RH voice work on windows 10?



On 9/8/2020 12:59 PM, Kevin Cussick via groups.io wrote:
Rh voice would be nice I will get the page later if you need it or maybe someone else will b beet me to it.

On 08/09/2020 02:15, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
I think that's a great idea. If more people spoke up about their favorite voices, we could get them added to NVDA.



On 9/7/2020 10:27 AM, Leslie wrote:

Hay, maybe if we can hear from a large number of people who like these voices, maybe we can get them added to NVDA. As nonpremium voices. We know they are always improving.

Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986>; for Windows 10

*From: *Rosemarie Chavarria <mailto:knitqueen2007@gmail.com>
*Sent: *Monday, September 7, 2020 9:49 AM
*To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject: *Re: [nvda] In-Process for 7th September is out

I'd also like to see the cortana voice added to NVDA without charge. I really like how she sounds. My favorite voice in the one-core voices is thefemale voice called Zera. She sounds very clear.

On 9/7/2020 9:04 AM, Leslie wrote:

As I’ve said before, I just love NVDA. And it has all the features
I need being an average computer user. I do think that NVDA.
Should add more of the truly great voices that are out there. I
love the 1 core voices and I also love Nuance. I think that
Cortana voice is one of the best. I’d like to see her added to
NVDA. Without charge. I think the original voices that NVDA. Had
are now pasee and should be droped because their quality isn’t
good anymore. What do you guys think?

Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986>;
for Windows 10

*From: *Shaun Everiss <mailto:sm.everiss@gmail.com>
*Sent: *Monday, September 7, 2020 12:37 AM
*To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject: *Re: [nvda] In-Process for 7th September is out

Hmph, if you are happy to pay a load of cash for each version
update from freedomscientiffic or visparo etc thats your issue,
have issues with licences, need scripts for just about everything
like win98 needs drivers, are happy with the possible bad
technical support issues going about and are happy that if it
screws up you need to repair, reinstall or reformat if it totally
goes nuts, not to mention that visparo like suing everyone under
the sun well more than I'd like, go ahead.

When I used their stuff it was ok, but yeah, I never really had
that many problems with it.

Never got into the payed script racket, either.

I had to repair it once or twice, but that was before it became a
beast.

Compaired to nvda well who knows.

The information bandied round the list pluss a few other user
experiences not my own pluss the fact that due to jaws and issues
causing me to have to reformat to make them completely quit, but
mostly information on here pluss what I hear from time to time,
especially with how they got all the competing companies bar
dolphin and that probably because they only just moved out of
using internet explorer puts the impression on me that like
microsoft used to be and may still be that this is a monopoly I
would really like to see the back of.

I certainly am happy I no longer use their software, and unless I
got a job which is what jaws is bandied about by various
governments and stuff, I wouldn't touch it unless I had the cash.

To be hhonest this goes for dolphin stuff which is why I got in
the beta program but that was for a completely selfish reason that
being smuglers, its about all I care about now days.

To be honest, I don't much care for a company who is clearly
running a business for the charity, government and enterprise
market with prices to high for average users to buy, and needing
expensive upgrades and modules for remote access with specialised
blindy bits and bobs.

Nvda and things like narator have opened me to the mainstream, and
with mainstream devices like the amazon echo devices and smart
phones about, when the new normal comes along, I think some of
these things will fall away sharply.

Dolphin seems to recognise this, so does avast.

So does nvaccess which is why I use them for most of my stuff.

Now there are a few things nvda does not do, but everything has
its limits.

But if you plan to use a wordprocesser, a desktop app, a web
brouser or email client or any office app or app using standard
controls or terminals then you don't need jaws for that.

Now some of the mega custom apps and the like specialised
programs, will need specialised software, and yeah, jaws is what
you need and will always need.

Thats not nvda's job.

The job of nvda is to handle all the normal business and home
applications that use standard controls, and the like as well as
web interfaces.

To be honest that is what may happen, specialised software will
need specialised software, and will be charged accordingly.

The only reason I'd get jaws is leasy thats about the only reason
I'd buy jaws now.

And to be honest if leasy would just sell its games module then
I'd just buy that.

On 7/09/2020 12:55 pm, Ron Kolesar wrote:

Here’s hoping it would make the Microsoft Flight simulator
2020 program more accessible.

Unlike it’s predecessor FSX, FS 2020 is not accessible for we
who need to see with our ears.

Even though, all throughout the newsletters and you tube
tutorials, it does have accessibility if your sighted.

This in short isn’t fair.

So, here’s hoping the newer upgrade to NVDA is more accessible
for we blind flight simmer pilots.

Even though, in my opinion, JAWS is a much better program.

Just my opinion.

Ron Ham Radio and Emergency Communication Station KR3DOG

*From:* Quentin Christensen

*Sent:* Sunday, September 6, 2020 19:57

*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

*Subject:* [nvda] In-Process for 7th September is out

In-process is out, this week with news on the upcoming
NVDACon, a new accessible graphs project, a space-themed
accessible RPG and some general tips on making software
accessible:
https://www.nvaccess.org/post/in-process-7th-september-2020/
<https://www.nvaccess.org/post/in-process-7th-september-2020/>;

Regards

Quentin.

--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Web: www.nvaccess.org <http://www.nvaccess.org/>;

Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
<https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/>;

Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/
<https://certification.nvaccess.org/>;

User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda
<https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda>;

Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
<http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess>;
Twitter: @NVAccess <https://twitter.com/NVAccess>;

In the good old days of Morse code Shorthand, 73's AKA Best
Regards and or Best Whishes,From
Ron Kolesar
Volunteer Certified Licensed Emergency Communications Station
And
Volunteer Certified Licensed Ham Radio Station
With the Call Sign of KR3DOG


Re: Entering time values on youtube website

JM Casey
 

Hello gene.

Thanks. I had started discovering you could do this with number keys but the results weren't exactly as satisfactory as I would have hoped since the sections delineated seemed somewhat arbitrary. I will experiment a bit more. I really want to be able to enter a time value. Since the youtube player is some kind of web application I don't necessarily expect to see something "normal" like an edit field. I really thought at some point I had read that you could specify a time value to go to, but now I must concede that may not be the case at all.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: September 8, 2020 5:06 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Entering time values on youtube website

I doubt there is such a way. When you move through a file by time, you are using a slider and it has no provision for working as an edit field. I checked and I foumd no edit field on a page with a video playing.

Do you know how to use numbers 1 through 9 to jump through a file? On a file this long, the jumps will be very large but it may get you close enough to where you want to be often enough that it will help quite a bit if you know how. If not, the best way, if moving to the correct time is cumbersome, might be to download the file and use a player on your computer to set a time point for.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: JM Casey
Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2020 3:46 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Entering time values on youtube website



Hello everyone. Using NVDA 2020.2, and, in this case, Chrome, my favourite
browser for a ccessing youtube as it is extremely responsive to the keyboard
commands.

Recently I’ve come to use youtube more than usual, and have finally taken a
good amount of time to figure out how the interface actually works, how to
navigate channels and the player, etc. I’ve come across some recordings that
are several hours long. A cool thing is that if I exit the site for whatever
reason and then come back to it, even well after the browser session is
closed, my place is usually “remembered” by youtube. However, I’d like to be
able to specify the time at which to start playing in presentations that are
sometimes 6+ hours long. I am pretty sure this can be done, but I’m having
trouble figuring out where the cursor should be positioned to enter in the
vlue. I have tried switching browse mode off and being in the position where
the current elapsed time fo the recording is shown, but this doesn’t seem to
do the trick. I believe I understand what the format should be
(hours:minutes:seconds).

Any tips?

Thanks!


Re: In-Process for 7th September is out

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Will the RH voice work on windows 10?

On 9/8/2020 12:59 PM, Kevin Cussick via groups.io wrote:
Rh voice would be nice I will get the page later if you need it or maybe someone else will b beet me to it.

On 08/09/2020 02:15, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
I think that's a great idea. If more people spoke up about their favorite voices, we could get them added to NVDA.



On 9/7/2020 10:27 AM, Leslie wrote:

Hay, maybe if we can hear from a large number of people who like these voices, maybe we can get them added to NVDA. As nonpremium voices.  We know they are always improving.

Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986>; for Windows 10

*From: *Rosemarie Chavarria <mailto:knitqueen2007@gmail.com>
*Sent: *Monday, September 7, 2020 9:49 AM
*To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject: *Re: [nvda] In-Process for 7th September is out

I'd also like to see the cortana voice added to NVDA without charge. I really like how she sounds. My favorite voice in the one-core voices is thefemale voice called Zera. She sounds very clear.

On 9/7/2020 9:04 AM, Leslie wrote:

    As I’ve said before, I just love NVDA. And it has all the features
    I need being an average computer user.  I do think that NVDA.
    Should add more of the truly great voices that are out there.  I
    love the 1 core voices and I also love Nuance.  I think that
    Cortana voice is one of the best.  I’d like to see her added to
    NVDA. Without charge.  I think the original voices that NVDA. Had
    are now pasee and should be droped because their quality isn’t
    good anymore.  What do you guys think?

    Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986>;
    for Windows 10

    *From: *Shaun Everiss <mailto:sm.everiss@gmail.com>
    *Sent: *Monday, September 7, 2020 12:37 AM
    *To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
    *Subject: *Re: [nvda] In-Process for 7th September is out

    Hmph, if you are happy to pay a load of cash for each version
    update  from freedomscientiffic or visparo etc thats your issue,
    have issues with licences, need scripts for just about everything
    like win98 needs drivers, are happy with the possible bad
    technical support issues going about and are happy that if it
    screws up you need to repair, reinstall or reformat if it totally
    goes nuts, not to mention that visparo like suing everyone under
    the sun well more than I'd like, go ahead.

    When I used their stuff it was ok, but yeah, I never really had
    that many problems with it.

    Never got into the payed script racket, either.

    I had to repair it once or twice, but that was before it became a
    beast.

    Compaired to nvda well who knows.

    The information bandied round the list pluss a few other user
    experiences not my own pluss the fact that due to jaws and issues
    causing me to have to reformat to make them completely quit, but
    mostly information on here pluss what I hear from time to time,
    especially with how they got all the competing companies bar
    dolphin and that probably because they only just moved out of
    using internet explorer puts the impression on me that like
    microsoft used to be and may still be that this is a monopoly I
    would really like to see the back of.

    I certainly am happy I no longer use their software, and unless I
    got a job which is what jaws is bandied about by various
    governments and stuff, I wouldn't touch it unless I had the cash.

    To be hhonest this goes for dolphin stuff which is why I got in
    the beta program but that was for a completely selfish reason that
    being smuglers, its about all I care about now days.

    To be honest, I don't much care for a company who is clearly
    running a business for the charity, government and enterprise
    market with prices to high for average users to buy, and needing
    expensive upgrades and modules for remote access with specialised
    blindy bits and bobs.

    Nvda and things like narator have opened me to the mainstream, and
    with mainstream devices like the amazon echo devices and smart
    phones about, when the new normal comes along, I think some of
    these things will fall away sharply.

    Dolphin seems to recognise this, so does avast.

    So does nvaccess which is why I use them for most of my stuff.

    Now there are a few things nvda does not do, but everything has
    its limits.

    But if you plan to use a wordprocesser, a desktop app, a web
    brouser or email client or any office app or app using standard
    controls or terminals then you don't need jaws for that.

    Now some of the mega custom apps and the like specialised
    programs, will need specialised software, and yeah, jaws is what
    you need and will always need.

    Thats not nvda's job.

    The job of nvda is to handle all the normal business and home
    applications that use standard controls, and the like as well as
    web interfaces.

    To be honest that is what may happen, specialised software will
    need specialised software, and will be charged accordingly.

    The only reason I'd get jaws is leasy thats about the only reason
    I'd buy jaws now.

    And to be honest if leasy would just sell its games module then
    I'd just buy that.

    On 7/09/2020 12:55 pm, Ron Kolesar wrote:

        Here’s hoping it would make the Microsoft Flight simulator
        2020 program more accessible.

        Unlike it’s predecessor FSX, FS 2020 is not accessible for we
        who need to see with our ears.

        Even though, all throughout the newsletters and you tube
        tutorials, it does have accessibility if your sighted.

        This in short isn’t fair.

        So, here’s hoping the newer upgrade to NVDA is more accessible
        for we blind flight simmer pilots.

        Even though, in my opinion, JAWS is a much better program.

        Just my opinion.

        Ron Ham Radio and Emergency Communication Station KR3DOG

        *From:* Quentin Christensen

        *Sent:* Sunday, September 6, 2020 19:57

        *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

        *Subject:* [nvda] In-Process for 7th September is out

        In-process is out, this week with news on the upcoming
        NVDACon, a new accessible graphs project, a space-themed
        accessible RPG and some general tips on making software
        accessible:
https://www.nvaccess.org/post/in-process-7th-september-2020/
<https://www.nvaccess.org/post/in-process-7th-september-2020/>;

        Regards

        Quentin.

        --
        Quentin Christensen
        Training and Support Manager

        Web: www.nvaccess.org <http://www.nvaccess.org/>;

        Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
        <https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/>;

        Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/
        <https://certification.nvaccess.org/>;

        User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda
        <https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda>;

        Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
        <http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess>;
        Twitter: @NVAccess <https://twitter.com/NVAccess>;

        In the good old days of Morse code Shorthand, 73's AKA Best
        Regards and or Best Whishes,From
        Ron Kolesar
        Volunteer Certified Licensed Emergency Communications Station
        And
        Volunteer Certified Licensed Ham Radio Station
        With the Call Sign of KR3DOG


Re: Entering time values on youtube website

Gene
 

I doubt there is such a way. When you move through a file by time, you are using a slider and it has no provision for working as an edit field. I checked and I foumd no edit field on a page with a video playing.

Do you know how to use numbers 1 through 9 to jump through a file? On a file this long, the jumps will be very large but it may get you close enough to where you want to be often enough that it will help quite a bit if you know how. If not, the best way, if moving to the correct time is cumbersome, might be to download the file and use a player on your computer to set a time point for.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: JM Casey
Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2020 3:46 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Entering time values on youtube website



Hello everyone. Using NVDA 2020.2, and, in this case, Chrome, my favourite browser for a ccessing youtube as it is extremely responsive to the keyboard commands.

Recently I’ve come to use youtube more than usual, and have finally taken a good amount of time to figure out how the interface actually works, how to navigate channels and the player, etc. I’ve come across some recordings that are several hours long. A cool thing is that if I exit the site for whatever reason and then come back to it, even well after the browser session is closed, my place is usually “remembered” by youtube. However, I’d like to be able to specify the time at which to start playing in presentations that are sometimes 6+ hours long. I am pretty sure this can be done, but I’m having trouble figuring out where the cursor should be positioned to enter in the vlue. I have tried switching browse mode off and being in the position where the current elapsed time fo the recording is shown, but this doesn’t seem to do the trick. I believe I understand what the format should be (hours:minutes:seconds).

Any tips?

Thanks!


Entering time values on youtube website

JM Casey
 

Hello everyone. Using NVDA 2020.2, and, in this case, Chrome, my favourite browser for a ccessing youtube as it is extremely responsive to the keyboard commands.

Recently I’ve come to use youtube more than usual, and have finally taken a good amount of time to figure out how the interface actually works, how to navigate channels and the player, etc. I’ve come across some recordings that are several hours long. A cool thing is that if I exit the site for whatever reason and then come back to it, even well after the browser session is closed, my place is usually “remembered” by youtube. However, I’d like to be able to specify the time at which to start playing in presentations that are sometimes 6+ hours long. I am pretty sure this can be done, but I’m having trouble figuring out where the cursor should be positioned to enter in the vlue. I have tried switching browse mode off and being in the position where the current elapsed time fo the recording is shown, but this doesn’t seem to do the trick. I believe I understand what the format should be (hours:minutes:seconds).

Any tips?

Thanks!

 

 


Re: In-Process for 7th September is out

Jesse Farquharson
 

Right. The singing is what I want it for. If I could figure out how to make Eloquence sing then I would. But in my previous attempts to do so, I haven't been able to.


Re: In-Process for 7th September is out

 


Well I personally wouldn't bother.

The dectalk from enablerehab has a lot of volume issues.

If you want to use dectalk, buy code factory eloquence and well it will work.

That or buy a dectalk express for 600 us bucks for the usb version.

To be honest, the only reason, dectalk was actually ellivated about, old, expired and generally crappy was the archive of music and crazyness online.

Well no one writes for it anymore.

Its to old to bother with but well I guess if you want to you can.

Any version of eloquence will do.

If you are able to find a copy of window eyes there are folders to install dectalk for sapi4.

This will give you dectalk.

I don't think its worth it though.



On 9/09/2020 8:01 am, Jesse Farquharson wrote:

I desperately want to be able to use DecTalk again.


Re: In-Process for 7th September is out

Jesse Farquharson
 

I desperately want to be able to use DecTalk again.


Re: In-Process for 7th September is out

Kevin Cussick
 

Rh voice would be nice I will get the page later if you need it or maybe someone else will b beet me to it.

On 08/09/2020 02:15, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
I think that's a great idea. If more people spoke up about their favorite voices, we could get them added to NVDA.
On 9/7/2020 10:27 AM, Leslie wrote:

Hay, maybe if we can hear from a large number of people who like these voices, maybe we can get them added to NVDA. As nonpremium voices.  We know they are always improving.

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*Sent: *Monday, September 7, 2020 9:49 AM
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I'd also like to see the cortana voice added to NVDA without charge. I really like how she sounds. My favorite voice in the one-core voices is thefemale voice called Zera. She sounds very clear.

On 9/7/2020 9:04 AM, Leslie wrote:

As I’ve said before, I just love NVDA. And it has all the features
I need being an average computer user.  I do think that NVDA.
Should add more of the truly great voices that are out there.  I
love the 1 core voices and I also love Nuance.  I think that
Cortana voice is one of the best.  I’d like to see her added to
NVDA. Without charge.  I think the original voices that NVDA. Had
are now pasee and should be droped because their quality isn’t
good anymore.  What do you guys think?

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*Sent: *Monday, September 7, 2020 12:37 AM
*To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject: *Re: [nvda] In-Process for 7th September is out

Hmph, if you are happy to pay a load of cash for each version
update  from freedomscientiffic or visparo etc thats your issue,
have issues with licences, need scripts for just about everything
like win98 needs drivers, are happy with the possible bad
technical support issues going about and are happy that if it
screws up you need to repair, reinstall or reformat if it totally
goes nuts, not to mention that visparo like suing everyone under
the sun well more than I'd like, go ahead.

When I used their stuff it was ok, but yeah, I never really had
that many problems with it.

Never got into the payed script racket, either.

I had to repair it once or twice, but that was before it became a
beast.

Compaired to nvda well who knows.

The information bandied round the list pluss a few other user
experiences not my own pluss the fact that due to jaws and issues
causing me to have to reformat to make them completely quit, but
mostly information on here pluss what I hear from time to time,
especially with how they got all the competing companies bar
dolphin and that probably because they only just moved out of
using internet explorer puts the impression on me that like
microsoft used to be and may still be that this is a monopoly I
would really like to see the back of.

I certainly am happy I no longer use their software, and unless I
got a job which is what jaws is bandied about by various
governments and stuff, I wouldn't touch it unless I had the cash.

To be hhonest this goes for dolphin stuff which is why I got in
the beta program but that was for a completely selfish reason that
being smuglers, its about all I care about now days.

To be honest, I don't much care for a company who is clearly
running a business for the charity, government and enterprise
market with prices to high for average users to buy, and needing
expensive upgrades and modules for remote access with specialised
blindy bits and bobs.

Nvda and things like narator have opened me to the mainstream, and
with mainstream devices like the amazon echo devices and smart
phones about, when the new normal comes along, I think some of
these things will fall away sharply.

Dolphin seems to recognise this, so does avast.

So does nvaccess which is why I use them for most of my stuff.

Now there are a few things nvda does not do, but everything has
its limits.

But if you plan to use a wordprocesser, a desktop app, a web
brouser or email client or any office app or app using standard
controls or terminals then you don't need jaws for that.

Now some of the mega custom apps and the like specialised
programs, will need specialised software, and yeah, jaws is what
you need and will always need.

Thats not nvda's job.

The job of nvda is to handle all the normal business and home
applications that use standard controls, and the like as well as
web interfaces.

To be honest that is what may happen, specialised software will
need specialised software, and will be charged accordingly.

The only reason I'd get jaws is leasy thats about the only reason
I'd buy jaws now.

And to be honest if leasy would just sell its games module then
I'd just buy that.

On 7/09/2020 12:55 pm, Ron Kolesar wrote:

Here’s hoping it would make the Microsoft Flight simulator
2020 program more accessible.

Unlike it’s predecessor FSX, FS 2020 is not accessible for we
who need to see with our ears.

Even though, all throughout the newsletters and you tube
tutorials, it does have accessibility if your sighted.

This in short isn’t fair.

So, here’s hoping the newer upgrade to NVDA is more accessible
for we blind flight simmer pilots.

Even though, in my opinion, JAWS is a much better program.

Just my opinion.

Ron Ham Radio and Emergency Communication Station KR3DOG

*From:* Quentin Christensen

*Sent:* Sunday, September 6, 2020 19:57

*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

*Subject:* [nvda] In-Process for 7th September is out

In-process is out, this week with news on the upcoming
NVDACon, a new accessible graphs project, a space-themed
accessible RPG and some general tips on making software
accessible:
https://www.nvaccess.org/post/in-process-7th-september-2020/
<https://www.nvaccess.org/post/in-process-7th-september-2020/>;

Regards

Quentin.

--

Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Web: www.nvaccess.org <http://www.nvaccess.org/>;

Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
<https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/>;

Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/
<https://certification.nvaccess.org/>;

User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda
<https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda>;

Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
<http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess>;
Twitter: @NVAccess <https://twitter.com/NVAccess>;

In the good old days of Morse code Shorthand, 73's AKA Best
Regards and or Best Whishes,From
Ron Kolesar
Volunteer Certified Licensed Emergency Communications Station
And
Volunteer Certified Licensed Ham Radio Station
With the Call Sign of KR3DOG


Re: Long-standing NVDA bug with visual studio still unresolved

 

Hi,

If the problem is seen with VS 2015 while using NVDA 2020.2, then it is something for us (NVDA developers) should investigate further. Since it is not seen with JAWS, try using it with Narrator and see if that makes a difference. If Narrator does not exhibit this issue, then it might be something to do with the way NVDA handles IntelliSense control (specifically, the API class associated with it).

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Luke Robinett
Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2020 12:24 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Long-standing NVDA bug with visual studio still unresolved

 

Hello,

A link to the GitHub issue for this problem can be found at the end of this message. It has been reported that there is a bug in NVDA such that when the user tries to arrow up or down through IntelliSense suggestions while working in the code editor of visual studio 2017 that it doesn’t just read the menu option but rather the whole line of code every time, making the feature almost unusable.

I can confirm that this same issue still exists in visual studio 2019. It’s frustrating and disappointing that this bug has not been fixed. This problem did not exist in visual studio 2015 so we know NVDA is capable of properly announcing IntelliSense menu options, and the jaws screen reader does not exhibit this behavior so we know it’s not a problem with Microsoft. I’m really hoping somebody at NVDA will finally address and resolve this long-standing bug. Several tech savvy users have tried but haven’t been successful in correcting it.

 

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