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Re: In-Process for 7th September is out

Gene
 

I don't know what determines when the add-on works. It doesn't work on my Windows 64 bit machine and I've seen a few other reports of it not working, but I don't know if there is a pattern.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Kevin Cussick via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2020 2:20 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] In-Process for 7th September is out

the Nvda addon does not do this it is very responsive and for me just
works. I use it on windows and android.

On 08/09/2020 22:39, Gene wrote:
There is a SAPI 5 version of the voice. I played with it this afternoon. I don't have Windows 10 so I can't compare it to the Windows 10 voices, whose name I don't recall now.

The voice I tried was alright, better than many free voices I've tried, but not nearly as good as Dectalk and Eloquence. Still, it may be that some people might want to use it.

However, and I'd have to play a lot more with this to determine if it was a fluke or an ongoing problem, it appeared to slow down my computer to have the SAPI 5 voice installed. Programs took longer to open. As I said, to determine if that was just how things were for some other reason for the time I have the voice on my machine, which was only a short time, or whether it was caused by the SAPI 5 version would require more testing. When I removed the version, things returned to normal.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2020 4:26 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] In-Process for 7th September is out

Will the RH voice work on windows 10?



On 9/8/2020 12:59 PM, Kevin Cussick via groups.io wrote:
Rh voice would be nice I will get the page later if you need it or maybe someone else will b beet me to it.

On 08/09/2020 02:15, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
I think that's a great idea. If more people spoke up about their favorite voices, we could get them added to NVDA.



On 9/7/2020 10:27 AM, Leslie wrote:

Hay, maybe if we can hear from a large number of people who like these voices, maybe we can get them added to NVDA. As nonpremium voices. We know they are always improving.

Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10

*From: *Rosemarie Chavarria <mailto:knitqueen2007@gmail.com>
*Sent: *Monday, September 7, 2020 9:49 AM
*To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject: *Re: [nvda] In-Process for 7th September is out

I'd also like to see the cortana voice added to NVDA without charge. I really like how she sounds. My favorite voice in the one-core voices is thefemale voice called Zera. She sounds very clear.

On 9/7/2020 9:04 AM, Leslie wrote:

As I’ve said before, I just love NVDA. And it has all the features
I need being an average computer user. I do think that NVDA.
Should add more of the truly great voices that are out there. I
love the 1 core voices and I also love Nuance. I think that
Cortana voice is one of the best. I’d like to see her added to
NVDA. Without charge. I think the original voices that NVDA. Had
are now pasee and should be droped because their quality isn’t
good anymore. What do you guys think?

Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986>
for Windows 10

*From: *Shaun Everiss <mailto:sm.everiss@gmail.com>
*Sent: *Monday, September 7, 2020 12:37 AM
*To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject: *Re: [nvda] In-Process for 7th September is out

Hmph, if you are happy to pay a load of cash for each version
update from freedomscientiffic or visparo etc thats your issue,
have issues with licences, need scripts for just about everything
like win98 needs drivers, are happy with the possible bad
technical support issues going about and are happy that if it
screws up you need to repair, reinstall or reformat if it totally
goes nuts, not to mention that visparo like suing everyone under
the sun well more than I'd like, go ahead.

When I used their stuff it was ok, but yeah, I never really had
that many problems with it.

Never got into the payed script racket, either.

I had to repair it once or twice, but that was before it became a
beast.

Compaired to nvda well who knows.

The information bandied round the list pluss a few other user
experiences not my own pluss the fact that due to jaws and issues
causing me to have to reformat to make them completely quit, but
mostly information on here pluss what I hear from time to time,
especially with how they got all the competing companies bar
dolphin and that probably because they only just moved out of
using internet explorer puts the impression on me that like
microsoft used to be and may still be that this is a monopoly I
would really like to see the back of.

I certainly am happy I no longer use their software, and unless I
got a job which is what jaws is bandied about by various
governments and stuff, I wouldn't touch it unless I had the cash.

To be hhonest this goes for dolphin stuff which is why I got in
the beta program but that was for a completely selfish reason that
being smuglers, its about all I care about now days.

To be honest, I don't much care for a company who is clearly
running a business for the charity, government and enterprise
market with prices to high for average users to buy, and needing
expensive upgrades and modules for remote access with specialised
blindy bits and bobs.

Nvda and things like narator have opened me to the mainstream, and
with mainstream devices like the amazon echo devices and smart
phones about, when the new normal comes along, I think some of
these things will fall away sharply.

Dolphin seems to recognise this, so does avast.

So does nvaccess which is why I use them for most of my stuff.

Now there are a few things nvda does not do, but everything has
its limits.

But if you plan to use a wordprocesser, a desktop app, a web
brouser or email client or any office app or app using standard
controls or terminals then you don't need jaws for that.

Now some of the mega custom apps and the like specialised
programs, will need specialised software, and yeah, jaws is what
you need and will always need.

Thats not nvda's job.

The job of nvda is to handle all the normal business and home
applications that use standard controls, and the like as well as
web interfaces.

To be honest that is what may happen, specialised software will
need specialised software, and will be charged accordingly.

The only reason I'd get jaws is leasy thats about the only reason
I'd buy jaws now.

And to be honest if leasy would just sell its games module then
I'd just buy that.

On 7/09/2020 12:55 pm, Ron Kolesar wrote:

Here’s hoping it would make the Microsoft Flight simulator
2020 program more accessible.

Unlike it’s predecessor FSX, FS 2020 is not accessible for we
who need to see with our ears.

Even though, all throughout the newsletters and you tube
tutorials, it does have accessibility if your sighted.

This in short isn’t fair.

So, here’s hoping the newer upgrade to NVDA is more accessible
for we blind flight simmer pilots.

Even though, in my opinion, JAWS is a much better program.

Just my opinion.

Ron Ham Radio and Emergency Communication Station KR3DOG

*From:* Quentin Christensen

*Sent:* Sunday, September 6, 2020 19:57

*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

*Subject:* [nvda] In-Process for 7th September is out

In-process is out, this week with news on the upcoming
NVDACon, a new accessible graphs project, a space-themed
accessible RPG and some general tips on making software
accessible:
https://www.nvaccess.org/post/in-process-7th-september-2020/
<https://www.nvaccess.org/post/in-process-7th-september-2020/>

Regards

Quentin.

--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Web: www.nvaccess.org <http://www.nvaccess.org/>

Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
<https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/>

Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/
<https://certification.nvaccess.org/>

User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda
<https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda>

Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
<http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess>
Twitter: @NVAccess <https://twitter.com/NVAccess>

In the good old days of Morse code Shorthand, 73's AKA Best
Regards and or Best Whishes,From
Ron Kolesar
Volunteer Certified Licensed Emergency Communications Station
And
Volunteer Certified Licensed Ham Radio Station
With the Call Sign of KR3DOG






Re: In-Process for 7th September is out

Kevin Cussick
 

the Nvda addon does not do this it is very responsive and for me just works. I use it on windows and android.

On 08/09/2020 22:39, Gene wrote:
There is a SAPI 5 version of the voice.  I played with it this afternoon.  I don't have Windows 10 so I can't compare it to the Windows 10 voices, whose name I don't recall now.
The voice I tried was alright, better than many free voices I've tried, but not nearly as good as Dectalk and Eloquence.  Still, it may be that some people might want to use it.
However, and I'd have to play a lot more with this to determine if it was a fluke or an ongoing problem, it appeared to slow down my computer to have the SAPI 5 voice installed.  Programs took longer to open.  As I said, to determine if that was just how things were for some other reason for the time I have the voice on my machine, which was only a short time, or whether it was caused by the SAPI 5 version would require more testing.  When I removed the version, things returned to normal.
Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2020 4:26 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] In-Process for 7th September is out
Will the RH voice work on windows 10?
On 9/8/2020 12:59 PM, Kevin Cussick via groups.io wrote:
Rh voice would be nice I will get the page later if you need it or maybe someone else will b beet me to it.

On 08/09/2020 02:15, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
I think that's a great idea. If more people spoke up about their favorite voices, we could get them added to NVDA.



On 9/7/2020 10:27 AM, Leslie wrote:

Hay, maybe if we can hear from a large number of people who like these voices, maybe we can get them added to NVDA. As nonpremium voices.  We know they are always improving.

Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10

*From: *Rosemarie Chavarria <mailto:knitqueen2007@gmail.com>
*Sent: *Monday, September 7, 2020 9:49 AM
*To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject: *Re: [nvda] In-Process for 7th September is out

I'd also like to see the cortana voice added to NVDA without charge. I really like how she sounds. My favorite voice in the one-core voices is thefemale voice called Zera. She sounds very clear.

On 9/7/2020 9:04 AM, Leslie wrote:

    As I’ve said before, I just love NVDA. And it has all the features
    I need being an average computer user.  I do think that NVDA.
    Should add more of the truly great voices that are out there.  I
    love the 1 core voices and I also love Nuance.  I think that
    Cortana voice is one of the best.  I’d like to see her added to
    NVDA. Without charge.  I think the original voices that NVDA. Had
    are now pasee and should be droped because their quality isn’t
    good anymore.  What do you guys think?

    Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986>
    for Windows 10

    *From: *Shaun Everiss <mailto:sm.everiss@gmail.com>
    *Sent: *Monday, September 7, 2020 12:37 AM
    *To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
    *Subject: *Re: [nvda] In-Process for 7th September is out

    Hmph, if you are happy to pay a load of cash for each version
    update  from freedomscientiffic or visparo etc thats your issue,
    have issues with licences, need scripts for just about everything
    like win98 needs drivers, are happy with the possible bad
    technical support issues going about and are happy that if it
    screws up you need to repair, reinstall or reformat if it totally
    goes nuts, not to mention that visparo like suing everyone under
    the sun well more than I'd like, go ahead.

    When I used their stuff it was ok, but yeah, I never really had
    that many problems with it.

    Never got into the payed script racket, either.

    I had to repair it once or twice, but that was before it became a
    beast.

    Compaired to nvda well who knows.

    The information bandied round the list pluss a few other user
    experiences not my own pluss the fact that due to jaws and issues
    causing me to have to reformat to make them completely quit, but
    mostly information on here pluss what I hear from time to time,
    especially with how they got all the competing companies bar
    dolphin and that probably because they only just moved out of
    using internet explorer puts the impression on me that like
    microsoft used to be and may still be that this is a monopoly I
    would really like to see the back of.

    I certainly am happy I no longer use their software, and unless I
    got a job which is what jaws is bandied about by various
    governments and stuff, I wouldn't touch it unless I had the cash.

    To be hhonest this goes for dolphin stuff which is why I got in
    the beta program but that was for a completely selfish reason that
    being smuglers, its about all I care about now days.

    To be honest, I don't much care for a company who is clearly
    running a business for the charity, government and enterprise
    market with prices to high for average users to buy, and needing
    expensive upgrades and modules for remote access with specialised
    blindy bits and bobs.

    Nvda and things like narator have opened me to the mainstream, and
    with mainstream devices like the amazon echo devices and smart
    phones about, when the new normal comes along, I think some of
    these things will fall away sharply.

    Dolphin seems to recognise this, so does avast.

    So does nvaccess which is why I use them for most of my stuff.

    Now there are a few things nvda does not do, but everything has
    its limits.

    But if you plan to use a wordprocesser, a desktop app, a web
    brouser or email client or any office app or app using standard
    controls or terminals then you don't need jaws for that.

    Now some of the mega custom apps and the like specialised
    programs, will need specialised software, and yeah, jaws is what
    you need and will always need.

    Thats not nvda's job.

    The job of nvda is to handle all the normal business and home
    applications that use standard controls, and the like as well as
    web interfaces.

    To be honest that is what may happen, specialised software will
    need specialised software, and will be charged accordingly.

    The only reason I'd get jaws is leasy thats about the only reason
    I'd buy jaws now.

    And to be honest if leasy would just sell its games module then
    I'd just buy that.

    On 7/09/2020 12:55 pm, Ron Kolesar wrote:

        Here’s hoping it would make the Microsoft Flight simulator
        2020 program more accessible.

        Unlike it’s predecessor FSX, FS 2020 is not accessible for we
        who need to see with our ears.

        Even though, all throughout the newsletters and you tube
        tutorials, it does have accessibility if your sighted.

        This in short isn’t fair.

        So, here’s hoping the newer upgrade to NVDA is more accessible
        for we blind flight simmer pilots.

        Even though, in my opinion, JAWS is a much better program.

        Just my opinion.

        Ron Ham Radio and Emergency Communication Station KR3DOG

        *From:* Quentin Christensen

        *Sent:* Sunday, September 6, 2020 19:57

        *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

        *Subject:* [nvda] In-Process for 7th September is out

        In-process is out, this week with news on the upcoming
        NVDACon, a new accessible graphs project, a space-themed
        accessible RPG and some general tips on making software
        accessible:
https://www.nvaccess.org/post/in-process-7th-september-2020/
<https://www.nvaccess.org/post/in-process-7th-september-2020/>

        Regards

        Quentin.

        --
        Quentin Christensen
        Training and Support Manager

        Web: www.nvaccess.org <http://www.nvaccess.org/>

        Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
        <https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/>

        Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/
        <https://certification.nvaccess.org/>

        User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda
        <https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda>

        Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
        <http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess>
        Twitter: @NVAccess <https://twitter.com/NVAccess>

        In the good old days of Morse code Shorthand, 73's AKA Best
        Regards and or Best Whishes,From
        Ron Kolesar
        Volunteer Certified Licensed Emergency Communications Station
        And
        Volunteer Certified Licensed Ham Radio Station
        With the Call Sign of KR3DOG


Re: In-Process for 7th September is out

Kevin Cussick
 

Yes it does no problems.

On 08/09/2020 22:26, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Will the RH voice work on windows 10?
On 9/8/2020 12:59 PM, Kevin Cussick via groups.io wrote:
Rh voice would be nice I will get the page later if you need it or maybe someone else will b beet me to it.

On 08/09/2020 02:15, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
I think that's a great idea. If more people spoke up about their favorite voices, we could get them added to NVDA.



On 9/7/2020 10:27 AM, Leslie wrote:

Hay, maybe if we can hear from a large number of people who like these voices, maybe we can get them added to NVDA. As nonpremium voices.  We know they are always improving.

Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10

*From: *Rosemarie Chavarria <mailto:knitqueen2007@gmail.com>
*Sent: *Monday, September 7, 2020 9:49 AM
*To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject: *Re: [nvda] In-Process for 7th September is out

I'd also like to see the cortana voice added to NVDA without charge. I really like how she sounds. My favorite voice in the one-core voices is thefemale voice called Zera. She sounds very clear.

On 9/7/2020 9:04 AM, Leslie wrote:

    As I’ve said before, I just love NVDA. And it has all the features
    I need being an average computer user.  I do think that NVDA.
    Should add more of the truly great voices that are out there.  I
    love the 1 core voices and I also love Nuance.  I think that
    Cortana voice is one of the best.  I’d like to see her added to
    NVDA. Without charge.  I think the original voices that NVDA. Had
    are now pasee and should be droped because their quality isn’t
    good anymore.  What do you guys think?

    Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986>
    for Windows 10

    *From: *Shaun Everiss <mailto:sm.everiss@gmail.com>
    *Sent: *Monday, September 7, 2020 12:37 AM
    *To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
    *Subject: *Re: [nvda] In-Process for 7th September is out

    Hmph, if you are happy to pay a load of cash for each version
    update  from freedomscientiffic or visparo etc thats your issue,
    have issues with licences, need scripts for just about everything
    like win98 needs drivers, are happy with the possible bad
    technical support issues going about and are happy that if it
    screws up you need to repair, reinstall or reformat if it totally
    goes nuts, not to mention that visparo like suing everyone under
    the sun well more than I'd like, go ahead.

    When I used their stuff it was ok, but yeah, I never really had
    that many problems with it.

    Never got into the payed script racket, either.

    I had to repair it once or twice, but that was before it became a
    beast.

    Compaired to nvda well who knows.

    The information bandied round the list pluss a few other user
    experiences not my own pluss the fact that due to jaws and issues
    causing me to have to reformat to make them completely quit, but
    mostly information on here pluss what I hear from time to time,
    especially with how they got all the competing companies bar
    dolphin and that probably because they only just moved out of
    using internet explorer puts the impression on me that like
    microsoft used to be and may still be that this is a monopoly I
    would really like to see the back of.

    I certainly am happy I no longer use their software, and unless I
    got a job which is what jaws is bandied about by various
    governments and stuff, I wouldn't touch it unless I had the cash.

    To be hhonest this goes for dolphin stuff which is why I got in
    the beta program but that was for a completely selfish reason that
    being smuglers, its about all I care about now days.

    To be honest, I don't much care for a company who is clearly
    running a business for the charity, government and enterprise
    market with prices to high for average users to buy, and needing
    expensive upgrades and modules for remote access with specialised
    blindy bits and bobs.

    Nvda and things like narator have opened me to the mainstream, and
    with mainstream devices like the amazon echo devices and smart
    phones about, when the new normal comes along, I think some of
    these things will fall away sharply.

    Dolphin seems to recognise this, so does avast.

    So does nvaccess which is why I use them for most of my stuff.

    Now there are a few things nvda does not do, but everything has
    its limits.

    But if you plan to use a wordprocesser, a desktop app, a web
    brouser or email client or any office app or app using standard
    controls or terminals then you don't need jaws for that.

    Now some of the mega custom apps and the like specialised
    programs, will need specialised software, and yeah, jaws is what
    you need and will always need.

    Thats not nvda's job.

    The job of nvda is to handle all the normal business and home
    applications that use standard controls, and the like as well as
    web interfaces.

    To be honest that is what may happen, specialised software will
    need specialised software, and will be charged accordingly.

    The only reason I'd get jaws is leasy thats about the only reason
    I'd buy jaws now.

    And to be honest if leasy would just sell its games module then
    I'd just buy that.

    On 7/09/2020 12:55 pm, Ron Kolesar wrote:

        Here’s hoping it would make the Microsoft Flight simulator
        2020 program more accessible.

        Unlike it’s predecessor FSX, FS 2020 is not accessible for we
        who need to see with our ears.

        Even though, all throughout the newsletters and you tube
        tutorials, it does have accessibility if your sighted.

        This in short isn’t fair.

        So, here’s hoping the newer upgrade to NVDA is more accessible
        for we blind flight simmer pilots.

        Even though, in my opinion, JAWS is a much better program.

        Just my opinion.

        Ron Ham Radio and Emergency Communication Station KR3DOG

        *From:* Quentin Christensen

        *Sent:* Sunday, September 6, 2020 19:57

        *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

        *Subject:* [nvda] In-Process for 7th September is out

        In-process is out, this week with news on the upcoming
        NVDACon, a new accessible graphs project, a space-themed
        accessible RPG and some general tips on making software
        accessible:
https://www.nvaccess.org/post/in-process-7th-september-2020/
<https://www.nvaccess.org/post/in-process-7th-september-2020/>

        Regards

        Quentin.

        --
        Quentin Christensen
        Training and Support Manager

        Web: www.nvaccess.org <http://www.nvaccess.org/>

        Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
        <https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/>

        Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/
        <https://certification.nvaccess.org/>

        User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda
        <https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda>

        Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
        <http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess>
        Twitter: @NVAccess <https://twitter.com/NVAccess>

        In the good old days of Morse code Shorthand, 73's AKA Best
        Regards and or Best Whishes,From
        Ron Kolesar
        Volunteer Certified Licensed Emergency Communications Station
        And
        Volunteer Certified Licensed Ham Radio Station
        With the Call Sign of KR3DOG


Re: NVDA and an new facebook experience

George McCoy
 

I think it is a vast improvement over the old one. NVDA doesn't randomly pop in and out of focus mode or zing me off somewhere on the page for no apparent reason.


George

On 9/9/2020 10:57 AM, Dejan Ristic wrote:
Hi to all of you,


Firstly, let me ask you:


How do you like the upcoming new facebook look?


I am just asking not to report any bugs, but to hear from you as far as NVDA and this new FB are concerned. On Google chrome, they work well for me. I no longer have problems in relation to NVDA's jumping up and down of its own accord when I work in the posts and/or comments area. To be as clear as possible, when I am in one of these, NVDA is quite calm. When I press the play button to play a video, it goes well for me.


Secondly, let me state that I'm very, very satisfied with NVDA while walking through the FB interface, although I have not explored all of the new FB features.


Finally, I think that you are happy when you've got a post whose contents does not refer to any bugs. If you ask me, I am, for I'm the one to have just sent you such a message.


Stay safe and be happy to hear that such messages are also welcome here.


Your sincere friend, and user, and follower,


Dejan


PDF files with MS Edge

George McCoy
 

Is anyone having trouble reading PDF files with MS Edge under windows 2004? These are not image files. They read well under windows 1909.

Edge freezes and forces user into a bower button forced shutdown.


Thanks,

George


NVDA remote

Robert Doc Wright godfearer
 

is there a way to change the toggle switch from f11 to something else? There is a conflict with my MoneyTalks program.
******
If we can't look at ourselves, and ask, why?  then where does the learning start?
 
Family times where there is fun for every ear!
http://stream.wrighthere.net:8000/stream.mp3
 
Or ask your A device to play Family times on tuneIn
You can also find us on your mobile device install OoTunes and search for Family times


Re: NVDA and an new facebook experience

Hope Williamson
 

I always use the mobile site so I don't ever worry about anything on the
main one.


Google slides

Justin Harford
 

Greetings

I have been using Google slides at work for a while. I noticed that when I collaborate with other people they will comment about text size and formatting being inconsistent. I usually write slides with DragonDictate using the dictation box. I set my cursor over a text box in the slide, open the dictation box, dictate the text and then press the transfer button which essentially copies and pastes the text into the text box. I share this because I wonder if this could be adding to the formatting issues that I have.

Does anybody have any tips for how you can make sure that the formatting of the text in your Google slides is consistent? Any thoughts about PowerPoint are also welcome. I find it is kind of difficult to get NVDA to give me text formatting information in Google suite.

Regards
Justin Harford (he/him/his)
Program Coordinator (NCDE)
Mobility International USA (MIUSA)
132 E Broadway Suite 343
Eugene OR 97401
541-343-1284 ext 1014 (voice)
jharford@... (email)


Re: Long-standing NVDA bug with visual studio still unresolved

 

Hi,

I’ll do my best to reproduce the problem (I have VS 2019 Community on my system; mostly used to build NVDA but now I get to use the full IDE for this purpose).

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Andy B.
Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2020 5:24 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Long-standing NVDA bug with visual studio still unresolved

 

The problem exists in Visual Studio 2015 up to the current 2019.7.x build. The autocomplete problem is also present in VSCode Insider’s. This only happens when using VS or VSCode with NVDA. The earliest I remember the problem is NVDA 2019.1. JAWS/narrator have no problems with autocomplete.

 

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Joseph Lee
Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2020 3:46 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Long-standing NVDA bug with visual studio still unresolved

 

Hi,

If the problem is seen with VS 2015 while using NVDA 2020.2, then it is something for us (NVDA developers) should investigate further. Since it is not seen with JAWS, try using it with Narrator and see if that makes a difference. If Narrator does not exhibit this issue, then it might be something to do with the way NVDA handles IntelliSense control (specifically, the API class associated with it).

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Luke Robinett
Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2020 12:24 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Long-standing NVDA bug with visual studio still unresolved

 

Hello,

A link to the GitHub issue for this problem can be found at the end of this message. It has been reported that there is a bug in NVDA such that when the user tries to arrow up or down through IntelliSense suggestions while working in the code editor of visual studio 2017 that it doesn’t just read the menu option but rather the whole line of code every time, making the feature almost unusable.

I can confirm that this same issue still exists in visual studio 2019. It’s frustrating and disappointing that this bug has not been fixed. This problem did not exist in visual studio 2015 so we know NVDA is capable of properly announcing IntelliSense menu options, and the jaws screen reader does not exhibit this behavior so we know it’s not a problem with Microsoft. I’m really hoping somebody at NVDA will finally address and resolve this long-standing bug. Several tech savvy users have tried but haven’t been successful in correcting it.

 

 


NVDA and an new facebook experience

Dejan Ristic
 

Hi to all of you,


Firstly, let me ask you:


How do you like the upcoming new facebook look?


I am just asking not to report any bugs, but to hear from you as far as NVDA and this new FB are concerned. On Google chrome, they work well for me. I no longer have problems in relation to NVDA's jumping up and down of its own accord when I work in the posts and/or comments area. To be as clear as possible, when I am in one of these, NVDA is quite calm. When I press the play button to play a video, it goes well for me.


Secondly, let me state that I'm very, very satisfied with NVDA while walking through the FB interface, although I have not explored all of the new FB features.


Finally, I think that you are happy when you've got a post whose contents does not refer to any bugs. If you ask me, I am, for I'm the one to have just sent you such a message.


Stay safe and be happy to hear that such messages are also welcome here.


Your sincere friend, and user, and follower,


Dejan


--
This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
https://www.avast.com/antivirus


Re: Pressing enter starts context menu.

Gene
 

Do you have system restore points? If the problem has something to do with the registry, running a restore point will revert the registry.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Ali Colak
Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2020 10:02 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Pressing enter starts context menu.

Hello everyone,
To somerise, I've been encountering a problem on firefox running the
latest version of NVDA where on certain pages, including the search
results page on google, where pressing enter on a link brings up the
context menu rather than actually entering it. Alt+enter works fine,
but regular enter does not on some pages.


Earlier in the morning I had tried playing arround with the mouse
settings and the regedit in order to solve another problem that I had
been having, but when the solutions for that issue didn't work I
reversed thos actions. Thats when I started having the problem. I've
tested the problem with JAWS using firefox and chrome, and with NVDA
using chrome and there was no problem, but firefox with NVDA shows the
problem.

Any ideas?


Pressing enter starts context menu.

Ali Colak
 

Hello everyone,
To somerise, I've been encountering a problem on firefox running the
latest version of NVDA where on certain pages, including the search
results page on google, where pressing enter on a link brings up the
context menu rather than actually entering it. Alt+enter works fine,
but regular enter does not on some pages.


Earlier in the morning I had tried playing arround with the mouse
settings and the regedit in order to solve another problem that I had
been having, but when the solutions for that issue didn't work I
reversed thos actions. Thats when I started having the problem. I've
tested the problem with JAWS using firefox and chrome, and with NVDA
using chrome and there was no problem, but firefox with NVDA shows the
problem.

Any ideas?


Re: Long-standing NVDA bug with visual studio still unresolved

Andy B.
 

The problem exists in Visual Studio 2015 up to the current 2019.7.x build. The autocomplete problem is also present in VSCode Insider’s. This only happens when using VS or VSCode with NVDA. The earliest I remember the problem is NVDA 2019.1. JAWS/narrator have no problems with autocomplete.

 

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Joseph Lee
Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2020 3:46 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Long-standing NVDA bug with visual studio still unresolved

 

Hi,

If the problem is seen with VS 2015 while using NVDA 2020.2, then it is something for us (NVDA developers) should investigate further. Since it is not seen with JAWS, try using it with Narrator and see if that makes a difference. If Narrator does not exhibit this issue, then it might be something to do with the way NVDA handles IntelliSense control (specifically, the API class associated with it).

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Luke Robinett
Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2020 12:24 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Long-standing NVDA bug with visual studio still unresolved

 

Hello,

A link to the GitHub issue for this problem can be found at the end of this message. It has been reported that there is a bug in NVDA such that when the user tries to arrow up or down through IntelliSense suggestions while working in the code editor of visual studio 2017 that it doesn’t just read the menu option but rather the whole line of code every time, making the feature almost unusable.

I can confirm that this same issue still exists in visual studio 2019. It’s frustrating and disappointing that this bug has not been fixed. This problem did not exist in visual studio 2015 so we know NVDA is capable of properly announcing IntelliSense menu options, and the jaws screen reader does not exhibit this behavior so we know it’s not a problem with Microsoft. I’m really hoping somebody at NVDA will finally address and resolve this long-standing bug. Several tech savvy users have tried but haven’t been successful in correcting it.

 

 


Re: In-Process for 7th September is out

Amir
 

Well, as far as US English is concerned, I still prefer Eloquence, or IBMTTS, along with the dictionary files which are aimed at correcting its mispronunciations. The Dictionary project is at https://github.com/thunderdrop/IBMTTSDictionaries
Everyone can participate in this project and it already offers about 26,000 entries, potentially covering several thousands more at the Root level.
Of course, on Windows 10 one can, via a registry trick, enable the localized version of the SAPI-5 female voice Microsoft uses for Kortana, and it sounds quite clear and less muffled compared with OneCore voices. But it also has its own intonation oddities, though.

Best,
Amir


Re: Have you guys at NV Access consider apply for this?

Quentin Christensen
 

Thanks Socheat!

I hadn't come across this before (but to be honest, I hadn't been involved in looking at our hosting requirements previously either).  We'll look into it though, thank you!

Quentin.

On Wed, Sep 9, 2020 at 2:07 PM Socheat Muth <socheat.mt.lc@...> wrote:
Hi all, especially to folks at NV Access


This morning, while I was browsing the web, I've come across a website
that claims to help provide the vps host to the open source project. I
thought this would beneficial to NVDA's project, so I want to posted
here to see if you guys interested. Their website is
https://www.fosshost.org. And the link to their application guideline is
https://docs.fosshost.org/en/home/application


Thank you guys, and sorry for my English.






--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager


Have you guys at NV Access consider apply for this?

Socheat
 

Hi all, especially to folks at NV Access


This morning, while I was browsing the web, I've come across a website that claims to help provide the vps host to the open source project. I thought this would beneficial to NVDA's project, so I want to posted here to see if you guys interested. Their website is https://www.fosshost.org. And the link to their application guideline is https://docs.fosshost.org/en/home/application


Thank you guys, and sorry for my English.


Re: In-Process for 7th September is out

Arlene
 

Wow! Yes, those were the good old days. I didn’t think that’s still around. I liked Decktalk during its time. But now to me, it’s a thing of the past. I liked it. But now I don’t have it anymore.  I used to use dectalk express. It quit working. I ended up with a computer that did not have a sereal port that the dectalk used to connect to. I ended up chucking it out. 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: September 8, 2020 8:03 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] In-Process for 7th September is out

 

Yes, I agree its totally crap now.

Thing was back in 1998 through 2014 or there abouts there was a team

of people, mostly radio hams and audio freaks, guys like patrick

perdue, jason smith, etc that sort of ellivated it over its station.

There is still an archive on resilio sync.

Its still about, no longer updated, however there is a 2gb content

library of software, music, text and the like.

So here is its downfall.

Hardware abstraction layer.

So for all the dumbies here and there are probably quite a few of you

about, basically in a nutshell after microsoft abandoned the old 9x

dos style windows os, they really got serious on direct connect

devices that accessed the hardware.

Now this is probably a good thing security wize windows has many

interupt or irq ports serial ports and the like.

No one really use physical serial anyway so it doesn't matter much.

But for a while there were serial [ports up through xp.

Now you certainly can buy usb serial ports, serial cards and yes

actually serial or paralel ports should you really want them but thats

becides the point.

Virtualised stuff seems to be how it all goes to.

Basically, to avoid conflicts and crashes, your hardware never talks

to windows directly.

Program talks to driver and driver talks to windows kernal library and

that talks to the kernal and its all seemless and such.

It used to be that stuff talked to eachother.

Thats fine in dos maybe, linux maybe and older windows, but well on

modern systems with so many extras more than 4 serial ports, usb ports

and physical and virtual connections it doesn't make that much sence.

So anyway, you try to communicate with something like a dectalk with

your windows xp and it tries to direct connect.

Windows hates you for life.

It actually in the case of xp will destroy your installation.

I tried several times in the past, 10 times to be honest.

10 times, windows locked.

10 times windows didn't reboot.

10 times I had to reformat and reinstall.

In contrast my old keynote stuff never had this issue so who knows the

inns and outs of it.

There is probably a technical junkpile explaining it, just to say in

simple terms in modern systems direct connection of anything similar

to connecting a system without a serge protector or your critical

devices without a ups or security without a firewall is a bad idea.

Thats basically why no one bothers with dectalk anymore.

Now there are usb versions but to be honest with the load of software

speech its just not echonomical.

The other thing is that its 8 bit.

Thats nice on your portable small speakered devices but after 4.3 of

the kernal even though after dectalk went to phonics, the 5x modern

dectalk never sounded right.

I have 16 bit eloquence where they try to convert and upsample it and

well it never sounded right.

 

Back then you had speakers with limited ranges, etc.

Dectalk was never designed for modern sound hardware plain and simple.

It was never meant to do more than speak.

Singing was a gimic, the only reason it took off was that a few

decided to do it and do it well, they even put it in sound projects.

Now you can emulate this with plugins like chipspeak and there is an

analog something which I forget.

Dectalk aint crap, but its reached the end of its lifecycle.

The best version right now is a coppy of the demo 4.3 software player

if you can get it.

manuals to write speech files in dec language should be about somewhere.

But yeah if someone wants to put that as its own faq or something feel

free to copy it.

It was one of the best synths of its time.

The closest you can get is vocalwriter or vocaloid for the mac or

flinger for festival and no I have never managed to get that all

working.

Also you probably can't get it to work on its own without audio

editing software so well.

Now if anyone wants the archive bt sync key, email me off list and I'll give it.

its 2gb of files, but its not been updated in years.

Still, its got all the best, and worst creations in it.

Its the only record.

It to will die, because once all the users including myself pass I

don't think anyone will be reseeding it.

 

 

On 09/09/2020, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:

> Carlos,

> It would be worth passing that feedback on the pronunciation in OneCore

> back to Microsoft.  If you can articulate the specific issues, it is worth

> contacting

> https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/accessibility/disability-answer-desk or

> https://microsoftaccessibility.uservoice.com/forums/307429-microsoft-accessibility-feedback

> Kind regards

> Quentin.

> On Wed, Sep 9, 2020 at 11:17 AM CARLOS-ESTEBAN <

> carlosestebanpianista@...> wrote:

>> Hi all.

>> 

>> I am can use the One Core voices. But in the Spanish Community the people

>> no use the voices One Core in Spanish, for example, the dictionary of the

>> voices in Spanish (Spain) need delete some words that is in the internal

>> dictionary of the voice, that affect the pronunciation of some words in

>> Spanish. In NVDA, is posible use the speech dictionaries for fixed this

>> problem, but Microsoft can delete this words or add an option for enable

>> o

>> disable the dictionary for users of other applications of text to speech

>> (in this case of Spanish).

>> 

>> I used Espeak all the time  from 2012 to 2016, and I can follow use it. I

>> now also use IBM TTS. Is an add-on created by a developer of the Spanish

>> Community, a driver for IBM TTS or Eloquence. But the add-on on GitHub

>> only

>> have the driver, the user need copy the libraries or go to the options of

>> NVDA, IBM TTS and select the folder of the files. So, the driver is

>> legally, but when the user compiled and nvda-addon with the libraries

>> this

>> can consider that not is legally. So, Code Factory Eloquence and

>> Vocalizer

>> is Good, but in the Spanish Comunity not have many users (Few people use

>> it). In the Spanish Community is also very user Vocalizer, but some

>> people

>> not bull license, use a version distribute in Somme places. But the web

>> of

>> the Spanish Community (nvda.es) is a distributor of the Vocalizer NVDA

>> from Tiflotecnia and more people Buy now.

>> 

>> Many people in the Spanish Community says that Eloquence is the better

>> speech Synthesizer, because A lot of people don't get used to listening

>> to

>> Espeak NG and natural voices like One Core in navigation of Windows and

>> applications. Also, some people have problems with the frequencies of

>> Espeak.

>> 

>> One Core in Spanish is Good, but the internal dictionary need delete some

>> words and They don't have the intonation for questions, something that in

>> English United States voices, for example, yes have.

>> 

>> Regards.

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> Carlos Esteban Martínez Macías.

>> 

>> Músico (pianista) y también ayuda a usuarios ciegos y con discapacidad

>> visual con el uso de lectores de pantalla y tecnología.

>> 

>> Experto certificado en el lector de pantalla NVDA.

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> Musician (pianist) and help to the blind people, with use of screen

>> readers and technology. Certified expert in the screen reader NVDA.

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> NVDA certified expert certificate

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> *De: *mattias <mjonsson1986@...>

>> *Enviado: *martes, 8 de septiembre de 2020 18:44

>> *Para: *nvda@nvda.groups.io

>> *Asunto: *Re: [nvda] In-Process for 7th September is out

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> why all this glorifying for dectalk? yes it was fine for symbian. but not

>> on windows. the sound quality are crap

>> 

>> Den 8 september 2020 22:19:14 skrev "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@...

>> >:

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> Well I personally wouldn't bother.

>> 

>> The dectalk from enablerehab has a lot of volume issues.

>> 

>> If you want to use dectalk, buy code factory eloquence and well it will

>> work.

>> 

>> That or buy a dectalk express for 600 us bucks for the usb version.

>> 

>> To be honest, the only reason, dectalk was actually ellivated about, old,

>> expired and generally crappy was the archive of music and crazyness

>> online.

>> 

>> Well no one writes for it anymore.

>> 

>> Its to old to bother with but well I guess if you want to you can.

>> 

>> Any version of eloquence will do.

>> 

>> If you are able to find a copy of window eyes there are folders to

>> install

>> dectalk for sapi4.

>> 

>> This will give you dectalk.

>> 

>> I don't think its worth it though.

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> On 9/09/2020 8:01 am, Jesse Farquharson wrote:

>> 

>> I desperately want to be able to use DecTalk again.

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

> --

> Quentin Christensen

> Training and Support Manager

> Web: www.nvaccess.org

> Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

> Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/

> User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda

> Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess

> Twitter: @NVAccess <https://twitter.com/NVAccess>

>

 

 

 


Re: In-Process for 7th September is out

Jesse Farquharson
 

Sean,

Please send me the link to JesseF8690@...

I understand what you're saying. Sure, DecTalk isn't as high quality as, say, the Vocalizer voices, but to be honest I really don't care. Like I said, if someone can explain how to get Eloquence to sing in a similar manner, that would work fine too, but otherwise... I'd still like me a 2020.x compatible version of DecTalk.



Re: In-Process for 7th September is out

 

Yes, I agree its totally crap now.
Thing was back in 1998 through 2014 or there abouts there was a team
of people, mostly radio hams and audio freaks, guys like patrick
perdue, jason smith, etc that sort of ellivated it over its station.
There is still an archive on resilio sync.
Its still about, no longer updated, however there is a 2gb content
library of software, music, text and the like.
So here is its downfall.
Hardware abstraction layer.
So for all the dumbies here and there are probably quite a few of you
about, basically in a nutshell after microsoft abandoned the old 9x
dos style windows os, they really got serious on direct connect
devices that accessed the hardware.
Now this is probably a good thing security wize windows has many
interupt or irq ports serial ports and the like.
No one really use physical serial anyway so it doesn't matter much.
But for a while there were serial [ports up through xp.
Now you certainly can buy usb serial ports, serial cards and yes
actually serial or paralel ports should you really want them but thats
becides the point.
Virtualised stuff seems to be how it all goes to.
Basically, to avoid conflicts and crashes, your hardware never talks
to windows directly.
Program talks to driver and driver talks to windows kernal library and
that talks to the kernal and its all seemless and such.
It used to be that stuff talked to eachother.
Thats fine in dos maybe, linux maybe and older windows, but well on
modern systems with so many extras more than 4 serial ports, usb ports
and physical and virtual connections it doesn't make that much sence.
So anyway, you try to communicate with something like a dectalk with
your windows xp and it tries to direct connect.
Windows hates you for life.
It actually in the case of xp will destroy your installation.
I tried several times in the past, 10 times to be honest.
10 times, windows locked.
10 times windows didn't reboot.
10 times I had to reformat and reinstall.
In contrast my old keynote stuff never had this issue so who knows the
inns and outs of it.
There is probably a technical junkpile explaining it, just to say in
simple terms in modern systems direct connection of anything similar
to connecting a system without a serge protector or your critical
devices without a ups or security without a firewall is a bad idea.
Thats basically why no one bothers with dectalk anymore.
Now there are usb versions but to be honest with the load of software
speech its just not echonomical.
The other thing is that its 8 bit.
Thats nice on your portable small speakered devices but after 4.3 of
the kernal even though after dectalk went to phonics, the 5x modern
dectalk never sounded right.
I have 16 bit eloquence where they try to convert and upsample it and
well it never sounded right.

Back then you had speakers with limited ranges, etc.
Dectalk was never designed for modern sound hardware plain and simple.
It was never meant to do more than speak.
Singing was a gimic, the only reason it took off was that a few
decided to do it and do it well, they even put it in sound projects.
Now you can emulate this with plugins like chipspeak and there is an
analog something which I forget.
Dectalk aint crap, but its reached the end of its lifecycle.
The best version right now is a coppy of the demo 4.3 software player
if you can get it.
manuals to write speech files in dec language should be about somewhere.
But yeah if someone wants to put that as its own faq or something feel
free to copy it.
It was one of the best synths of its time.
The closest you can get is vocalwriter or vocaloid for the mac or
flinger for festival and no I have never managed to get that all
working.
Also you probably can't get it to work on its own without audio
editing software so well.
Now if anyone wants the archive bt sync key, email me off list and I'll give it.
its 2gb of files, but its not been updated in years.
Still, its got all the best, and worst creations in it.
Its the only record.
It to will die, because once all the users including myself pass I
don't think anyone will be reseeding it.

On 09/09/2020, Quentin Christensen <quentin@nvaccess.org> wrote:
Carlos,

It would be worth passing that feedback on the pronunciation in OneCore
back to Microsoft. If you can articulate the specific issues, it is worth
contacting
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/accessibility/disability-answer-desk or
https://microsoftaccessibility.uservoice.com/forums/307429-microsoft-accessibility-feedback

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Wed, Sep 9, 2020 at 11:17 AM CARLOS-ESTEBAN <
carlosestebanpianista@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi all.

I am can use the One Core voices. But in the Spanish Community the people
no use the voices One Core in Spanish, for example, the dictionary of the
voices in Spanish (Spain) need delete some words that is in the internal
dictionary of the voice, that affect the pronunciation of some words in
Spanish. In NVDA, is posible use the speech dictionaries for fixed this
problem, but Microsoft can delete this words or add an option for enable
o
disable the dictionary for users of other applications of text to speech
(in this case of Spanish).

I used Espeak all the time from 2012 to 2016, and I can follow use it. I
now also use IBM TTS. Is an add-on created by a developer of the Spanish
Community, a driver for IBM TTS or Eloquence. But the add-on on GitHub
only
have the driver, the user need copy the libraries or go to the options of
NVDA, IBM TTS and select the folder of the files. So, the driver is
legally, but when the user compiled and nvda-addon with the libraries
this
can consider that not is legally. So, Code Factory Eloquence and
Vocalizer
is Good, but in the Spanish Comunity not have many users (Few people use
it). In the Spanish Community is also very user Vocalizer, but some
people
not bull license, use a version distribute in Somme places. But the web
of
the Spanish Community (nvda.es) is a distributor of the Vocalizer NVDA
from Tiflotecnia and more people Buy now.

Many people in the Spanish Community says that Eloquence is the better
speech Synthesizer, because A lot of people don't get used to listening
to
Espeak NG and natural voices like One Core in navigation of Windows and
applications. Also, some people have problems with the frequencies of
Espeak.

One Core in Spanish is Good, but the internal dictionary need delete some
words and They don't have the intonation for questions, something that in
English United States voices, for example, yes have.

Regards.





Carlos Esteban Martínez Macías.

Músico (pianista) y también ayuda a usuarios ciegos y con discapacidad
visual con el uso de lectores de pantalla y tecnología.

Experto certificado en el lector de pantalla NVDA.



Musician (pianist) and help to the blind people, with use of screen
readers and technology. Certified expert in the screen reader NVDA.



NVDA certified expert certificate



*De: *mattias <mjonsson1986@gmail.com>
*Enviado: *martes, 8 de septiembre de 2020 18:44
*Para: *nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Asunto: *Re: [nvda] In-Process for 7th September is out



why all this glorifying for dectalk? yes it was fine for symbian. but not
on windows. the sound quality are crap

Den 8 september 2020 22:19:14 skrev "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@gmail.com
:


Well I personally wouldn't bother.

The dectalk from enablerehab has a lot of volume issues.

If you want to use dectalk, buy code factory eloquence and well it will
work.

That or buy a dectalk express for 600 us bucks for the usb version.

To be honest, the only reason, dectalk was actually ellivated about, old,
expired and generally crappy was the archive of music and crazyness
online.

Well no one writes for it anymore.

Its to old to bother with but well I guess if you want to you can.

Any version of eloquence will do.

If you are able to find a copy of window eyes there are folders to
install
dectalk for sapi4.

This will give you dectalk.

I don't think its worth it though.





On 9/09/2020 8:01 am, Jesse Farquharson wrote:

I desperately want to be able to use DecTalk again.




--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Web: www.nvaccess.org
Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/
User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess <https://twitter.com/NVAccess>




Re: In-Process for 7th September is out

Quentin Christensen
 

Carlos,

It would be worth passing that feedback on the pronunciation in OneCore back to Microsoft.  If you can articulate the specific issues, it is worth contacting https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/accessibility/disability-answer-desk or https://microsoftaccessibility.uservoice.com/forums/307429-microsoft-accessibility-feedback

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Wed, Sep 9, 2020 at 11:17 AM CARLOS-ESTEBAN <carlosestebanpianista@...> wrote:

Hi all.

I am can use the One Core voices. But in the Spanish Community the people no use the voices One Core in Spanish, for example, the dictionary of the voices in Spanish (Spain) need delete some words that is in the internal dictionary of the voice, that affect the pronunciation of some words in Spanish. In NVDA, is posible use the speech dictionaries for fixed this problem, but Microsoft can delete this words or add an option for enable o disable the dictionary for users of other applications of text to speech (in this case of Spanish).

I used Espeak all the time  from 2012 to 2016, and I can follow use it. I now also use IBM TTS. Is an add-on created by a developer of the Spanish Community, a driver for IBM TTS or Eloquence. But the add-on on GitHub only have the driver, the user need copy the libraries or go to the options of NVDA, IBM TTS and select the folder of the files. So, the driver is legally, but when the user compiled and nvda-addon with the libraries this can consider that not is legally. So, Code Factory Eloquence and Vocalizer is Good, but in the Spanish Comunity not have many users (Few people use it). In the Spanish Community is also very user Vocalizer, but some people not bull license, use a version distribute in Somme places. But the web of the Spanish Community (nvda.es) is a distributor of the Vocalizer NVDA from Tiflotecnia and more people Buy now.

Many people in the Spanish Community says that Eloquence is the better speech Synthesizer, because A lot of people don't get used to listening to Espeak NG and natural voices like One Core in navigation of Windows and applications. Also, some people have problems with the frequencies of Espeak.

One Core in Spanish is Good, but the internal dictionary need delete some words and They don't have the intonation for questions, something that in English United States voices, for example, yes have.

Regards.

 

 

Carlos Esteban Martínez Macías.

Músico (pianista) y también ayuda a usuarios ciegos y con discapacidad visual con el uso de lectores de pantalla y tecnología.

Experto certificado en el lector de pantalla NVDA.

 

Musician (pianist) and help to the blind people, with use of screen readers and technology. Certified expert in the screen reader NVDA.

 

NVDA certified expert certificate

 

De: mattias
Enviado: martes, 8 de septiembre de 2020 18:44
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Asunto: Re: [nvda] In-Process for 7th September is out

 

why all this glorifying for dectalk? yes it was fine for symbian. but not on windows. the sound quality are crap

Den 8 september 2020 22:19:14 skrev "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@...>:

 

Well I personally wouldn't bother.

The dectalk from enablerehab has a lot of volume issues.

If you want to use dectalk, buy code factory eloquence and well it will work.

That or buy a dectalk express for 600 us bucks for the usb version.

To be honest, the only reason, dectalk was actually ellivated about, old, expired and generally crappy was the archive of music and crazyness online.

Well no one writes for it anymore.

Its to old to bother with but well I guess if you want to you can.

Any version of eloquence will do.

If you are able to find a copy of window eyes there are folders to install dectalk for sapi4.

This will give you dectalk.

I don't think its worth it though.

 

 

On 9/09/2020 8:01 am, Jesse Farquharson wrote:

I desperately want to be able to use DecTalk again.

 



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