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Re: nuance cerence neural tts for NVDA?

Ron Canazzi
 

You wrote:
"There is nothing wonderful about those voices.
Zoey sounds as though she's gargling a little and has stilted inflection. She sounds to me as though she is on ..."
which only goes to show that beauty or in this case audio clarity is in the eyes/ears of the beholder.

I have seen this kind of disagreement about how wonderful or terrible voices/synthesizers sound for years and I have come to the conclusion that every ear hears things differently.  With my hearing issues, I think that the Eloquence synthesizer with the male American English voices of Glenn and Reed are superior to most out there.  There are those who have voiced vehement disagreement with this analysis: and so it goes.

On 9/11/2020 10:23 AM, Gene wrote:
There is nothing wonderful about those voices.
Zoey sounds as though she's gargling a little and has stilted inflection. She sounds to me as though she is on downers.  The other voice I sampled has stilted inflection and artifacts as well.  They may be better than the Nuance voices that came before, but until these newer synthesizers sound as good as the Google Assistant or Alexa, or other such very high quality speech found in digital assistants, I'll consider them not worth using.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Josh Kennedy
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 8:39 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] nuance cerence neural tts for NVDA?



Hi,

Does anyone know if atguys or some other company will be selling the new Cerence vocalizer deep AI voices for NVDA? Nextup sells them for their text aloud product and they sound really good. Voices like conversational Zoey sound quite good.



Josh





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Re: nuance cerence neural tts for NVDA?

CARLOS-ESTEBAN
 

Hi all.

Not is easy make a driver for this voices and NVDA. The voices based in cloud services depending of the internet connection, and a screen reader send many text. Is necessary search some solutions first.

Regards.

 

 

Carlos Esteban Martínez Macías.

Músico (pianista) y también ayuda a usuarios ciegos y con discapacidad visual con el uso de lectores de pantalla y tecnología.

Experto certificado en el lector de pantalla NVDA.

 

Musician (pianist) and help to the blind people, with use of screen readers and technology. Certified expert in the screen reader NVDA.

 

NVDA certified expert certificate

 

De: Gene
Enviado: viernes, 11 de septiembre de 2020 9:23
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Asunto: Re: [nvda] nuance cerence neural tts for NVDA?

 

There is nothing wonderful about those voices.

Zoey sounds as though she's gargling a little and has stilted inflection.

She sounds to me as though she is on downers.  The other voice I sampled has

stilted inflection and artifacts as well.  They may be better than the

Nuance voices that came before, but until these newer synthesizers sound as

good as the Google Assistant or Alexa, or other such very high quality

speech found in digital assistants, I'll consider them not worth using.

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

From: Josh Kennedy

Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 8:39 AM

To: nvda@groups.io

Subject: [nvda] nuance cerence neural tts for NVDA?

 

 

 

Hi,

 

Does anyone know if atguys or some other company will be selling the new

Cerence vocalizer deep AI voices for NVDA? Nextup sells them for their text

aloud product and they sound really good. Voices like conversational Zoey

sound quite good.

 

 

 

Josh

 

 

 

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


Re: nuance cerence neural tts for NVDA?

Jesse Farquharson
 

That might be your opinion, and that's perfectly fine. But I'm sure there are others who would welcome the additions. The thing is, most of the Nuance voices NVDA uses haven't been refreshed in quite some time. In fact, since NVDA 2019.3, we have not gained voices, we have lost the ability to use many of them, because they have not been ported to Python 3. Ie DecTalk, SoftVoice, RH Voice and so on and so on.

As crazy as it sounds, there are some, such as myself, who still want to use them. They may be old, but they do have a certain... charm.

The loss of those voices is really what kept me from updating for quite some time. And I'm still a bit sore about it. I wish a greater effort had been taken to bring some of the classics along.


Re: nuance cerence neural tts for NVDA?

Gene
 

There is nothing wonderful about those voices.
Zoey sounds as though she's gargling a little and has stilted inflection. She sounds to me as though she is on downers. The other voice I sampled has stilted inflection and artifacts as well. They may be better than the Nuance voices that came before, but until these newer synthesizers sound as good as the Google Assistant or Alexa, or other such very high quality speech found in digital assistants, I'll consider them not worth using.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Josh Kennedy
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 8:39 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] nuance cerence neural tts for NVDA?



Hi,

Does anyone know if atguys or some other company will be selling the new Cerence vocalizer deep AI voices for NVDA? Nextup sells them for their text aloud product and they sound really good. Voices like conversational Zoey sound quite good.



Josh





Sent from Mail for Windows 10


nuance cerence neural tts for NVDA?

Josh Kennedy
 

Hi,

Does anyone know if atguys or some other company will be selling the new Cerence vocalizer deep AI voices for NVDA? Nextup sells them for their text aloud product and they sound really good. Voices like conversational Zoey sound quite good.

 

Josh

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


Re: Running production build and alpha build concurrently?

Gene
 

You can't have more than one copy installed but you can have an installed copy and a portable version on the same machine. You can have as many portable versions as you want and no installed version if you wish.

The portable versions can't do certtain things, and those limitations apply mostly to Windows 10. But you may be able to check whatever you intend to with the portable version.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: blindgroupsluke@...
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2020 10:57 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Running production build and alpha build concurrently?



I have the latest production version of NVDA installed on my machine but need to install an alpha build to troubleshoot an issue. If I install an alpha build, will it replace my normal install or will I be able to have both versions installed at the same time and choose which I want to run?



Thanks,

Luke


Running production build and alpha build concurrently?

Luke Robinett
 

I have the latest production version of NVDA installed on my machine but need to install an alpha build to troubleshoot an issue. If I install an alpha build, will it replace my normal install or will I be able to have both versions installed at the same time and choose which I want to run?

 

Thanks,

Luke

 


Re: NVDA and track changes in Microsoft word

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi Mary,

NVDA certainly works with Track Changes in Word.  NVDA sees track changes as "Annotations" similar to comments, and you can navigate between them with A and SHIFT+A in Browse mode.  We have a couple of topics on Track Changes in the "Microsoft Word with NVDA" training module which your friend might be interested in.  If they used Window-Eyes not too long ago, they might also find the guide we have for switching from Window-Eyes to NVDA useful: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda-community/wiki/Switching-from-Window-Eyes-to-NVDA.  If they'd like to learn from scratch, we have the Basic Training for NVDA module, or for best value for that and the Office material, we have the NVDA Productivity Bundle which also includes telephone support.  All of those are in the shop: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop (no pressure to buy, just advising they are there - the switching from Window-Eyes to NVDA is completely free).

Leslie, it's a common misconception that NVDA doesn't have as many productivity features as Jaws, but looking at the Jaws keystrokes I can't see anything in there re track changes that NVDA can't do?

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 6:16 AM Amir <mobilespace08@...> wrote:
Salaam Mary,

First and foremost, so nice to hear from you after a long while!
Having come from the JAWS side, I've never been a dedicated WinEyes user, so can't tell how WinEyes handled track changes. NVDA does support track changes although one can't get the track-oriented comprehensiveness JAWS provides.
I also recommend the "Microsoft Word text editor:   accessibility enhancement" add-on which really enhances NVDA's MS Word support especially with Word 2013/2016/2019. It might not be listed on NVDA's official add-ons page, but it's one of the best add-ons I've encountered -- it comes with excellent documentation, too. The download URL is https://github.com/paulber007/AllMyNVDAAddons/raw/master/wordAccessEnhancement/wordAccessEnhancement-2.1.nvda-addon

Best,
Amir



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Re: Update on previously mentioned issue with single-letternavigation

Quentin Christensen
 

I too read "Single letter navigation", which is a specific term used to indicate pressing say H to move to the next heading on a web page.

So, now we know it's "First letter navigation" on the desktop, yes I can replicate.  We do have an issue for this here: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/10971

The workaround I'd suggest is to create a configuration profile for explorer (when on the desktop) and in that profile, turn off speak typed characters and speak command keys.  

I wrote a piece for In-Process on doing this awhile ago.  The specific steps in the article are to change the "Say all" profile, but at the step where you create a new profile, tab to "Use this profile for" and right arrow to "Current program", it will set it up for the current program.  (Otherwise it is also covered in several topics in Basic Training for NVDA in more depth).

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 10:19 PM Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
I read the message again and I see it discusses the desktop and not quick
navigation commands in browse mode.  I also checked and I see that when
moving by letter on the desktop, letters are announced.  So, somehow, that
may be related to the problem.

I think of single letter navigation as what is used as quick navigation
commands on web pages and I didn't realize the message was talking about the
desktop.  When navigating on the desktop or other lists, the term usually
used is first letter navigation, and not seeing it and seeing the other
caused me to misread the message.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Luke Davis
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2020 7:05 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Update on previously mentioned
issue with single-letternavigation

Quentin, Gene, et al

I will point out, that in her original message, she did mention the desktop.

That suggests to me that she is using the letters in question to jump to
icons
on the desktop.  Nothing was said about browse mode shortcuts in her
message,
although all commenters so far seem to have taken it that way.

Luke








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Training and Support Manager


Re: Entering time values on youtube website

JM Casey
 

Zootle, the Greatest Oracle of them all..Hail Zootle!

 

Incidentally I don’t have any of these devices you mentioned in your amusing anecdotes – my Android phone does not seem to respond to screen-reader voice when it’s in touch withZootle to assist with dictation, but periodically when I lose internet connection and the phone doesn’t realise it has no access, it still tries to understand dictation but becomes incredibly dumb, pickingup all sorts of sounds and trying to make sense of them and doing a really bad job.  It needs the power of its master Zootle in order to adopt semblence of intelligence…

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami
Sent: September 10, 2020 12:37 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Entering time values on youtube website

 

It's a "wow in the world" reference. If anyone is interested just consult zootle for more.

Glad the tip helped. You can do so much with that url. I even know someone who changed the format, time, speed I think. I'm not really sure what else.

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On 9 Sep 2020, at 15:38, JM Casey wrote:

Thank you Sarah. Definitely more than apparent under youtube’s hood. Also zootle made me chuckle. And I’m weird so I now had to check to see if that’s a website. Nope..ah well!

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami
Sent: September 8, 2020 7:04 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Entering time values on youtube website

 

You can actually modify the URL with I think something like t=600 for 600 seconds. If you know what you are doing, you can modify that uRL to do a lot. You will have to consult our best friend zootle (I changed the name so as not to trigger anyone's homes) and find the exact codes.

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On 8 Sep 2020, at 13:46, JM Casey wrote:

Hello everyone. Using NVDA 2020.2, and, in this case, Chrome, my favourite browser for a ccessing youtube as it is extremely responsive to the keyboard commands.

Recently I’ve come to use youtube more than usual, and have finally taken a good amount of time to figure out how the interface actually works, how to navigate channels and the player, etc. I’ve come across some recordings that are several hours long. A cool thing is that if I exit the site for whatever reason and then come back to it, even well after the browser session is closed, my place is usually “remembered” by youtube. However, I’d like to be able to specify the time at which to start playing in presentations that are sometimes 6+ hours long. I am pretty sure this can be done, but I’m having trouble figuring out where the cursor should be positioned to enter in the vlue. I have tried switching browse mode off and being in the position where the current elapsed time fo the recording is shown, but this doesn’t seem to do the trick. I believe I understand what the format should be (hours:minutes:seconds).

Any tips?

Thanks!

 

 


Re: In-Process for 7th September is out

Kevin Cussick
 

Hi, sorry I should have said you need the voices installed.

On 09/09/2020 22:38, Gene wrote:
I figured out the problem.  The instructions and layout of the web page don't make this at all clear.  I found and installed the latest main adde-on and then a voice and it worked.
Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Kevin Cussick via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2020 2:57 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] In-Process for 7th September is out
You might have an older version of this addon? do You want me to post a
link for You to get the latest version?OK the page is her below this text.
https://github.com/Olga-Yakovleva/RHVoice/wiki/Latest-version e
On 09/09/2020 20:49, Gene wrote:
I don't know what determines when the add-on works.  It doesn't work on my Windows 64 bit machine and I've seen a few other reports of it not working, but I don't know if there is a pattern.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Kevin Cussick via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2020 2:20 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] In-Process for 7th September is out

the Nvda addon does not do this it is very responsive and for me just
works.   I use it on windows and android.

On 08/09/2020 22:39, Gene wrote:
There is a SAPI 5 version of the voice.  I played with it this afternoon. I don't have Windows 10 so I can't compare it to the Windows 10 voices, whose name I don't recall now.

The voice I tried was alright, better than many free voices I've tried, but not nearly as good as Dectalk and Eloquence.  Still, it may be that some people might want to use it.

However, and I'd have to play a lot more with this to determine if it was a fluke or an ongoing problem, it appeared to slow down my computer to have the SAPI 5 voice installed.  Programs took longer to open.  As I said, to determine if that was just how things were for some other reason for the time I have the voice on my machine, which was only a short time, or whether it was caused by the SAPI 5 version would require more testing. When I removed the version, things returned to normal.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2020 4:26 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] In-Process for 7th September is out

Will the RH voice work on windows 10?



On 9/8/2020 12:59 PM, Kevin Cussick via groups.io wrote:
Rh voice would be nice I will get the page later if you need it or maybe someone else will b beet me to it.

On 08/09/2020 02:15, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
I think that's a great idea. If more people spoke up about their favorite voices, we could get them added to NVDA.



On 9/7/2020 10:27 AM, Leslie wrote:

Hay, maybe if we can hear from a large number of people who like these voices, maybe we can get them added to NVDA. As nonpremium voices.  We know they are always improving.

Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10

*From: *Rosemarie Chavarria <mailto:knitqueen2007@...>
*Sent: *Monday, September 7, 2020 9:49 AM
*To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject: *Re: [nvda] In-Process for 7th September is out

I'd also like to see the cortana voice added to NVDA without charge. I really like how she sounds. My favorite voice in the one-core voices is thefemale voice called Zera. She sounds very clear.

On 9/7/2020 9:04 AM, Leslie wrote:

    As I’ve said before, I just love NVDA. And it has all the features
    I need being an average computer user.  I do think that NVDA.
    Should add more of the truly great voices that are out there.  I
    love the 1 core voices and I also love Nuance.  I think that
    Cortana voice is one of the best.  I’d like to see her added to
    NVDA. Without charge.  I think the original voices that NVDA. Had
    are now pasee and should be droped because their quality isn’t
    good anymore.  What do you guys think?

    Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986>
    for Windows 10

    *From: *Shaun Everiss <mailto:@smeveriss>
    *Sent: *Monday, September 7, 2020 12:37 AM
    *To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
    *Subject: *Re: [nvda] In-Process for 7th September is out

    Hmph, if you are happy to pay a load of cash for each version
    update  from freedomscientiffic or visparo etc thats your issue,
    have issues with licences, need scripts for just about everything
    like win98 needs drivers, are happy with the possible bad
    technical support issues going about and are happy that if it
    screws up you need to repair, reinstall or reformat if it totally
    goes nuts, not to mention that visparo like suing everyone under
    the sun well more than I'd like, go ahead.

    When I used their stuff it was ok, but yeah, I never really had
    that many problems with it.

    Never got into the payed script racket, either.

    I had to repair it once or twice, but that was before it became a
    beast.

    Compaired to nvda well who knows.

    The information bandied round the list pluss a few other user
    experiences not my own pluss the fact that due to jaws and issues
    causing me to have to reformat to make them completely quit, but
    mostly information on here pluss what I hear from time to time,
    especially with how they got all the competing companies bar
    dolphin and that probably because they only just moved out of
    using internet explorer puts the impression on me that like
    microsoft used to be and may still be that this is a monopoly I
    would really like to see the back of.

    I certainly am happy I no longer use their software, and unless I
    got a job which is what jaws is bandied about by various
    governments and stuff, I wouldn't touch it unless I had the cash.

    To be hhonest this goes for dolphin stuff which is why I got in
    the beta program but that was for a completely selfish reason that
    being smuglers, its about all I care about now days.

    To be honest, I don't much care for a company who is clearly
    running a business for the charity, government and enterprise
    market with prices to high for average users to buy, and needing
    expensive upgrades and modules for remote access with specialised
    blindy bits and bobs.

    Nvda and things like narator have opened me to the mainstream, and
    with mainstream devices like the amazon echo devices and smart
    phones about, when the new normal comes along, I think some of
    these things will fall away sharply.

    Dolphin seems to recognise this, so does avast.

    So does nvaccess which is why I use them for most of my stuff.

    Now there are a few things nvda does not do, but everything has
    its limits.

    But if you plan to use a wordprocesser, a desktop app, a web
    brouser or email client or any office app or app using standard
    controls or terminals then you don't need jaws for that.

    Now some of the mega custom apps and the like specialised
    programs, will need specialised software, and yeah, jaws is what
    you need and will always need.

    Thats not nvda's job.

    The job of nvda is to handle all the normal business and home
    applications that use standard controls, and the like as well as
    web interfaces.

    To be honest that is what may happen, specialised software will
    need specialised software, and will be charged accordingly.

    The only reason I'd get jaws is leasy thats about the only reason
    I'd buy jaws now.

    And to be honest if leasy would just sell its games module then
    I'd just buy that.

    On 7/09/2020 12:55 pm, Ron Kolesar wrote:

        Here’s hoping it would make the Microsoft Flight simulator
        2020 program more accessible.

        Unlike it’s predecessor FSX, FS 2020 is not accessible for we
        who need to see with our ears.

        Even though, all throughout the newsletters and you tube
        tutorials, it does have accessibility if your sighted.

        This in short isn’t fair.

        So, here’s hoping the newer upgrade to NVDA is more accessible
        for we blind flight simmer pilots.

        Even though, in my opinion, JAWS is a much better program.

        Just my opinion.

        Ron Ham Radio and Emergency Communication Station KR3DOG

        *From:* Quentin Christensen

        *Sent:* Sunday, September 6, 2020 19:57

        *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

        *Subject:* [nvda] In-Process for 7th September is out

        In-process is out, this week with news on the upcoming
        NVDACon, a new accessible graphs project, a space-themed
        accessible RPG and some general tips on making software
        accessible:
https://www.nvaccess.org/post/in-process-7th-september-2020/
<https://www.nvaccess.org/post/in-process-7th-september-2020/>

        Regards

        Quentin.

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Re: NVDA and track changes in Microsoft word

Amir
 

Salaam Mary,

First and foremost, so nice to hear from you after a long while!
Having come from the JAWS side, I've never been a dedicated WinEyes user, so can't tell how WinEyes handled track changes. NVDA does support track changes although one can't get the track-oriented comprehensiveness JAWS provides.
I also recommend the "Microsoft Word text editor:   accessibility enhancement" add-on which really enhances NVDA's MS Word support especially with Word 2013/2016/2019. It might not be listed on NVDA's official add-ons page, but it's one of the best add-ons I've encountered -- it comes with excellent documentation, too. The download URL is https://github.com/paulber007/AllMyNVDAAddons/raw/master/wordAccessEnhancement/wordAccessEnhancement-2.1.nvda-addon

Best,
Amir


Re: In-Process for 7th September is out

Kevin Cussick
 

OK, sorry seen this after your mail before.

On 09/09/2020 21:50, Gene wrote:
I looked at the page you sent and I may see something different.  I'm trying the add-on now.  I'll let you know if it works.
Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Kevin Cussick via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2020 2:57 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] In-Process for 7th September is out
You might have an older version of this addon? do You want me to post a
link for You to get the latest version?OK the page is her below this text.
https://github.com/Olga-Yakovleva/RHVoice/wiki/Latest-version e
On 09/09/2020 20:49, Gene wrote:
I don't know what determines when the add-on works.  It doesn't work on my Windows 64 bit machine and I've seen a few other reports of it not working, but I don't know if there is a pattern.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Kevin Cussick via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2020 2:20 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] In-Process for 7th September is out

the Nvda addon does not do this it is very responsive and for me just
works.   I use it on windows and android.

On 08/09/2020 22:39, Gene wrote:
There is a SAPI 5 version of the voice.  I played with it this afternoon. I don't have Windows 10 so I can't compare it to the Windows 10 voices, whose name I don't recall now.

The voice I tried was alright, better than many free voices I've tried, but not nearly as good as Dectalk and Eloquence.  Still, it may be that some people might want to use it.

However, and I'd have to play a lot more with this to determine if it was a fluke or an ongoing problem, it appeared to slow down my computer to have the SAPI 5 voice installed.  Programs took longer to open.  As I said, to determine if that was just how things were for some other reason for the time I have the voice on my machine, which was only a short time, or whether it was caused by the SAPI 5 version would require more testing. When I removed the version, things returned to normal.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2020 4:26 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] In-Process for 7th September is out

Will the RH voice work on windows 10?



On 9/8/2020 12:59 PM, Kevin Cussick via groups.io wrote:
Rh voice would be nice I will get the page later if you need it or maybe someone else will b beet me to it.

On 08/09/2020 02:15, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
I think that's a great idea. If more people spoke up about their favorite voices, we could get them added to NVDA.



On 9/7/2020 10:27 AM, Leslie wrote:

Hay, maybe if we can hear from a large number of people who like these voices, maybe we can get them added to NVDA. As nonpremium voices.  We know they are always improving.

Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10

*From: *Rosemarie Chavarria <mailto:knitqueen2007@...>
*Sent: *Monday, September 7, 2020 9:49 AM
*To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject: *Re: [nvda] In-Process for 7th September is out

I'd also like to see the cortana voice added to NVDA without charge. I really like how she sounds. My favorite voice in the one-core voices is thefemale voice called Zera. She sounds very clear.

On 9/7/2020 9:04 AM, Leslie wrote:

    As I’ve said before, I just love NVDA. And it has all the features
    I need being an average computer user.  I do think that NVDA.
    Should add more of the truly great voices that are out there.  I
    love the 1 core voices and I also love Nuance.  I think that
    Cortana voice is one of the best.  I’d like to see her added to
    NVDA. Without charge.  I think the original voices that NVDA. Had
    are now pasee and should be droped because their quality isn’t
    good anymore.  What do you guys think?

    Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986>
    for Windows 10

    *From: *Shaun Everiss <mailto:@smeveriss>
    *Sent: *Monday, September 7, 2020 12:37 AM
    *To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
    *Subject: *Re: [nvda] In-Process for 7th September is out

    Hmph, if you are happy to pay a load of cash for each version
    update  from freedomscientiffic or visparo etc thats your issue,
    have issues with licences, need scripts for just about everything
    like win98 needs drivers, are happy with the possible bad
    technical support issues going about and are happy that if it
    screws up you need to repair, reinstall or reformat if it totally
    goes nuts, not to mention that visparo like suing everyone under
    the sun well more than I'd like, go ahead.

    When I used their stuff it was ok, but yeah, I never really had
    that many problems with it.

    Never got into the payed script racket, either.

    I had to repair it once or twice, but that was before it became a
    beast.

    Compaired to nvda well who knows.

    The information bandied round the list pluss a few other user
    experiences not my own pluss the fact that due to jaws and issues
    causing me to have to reformat to make them completely quit, but
    mostly information on here pluss what I hear from time to time,
    especially with how they got all the competing companies bar
    dolphin and that probably because they only just moved out of
    using internet explorer puts the impression on me that like
    microsoft used to be and may still be that this is a monopoly I
    would really like to see the back of.

    I certainly am happy I no longer use their software, and unless I
    got a job which is what jaws is bandied about by various
    governments and stuff, I wouldn't touch it unless I had the cash.

    To be hhonest this goes for dolphin stuff which is why I got in
    the beta program but that was for a completely selfish reason that
    being smuglers, its about all I care about now days.

    To be honest, I don't much care for a company who is clearly
    running a business for the charity, government and enterprise
    market with prices to high for average users to buy, and needing
    expensive upgrades and modules for remote access with specialised
    blindy bits and bobs.

    Nvda and things like narator have opened me to the mainstream, and
    with mainstream devices like the amazon echo devices and smart
    phones about, when the new normal comes along, I think some of
    these things will fall away sharply.

    Dolphin seems to recognise this, so does avast.

    So does nvaccess which is why I use them for most of my stuff.

    Now there are a few things nvda does not do, but everything has
    its limits.

    But if you plan to use a wordprocesser, a desktop app, a web
    brouser or email client or any office app or app using standard
    controls or terminals then you don't need jaws for that.

    Now some of the mega custom apps and the like specialised
    programs, will need specialised software, and yeah, jaws is what
    you need and will always need.

    Thats not nvda's job.

    The job of nvda is to handle all the normal business and home
    applications that use standard controls, and the like as well as
    web interfaces.

    To be honest that is what may happen, specialised software will
    need specialised software, and will be charged accordingly.

    The only reason I'd get jaws is leasy thats about the only reason
    I'd buy jaws now.

    And to be honest if leasy would just sell its games module then
    I'd just buy that.

    On 7/09/2020 12:55 pm, Ron Kolesar wrote:

        Here’s hoping it would make the Microsoft Flight simulator
        2020 program more accessible.

        Unlike it’s predecessor FSX, FS 2020 is not accessible for we
        who need to see with our ears.

        Even though, all throughout the newsletters and you tube
        tutorials, it does have accessibility if your sighted.

        This in short isn’t fair.

        So, here’s hoping the newer upgrade to NVDA is more accessible
        for we blind flight simmer pilots.

        Even though, in my opinion, JAWS is a much better program.

        Just my opinion.

        Ron Ham Radio and Emergency Communication Station KR3DOG

        *From:* Quentin Christensen

        *Sent:* Sunday, September 6, 2020 19:57

        *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

        *Subject:* [nvda] In-Process for 7th September is out

        In-process is out, this week with news on the upcoming
        NVDACon, a new accessible graphs project, a space-themed
        accessible RPG and some general tips on making software
        accessible:
https://www.nvaccess.org/post/in-process-7th-september-2020/
<https://www.nvaccess.org/post/in-process-7th-september-2020/>

        Regards

        Quentin.

        --
        Quentin Christensen
        Training and Support Manager

        Web: www.nvaccess.org <http://www.nvaccess.org/>

        Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
        <https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/>

        Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/
        <https://certification.nvaccess.org/>

        User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda
        <https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda>

        Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
        <http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess>
        Twitter: @NVAccess <https://twitter.com/NVAccess>

        In the good old days of Morse code Shorthand, 73's AKA Best
        Regards and or Best Whishes,From
        Ron Kolesar
        Volunteer Certified Licensed Emergency Communications Station
        And
        Volunteer Certified Licensed Ham Radio Station
        With the Call Sign of KR3DOG










Re: In-Process for 7th September is out

Kevin Cussick
 

Hi, what OS are You using? it works on all windows10 machines I have installed it on. and they are all on windows10 2004 and home with one machine running pro.

On 09/09/2020 21:46, Gene wrote:
Thanks.  That's where I downloaded it from and I got no incompatibility message when I installed it.  And as I said, I saw a number of messages from people who said it didn't work and a message or two from people saying it does, so there seems to be a problem that causes it not to work under some conditions.
Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Kevin Cussick via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2020 2:57 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] In-Process for 7th September is out
You might have an older version of this addon? do You want me to post a
link for You to get the latest version?OK the page is her below this text.
https://github.com/Olga-Yakovleva/RHVoice/wiki/Latest-version e
On 09/09/2020 20:49, Gene wrote:
I don't know what determines when the add-on works.  It doesn't work on my Windows 64 bit machine and I've seen a few other reports of it not working, but I don't know if there is a pattern.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Kevin Cussick via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2020 2:20 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] In-Process for 7th September is out

the Nvda addon does not do this it is very responsive and for me just
works.   I use it on windows and android.

On 08/09/2020 22:39, Gene wrote:
There is a SAPI 5 version of the voice.  I played with it this afternoon. I don't have Windows 10 so I can't compare it to the Windows 10 voices, whose name I don't recall now.

The voice I tried was alright, better than many free voices I've tried, but not nearly as good as Dectalk and Eloquence.  Still, it may be that some people might want to use it.

However, and I'd have to play a lot more with this to determine if it was a fluke or an ongoing problem, it appeared to slow down my computer to have the SAPI 5 voice installed.  Programs took longer to open.  As I said, to determine if that was just how things were for some other reason for the time I have the voice on my machine, which was only a short time, or whether it was caused by the SAPI 5 version would require more testing. When I removed the version, things returned to normal.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2020 4:26 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] In-Process for 7th September is out

Will the RH voice work on windows 10?



On 9/8/2020 12:59 PM, Kevin Cussick via groups.io wrote:
Rh voice would be nice I will get the page later if you need it or maybe someone else will b beet me to it.

On 08/09/2020 02:15, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
I think that's a great idea. If more people spoke up about their favorite voices, we could get them added to NVDA.



On 9/7/2020 10:27 AM, Leslie wrote:

Hay, maybe if we can hear from a large number of people who like these voices, maybe we can get them added to NVDA. As nonpremium voices.  We know they are always improving.

Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10

*From: *Rosemarie Chavarria <mailto:knitqueen2007@...>
*Sent: *Monday, September 7, 2020 9:49 AM
*To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject: *Re: [nvda] In-Process for 7th September is out

I'd also like to see the cortana voice added to NVDA without charge. I really like how she sounds. My favorite voice in the one-core voices is thefemale voice called Zera. She sounds very clear.

On 9/7/2020 9:04 AM, Leslie wrote:

    As I’ve said before, I just love NVDA. And it has all the features
    I need being an average computer user.  I do think that NVDA.
    Should add more of the truly great voices that are out there.  I
    love the 1 core voices and I also love Nuance.  I think that
    Cortana voice is one of the best.  I’d like to see her added to
    NVDA. Without charge.  I think the original voices that NVDA. Had
    are now pasee and should be droped because their quality isn’t
    good anymore.  What do you guys think?

    Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986>
    for Windows 10

    *From: *Shaun Everiss <mailto:@smeveriss>
    *Sent: *Monday, September 7, 2020 12:37 AM
    *To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
    *Subject: *Re: [nvda] In-Process for 7th September is out

    Hmph, if you are happy to pay a load of cash for each version
    update  from freedomscientiffic or visparo etc thats your issue,
    have issues with licences, need scripts for just about everything
    like win98 needs drivers, are happy with the possible bad
    technical support issues going about and are happy that if it
    screws up you need to repair, reinstall or reformat if it totally
    goes nuts, not to mention that visparo like suing everyone under
    the sun well more than I'd like, go ahead.

    When I used their stuff it was ok, but yeah, I never really had
    that many problems with it.

    Never got into the payed script racket, either.

    I had to repair it once or twice, but that was before it became a
    beast.

    Compaired to nvda well who knows.

    The information bandied round the list pluss a few other user
    experiences not my own pluss the fact that due to jaws and issues
    causing me to have to reformat to make them completely quit, but
    mostly information on here pluss what I hear from time to time,
    especially with how they got all the competing companies bar
    dolphin and that probably because they only just moved out of
    using internet explorer puts the impression on me that like
    microsoft used to be and may still be that this is a monopoly I
    would really like to see the back of.

    I certainly am happy I no longer use their software, and unless I
    got a job which is what jaws is bandied about by various
    governments and stuff, I wouldn't touch it unless I had the cash.

    To be hhonest this goes for dolphin stuff which is why I got in
    the beta program but that was for a completely selfish reason that
    being smuglers, its about all I care about now days.

    To be honest, I don't much care for a company who is clearly
    running a business for the charity, government and enterprise
    market with prices to high for average users to buy, and needing
    expensive upgrades and modules for remote access with specialised
    blindy bits and bobs.

    Nvda and things like narator have opened me to the mainstream, and
    with mainstream devices like the amazon echo devices and smart
    phones about, when the new normal comes along, I think some of
    these things will fall away sharply.

    Dolphin seems to recognise this, so does avast.

    So does nvaccess which is why I use them for most of my stuff.

    Now there are a few things nvda does not do, but everything has
    its limits.

    But if you plan to use a wordprocesser, a desktop app, a web
    brouser or email client or any office app or app using standard
    controls or terminals then you don't need jaws for that.

    Now some of the mega custom apps and the like specialised
    programs, will need specialised software, and yeah, jaws is what
    you need and will always need.

    Thats not nvda's job.

    The job of nvda is to handle all the normal business and home
    applications that use standard controls, and the like as well as
    web interfaces.

    To be honest that is what may happen, specialised software will
    need specialised software, and will be charged accordingly.

    The only reason I'd get jaws is leasy thats about the only reason
    I'd buy jaws now.

    And to be honest if leasy would just sell its games module then
    I'd just buy that.

    On 7/09/2020 12:55 pm, Ron Kolesar wrote:

        Here’s hoping it would make the Microsoft Flight simulator
        2020 program more accessible.

        Unlike it’s predecessor FSX, FS 2020 is not accessible for we
        who need to see with our ears.

        Even though, all throughout the newsletters and you tube
        tutorials, it does have accessibility if your sighted.

        This in short isn’t fair.

        So, here’s hoping the newer upgrade to NVDA is more accessible
        for we blind flight simmer pilots.

        Even though, in my opinion, JAWS is a much better program.

        Just my opinion.

        Ron Ham Radio and Emergency Communication Station KR3DOG

        *From:* Quentin Christensen

        *Sent:* Sunday, September 6, 2020 19:57

        *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

        *Subject:* [nvda] In-Process for 7th September is out

        In-process is out, this week with news on the upcoming
        NVDACon, a new accessible graphs project, a space-themed
        accessible RPG and some general tips on making software
        accessible:
https://www.nvaccess.org/post/in-process-7th-september-2020/
<https://www.nvaccess.org/post/in-process-7th-september-2020/>

        Regards

        Quentin.

        --
        Quentin Christensen
        Training and Support Manager

        Web: www.nvaccess.org <http://www.nvaccess.org/>

        Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
        <https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/>

        Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/
        <https://certification.nvaccess.org/>

        User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda
        <https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda>

        Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
        <http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess>
        Twitter: @NVAccess <https://twitter.com/NVAccess>

        In the good old days of Morse code Shorthand, 73's AKA Best
        Regards and or Best Whishes,From
        Ron Kolesar
        Volunteer Certified Licensed Emergency Communications Station
        And
        Volunteer Certified Licensed Ham Radio Station
        With the Call Sign of KR3DOG










Re: NVDA and track changes in Microsoft word

Leslie
 

Hi Mary, Did you go to Longden Ave. school? I know this is off topic, but I saw your name and I think I know you.  My name is Leslie Miller.  Do you remember me?

 

Now to topic.  NVDA. Is one of the best screen readers around.  It probably doesn’t have nearly all the tech things like JAWS and aI’m not sure about the track changes because when I listen to music I just listen to Pandora or Amazon Music like I’m listening to the radio.  I rhink this is the place to find people who know.  I just joined about four days ago.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Mary Otten
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2020 12:16 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA and track changes in Microsoft word

 

I am sending this on behalf of a friend, who is considering getting a Windows machine, but really wants to know how well he can do track changes with NVDA. He used to have a Windows machine along time ago, and window eyesworked really well with Microsoft Word and track changes. I assume that he would have to use the latest version of office 365 these days. So if track changes does not work really well, then this would be a major consideration for him. Any comments?

 

Mary

 

 

 


NVDA and track changes in Microsoft word

Mary Otten
 

I am sending this on behalf of a friend, who is considering getting a Windows machine, but really wants to know how well he can do track changes with NVDA. He used to have a Windows machine along time ago, and window eyesworked really well with Microsoft Word and track changes. I assume that he would have to use the latest version of office 365 these days. So if track changes does not work really well, then this would be a major consideration for him. Any comments?

Mary


Re: Over verbosity in the Winamp plugin

Gene
 

Perhaps it should be able to be turned on and off.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2020 10:27 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Over verbosity in the Winamp plugin



I actually didn't mind this. In fact because I had at the time a broken keyboard I would want to hear, next, pause, forward, etc. I use foobar now so don't care either way.

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On 10 Sep 2020, at 1:40, Gene wrote:



I could have written this as a direct comment to the authors of the plugin, but it may be better to get different opinions here so the authors may have a better sense of what people want, to the extent that the comments may or may not be representative.

I am asking that certain speech be taken out of the plugin or that it be off by default. Specifically, the announcement of play, stop, ;paused and unpaused. There are times when you don't need speech to tell you something. The action is immediately evident in what a program does and at times, the speech is intrusive and annoying. When listening to audio, self-evident announcements such as I mentioned above are, to me intrusive and annoying. I don't object to the rest of the speech. Hering on and off or centered is useful to confirm that a command has been carried out. It isn't nearly as obvious without speech, for example, if you turn repeat on, you wont know it is on until the file repeats.

Gene


Re: PDF files with MS Edge

George McCoy
 

Thank you, Rui.

On 9/9/2020 3:00 PM, Rui Fontes wrote:
No problem here... and Edge is the app set to open PDF...


Rui Fontes


Às 20:04 de 09/09/2020, George McCoy escreveu:
Is anyone having trouble reading PDF files with MS Edge under windows 2004? These are not image files. They read well under windows 1909.

Edge freezes and forces user into a bower button forced shutdown.


Thanks,

George




Re: Over verbosity in the Winamp plugin

Sarah k Alawami
 

I actually didn't mind this. In fact because I had at the time a broken keyboard I would want to hear, next, pause, forward, etc. I use foobar now so don't care either way.

--

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Check out my adventures with a shadow machine.

to subscribe to the feed click here and you can also follow us on twitter

Our discord is where you will know when we go live on twitch. Feel free to give the channel a follow and see what is up there.

For stream archives, products you can buy and more visit my main lbry page and my tffp lbry page You will also be able to buy some of my products and eBooks there.

Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here

On 10 Sep 2020, at 1:40, Gene wrote:

I could have written this as a direct comment to the authors of the plugin, but it may be better to get different opinions here so the authors may have a better sense of what people want, to the extent that the comments may or may not be representative.

I am asking that certain speech be taken out of the plugin or that it be off by default. Specifically, the announcement of play, stop, ;paused and unpaused. There are times when you don't need speech to tell you something. The action is immediately evident in what a program does and at times, the speech is intrusive and annoying. When listening to audio, self-evident announcements such as I mentioned above are, to me intrusive and annoying. I don't object to the rest of the speech. Hering on and off or centered is useful to confirm that a command has been carried out. It isn't nearly as obvious without speech, for example, if you turn repeat on, you wont know it is on until the file repeats.

Gene


Re: Entering time values on youtube website

Sarah k Alawami
 

I have many a story where I can trigger my boyfriends assistant when I'm on the phone. He has also triggered mine. We also played with someone's ALady over twitch this way. There was a podcast and commercial where everyone's assistances were being triggered when someone said the magic phrase. My siri was triggered by my student over skype once, and my boyfriend triggered my pixel, siri, bixby, and mini, all while over the phone. I think his screen reader triggered google and bixby once, I think I was on the phone for that one.

--

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Check out my adventures with a shadow machine.

to subscribe to the feed click here and you can also follow us on twitter

Our discord is where you will know when we go live on twitch. Feel free to give the channel a follow and see what is up there.

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On 10 Sep 2020, at 0:43, Gene wrote:

Has anyone had any digital assistant triggered by having a screen-reader say its name? I don't recall seeing any messages on the lists I follow about this. And I have a friend with an Echo who, at times when we talk and say the name of the assistant has it try to do something or say she can't find something, but only when she says the name. We did an experiment and when I, on her speaker phone, say the name, there is no response.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2020 11:37 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Entering time values on youtube website

It's a "wow in the world" reference. If anyone is interested just consult zootle for more.

Glad the tip helped. You can do so much with that url. I even know someone who changed the format, time, speed I think. I'm not really sure what else.

--

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Check out my adventures with a shadow machine.

to subscribe to the feed click here and you can also follow us on twitter

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On 9 Sep 2020, at 15:38, JM Casey wrote:

Thank you Sarah. Definitely more than apparent under youtube’s hood. Also zootle made me chuckle. And I’m weird so I now had to check to see if that’s a website. Nope..ah well!

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io nvda@nvda.groups.io On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami
Sent: September 8, 2020 7:04 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Entering time values on youtube website

You can actually modify the URL with I think something like t=600 for 600 seconds. If you know what you are doing, you can modify that uRL to do a lot. You will have to consult our best friend zootle (I changed the name so as not to trigger anyone's homes) and find the exact codes.

--

Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website.

Check out my adventures with a shadow machine.

to subscribe to the feed click here and you can also follow us on twitter

Our discord is where you will know when we go live on twitch. Feel free to give the channel a follow and see what is up there.

For stream archives, products you can buy and more visit my main lbry page and my tffp lbry page You will also be able to buy some of my products and eBooks there.

Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here

On 8 Sep 2020, at 13:46, JM Casey wrote:

Hello everyone. Using NVDA 2020.2, and, in this case, Chrome, my favourite browser for a ccessing youtube as it is extremely responsive to the keyboard commands.

Recently I’ve come to use youtube more than usual, and have finally taken a good amount of time to figure out how the interface actually works, how to navigate channels and the player, etc. I’ve come across some recordings that are several hours long. A cool thing is that if I exit the site for whatever reason and then come back to it, even well after the browser session is closed, my place is usually “remembered” by youtube. However, I’d like to be able to specify the time at which to start playing in presentations that are sometimes 6+ hours long. I am pretty sure this can be done, but I’m having trouble figuring out where the cursor should be positioned to enter in the vlue. I have tried switching browse mode off and being in the position where the current elapsed time fo the recording is shown, but this doesn’t seem to do the trick. I believe I understand what the format should be (hours:minutes:seconds).

Any tips?

Thanks!