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Re: nuance cerence neural tts for NVDA?

Jesse Farquharson
 

I personally don't think I'd mind the delay, honestly. If it meant access to new voices I've not heard before which could make reading documents and such more pleasant, I think I'd gladly take it.


Re: nuance cerence neural tts for NVDA?

Amir
 

Nicely put. Granted, Apple relies on them, Nuance in this case, for VoiceOver, but its own Siri Female voice is head and shoulders above what Vocalizer provides. Of course, I mean the Siri voice which VoiceOver can't use as there's a difference between the Female Siri voice for VoiceOver and the Female Siri voice which utilizes deep learning algorithms. Moreover, the best performers are also gobbled up by larger companies (like what happened to Ivona with Amazon). The rather worrying point, at least for screen reader users is that though Google/Microsoft/IBM have achieved a lot in terms of bringing oomph and naturalness to their TTS engines via deep learning, they can't be used offline due to various limitations and can't be used online due to the delay they generate for screen readers.

Best,
Amir


Re: nuance cerence neural tts for NVDA?

Afik Souffir
 

 

Hi,

 

How can you download this voice?

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Devin Prater
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 6:29 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nuance cerence neural tts for NVDA?

 

I kinda think these specialty TTS companies are losing steam. I don't think they can keep up with Apple, Google, or even Amazon in this.

Devin Prater

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On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 9:57 AM Leslie <soundsofmusic@...> wrote:

 

 

 

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From: Gene
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 7:23 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nuance cerence neural tts for NVDA?

 

There is nothing wonderful about those voices.

Zoey sounds as though she's gargling a little and has stilted inflection.

She sounds to me as though she is on downers.  The other voice I sampled has

stilted inflection and artifacts as well.  They may be better than the

Nuance voices that came before, but until these newer synthesizers sound as

good as the Google Assistant or Alexa, or other such very high quality

speech found in digital assistants, I'll consider them not worth using.

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

From: Josh Kennedy

Where do you find them and how much are they?  I loved the nuance voices that I heard before.  I know you don’t like them, Jean, but I’d like to hear samples.  I’m one of those people who like to change voices every once in a while.  I have many voices on my phone.  They add variety as I work.Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 8:39 AM

To: nvda@groups.io

Subject: [nvda] nuance cerence neural tts for NVDA?

 

 

 

Hi,

 

Does anyone know if atguys or some other company will be selling the new

Cerence vocalizer deep AI voices for NVDA? Nextup sells them for their text

aloud product and they sound really good. Voices like conversational Zoey

sound quite good.

 

 

 

Josh

 

 

 

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


Re: nuance cerence neural tts for NVDA?

Devin Prater
 

I kinda think these specialty TTS companies are losing steam. I don't think they can keep up with Apple, Google, or even Amazon in this.
Devin Prater
sent from Gmail.


On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 9:57 AM Leslie <soundsofmusic@...> wrote:

 

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Gene
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 7:23 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nuance cerence neural tts for NVDA?

 

There is nothing wonderful about those voices.

Zoey sounds as though she's gargling a little and has stilted inflection.

She sounds to me as though she is on downers.  The other voice I sampled has

stilted inflection and artifacts as well.  They may be better than the

Nuance voices that came before, but until these newer synthesizers sound as

good as the Google Assistant or Alexa, or other such very high quality

speech found in digital assistants, I'll consider them not worth using.

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

From: Josh Kennedy

Where do you find them and how much are they?  I loved the nuance voices that I heard before.  I know you don’t like them, Jean, but I’d like to hear samples.  I’m one of those people who like to change voices every once in a while.  I have many voices on my phone.  They add variety as I work.Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 8:39 AM

To: nvda@groups.io

Subject: [nvda] nuance cerence neural tts for NVDA?

 

 

 

Hi,

 

Does anyone know if atguys or some other company will be selling the new

Cerence vocalizer deep AI voices for NVDA? Nextup sells them for their text

aloud product and they sound really good. Voices like conversational Zoey

sound quite good.

 

 

 

Josh

 

 

 

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


Re: FileZilla brings NVDA to a grinding halt

Damien Garwood <damien@...>
 

Hi,
If there's an error, WinSCP brings up a dialog straightaway asking whether you want to retry, skip or abort.
Cheers,
Damien.

On 11/09/2020 03:50 pm, Jesse Farquharson wrote:
Hi Damien,
Does WinSCP allow you to view failed transfers and such?
Thanks.


Re: nuance cerence neural tts for NVDA?

Leslie
 

 

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Gene
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 7:23 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nuance cerence neural tts for NVDA?

 

There is nothing wonderful about those voices.

Zoey sounds as though she's gargling a little and has stilted inflection.

She sounds to me as though she is on downers.  The other voice I sampled has

stilted inflection and artifacts as well.  They may be better than the

Nuance voices that came before, but until these newer synthesizers sound as

good as the Google Assistant or Alexa, or other such very high quality

speech found in digital assistants, I'll consider them not worth using.

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

From: Josh Kennedy

Where do you find them and how much are they?  I loved the nuance voices that I heard before.  I know you don’t like them, Jean, but I’d like to hear samples.  I’m one of those people who like to change voices every once in a while.  I have many voices on my phone.  They add variety as I work.Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 8:39 AM

To: nvda@groups.io

Subject: [nvda] nuance cerence neural tts for NVDA?

 

 

 

Hi,

 

Does anyone know if atguys or some other company will be selling the new

Cerence vocalizer deep AI voices for NVDA? Nextup sells them for their text

aloud product and they sound really good. Voices like conversational Zoey

sound quite good.

 

 

 

Josh

 

 

 

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


Re: FileZilla brings NVDA to a grinding halt

Jesse Farquharson
 

Hi Damien,

Does WinSCP allow you to view failed transfers and such?

Thanks.


Re: nuance cerence neural tts for NVDA?

Amir
 

Agreed 100 percent -- as subjective as it might be. At least compared with what we hear from cloud-based Google/Siri/IBM AI voices, the newly packaged Nuance Vocalizer voices sound vapid and the US English ones have intonation issues.

Best,
Amir


Re: FileZilla brings NVDA to a grinding halt

Damien Garwood <damien@...>
 

Hi,
I have the same problem. That's why I use WinSCP, not only for its better responsiveness alongside NVDA, but also the fact that it's less cluttered (with the right settings).
Cheers,
Damien.

On 11/09/2020 03:36 pm, Jesse Farquharson wrote:
Hello folks,
I have been trying to do some large folder transfers from FileZilla to my new machine. I noticed this on the old one, but chopped it up to the laughable specs on it. This new machine however is a complete monster, and while I'm trying to do a FileZilla transfer of 20000+ audio files, NVDA grinds to a complete stop. If I try and move around the FileZilla window, I often have to restart NVDA. Can anyone comment on this?
Thanks.


FileZilla brings NVDA to a grinding halt

Jesse Farquharson
 

Hello folks,

I have been trying to do some large folder transfers from FileZilla to my new machine. I noticed this on the old one, but chopped it up to the laughable specs on it. This new machine however is a complete monster, and while I'm trying to do a FileZilla transfer of 20000+ audio files, NVDA grinds to a complete stop. If I try and move around the FileZilla window, I often have to restart NVDA. Can anyone comment on this?

Thanks.


Re: nuance cerence neural tts for NVDA?

Ron Canazzi
 

You wrote:
"There is nothing wonderful about those voices.
Zoey sounds as though she's gargling a little and has stilted inflection. She sounds to me as though she is on ..."
which only goes to show that beauty or in this case audio clarity is in the eyes/ears of the beholder.

I have seen this kind of disagreement about how wonderful or terrible voices/synthesizers sound for years and I have come to the conclusion that every ear hears things differently.  With my hearing issues, I think that the Eloquence synthesizer with the male American English voices of Glenn and Reed are superior to most out there.  There are those who have voiced vehement disagreement with this analysis: and so it goes.

On 9/11/2020 10:23 AM, Gene wrote:
There is nothing wonderful about those voices.
Zoey sounds as though she's gargling a little and has stilted inflection. She sounds to me as though she is on downers.  The other voice I sampled has stilted inflection and artifacts as well.  They may be better than the Nuance voices that came before, but until these newer synthesizers sound as good as the Google Assistant or Alexa, or other such very high quality speech found in digital assistants, I'll consider them not worth using.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Josh Kennedy
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 8:39 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] nuance cerence neural tts for NVDA?



Hi,

Does anyone know if atguys or some other company will be selling the new Cerence vocalizer deep AI voices for NVDA? Nextup sells them for their text aloud product and they sound really good. Voices like conversational Zoey sound quite good.



Josh





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Re: nuance cerence neural tts for NVDA?

CARLOS-ESTEBAN <carlosestebanpianista@...>
 

Hi all.

Not is easy make a driver for this voices and NVDA. The voices based in cloud services depending of the internet connection, and a screen reader send many text. Is necessary search some solutions first.

Regards.

 

 

Carlos Esteban Martínez Macías.

Músico (pianista) y también ayuda a usuarios ciegos y con discapacidad visual con el uso de lectores de pantalla y tecnología.

Experto certificado en el lector de pantalla NVDA.

 

Musician (pianist) and help to the blind people, with use of screen readers and technology. Certified expert in the screen reader NVDA.

 

NVDA certified expert certificate

 

De: Gene
Enviado: viernes, 11 de septiembre de 2020 9:23
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Asunto: Re: [nvda] nuance cerence neural tts for NVDA?

 

There is nothing wonderful about those voices.

Zoey sounds as though she's gargling a little and has stilted inflection.

She sounds to me as though she is on downers.  The other voice I sampled has

stilted inflection and artifacts as well.  They may be better than the

Nuance voices that came before, but until these newer synthesizers sound as

good as the Google Assistant or Alexa, or other such very high quality

speech found in digital assistants, I'll consider them not worth using.

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

From: Josh Kennedy

Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 8:39 AM

To: nvda@groups.io

Subject: [nvda] nuance cerence neural tts for NVDA?

 

 

 

Hi,

 

Does anyone know if atguys or some other company will be selling the new

Cerence vocalizer deep AI voices for NVDA? Nextup sells them for their text

aloud product and they sound really good. Voices like conversational Zoey

sound quite good.

 

 

 

Josh

 

 

 

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


Re: nuance cerence neural tts for NVDA?

Jesse Farquharson
 

That might be your opinion, and that's perfectly fine. But I'm sure there are others who would welcome the additions. The thing is, most of the Nuance voices NVDA uses haven't been refreshed in quite some time. In fact, since NVDA 2019.3, we have not gained voices, we have lost the ability to use many of them, because they have not been ported to Python 3. Ie DecTalk, SoftVoice, RH Voice and so on and so on.

As crazy as it sounds, there are some, such as myself, who still want to use them. They may be old, but they do have a certain... charm.

The loss of those voices is really what kept me from updating for quite some time. And I'm still a bit sore about it. I wish a greater effort had been taken to bring some of the classics along.


Re: nuance cerence neural tts for NVDA?

Gene
 

There is nothing wonderful about those voices.
Zoey sounds as though she's gargling a little and has stilted inflection. She sounds to me as though she is on downers. The other voice I sampled has stilted inflection and artifacts as well. They may be better than the Nuance voices that came before, but until these newer synthesizers sound as good as the Google Assistant or Alexa, or other such very high quality speech found in digital assistants, I'll consider them not worth using.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Josh Kennedy
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 8:39 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] nuance cerence neural tts for NVDA?



Hi,

Does anyone know if atguys or some other company will be selling the new Cerence vocalizer deep AI voices for NVDA? Nextup sells them for their text aloud product and they sound really good. Voices like conversational Zoey sound quite good.



Josh





Sent from Mail for Windows 10


nuance cerence neural tts for NVDA?

Josh Kennedy
 

Hi,

Does anyone know if atguys or some other company will be selling the new Cerence vocalizer deep AI voices for NVDA? Nextup sells them for their text aloud product and they sound really good. Voices like conversational Zoey sound quite good.

 

Josh

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


Re: Running production build and alpha build concurrently?

Gene
 

You can't have more than one copy installed but you can have an installed copy and a portable version on the same machine. You can have as many portable versions as you want and no installed version if you wish.

The portable versions can't do certtain things, and those limitations apply mostly to Windows 10. But you may be able to check whatever you intend to with the portable version.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: blindgroupsluke@gmail.com
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2020 10:57 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Running production build and alpha build concurrently?



I have the latest production version of NVDA installed on my machine but need to install an alpha build to troubleshoot an issue. If I install an alpha build, will it replace my normal install or will I be able to have both versions installed at the same time and choose which I want to run?



Thanks,

Luke


Running production build and alpha build concurrently?

blindgroupsluke@...
 

I have the latest production version of NVDA installed on my machine but need to install an alpha build to troubleshoot an issue. If I install an alpha build, will it replace my normal install or will I be able to have both versions installed at the same time and choose which I want to run?

 

Thanks,

Luke

 


Re: NVDA and track changes in Microsoft word

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi Mary,

NVDA certainly works with Track Changes in Word.  NVDA sees track changes as "Annotations" similar to comments, and you can navigate between them with A and SHIFT+A in Browse mode.  We have a couple of topics on Track Changes in the "Microsoft Word with NVDA" training module which your friend might be interested in.  If they used Window-Eyes not too long ago, they might also find the guide we have for switching from Window-Eyes to NVDA useful: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda-community/wiki/Switching-from-Window-Eyes-to-NVDA.  If they'd like to learn from scratch, we have the Basic Training for NVDA module, or for best value for that and the Office material, we have the NVDA Productivity Bundle which also includes telephone support.  All of those are in the shop: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop (no pressure to buy, just advising they are there - the switching from Window-Eyes to NVDA is completely free).

Leslie, it's a common misconception that NVDA doesn't have as many productivity features as Jaws, but looking at the Jaws keystrokes I can't see anything in there re track changes that NVDA can't do?

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 6:16 AM Amir <mobilespace08@...> wrote:
Salaam Mary,

First and foremost, so nice to hear from you after a long while!
Having come from the JAWS side, I've never been a dedicated WinEyes user, so can't tell how WinEyes handled track changes. NVDA does support track changes although one can't get the track-oriented comprehensiveness JAWS provides.
I also recommend the "Microsoft Word text editor:   accessibility enhancement" add-on which really enhances NVDA's MS Word support especially with Word 2013/2016/2019. It might not be listed on NVDA's official add-ons page, but it's one of the best add-ons I've encountered -- it comes with excellent documentation, too. The download URL is https://github.com/paulber007/AllMyNVDAAddons/raw/master/wordAccessEnhancement/wordAccessEnhancement-2.1.nvda-addon

Best,
Amir



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Re: Update on previously mentioned issue with single-letternavigation

Quentin Christensen
 

I too read "Single letter navigation", which is a specific term used to indicate pressing say H to move to the next heading on a web page.

So, now we know it's "First letter navigation" on the desktop, yes I can replicate.  We do have an issue for this here: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/10971

The workaround I'd suggest is to create a configuration profile for explorer (when on the desktop) and in that profile, turn off speak typed characters and speak command keys.  

I wrote a piece for In-Process on doing this awhile ago.  The specific steps in the article are to change the "Say all" profile, but at the step where you create a new profile, tab to "Use this profile for" and right arrow to "Current program", it will set it up for the current program.  (Otherwise it is also covered in several topics in Basic Training for NVDA in more depth).

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 10:19 PM Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
I read the message again and I see it discusses the desktop and not quick
navigation commands in browse mode.  I also checked and I see that when
moving by letter on the desktop, letters are announced.  So, somehow, that
may be related to the problem.

I think of single letter navigation as what is used as quick navigation
commands on web pages and I didn't realize the message was talking about the
desktop.  When navigating on the desktop or other lists, the term usually
used is first letter navigation, and not seeing it and seeing the other
caused me to misread the message.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Luke Davis
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2020 7:05 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Update on previously mentioned
issue with single-letternavigation

Quentin, Gene, et al

I will point out, that in her original message, she did mention the desktop.

That suggests to me that she is using the letters in question to jump to
icons
on the desktop.  Nothing was said about browse mode shortcuts in her
message,
although all commenters so far seem to have taken it that way.

Luke








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Training and Support Manager


Re: Entering time values on youtube website

JM Casey
 

Zootle, the Greatest Oracle of them all..Hail Zootle!

 

Incidentally I don’t have any of these devices you mentioned in your amusing anecdotes – my Android phone does not seem to respond to screen-reader voice when it’s in touch withZootle to assist with dictation, but periodically when I lose internet connection and the phone doesn’t realise it has no access, it still tries to understand dictation but becomes incredibly dumb, pickingup all sorts of sounds and trying to make sense of them and doing a really bad job.  It needs the power of its master Zootle in order to adopt semblence of intelligence…

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami
Sent: September 10, 2020 12:37 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Entering time values on youtube website

 

It's a "wow in the world" reference. If anyone is interested just consult zootle for more.

Glad the tip helped. You can do so much with that url. I even know someone who changed the format, time, speed I think. I'm not really sure what else.

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On 9 Sep 2020, at 15:38, JM Casey wrote:

Thank you Sarah. Definitely more than apparent under youtube’s hood. Also zootle made me chuckle. And I’m weird so I now had to check to see if that’s a website. Nope..ah well!

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami
Sent: September 8, 2020 7:04 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Entering time values on youtube website

 

You can actually modify the URL with I think something like t=600 for 600 seconds. If you know what you are doing, you can modify that uRL to do a lot. You will have to consult our best friend zootle (I changed the name so as not to trigger anyone's homes) and find the exact codes.

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On 8 Sep 2020, at 13:46, JM Casey wrote:

Hello everyone. Using NVDA 2020.2, and, in this case, Chrome, my favourite browser for a ccessing youtube as it is extremely responsive to the keyboard commands.

Recently I’ve come to use youtube more than usual, and have finally taken a good amount of time to figure out how the interface actually works, how to navigate channels and the player, etc. I’ve come across some recordings that are several hours long. A cool thing is that if I exit the site for whatever reason and then come back to it, even well after the browser session is closed, my place is usually “remembered” by youtube. However, I’d like to be able to specify the time at which to start playing in presentations that are sometimes 6+ hours long. I am pretty sure this can be done, but I’m having trouble figuring out where the cursor should be positioned to enter in the vlue. I have tried switching browse mode off and being in the position where the current elapsed time fo the recording is shown, but this doesn’t seem to do the trick. I believe I understand what the format should be (hours:minutes:seconds).

Any tips?

Thanks!

 

 

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