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Re: nuance cerence neural tts for NVDA?

Amir
 

OK. Let's see what happens in this regard in the near future. I also like IBM TTS (Watson) and the default Google Neural voice.

Best,
Amir


Re: FileZilla brings NVDA to a grinding halt

 

Have you considered SyncToy?  See: 

Download SyncToy 2.1 from Official Microsoft Download Center


The nice thing is that it should be accessible and it lets you set things up for synchronization that's bidirectional or unidirectional.
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Re: nuance cerence neural tts for NVDA?

Jesse Farquharson
 

I understand the delays aspect of things, for sure. Which is why I wouldn't use it for navigation. If NVAccess were to post a disclaimer somewhere, I'm sure that might help things. Or, different voices could be specified for different use cases, sort of akin to how... dare I say it, JAWS does it.

In terms of the cost, for sure, that could be a definite barrier. However, I'm sure something could be worked out in that regard.


Re: nuance cerence neural tts for NVDA?

Amir
 

But it might be a serious concern -- guess it is indeed. People are complaining about 70-millisecond delays with SAPI 5 voices on NVDA's Github issues page, and these deep-learning voices can generate substantially longer pauses given their online operation. If you throw some paragraphs at them to read longer passages, the delay might be passable, but for navigation, the essence of screen reader use, that will become a headache. What's more, they are not free. You can use them up to a certain point for free, but all of them charge users per a specified number of characters synthesized after that. And the screen reader usage model requires lots of synthesis -- even for typing stuff.

Best,
Amir


Re: nuance cerence neural tts for NVDA?

Jesse Farquharson
 

I personally don't think I'd mind the delay, honestly. If it meant access to new voices I've not heard before which could make reading documents and such more pleasant, I think I'd gladly take it.


Re: nuance cerence neural tts for NVDA?

Amir
 

Nicely put. Granted, Apple relies on them, Nuance in this case, for VoiceOver, but its own Siri Female voice is head and shoulders above what Vocalizer provides. Of course, I mean the Siri voice which VoiceOver can't use as there's a difference between the Female Siri voice for VoiceOver and the Female Siri voice which utilizes deep learning algorithms. Moreover, the best performers are also gobbled up by larger companies (like what happened to Ivona with Amazon). The rather worrying point, at least for screen reader users is that though Google/Microsoft/IBM have achieved a lot in terms of bringing oomph and naturalness to their TTS engines via deep learning, they can't be used offline due to various limitations and can't be used online due to the delay they generate for screen readers.

Best,
Amir


Re: nuance cerence neural tts for NVDA?

Afik Souffir
 

 

Hi,

 

How can you download this voice?

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Devin Prater
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 6:29 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nuance cerence neural tts for NVDA?

 

I kinda think these specialty TTS companies are losing steam. I don't think they can keep up with Apple, Google, or even Amazon in this.

Devin Prater

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On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 9:57 AM Leslie <soundsofmusic@...> wrote:

 

 

 

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From: Gene
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 7:23 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nuance cerence neural tts for NVDA?

 

There is nothing wonderful about those voices.

Zoey sounds as though she's gargling a little and has stilted inflection.

She sounds to me as though she is on downers.  The other voice I sampled has

stilted inflection and artifacts as well.  They may be better than the

Nuance voices that came before, but until these newer synthesizers sound as

good as the Google Assistant or Alexa, or other such very high quality

speech found in digital assistants, I'll consider them not worth using.

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

From: Josh Kennedy

Where do you find them and how much are they?  I loved the nuance voices that I heard before.  I know you don’t like them, Jean, but I’d like to hear samples.  I’m one of those people who like to change voices every once in a while.  I have many voices on my phone.  They add variety as I work.Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 8:39 AM

To: nvda@groups.io

Subject: [nvda] nuance cerence neural tts for NVDA?

 

 

 

Hi,

 

Does anyone know if atguys or some other company will be selling the new

Cerence vocalizer deep AI voices for NVDA? Nextup sells them for their text

aloud product and they sound really good. Voices like conversational Zoey

sound quite good.

 

 

 

Josh

 

 

 

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


Re: nuance cerence neural tts for NVDA?

Devin Prater
 

I kinda think these specialty TTS companies are losing steam. I don't think they can keep up with Apple, Google, or even Amazon in this.
Devin Prater
sent from Gmail.


On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 9:57 AM Leslie <soundsofmusic@...> wrote:

 

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Gene
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 7:23 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nuance cerence neural tts for NVDA?

 

There is nothing wonderful about those voices.

Zoey sounds as though she's gargling a little and has stilted inflection.

She sounds to me as though she is on downers.  The other voice I sampled has

stilted inflection and artifacts as well.  They may be better than the

Nuance voices that came before, but until these newer synthesizers sound as

good as the Google Assistant or Alexa, or other such very high quality

speech found in digital assistants, I'll consider them not worth using.

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

From: Josh Kennedy

Where do you find them and how much are they?  I loved the nuance voices that I heard before.  I know you don’t like them, Jean, but I’d like to hear samples.  I’m one of those people who like to change voices every once in a while.  I have many voices on my phone.  They add variety as I work.Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 8:39 AM

To: nvda@groups.io

Subject: [nvda] nuance cerence neural tts for NVDA?

 

 

 

Hi,

 

Does anyone know if atguys or some other company will be selling the new

Cerence vocalizer deep AI voices for NVDA? Nextup sells them for their text

aloud product and they sound really good. Voices like conversational Zoey

sound quite good.

 

 

 

Josh

 

 

 

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


Re: FileZilla brings NVDA to a grinding halt

Damien Garwood
 

Hi,
If there's an error, WinSCP brings up a dialog straightaway asking whether you want to retry, skip or abort.
Cheers,
Damien.

On 11/09/2020 03:50 pm, Jesse Farquharson wrote:
Hi Damien,
Does WinSCP allow you to view failed transfers and such?
Thanks.


Re: nuance cerence neural tts for NVDA?

Leslie
 

 

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Gene
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 7:23 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nuance cerence neural tts for NVDA?

 

There is nothing wonderful about those voices.

Zoey sounds as though she's gargling a little and has stilted inflection.

She sounds to me as though she is on downers.  The other voice I sampled has

stilted inflection and artifacts as well.  They may be better than the

Nuance voices that came before, but until these newer synthesizers sound as

good as the Google Assistant or Alexa, or other such very high quality

speech found in digital assistants, I'll consider them not worth using.

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

From: Josh Kennedy

Where do you find them and how much are they?  I loved the nuance voices that I heard before.  I know you don’t like them, Jean, but I’d like to hear samples.  I’m one of those people who like to change voices every once in a while.  I have many voices on my phone.  They add variety as I work.Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 8:39 AM

To: nvda@groups.io

Subject: [nvda] nuance cerence neural tts for NVDA?

 

 

 

Hi,

 

Does anyone know if atguys or some other company will be selling the new

Cerence vocalizer deep AI voices for NVDA? Nextup sells them for their text

aloud product and they sound really good. Voices like conversational Zoey

sound quite good.

 

 

 

Josh

 

 

 

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


Re: FileZilla brings NVDA to a grinding halt

Jesse Farquharson
 

Hi Damien,

Does WinSCP allow you to view failed transfers and such?

Thanks.


Re: nuance cerence neural tts for NVDA?

Amir
 

Agreed 100 percent -- as subjective as it might be. At least compared with what we hear from cloud-based Google/Siri/IBM AI voices, the newly packaged Nuance Vocalizer voices sound vapid and the US English ones have intonation issues.

Best,
Amir


Re: FileZilla brings NVDA to a grinding halt

Damien Garwood
 

Hi,
I have the same problem. That's why I use WinSCP, not only for its better responsiveness alongside NVDA, but also the fact that it's less cluttered (with the right settings).
Cheers,
Damien.

On 11/09/2020 03:36 pm, Jesse Farquharson wrote:
Hello folks,
I have been trying to do some large folder transfers from FileZilla to my new machine. I noticed this on the old one, but chopped it up to the laughable specs on it. This new machine however is a complete monster, and while I'm trying to do a FileZilla transfer of 20000+ audio files, NVDA grinds to a complete stop. If I try and move around the FileZilla window, I often have to restart NVDA. Can anyone comment on this?
Thanks.


FileZilla brings NVDA to a grinding halt

Jesse Farquharson
 

Hello folks,

I have been trying to do some large folder transfers from FileZilla to my new machine. I noticed this on the old one, but chopped it up to the laughable specs on it. This new machine however is a complete monster, and while I'm trying to do a FileZilla transfer of 20000+ audio files, NVDA grinds to a complete stop. If I try and move around the FileZilla window, I often have to restart NVDA. Can anyone comment on this?

Thanks.


Re: nuance cerence neural tts for NVDA?

Ron Canazzi
 

You wrote:
"There is nothing wonderful about those voices.
Zoey sounds as though she's gargling a little and has stilted inflection. She sounds to me as though she is on ..."
which only goes to show that beauty or in this case audio clarity is in the eyes/ears of the beholder.

I have seen this kind of disagreement about how wonderful or terrible voices/synthesizers sound for years and I have come to the conclusion that every ear hears things differently.  With my hearing issues, I think that the Eloquence synthesizer with the male American English voices of Glenn and Reed are superior to most out there.  There are those who have voiced vehement disagreement with this analysis: and so it goes.

On 9/11/2020 10:23 AM, Gene wrote:
There is nothing wonderful about those voices.
Zoey sounds as though she's gargling a little and has stilted inflection. She sounds to me as though she is on downers.  The other voice I sampled has stilted inflection and artifacts as well.  They may be better than the Nuance voices that came before, but until these newer synthesizers sound as good as the Google Assistant or Alexa, or other such very high quality speech found in digital assistants, I'll consider them not worth using.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Josh Kennedy
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 8:39 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] nuance cerence neural tts for NVDA?



Hi,

Does anyone know if atguys or some other company will be selling the new Cerence vocalizer deep AI voices for NVDA? Nextup sells them for their text aloud product and they sound really good. Voices like conversational Zoey sound quite good.



Josh





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Re: nuance cerence neural tts for NVDA?

CARLOS-ESTEBAN
 

Hi all.

Not is easy make a driver for this voices and NVDA. The voices based in cloud services depending of the internet connection, and a screen reader send many text. Is necessary search some solutions first.

Regards.

 

 

Carlos Esteban Martínez Macías.

Músico (pianista) y también ayuda a usuarios ciegos y con discapacidad visual con el uso de lectores de pantalla y tecnología.

Experto certificado en el lector de pantalla NVDA.

 

Musician (pianist) and help to the blind people, with use of screen readers and technology. Certified expert in the screen reader NVDA.

 

NVDA certified expert certificate

 

De: Gene
Enviado: viernes, 11 de septiembre de 2020 9:23
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Asunto: Re: [nvda] nuance cerence neural tts for NVDA?

 

There is nothing wonderful about those voices.

Zoey sounds as though she's gargling a little and has stilted inflection.

She sounds to me as though she is on downers.  The other voice I sampled has

stilted inflection and artifacts as well.  They may be better than the

Nuance voices that came before, but until these newer synthesizers sound as

good as the Google Assistant or Alexa, or other such very high quality

speech found in digital assistants, I'll consider them not worth using.

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

From: Josh Kennedy

Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 8:39 AM

To: nvda@groups.io

Subject: [nvda] nuance cerence neural tts for NVDA?

 

 

 

Hi,

 

Does anyone know if atguys or some other company will be selling the new

Cerence vocalizer deep AI voices for NVDA? Nextup sells them for their text

aloud product and they sound really good. Voices like conversational Zoey

sound quite good.

 

 

 

Josh

 

 

 

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


Re: nuance cerence neural tts for NVDA?

Jesse Farquharson
 

That might be your opinion, and that's perfectly fine. But I'm sure there are others who would welcome the additions. The thing is, most of the Nuance voices NVDA uses haven't been refreshed in quite some time. In fact, since NVDA 2019.3, we have not gained voices, we have lost the ability to use many of them, because they have not been ported to Python 3. Ie DecTalk, SoftVoice, RH Voice and so on and so on.

As crazy as it sounds, there are some, such as myself, who still want to use them. They may be old, but they do have a certain... charm.

The loss of those voices is really what kept me from updating for quite some time. And I'm still a bit sore about it. I wish a greater effort had been taken to bring some of the classics along.


Re: nuance cerence neural tts for NVDA?

Gene
 

There is nothing wonderful about those voices.
Zoey sounds as though she's gargling a little and has stilted inflection. She sounds to me as though she is on downers. The other voice I sampled has stilted inflection and artifacts as well. They may be better than the Nuance voices that came before, but until these newer synthesizers sound as good as the Google Assistant or Alexa, or other such very high quality speech found in digital assistants, I'll consider them not worth using.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Josh Kennedy
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 8:39 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] nuance cerence neural tts for NVDA?



Hi,

Does anyone know if atguys or some other company will be selling the new Cerence vocalizer deep AI voices for NVDA? Nextup sells them for their text aloud product and they sound really good. Voices like conversational Zoey sound quite good.



Josh





Sent from Mail for Windows 10


nuance cerence neural tts for NVDA?

Josh Kennedy
 

Hi,

Does anyone know if atguys or some other company will be selling the new Cerence vocalizer deep AI voices for NVDA? Nextup sells them for their text aloud product and they sound really good. Voices like conversational Zoey sound quite good.

 

Josh

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


Re: Running production build and alpha build concurrently?

Gene
 

You can't have more than one copy installed but you can have an installed copy and a portable version on the same machine. You can have as many portable versions as you want and no installed version if you wish.

The portable versions can't do certtain things, and those limitations apply mostly to Windows 10. But you may be able to check whatever you intend to with the portable version.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: blindgroupsluke@...
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2020 10:57 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Running production build and alpha build concurrently?



I have the latest production version of NVDA installed on my machine but need to install an alpha build to troubleshoot an issue. If I install an alpha build, will it replace my normal install or will I be able to have both versions installed at the same time and choose which I want to run?



Thanks,

Luke