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Re: Japanese and Chinese TTS voices?

Clement Chou
 

The Japanese 1 core voice doesn't acknowledge punctuation. So it
depends on the language. English of course works just fine, go figure.

On 9/12/20, Leslie <soundsofmusic@...> wrote:
Good Grief. Someone was saying the 1 Core voices didn’t pause properly. To
me, this is really funny bescause other voices on real people don’t pause
properly. My 1 Core pauses just fine for me.

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From: Larry Wang
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 11:32 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Japanese and Chinese TTS voices?

You can try XunFei TTS in HKBU addon.

https://www.hkbu.org.hk/en/service/technology/sub-page?page_id=nvda_modules_2020_03

在 2020/9/12 1:21, Clement Chou 写道:
Looking for some new ones to use. The vocalizer ones for both
languages are usable, but don't sound great as others have said about
this tts in general, and the Japanese one especially messes up Kanji
readings quite often. windows 1 core voices are ok, but don't seem to
know how to pause properly... what other voices are people using that
can be purchased and used with nvda?









Re: Japanese and Chinese TTS voices?

Leslie
 

Good Grief.  Someone was saying the 1 Core voices didn’t pause properly.  To me, this is really funny bescause other voices on real people don’t pause properly.  My 1 Core pauses just fine for me.

 

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From: Larry Wang
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 11:32 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Japanese and Chinese TTS voices?

 

You can try XunFei TTS in HKBU addon.

 

https://www.hkbu.org.hk/en/service/technology/sub-page?page_id=nvda_modules_2020_03

 

2020/9/12 1:21, Clement Chou 写道:

> Looking for some new ones to use. The vocalizer ones for both

> languages are usable, but don't sound great as others have said about

> this tts in general, and the Japanese one especially messes up Kanji

> readings quite often. windows 1 core voices are ok, but don't seem to

> know how to pause properly... what other voices are people using that

> can be purchased and used with nvda?

>

 

 

 


Re: Japanese and Chinese TTS voices?

Larry Wang
 

You can try XunFei TTS in HKBU addon.

https://www.hkbu.org.hk/en/service/technology/sub-page?page_id=nvda_modules_2020_03

在 2020/9/12 1:21, Clement Chou 写道:

Looking for some new ones to use. The vocalizer ones for both
languages are usable, but don't sound great as others have said about
this tts in general, and the Japanese one especially messes up Kanji
readings quite often. windows 1 core voices are ok, but don't seem to
know how to pause properly... what other voices are people using that
can be purchased and used with nvda?


Re: nuance cerence neural tts for NVDA?

Leslie
 

Wow, where are you finding all these voices?  I thought I’d heard all the Nuance voices and now here are a whole bunch I’ve never heard.  I have all the main once on my desk reader and I love each one.  My reader is the Optelec clear reader.  I can read books with the voices, but the trouble is the curves in bindings of books.  When the reader takes pictures of those, wrong words and trouble ensue.  I had a chance to download all those voices onto my old computer and NVDA.  My teachers and I worked for a whole month and for some reason, I couldn’t download them onto my computer.  They gave me my money back.  I felt so disappointed I didn’t get them.  Now I have one core voices which are great, but I’d still like to get other voices someday.

 

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From: valiant8086
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 7:40 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nuance cerence neural tts for NVDA?

 

Hi.

 

 

I have to admit that I'm not impressed by these voices. They're too

jerky, even more so than the previous expressive versions. Even the

conversational one is pretty bad about it, though i I like how it allows

the artifacts of her voice to show through, you can actually hear her

vocal artifacts like at one point her voice croaked a little, but it was

clearly the real deal rather than concatenation problems. The built in

google voices on Android are starting to get it right, the male one is

expressive and reasonably smooth while some of the vocal artifacts are

being represented.

 

In my opinion, most of the concatenated voices are not reproducing very

well. They're nearly all jerky, and their intonation is just goofy. And

that goes for everybody. About the only ones who don't screw up the

inflections is the ones that don't actually do much of it to begin with,

Cepstral comes to mind.

 

 

For Nuance, a couple of the later versions of Tom are pretty good, as is

Samantha, but the rest meh.

 

 

Ivona is amazing at not being jerky, but they somehow are difficult to

understand, like they're just muttering along or something although

Sally isn't quite so bad as Joey and the others. I vaguely think the

Alexa voice is based off of one of the Ivona voices but I don't know

that for a fact. She is an incredible voice, but being a female, I

understand very little that she says, significantly reducing the actual

usefulness of the echo devices for me. I do much better using the male

voice for the google home devices. I prefer the one called pink although

it has been a while and that voice may not be called that anymore.

 

 

Out of all voices I still find Eloquence and ESpeak, in that order, to

be the easiest to understand for my hearing. I even have difficulty

understanding DeCtalk. The only DeCtalk voices I really understand well

are the earliest ones like 1.8, and the speechmaster2000 that sounds

vaguely similar to very old DeCtalk. Anything newer has a really odd

artifact where it starts tumbling when it gets to read anything that is

longer than 5 words or so. The syllables get shortened and it stops

anunsiating clearly, which, by the way, is another thing that I dislike

about the Nuance voices they all tend to do that too, one notable

exception is Tom. Apple's Alex voice does this badly although it can be

somewhat reduced by running at a very slow speed. It's like those voices

get distracted with what they are reading and they forget to read out

clearly, and so they just start muttering to themselves. Ivona's voices

did not do that.

 

 

One of my favorite voices that I forgot to mention is the LH True Voice

peter. Very plane, sharp, smooth and consistent the only problem was all

the spelling and the excessive inflection when encountering exclamation

marks. That is one somewhat human sounding voice that I can actually

understand well enough to read emails with.

 

 

The main reason that I use Android is because I can put Eloquence on it.

Using the iPhone with the Alex voice is doable, but tends to be a lot

more stressful just for struggling to understand him. If I'm in a car

there is an even wider gap between them, because I am so good at

understanding Eloquence that I only need bits and pieces to make out

what is being said where other voices I really need to hear everything

very clearly and even that's no guarantee. Of course, ESpeak is also

good enough to use I just hate the sound of it.

 

 

RH voice is getting there, it vaguely reminds me of the above mentioned

LH True voice, but it's too much bass and too little mids and highs.

They're a bit quiet. I don't find myself easily able to read emails with

them yet.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Cheers:

Aaron Spears, AKA Valiant8086 General Partner at Valiant Galaxy Associates "we make (VERY GOOD AUDIOGAMES) for the blind comunity" http://valiantGalaxy.com

 

On 9/11/2020 1:14 PM, Gene wrote:

> The web page where you can read about the voices and find samples is:

> https://nextup.com/cerence/

> Gene

> -----Original Message----- From: Leslie

> Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 9:57 AM

> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

> Subject: Re: [nvda] nuance cerence neural tts for NVDA?

> Sent from Mail for Windows 10

> From: Gene

> Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 7:23 AM

> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

> Subject: Re: [nvda] nuance cerence neural tts for NVDA?

> There is nothing wonderful about those voices.

> Zoey sounds as though she's gargling a little and has stilted inflection.

> She sounds to me as though she is on downers.  The other voice I

> sampled has

> stilted inflection and artifacts as well.  They may be better than the

> Nuance voices that came before, but until these newer synthesizers

> sound as

> good as the Google Assistant or Alexa, or other such very high quality

> speech found in digital assistants, I'll consider them not worth using.

> Gene

> -----Original Message-----

> From: Josh Kennedy

> Where do you find them and how much are they?  I loved the nuance

> voices that I heard before.  I know you don’t like them, Jean, but I’d

> like to hear samples.  I’m one of those people who like to change

> voices every once in a while.  I have many voices on my phone.  They

> add variety as I work.Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 8:39 AM

> To: nvda@groups.io

> Subject: [nvda] nuance cerence neural tts for NVDA?

> Hi,

> Does anyone know if atguys or some other company will be selling the new

> Cerence vocalizer deep AI voices for NVDA? Nextup sells them for their

> text

> aloud product and they sound really good. Voices like conversational Zoey

> sound quite good.

> Josh

> Sent from Mail for Windows 10

>

 

 

 


Re: nuance cerence neural tts for NVDA?

valiant8086
 

Hi.


I have to admit that I'm not impressed by these voices. They're too jerky, even more so than the previous expressive versions. Even the conversational one is pretty bad about it, though i I like how it allows the artifacts of her voice to show through, you can actually hear her vocal artifacts like at one point her voice croaked a little, but it was clearly the real deal rather than concatenation problems. The built in google voices on Android are starting to get it right, the male one is expressive and reasonably smooth while some of the vocal artifacts are being represented.

In my opinion, most of the concatenated voices are not reproducing very well. They're nearly all jerky, and their intonation is just goofy. And that goes for everybody. About the only ones who don't screw up the inflections is the ones that don't actually do much of it to begin with, Cepstral comes to mind.


For Nuance, a couple of the later versions of Tom are pretty good, as is Samantha, but the rest meh.


Ivona is amazing at not being jerky, but they somehow are difficult to understand, like they're just muttering along or something although Sally isn't quite so bad as Joey and the others. I vaguely think the Alexa voice is based off of one of the Ivona voices but I don't know that for a fact. She is an incredible voice, but being a female, I understand very little that she says, significantly reducing the actual usefulness of the echo devices for me. I do much better using the male voice for the google home devices. I prefer the one called pink although it has been a while and that voice may not be called that anymore.


Out of all voices I still find Eloquence and ESpeak, in that order, to be the easiest to understand for my hearing. I even have difficulty understanding DeCtalk. The only DeCtalk voices I really understand well are the earliest ones like 1.8, and the speechmaster2000 that sounds vaguely similar to very old DeCtalk. Anything newer has a really odd artifact where it starts tumbling when it gets to read anything that is longer than 5 words or so. The syllables get shortened and it stops anunsiating clearly, which, by the way, is another thing that I dislike about the Nuance voices they all tend to do that too, one notable exception is Tom. Apple's Alex voice does this badly although it can be somewhat reduced by running at a very slow speed. It's like those voices get distracted with what they are reading and they forget to read out clearly, and so they just start muttering to themselves. Ivona's voices did not do that.


One of my favorite voices that I forgot to mention is the LH True Voice peter. Very plane, sharp, smooth and consistent the only problem was all the spelling and the excessive inflection when encountering exclamation marks. That is one somewhat human sounding voice that I can actually understand well enough to read emails with.


The main reason that I use Android is because I can put Eloquence on it. Using the iPhone with the Alex voice is doable, but tends to be a lot more stressful just for struggling to understand him. If I'm in a car there is an even wider gap between them, because I am so good at understanding Eloquence that I only need bits and pieces to make out what is being said where other voices I really need to hear everything very clearly and even that's no guarantee. Of course, ESpeak is also good enough to use I just hate the sound of it.


RH voice is getting there, it vaguely reminds me of the above mentioned LH True voice, but it's too much bass and too little mids and highs. They're a bit quiet. I don't find myself easily able to read emails with them yet.






Cheers:
Aaron Spears, AKA Valiant8086 General Partner at Valiant Galaxy Associates "we make (VERY GOOD AUDIOGAMES) for the blind comunity" http://valiantGalaxy.com

On 9/11/2020 1:14 PM, Gene wrote:
The web page where you can read about the voices and find samples is:
https://nextup.com/cerence/

Gene
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Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 9:57 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nuance cerence neural tts for NVDA?









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From: Gene
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 7:23 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nuance cerence neural tts for NVDA?





There is nothing wonderful about those voices.

Zoey sounds as though she's gargling a little and has stilted inflection.

She sounds to me as though she is on downers.  The other voice I sampled has

stilted inflection and artifacts as well.  They may be better than the

Nuance voices that came before, but until these newer synthesizers sound as

good as the Google Assistant or Alexa, or other such very high quality

speech found in digital assistants, I'll consider them not worth using.



Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Josh Kennedy

Where do you find them and how much are they?  I loved the nuance voices that I heard before.  I know you don’t like them, Jean, but I’d like to hear samples.  I’m one of those people who like to change voices every once in a while.  I have many voices on my phone.  They add variety as I work.Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 8:39 AM

To: nvda@groups.io

Subject: [nvda] nuance cerence neural tts for NVDA?







Hi,



Does anyone know if atguys or some other company will be selling the new

Cerence vocalizer deep AI voices for NVDA? Nextup sells them for their text

aloud product and they sound really good. Voices like conversational Zoey

sound quite good.







Josh











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Re: Japanese and Chinese TTS voices?

Ben J. Bloomgren
 

I didn’t know that there were any others.

On Sep 11, 2020, at 10:21, Clement Chou <chou.clement@...> wrote:

Looking for some new ones to use. The vocalizer ones for both
languages are usable, but don't sound great as others have said about
this tts in general, and the Japanese one especially messes up Kanji
readings quite often. windows 1 core voices are ok, but don't seem to
know how to pause properly... what other voices are people using that
can be purchased and used with nvda?



Vocalizer trial

Samuel Villa
 

Good afternoon,

I was wondering how I can obtain a trial of Vocalizer for NVDA. If any developers of the project could help me out with this issue, that would be great. Thank you.


Re: Running production build and alpha build concurrently?

Luke Robinett
 

Thanks Gene. Yeah, I ended up installing the alpha build as a portable copy
as not to interfere with the main install and that seemed to work fine.
Thanks for the reply. :)

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2020 9:06 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Running production build and alpha build concurrently?

You can't have more than one copy installed but you can have an installed
copy and a portable version on the same machine. You can have as many
portable versions as you want and no installed version if you wish.

The portable versions can't do certtain things, and those limitations apply
mostly to Windows 10. But you may be able to check whatever you intend to
with the portable version.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: blindgroupsluke@...
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2020 10:57 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Running production build and alpha build concurrently?



I have the latest production version of NVDA installed on my machine but
need to install an alpha build to troubleshoot an issue. If I install an
alpha build, will it replace my normal install or will I be able to have
both versions installed at the same time and choose which I want to run?



Thanks,

Luke


Re: nuance cerence neural tts for NVDA?

Louise Pfau
 

Hi.  I want to clarify that synthesizers like "Vocalizer" and "Eloquence" are paid products when used in conjunction with NVDA.  I've got the "Vocalizer Expressive" voices that came as a series of free downloads for JAWS 16, and I really like them.  I don't think they're listed as available synthesizers for NVDA, even though they're installed on my computer.

Thanks,

Louise


Re: nuance cerence neural tts for NVDA?

Mary Otten
 

Clearly, speech preference is in the ear of the beholder. But I would not pay for any of these voices. I love the idea, and I'd pay for something that made the book-reading experience or even long article reading great. But I don't see where these do any better than other voices I already have access to. And why the heck do they insist on making so few male voices anyway? All 3 U.S. English ones are female. Nuts!


Mary

On 9/11/2020 10:14 AM, Gene wrote:
The web page where you can read about the voices and find samples is:
https://nextup.com/cerence/

Gene
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Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 9:57 AM
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Subject: Re: [nvda] nuance cerence neural tts for NVDA?









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From: Gene
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 7:23 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nuance cerence neural tts for NVDA?





There is nothing wonderful about those voices.

Zoey sounds as though she's gargling a little and has stilted inflection.

She sounds to me as though she is on downers.  The other voice I sampled has

stilted inflection and artifacts as well.  They may be better than the

Nuance voices that came before, but until these newer synthesizers sound as

good as the Google Assistant or Alexa, or other such very high quality

speech found in digital assistants, I'll consider them not worth using.



Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Josh Kennedy

Where do you find them and how much are they?  I loved the nuance voices that I heard before.  I know you don’t like them, Jean, but I’d like to hear samples.  I’m one of those people who like to change voices every once in a while.  I have many voices on my phone.  They add variety as I work.Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 8:39 AM

To: nvda@groups.io

Subject: [nvda] nuance cerence neural tts for NVDA?







Hi,



Does anyone know if atguys or some other company will be selling the new

Cerence vocalizer deep AI voices for NVDA? Nextup sells them for their text

aloud product and they sound really good. Voices like conversational Zoey

sound quite good.







Josh











Sent from Mail for Windows 10























Japanese and Chinese TTS voices?

Clement Chou
 

Looking for some new ones to use. The vocalizer ones for both
languages are usable, but don't sound great as others have said about
this tts in general, and the Japanese one especially messes up Kanji
readings quite often. windows 1 core voices are ok, but don't seem to
know how to pause properly... what other voices are people using that
can be purchased and used with nvda?


Re: nuance cerence neural tts for NVDA?

Gene
 

The web page where you can read about the voices and find samples is:
https://nextup.com/cerence/

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Leslie
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 9:57 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nuance cerence neural tts for NVDA?









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From: Gene
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 7:23 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nuance cerence neural tts for NVDA?





There is nothing wonderful about those voices.

Zoey sounds as though she's gargling a little and has stilted inflection.

She sounds to me as though she is on downers. The other voice I sampled has

stilted inflection and artifacts as well. They may be better than the

Nuance voices that came before, but until these newer synthesizers sound as

good as the Google Assistant or Alexa, or other such very high quality

speech found in digital assistants, I'll consider them not worth using.



Gene

-----Original Message-----

From: Josh Kennedy

Where do you find them and how much are they? I loved the nuance voices that I heard before. I know you don’t like them, Jean, but I’d like to hear samples. I’m one of those people who like to change voices every once in a while. I have many voices on my phone. They add variety as I work.Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 8:39 AM

To: nvda@groups.io

Subject: [nvda] nuance cerence neural tts for NVDA?







Hi,



Does anyone know if atguys or some other company will be selling the new

Cerence vocalizer deep AI voices for NVDA? Nextup sells them for their text

aloud product and they sound really good. Voices like conversational Zoey

sound quite good.







Josh











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Re: FileZilla brings NVDA to a grinding halt

Gene
 

I wonder if you could slow the download speed down and if that would help. I haven't heard of really fast downloads causing the kind of problem you are describing in general, I can't test in FileZilla or elsewhere because I don't have a really fast connection. But if there is some way to slow the download speed, maybe that would solve the problem.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Jesse Farquharson
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 9:36 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] FileZilla brings NVDA to a grinding halt



Hello folks,

I have been trying to do some large folder transfers from FileZilla to my new machine. I noticed this on the old one, but chopped it up to the laughable specs on it. This new machine however is a complete monster, and while I'm trying to do a FileZilla transfer of 20000+ audio files, NVDA grinds to a complete stop. If I try and move around the FileZilla window, I often have to restart NVDA. Can anyone comment on this?

Thanks.


Re: nuance cerence neural tts for NVDA?

Gene
 

There are many without hearing loss who have the same opinion. I'll be curious how people react to the voice samples.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Ron Canazzi
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 9:35 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nuance cerence neural tts for NVDA?

You wrote:
"There is nothing wonderful about those voices.
Zoey sounds as though she's gargling a little and has stilted
inflection. She sounds to me as though she is on ..."
which only goes to show that beauty or in this case audio clarity is in
the eyes/ears of the beholder.

I have seen this kind of disagreement about how wonderful or terrible
voices/synthesizers sound for years and I have come to the conclusion
that every ear hears things differently. With my hearing issues, I
think that the Eloquence synthesizer with the male American English
voices of Glenn and Reed are superior to most out there. There are
those who have voiced vehement disagreement with this analysis: and so
it goes.



On 9/11/2020 10:23 AM, Gene wrote:
There is nothing wonderful about those voices.
Zoey sounds as though she's gargling a little and has stilted inflection. She sounds to me as though she is on downers. The other voice I sampled has stilted inflection and artifacts as well. They may be better than the Nuance voices that came before, but until these newer synthesizers sound as good as the Google Assistant or Alexa, or other such very high quality speech found in digital assistants, I'll consider them not worth using.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Josh Kennedy
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 8:39 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] nuance cerence neural tts for NVDA?



Hi,

Does anyone know if atguys or some other company will be selling the new Cerence vocalizer deep AI voices for NVDA? Nextup sells them for their text aloud product and they sound really good. Voices like conversational Zoey sound quite good.



Josh





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Re: nuance cerence neural tts for NVDA?

Gene
 

Yes, that is my opinion. I haven't followed older voices but I understand why those who like them and use them don't want to lose them.

As I think about it, one reason I expressed myself as I did is because the voices are claimed to be real improvements and I don't think they are significantly better.

Those who regularly use Nuance voices may differ because they are so much more familiar with the voices now widely used as opposed to these. I'll be curious how regular users react to the samples on the page.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Jesse Farquharson
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 9:31 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nuance cerence neural tts for NVDA?



That might be your opinion, and that's perfectly fine. But I'm sure there are others who would welcome the additions. The thing is, most of the Nuance voices NVDA uses haven't been refreshed in quite some time. In fact, since NVDA 2019.3, we have not gained voices, we have lost the ability to use many of them, because they have not been ported to Python 3. Ie DecTalk, SoftVoice, RH Voice and so on and so on.

As crazy as it sounds, there are some, such as myself, who still want to use them. They may be old, but they do have a certain... charm.

The loss of those voices is really what kept me from updating for quite some time. And I'm still a bit sore about it. I wish a greater effort had been taken to bring some of the classics along.


Re: nuance cerence neural tts for NVDA?

Amir
 

OK. Let's see what happens in this regard in the near future. I also like IBM TTS (Watson) and the default Google Neural voice.

Best,
Amir


Re: FileZilla brings NVDA to a grinding halt

 

Have you considered SyncToy?  See: 

Download SyncToy 2.1 from Official Microsoft Download Center


The nice thing is that it should be accessible and it lets you set things up for synchronization that's bidirectional or unidirectional.
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Re: nuance cerence neural tts for NVDA?

Jesse Farquharson
 

I understand the delays aspect of things, for sure. Which is why I wouldn't use it for navigation. If NVAccess were to post a disclaimer somewhere, I'm sure that might help things. Or, different voices could be specified for different use cases, sort of akin to how... dare I say it, JAWS does it.

In terms of the cost, for sure, that could be a definite barrier. However, I'm sure something could be worked out in that regard.


Re: nuance cerence neural tts for NVDA?

Amir
 

But it might be a serious concern -- guess it is indeed. People are complaining about 70-millisecond delays with SAPI 5 voices on NVDA's Github issues page, and these deep-learning voices can generate substantially longer pauses given their online operation. If you throw some paragraphs at them to read longer passages, the delay might be passable, but for navigation, the essence of screen reader use, that will become a headache. What's more, they are not free. You can use them up to a certain point for free, but all of them charge users per a specified number of characters synthesized after that. And the screen reader usage model requires lots of synthesis -- even for typing stuff.

Best,
Amir