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Re: Latest Skype and screen readers

inamuddinInam Uddin
 

I’m very sorry to let you know that I wrote this email on 08/12/2020 and today is 09/19/2020 but Skype has not fixed it yet.

Unfortunately The fixed JAWS script for Skype is not working to my machine too!

With regards from Inamuddin with the Skype ID:

Charlsdarwin1

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2020 5:32 AM
To: Group Moderators
Subject: Re: [nvda] Latest Skype and screen readers

 

Hello. See the skype english list. The jaws scripts have ben fixed. This is a problem with teams as well, and that was already fixed . That will be fixed hopefully in a skype update soon.

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On 12 Aug 2020, at 17:18, Inam Uddin via groups.io wrote:

Respected friends, today I’m very sorry to let you know that with the latest NVDA I cannot use Skype.

The matter of fact is that I’m using Skype 8.63.

As I go to desktop and focus to Skype, it says nothing other than Skype.

With JAWS it is continuously saying Chrome Legacy Windows, but with narrator it is working fine.

Please do something it is a serious issue!

With regards from Inamuddin with the Skype ID:

Charlsdarwin1

 

 

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Re: NVDA and security info

Afik Souffir
 


I think thats why they ask me to come again with my laptop and Braille display, to check that.

If i’ll not work on my laptop, i’ll work on there.
They are very willing to help.
Do i need to install the Braille display driver, or its automatic? 

Sent from my Iphone

On 18 Sep 2020, at 22:10, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@...> wrote:



Well if nvda is ok, your laptop could be the best but companies don't necessarily like you working off of a non company laptop which is not propperly handled.


On 18/09/2020 9:32 pm, Afik Souffir wrote:

 

The customer service manager read about NVDA and said she thinks that’s ok.

As far as I know, there IT department did a security check on the NVDA install file.

But, they said they need to check my laptop and NVDA and decide if I'll work on my laptop or there computer.

 

Afik.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 12:00 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and secuirity info

 

Well, as far as I understand, if their it allows you to securely login to their system, all they need is install your display drivers, nvda and addons you need on the system and thats it in admin mode.

If your laptop, they may just give you remote access but you will still need nvda installed on that system.

That is assuming they don't then say nvda is not secure because it is opensource and then ask you to jaws.

 

 

On 18/09/2020 8:38 pm, Afik Souffir wrote:

 

Hi,

 

Recently I found myself on many interviews for jobs. One of the questions I have to answer is: NVDA can work on secure system?

Such, organazations, companies, and such?

 

I read that the answer is yes, but I would like a clear answer here.

 

One of the companies ask me to go to them again, with my braille display and laptop, so they can check if NVDA is secure, and how I will work, with my laptop or on there.

 

 

Thanks for any answer.

 

Afik.

 


Re: NVDA and security info

 

Well if nvda is ok, your laptop could be the best but companies don't necessarily like you working off of a non company laptop which is not propperly handled.


On 18/09/2020 9:32 pm, Afik Souffir wrote:

 

The customer service manager read about NVDA and said she thinks that’s ok.

As far as I know, there IT department did a security check on the NVDA install file.

But, they said they need to check my laptop and NVDA and decide if I'll work on my laptop or there computer.

 

Afik.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 12:00 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and secuirity info

 

Well, as far as I understand, if their it allows you to securely login to their system, all they need is install your display drivers, nvda and addons you need on the system and thats it in admin mode.

If your laptop, they may just give you remote access but you will still need nvda installed on that system.

That is assuming they don't then say nvda is not secure because it is opensource and then ask you to jaws.

 

 

On 18/09/2020 8:38 pm, Afik Souffir wrote:

 

Hi,

 

Recently I found myself on many interviews for jobs. One of the questions I have to answer is: NVDA can work on secure system?

Such, organazations, companies, and such?

 

I read that the answer is yes, but I would like a clear answer here.

 

One of the companies ask me to go to them again, with my braille display and laptop, so they can check if NVDA is secure, and how I will work, with my laptop or on there.

 

 

Thanks for any answer.

 

Afik.

 


Re: NVDA reading names of selected files in a file list

 

Hi,

Narrator might not be able to do this either.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Janet Brandly
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 10:56 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA reading names of selected files in a file list

 

Hello all,

I was a loyal Window-Eyes user for more than 20 years, but when it was bought out, I didn’t want anything to do with it. That’s when I switched to NVDA. So far I have been very pleased. However, I am disappointed that NVDA cannot perform this basic function. As for the add-on, as others have said, there needs to be some up-to-date supporting documentation. And, when I went to install it yesterday, I got a message indicating that it is not compatible with the newest version of NVDA. For philosophical and financial reasons, I will not use JAWS. Fortunately, at this time, selecting and manipulating files from a list is not something I have to do regularly. I will try some of the work-arounds some have mentioned; perhaps Narrator can do this?

Thanks for the comments and suggestions,

Janet


NVDA reading names of selected files in a file list

Janet Brandly
 

Hello all,

I was a loyal Window-Eyes user for more than 20 years, but when it was bought out, I didn’t want anything to do with it. That’s when I switched to NVDA. So far I have been very pleased. However, I am disappointed that NVDA cannot perform this basic function. As for the add-on, as others have said, there needs to be some up-to-date supporting documentation. And, when I went to install it yesterday, I got a message indicating that it is not compatible with the newest version of NVDA. For philosophical and financial reasons, I will not use JAWS. Fortunately, at this time, selecting and manipulating files from a list is not something I have to do regularly. I will try some of the work-arounds some have mentioned; perhaps Narrator can do this?

Thanks for the comments and suggestions,

Janet


Re: Masked URLs in E-mail messages

Jonathan Milam
 

Thanks, Brian and Gene.  This all makes sense.  I didn’t think there was an easy way to see this info quickly but just wanted to confirm.  I really appreciate it.

Jonathan

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 1:05 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Masked URLs in E-mail messages

 

And, to be perfectly honest, unless you do not trust the source of the message seeing naked URLs is of virtually zero benefit.  And if you do not trust the source of a message, even playing around in it and chancing accidentally activating a URL contained therein is not wise.

The messages I get from entities I routinely do business with all contain click-through links that use text describing what it is you're clicking through to, whether that's a reference page, product, etc.   I never even look at the URLs for those, because the source is trustworthy.

There is the very rare occasion I need to do this, but if push came to shove and I couldn't see it, I'd do what was suggested earlier with copying the link location and pasting it in Notepad or similar.  I just very very seldom have any reason to check links from sources I know to be trustworthy, and if I have even the slightest doubt regarding the source I won't touch the URLs in the e-mail anyway; it goes straight to trash.

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Re: Masked URLs in E-mail messages

 

And, to be perfectly honest, unless you do not trust the source of the message seeing naked URLs is of virtually zero benefit.  And if you do not trust the source of a message, even playing around in it and chancing accidentally activating a URL contained therein is not wise.

The messages I get from entities I routinely do business with all contain click-through links that use text describing what it is you're clicking through to, whether that's a reference page, product, etc.   I never even look at the URLs for those, because the source is trustworthy.

There is the very rare occasion I need to do this, but if push came to shove and I couldn't see it, I'd do what was suggested earlier with copying the link location and pasting it in Notepad or similar.  I just very very seldom have any reason to check links from sources I know to be trustworthy, and if I have even the slightest doubt regarding the source I won't touch the URLs in the e-mail anyway; it goes straight to trash.

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Re: Masked URLs in E-mail messages

Gene
 

I wonder if you can use the JAWS mouseover command to find and move to the line where the address is shown.  But if you are going to do that, you might as well use the context menu with the shortcut key provided, then use the read clipboard command your screen-reader provides.  They are both about as much work.


Gene


On 9/18/2020 11:28 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Fri, Sep 18, 2020 at 12:10 PM, Gene wrote:
Does Outlook have a status line?
-
Having just checked, the answer to that is, "Yes and no."   It certainly has what I'd call a status line to let you know that send-receive is going on, whether filters are applied, whether you're connected to your server and similar.   But when reading messages it's a mouse-over pop-up box that shows the naked URL.

I also have installed the latest NVDA beta and am not certain whether I'm having an issue or not.  I could have sworn when you're reading a message in Outlook that you could use the web browsing shortcuts like U and V to go to unvisited or visited links in a message, but that's not working for me at the moment (but I could be having the proverbial "brain fart" and doing something wrong, too).
 
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A gentleman is one who never hurts anyone's feelings unintentionally.

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Re: Masked URLs in E-mail messages

Gene
 

I just found out something useful if the address appears in the status line of the program you are using and it is in the place where NVDA sees it.  If you issue the read status line command three times, it copies it to the clipboard.  Suppose you want to send someone the underlying link to something in an e-mail.  You can place the link on the clipboard and copy it to a message you are writing that way.


Gene

On 9/18/2020 11:18 AM, Gene via groups.io wrote:

I just tried this in Thunderbird.  Moving the mouse to the link isn't necessary.  Just moving to the link when reading th
e message as HTML or as simple HTML, a safer way to read mail in Thunderbird, causes the status line to show the     underlying link.  I don't know where it might be shown in Windows Live Mail. If it is acdcessible to the screen-reader, it appears to be inconvenient to get to and I didn't see it when I looked using screen review or moving using object navigation.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 10:21 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Masked URLs in E-mail messages

Jonathan,

         What e-mail client are you using.  Generally, when one has focus on click-through text links the status bar at the bottom of the window frame will show the actual naked URL text.  The problem being that it will likely be impossible to maintain focus on both things at once, which is one of the conundrums associated with using a screen reader.


Re: Masked URLs in E-mail messages

 

On Fri, Sep 18, 2020 at 12:10 PM, Gene wrote:
Does Outlook have a status line?
-
Having just checked, the answer to that is, "Yes and no."   It certainly has what I'd call a status line to let you know that send-receive is going on, whether filters are applied, whether you're connected to your server and similar.   But when reading messages it's a mouse-over pop-up box that shows the naked URL.

I also have installed the latest NVDA beta and am not certain whether I'm having an issue or not.  I could have sworn when you're reading a message in Outlook that you could use the web browsing shortcuts like U and V to go to unvisited or visited links in a message, but that's not working for me at the moment (but I could be having the proverbial "brain fart" and doing something wrong, too).
 
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Re: NVDA reading names of selected files in a file list

Gene
 

But since so many add-ons use their own commands, it would be good to include that information somewhere.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Mullins
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 11:02 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Reading names of selected files



Hi Brian

You use the standard NVDA command for “read status bar”, NVDA+End



Cheers

Chris





From: Brian Vogel
Sent: 18 September 2020 16:50
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Reading names of selected files





Rui,

Now the question is, "How does one use the add-on?"

I've got it installed, and I've gone to the NVDA Help Menu, Running Add-Ons Documentation, Add Status Bar Reading and the only thing that's displayed in the browser for help is, "Addon ZExplorer, Allows the correct obtaining of the status bar content." It would be useful to have this documentation give the keystroke or keystrokes and change the title from "Addon ZExplorer" to "Add Status Bar Reading" so that it matches what shows up in the menu structure.

--

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A gentleman is one who never hurts anyone's feelings unintentionally.

~ Oscar Wilde


Re: Masked URLs in E-mail messages

Gene
 

I just tried this in Thunderbird. Moving the mouse to the link isn't necessary. Just moving to the link when reading the message as HTML or as simple HTML, a safer way to read mail in Thunderbird, causes the status line to show the underlying link. I don't know where it might be shown in Windows Live Mail. If it is acdcessible to the screen-reader, it appears to be inconvenient to get to and I didn't see it when I looked using screen review or moving using object navigation.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 10:21 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Masked URLs in E-mail messages

Jonathan,

What e-mail client are you using. Generally, when one has focus on click-through text links the status bar at the bottom of the window frame will show the actual naked URL text. The problem being that it will likely be impossible to maintain focus on both things at once, which is one of the conundrums associated with using a screen reader.

--


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A gentleman is one who never hurts anyone's feelings unintentionally.

~ Oscar Wilde


Re: NVDA reading names of selected files in a file list

 

Chris,

           Thanks very much.

           The documentation still needs to be updated to reflect this since Add-Ons very often don't use the native shortcuts.

           The relatively new feature of having add-ons documentation available within NVDA itself makes it really important that all of them have something substantive that tells you about how to use them.  Very often, that may be a line or two, maybe a couple of paragraphs, but having it there for reference is critical.

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A gentleman is one who never hurts anyone's feelings unintentionally.

          ~ Oscar Wilde

 


Re: Masked URLs in E-mail messages

Gene
 

Does Outlook have a status line? Windows Live Mail doesn't and Thunderbird does. I'll play withit in Thunderbird and see what happens.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 10:21 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Masked URLs in E-mail messages

Jonathan,

What e-mail client are you using. Generally, when one has focus on click-through text links the status bar at the bottom of the window frame will show the actual naked URL text. The problem being that it will likely be impossible to maintain focus on both things at once, which is one of the conundrums associated with using a screen reader.

--


Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041

A gentleman is one who never hurts anyone's feelings unintentionally.

~ Oscar Wilde


Re: whats new in NVDA 20.3 beta 1

Afik Souffir
 


Thanks!

Sent from my Iphone

On 18 Sep 2020, at 19:01, Chris via groups.io <chrismedley@...> wrote:



 

Its where its always been under the nvda menu under help > what’s new

 

From: Afik Souffir
Sent: 18 September 2020 16:44
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] whats new in NVDA 20.3 beta 1

 

 

Hi all,

 

The subject says all.

 

I didn't find any whats new document for this Beta.

 

 

Afik.

 

 


Re: NVDA reading names of selected files in a file list

Rui Fontes
 

Exato!


Rui


Às 16:50 de 18/09/2020, Brian Vogel escreveu:

Rui,

        Now the question is, "How does one use the add-on?"

        I've got it installed, and I've gone to the NVDA Help Menu, Running Add-Ons Documentation, Add Status Bar Reading and the only thing that's displayed in the browser for help is, "Addon ZExplorer, Allows the correct obtaining of the status bar content."   It would be useful to have this documentation give the keystroke or keystrokes and change the title from "Addon ZExplorer" to "Add Status Bar Reading" so that it matches what shows up in the menu structure.

--

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A gentleman is one who never hurts anyone's feelings unintentionally.

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Re: Masked URLs in E-mail messages

Gene
 

It might be possible, but I don't know how difficult it would be. The way a sighted person would usually see the underlying link is to hover the mouse over it. You would need something to perform that function and then to announce the link by checking the part of the screen where it appears and I don't know if it always appears in the same part.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Jonathan Milam
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 10:03 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Masked URLs in E-mail messages

That's correct, Gene. I was hoping that perhaps an add-on or keystroke
might be available that, when the keystroke was pressed, the URL would
appear in such a way as to allow the arrow keys to be used to validate its
legitimacy and Escape would close the dialog. This would eliminate copying
it to the clipboard, switching to a different window, pasting it and then
reading it and then closing that window and returning to the message.

Jonathan

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 10:29 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Masked URLs in E-mail messages

Are you asking how to see the underlying address for something that might
say, for example, click here as a link? If you are on the link and open the
context menu, if your e-mail program has this feature, you will see
something like copy shortcut or copy link location, the wording will vary.
Press enter and the underlying link will be copied to the clipboard.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Jonathan Milam
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 7:59 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Masked URLs in E-mail messages



Hi All,



Is it possible to quickly see a link in an e-mail message that has been
linked within a specific string of text and not just pasted directly into an
e-mail message with NVDA?


Thanks,

Jonathan


Re: NVDA reading names of selected files in a file list

Chris Mullins
 

Hi Brian

You use the standard NVDA command for “read status bar”, NVDA+End

 

Cheers

Chris

 

From: Brian Vogel
Sent: 18 September 2020 16:50
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Reading names of selected files

 

Rui,

        Now the question is, "How does one use the add-on?"

        I've got it installed, and I've gone to the NVDA Help Menu, Running Add-Ons Documentation, Add Status Bar Reading and the only thing that's displayed in the browser for help is, "Addon ZExplorer, Allows the correct obtaining of the status bar content."   It would be useful to have this documentation give the keystroke or keystrokes and change the title from "Addon ZExplorer" to "Add Status Bar Reading" so that it matches what shows up in the menu structure.

--

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A gentleman is one who never hurts anyone's feelings unintentionally.

          ~ Oscar Wilde

 

 


Re: whats new in NVDA 20.3 beta 1

Chris
 

 

Its where its always been under the nvda menu under help > what’s new

 

From: Afik Souffir
Sent: 18 September 2020 16:44
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] whats new in NVDA 20.3 beta 1

 

 

Hi all,

 

The subject says all.

 

I didn't find any whats new document for this Beta.

 

 

Afik.

 

 


Re: NVDA reading names of selected files in a file list

 

Rui,

        Now the question is, "How does one use the add-on?"

        I've got it installed, and I've gone to the NVDA Help Menu, Running Add-Ons Documentation, Add Status Bar Reading and the only thing that's displayed in the browser for help is, "Addon ZExplorer, Allows the correct obtaining of the status bar content."   It would be useful to have this documentation give the keystroke or keystrokes and change the title from "Addon ZExplorer" to "Add Status Bar Reading" so that it matches what shows up in the menu structure.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

A gentleman is one who never hurts anyone's feelings unintentionally.

          ~ Oscar Wilde

 

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