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Re: Thunderbird 78.2.2

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, Gene,


I have my keyboard set to skim mode so all I have to do is press the up arrow and the message is read out. I haven't had to do that too often though because most of the messages are read out once I hit the enter key.


Rosemarie

On 9/18/2020 11:14 PM, Gene wrote:
You shouldn't have to go to the top of the message.  Just press enter to open it, wait a moment, then issue the read to end command.


Gene

On 9/18/2020 11:07 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
I'm having this problem too. I guess the only thing you can do is go to the top of the message and hit insert down-arrow to read it. I don't know of any way to turn off the extra verbage.



On 9/18/2020 5:11 PM, Don H wrote:
Finding that the latest version of Thunderbird works well with NVDA. There is a new little bit of verbage when you open a message in thundervird 78.2.2.  It says property page followed by the time the message was sent. For example before the message is read I hear Property Page 6:53 pm.  Is there a way to avoid this verbage?












Re: Thunderbird 78.2.2

Gene
 

You shouldn't have to go to the top of the message.  Just press enter to open it, wait a moment, then issue the read to end command.


Gene

On 9/18/2020 11:07 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
I'm having this problem too. I guess the only thing you can do is go to the top of the message and hit insert down-arrow to read it. I don't know of any way to turn off the extra verbage.



On 9/18/2020 5:11 PM, Don H wrote:
Finding that the latest version of Thunderbird works well with NVDA. There is a new little bit of verbage when you open a message in thundervird 78.2.2.  It says property page followed by the time the message was sent.  For example before the message is read I hear Property Page 6:53 pm.  Is there a way to avoid this verbage?









Re: Thunderbird 78.2.2

Ron Canazzi
 

Hi Group,

I also have recently installed Thunderbird 78.2.2.0.  It works quite well. I am seeing only one major issue.  When scrolling through messages within a folder (that is without opening any of them,) the from field of the header is read twice.

I see by some posts on this and other lists, that people aren't seeing this but they are seeing other issues.  I wonder if there is some sort of underlying issue in the way in which NVDA handles this update that manifest itself in different ways on different systems depending upon how Thunderbird is configured.

On 9/18/2020 8:11 PM, Don H wrote:
Finding that the latest version of Thunderbird works well with NVDA. There is a new little bit of verbage when you open a message in thundervird 78.2.2.  It says property page followed by the time the message was sent.  For example before the message is read I hear Property Page 6:53 pm.  Is there a way to avoid this verbage?





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Re: Thunderbird 78.2.2

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

I'm having this problem too. I guess the only thing you can do is go to the top of the message and hit insert down-arrow to read it. I don't know of any way to turn off the extra verbage.

On 9/18/2020 5:11 PM, Don H wrote:
Finding that the latest version of Thunderbird works well with NVDA. There is a new little bit of verbage when you open a message in thundervird 78.2.2.  It says property page followed by the time the message was sent.  For example before the message is read I hear Property Page 6:53 pm.  Is there a way to avoid this verbage?






Re: Latest Skype and screen readers

Sarah k Alawami
 

Actually skype is fine under windows. they fixed the issue that had ben effecting skype and teams as of late. If you join the skype english list which you can find on groups.io you can discuss it there.

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Check out my adventures with a shadow machine.

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Our discord is where you will know when we go live on twitch. Feel free to give the channel a follow and see what is up there.

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On 18 Sep 2020, at 20:28, Arlene wrote:

Heavens! Has skype become more and more less accessible?  I don’t use it anymore. I’ve used it with win 7 a little with an earlier version of NVDA.  I haven’t used it since 2015.  I don’t think I want to use it anymore.  I use facetime on the Ipad instead.  No more skype for this grey duck! Lol. 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: inamuddinInam Uddin via groups.io
Sent: September 18, 2020 4:16 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Latest Skype and screen readers

 

I’m very sorry to let you know that I wrote this email on 08/12/2020 and today is 09/19/2020 but Skype has not fixed it yet.

Unfortunately The fixed JAWS script for Skype is not working to my machine too!

With regards from Inamuddin with the Skype ID:

Charlsdarwin1

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2020 5:32 AM
To: Group Moderators
Subject: Re: [nvda] Latest Skype and screen readers

 

Hello. See the skype english list. The jaws scripts have ben fixed. This is a problem with teams as well, and that was already fixed . That will be fixed hopefully in a skype update soon.

--

Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website.

Check out my adventures with a shadow machine.

to subscribe to the feed click here and you can also follow us on twitter

Our discord is where you will know when we go live on twitch. Feel free to give the channel a follow and see what is up there.

For stream archives, products you can buy and more visit my main lbry page and my tffp lbry page You will also be able to buy some of my products and eBooks there.

Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here

On 12 Aug 2020, at 17:18, Inam Uddin via groups.io wrote:

Respected friends, today I’m very sorry to let you know that with the latest NVDA I cannot use Skype.

The matter of fact is that I’m using Skype 8.63.

As I go to desktop and focus to Skype, it says nothing other than Skype.

With JAWS it is continuously saying Chrome Legacy Windows, but with narrator it is working fine.

Please do something it is a serious issue!

With regards from Inamuddin with the Skype ID:

Charlsdarwin1

 

 

                                Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

 

 


Re: Latest Skype and screen readers

Arlene
 

Heavens! Has skype become more and more less accessible?  I don’t use it anymore. I’ve used it with win 7 a little with an earlier version of NVDA.  I haven’t used it since 2015.  I don’t think I want to use it anymore.  I use facetime on the Ipad instead.  No more skype for this grey duck! Lol. 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: inamuddinInam Uddin via groups.io
Sent: September 18, 2020 4:16 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Latest Skype and screen readers

 

I’m very sorry to let you know that I wrote this email on 08/12/2020 and today is 09/19/2020 but Skype has not fixed it yet.

Unfortunately The fixed JAWS script for Skype is not working to my machine too!

With regards from Inamuddin with the Skype ID:

Charlsdarwin1

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2020 5:32 AM
To: Group Moderators
Subject: Re: [nvda] Latest Skype and screen readers

 

Hello. See the skype english list. The jaws scripts have ben fixed. This is a problem with teams as well, and that was already fixed . That will be fixed hopefully in a skype update soon.

--

Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website.

Check out my adventures with a shadow machine.

to subscribe to the feed click here and you can also follow us on twitter

Our discord is where you will know when we go live on twitch. Feel free to give the channel a follow and see what is up there.

For stream archives, products you can buy and more visit my main lbry page and my tffp lbry page You will also be able to buy some of my products and eBooks there.

Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here

On 12 Aug 2020, at 17:18, Inam Uddin via groups.io wrote:

Respected friends, today I’m very sorry to let you know that with the latest NVDA I cannot use Skype.

The matter of fact is that I’m using Skype 8.63.

As I go to desktop and focus to Skype, it says nothing other than Skype.

With JAWS it is continuously saying Chrome Legacy Windows, but with narrator it is working fine.

Please do something it is a serious issue!

With regards from Inamuddin with the Skype ID:

Charlsdarwin1

 

 

                                Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

 

 


Re: Thunderbird 78.2.2

Gene
 

The only way I can stop the time from being displayed in the headers is to not have the date displayed.  You may well have messages organized by date.  I doubt turning this off would work because you said the announcement is heard when you open a message and this affects the headers displayed before you open it.


Gene

On 9/18/2020 8:25 PM, Gene via groups.io wrote:

I don't know why you hear that.  I don't.  Once you open a message, wait a moment, then use the read to end command.  That should cause the message body to be read and interrupt or avoid unnecessary speech or unwanted repetition of one or more headers.


You may be able to stop the field that shows the time a message was sent or received, I'm not sure which, and that might stop the behavior.  I'll play around and see if I can turn it off.


Gene

On 9/18/2020 7:11 PM, Don H wrote:
Finding that the latest version of Thunderbird works well with NVDA. There is a new little bit of verbage when you open a message in thundervird 78.2.2.  It says property page followed by the time the message was sent.  For example before the message is read I hear Property Page 6:53 pm.  Is there a way to avoid this verbage?









Re: Thunderbird 78.2.2

Gene
 

I don't know why you hear that.  I don't.  Once you open a message, wait a moment, then use the read to end command.  That should cause the message body to be read and interrupt or avoid unnecessary speech or unwanted repetition of one or more headers.


You may be able to stop the field that shows the time a message was sent or received, I'm not sure which, and that might stop the behavior.  I'll play around and see if I can turn it off.


Gene

On 9/18/2020 7:11 PM, Don H wrote:
Finding that the latest version of Thunderbird works well with NVDA. There is a new little bit of verbage when you open a message in thundervird 78.2.2.  It says property page followed by the time the message was sent.  For example before the message is read I hear Property Page 6:53 pm.  Is there a way to avoid this verbage?






Thunderbird 78.2.2

Don H
 

Finding that the latest version of Thunderbird works well with NVDA.  There is a new little bit of verbage when you open a message in thundervird 78.2.2.  It says property page followed by the time the message was sent.  For example before the message is read I hear Property Page 6:53 pm.  Is there a way to avoid this verbage?


Re: NVDA and security info

 

Well if its on their system, nvda will have to be installed with admin
permitions, but after that you can modify it and install addons, etc
as you would usually do since its in your user folder.
Now, as for the drivers, any drivers etc for your display will need to
be installed in your account with admin permitions to.
Any big updates to nvda etc will need admin permitions but if they are
willing then you won't have a problem.

On 19/09/2020, Afik Souffir <afik.souffir@outlook.com> wrote:

I think thats why they ask me to come again with my laptop and Braille
display, to check that.

If i’ll not work on my laptop, i’ll work on there.
They are very willing to help.
Do i need to install the Braille display driver, or its automatic?

Sent from my Iphone

On 18 Sep 2020, at 22:10, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@gmail.com> wrote:



Well if nvda is ok, your laptop could be the best but companies don't
necessarily like you working off of a non company laptop which is not
propperly handled.


On 18/09/2020 9:32 pm, Afik Souffir wrote:

The customer service manager read about NVDA and said she thinks that’s ok.
As far as I know, there IT department did a security check on the NVDA
install file.
But, they said they need to check my laptop and NVDA and decide if I'll work
on my laptop or there computer.

Afik.



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
<nvda@nvda.groups.io><mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shaun
Everiss
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 12:00 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and secuirity info


Well, as far as I understand, if their it allows you to securely login to
their system, all they need is install your display drivers, nvda and addons
you need on the system and thats it in admin mode.

If your laptop, they may just give you remote access but you will still need
nvda installed on that system.

That is assuming they don't then say nvda is not secure because it is
opensource and then ask you to jaws.




On 18/09/2020 8:38 pm, Afik Souffir wrote:

Hi,

Recently I found myself on many interviews for jobs. One of the questions I
have to answer is: NVDA can work on secure system?
Such, organazations, companies, and such?

I read that the answer is yes, but I would like a clear answer here.

One of the companies ask me to go to them again, with my braille display and
laptop, so they can check if NVDA is secure, and how I will work, with my
laptop or on there.


Thanks for any answer.

Afik.








Re: Latest Skype and screen readers

inamuddinInam Uddin
 

I’m very sorry to let you know that I wrote this email on 08/12/2020 and today is 09/19/2020 but Skype has not fixed it yet.

Unfortunately The fixed JAWS script for Skype is not working to my machine too!

With regards from Inamuddin with the Skype ID:

Charlsdarwin1

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2020 5:32 AM
To: Group Moderators
Subject: Re: [nvda] Latest Skype and screen readers

 

Hello. See the skype english list. The jaws scripts have ben fixed. This is a problem with teams as well, and that was already fixed . That will be fixed hopefully in a skype update soon.

--

Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website.

Check out my adventures with a shadow machine.

to subscribe to the feed click here and you can also follow us on twitter

Our discord is where you will know when we go live on twitch. Feel free to give the channel a follow and see what is up there.

For stream archives, products you can buy and more visit my main lbry page and my tffp lbry page You will also be able to buy some of my products and eBooks there.

Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here

On 12 Aug 2020, at 17:18, Inam Uddin via groups.io wrote:

Respected friends, today I’m very sorry to let you know that with the latest NVDA I cannot use Skype.

The matter of fact is that I’m using Skype 8.63.

As I go to desktop and focus to Skype, it says nothing other than Skype.

With JAWS it is continuously saying Chrome Legacy Windows, but with narrator it is working fine.

Please do something it is a serious issue!

With regards from Inamuddin with the Skype ID:

Charlsdarwin1

 

 

                                Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

 


Re: NVDA and security info

Afik Souffir
 


I think thats why they ask me to come again with my laptop and Braille display, to check that.

If i’ll not work on my laptop, i’ll work on there.
They are very willing to help.
Do i need to install the Braille display driver, or its automatic? 

Sent from my Iphone

On 18 Sep 2020, at 22:10, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@...> wrote:



Well if nvda is ok, your laptop could be the best but companies don't necessarily like you working off of a non company laptop which is not propperly handled.


On 18/09/2020 9:32 pm, Afik Souffir wrote:

 

The customer service manager read about NVDA and said she thinks that’s ok.

As far as I know, there IT department did a security check on the NVDA install file.

But, they said they need to check my laptop and NVDA and decide if I'll work on my laptop or there computer.

 

Afik.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 12:00 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and secuirity info

 

Well, as far as I understand, if their it allows you to securely login to their system, all they need is install your display drivers, nvda and addons you need on the system and thats it in admin mode.

If your laptop, they may just give you remote access but you will still need nvda installed on that system.

That is assuming they don't then say nvda is not secure because it is opensource and then ask you to jaws.

 

 

On 18/09/2020 8:38 pm, Afik Souffir wrote:

 

Hi,

 

Recently I found myself on many interviews for jobs. One of the questions I have to answer is: NVDA can work on secure system?

Such, organazations, companies, and such?

 

I read that the answer is yes, but I would like a clear answer here.

 

One of the companies ask me to go to them again, with my braille display and laptop, so they can check if NVDA is secure, and how I will work, with my laptop or on there.

 

 

Thanks for any answer.

 

Afik.

 


Re: NVDA and security info

 

Well if nvda is ok, your laptop could be the best but companies don't necessarily like you working off of a non company laptop which is not propperly handled.


On 18/09/2020 9:32 pm, Afik Souffir wrote:

 

The customer service manager read about NVDA and said she thinks that’s ok.

As far as I know, there IT department did a security check on the NVDA install file.

But, they said they need to check my laptop and NVDA and decide if I'll work on my laptop or there computer.

 

Afik.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 12:00 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and secuirity info

 

Well, as far as I understand, if their it allows you to securely login to their system, all they need is install your display drivers, nvda and addons you need on the system and thats it in admin mode.

If your laptop, they may just give you remote access but you will still need nvda installed on that system.

That is assuming they don't then say nvda is not secure because it is opensource and then ask you to jaws.

 

 

On 18/09/2020 8:38 pm, Afik Souffir wrote:

 

Hi,

 

Recently I found myself on many interviews for jobs. One of the questions I have to answer is: NVDA can work on secure system?

Such, organazations, companies, and such?

 

I read that the answer is yes, but I would like a clear answer here.

 

One of the companies ask me to go to them again, with my braille display and laptop, so they can check if NVDA is secure, and how I will work, with my laptop or on there.

 

 

Thanks for any answer.

 

Afik.

 


Re: NVDA reading names of selected files in a file list

 

Hi,

Narrator might not be able to do this either.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Janet Brandly
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 10:56 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA reading names of selected files in a file list

 

Hello all,

I was a loyal Window-Eyes user for more than 20 years, but when it was bought out, I didn’t want anything to do with it. That’s when I switched to NVDA. So far I have been very pleased. However, I am disappointed that NVDA cannot perform this basic function. As for the add-on, as others have said, there needs to be some up-to-date supporting documentation. And, when I went to install it yesterday, I got a message indicating that it is not compatible with the newest version of NVDA. For philosophical and financial reasons, I will not use JAWS. Fortunately, at this time, selecting and manipulating files from a list is not something I have to do regularly. I will try some of the work-arounds some have mentioned; perhaps Narrator can do this?

Thanks for the comments and suggestions,

Janet


NVDA reading names of selected files in a file list

Janet Brandly
 

Hello all,

I was a loyal Window-Eyes user for more than 20 years, but when it was bought out, I didn’t want anything to do with it. That’s when I switched to NVDA. So far I have been very pleased. However, I am disappointed that NVDA cannot perform this basic function. As for the add-on, as others have said, there needs to be some up-to-date supporting documentation. And, when I went to install it yesterday, I got a message indicating that it is not compatible with the newest version of NVDA. For philosophical and financial reasons, I will not use JAWS. Fortunately, at this time, selecting and manipulating files from a list is not something I have to do regularly. I will try some of the work-arounds some have mentioned; perhaps Narrator can do this?

Thanks for the comments and suggestions,

Janet


Re: Masked URLs in E-mail messages

Jonathan Milam
 

Thanks, Brian and Gene.  This all makes sense.  I didn’t think there was an easy way to see this info quickly but just wanted to confirm.  I really appreciate it.

Jonathan

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 1:05 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Masked URLs in E-mail messages

 

And, to be perfectly honest, unless you do not trust the source of the message seeing naked URLs is of virtually zero benefit.  And if you do not trust the source of a message, even playing around in it and chancing accidentally activating a URL contained therein is not wise.

The messages I get from entities I routinely do business with all contain click-through links that use text describing what it is you're clicking through to, whether that's a reference page, product, etc.   I never even look at the URLs for those, because the source is trustworthy.

There is the very rare occasion I need to do this, but if push came to shove and I couldn't see it, I'd do what was suggested earlier with copying the link location and pasting it in Notepad or similar.  I just very very seldom have any reason to check links from sources I know to be trustworthy, and if I have even the slightest doubt regarding the source I won't touch the URLs in the e-mail anyway; it goes straight to trash.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

A gentleman is one who never hurts anyone's feelings unintentionally.

          ~ Oscar Wilde

 


Re: Masked URLs in E-mail messages

 

And, to be perfectly honest, unless you do not trust the source of the message seeing naked URLs is of virtually zero benefit.  And if you do not trust the source of a message, even playing around in it and chancing accidentally activating a URL contained therein is not wise.

The messages I get from entities I routinely do business with all contain click-through links that use text describing what it is you're clicking through to, whether that's a reference page, product, etc.   I never even look at the URLs for those, because the source is trustworthy.

There is the very rare occasion I need to do this, but if push came to shove and I couldn't see it, I'd do what was suggested earlier with copying the link location and pasting it in Notepad or similar.  I just very very seldom have any reason to check links from sources I know to be trustworthy, and if I have even the slightest doubt regarding the source I won't touch the URLs in the e-mail anyway; it goes straight to trash.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

A gentleman is one who never hurts anyone's feelings unintentionally.

          ~ Oscar Wilde

 


Re: Masked URLs in E-mail messages

Gene
 

I wonder if you can use the JAWS mouseover command to find and move to the line where the address is shown.  But if you are going to do that, you might as well use the context menu with the shortcut key provided, then use the read clipboard command your screen-reader provides.  They are both about as much work.


Gene


On 9/18/2020 11:28 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Fri, Sep 18, 2020 at 12:10 PM, Gene wrote:
Does Outlook have a status line?
-
Having just checked, the answer to that is, "Yes and no."   It certainly has what I'd call a status line to let you know that send-receive is going on, whether filters are applied, whether you're connected to your server and similar.   But when reading messages it's a mouse-over pop-up box that shows the naked URL.

I also have installed the latest NVDA beta and am not certain whether I'm having an issue or not.  I could have sworn when you're reading a message in Outlook that you could use the web browsing shortcuts like U and V to go to unvisited or visited links in a message, but that's not working for me at the moment (but I could be having the proverbial "brain fart" and doing something wrong, too).
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

A gentleman is one who never hurts anyone's feelings unintentionally.

          ~ Oscar Wilde

 


Re: Masked URLs in E-mail messages

Gene
 

I just found out something useful if the address appears in the status line of the program you are using and it is in the place where NVDA sees it.  If you issue the read status line command three times, it copies it to the clipboard.  Suppose you want to send someone the underlying link to something in an e-mail.  You can place the link on the clipboard and copy it to a message you are writing that way.


Gene

On 9/18/2020 11:18 AM, Gene via groups.io wrote:

I just tried this in Thunderbird.  Moving the mouse to the link isn't necessary.  Just moving to the link when reading th
e message as HTML or as simple HTML, a safer way to read mail in Thunderbird, causes the status line to show the     underlying link.  I don't know where it might be shown in Windows Live Mail. If it is acdcessible to the screen-reader, it appears to be inconvenient to get to and I didn't see it when I looked using screen review or moving using object navigation.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 10:21 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Masked URLs in E-mail messages

Jonathan,

         What e-mail client are you using.  Generally, when one has focus on click-through text links the status bar at the bottom of the window frame will show the actual naked URL text.  The problem being that it will likely be impossible to maintain focus on both things at once, which is one of the conundrums associated with using a screen reader.


Re: Masked URLs in E-mail messages

 

On Fri, Sep 18, 2020 at 12:10 PM, Gene wrote:
Does Outlook have a status line?
-
Having just checked, the answer to that is, "Yes and no."   It certainly has what I'd call a status line to let you know that send-receive is going on, whether filters are applied, whether you're connected to your server and similar.   But when reading messages it's a mouse-over pop-up box that shows the naked URL.

I also have installed the latest NVDA beta and am not certain whether I'm having an issue or not.  I could have sworn when you're reading a message in Outlook that you could use the web browsing shortcuts like U and V to go to unvisited or visited links in a message, but that's not working for me at the moment (but I could be having the proverbial "brain fart" and doing something wrong, too).
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

A gentleman is one who never hurts anyone's feelings unintentionally.

          ~ Oscar Wilde

 

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