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Accessible windows camera/video editing apps – do they exist?

Luke Robinett <blindgroupsluke@...>
 

I like to make the occasional YouTube video but so far have just relied on the very limited but fully accessible windows camera app. Just wondering if anybody has had any luck with third-party preferably free camera or video editing apps. It would be nice to be able to produce something a bit more professional. Thanks.


Re: Navigating to a specific link when there are many on a webpage

Luke Robinett <blindgroupsluke@...>
 

Well, it turns out I’ve been studying python and have wanted to get started authoring my first NVDA add-on. Maybe this would be a candidate for a good first project. Basically I’m thinking you could bind a custom hotkey to a link or control on a page that you want to be able to jump directly to. Thoughts on something like this?

On Sep 18, 2020, at 8:24 AM, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

On Fri, Sep 18, 2020 at 10:02 AM, Andy Jobben wrote:
I cant use the V because i sometimes use the other as well.
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Unless you are actually visiting many links on this page, even doing a brute force traversal only of the links you've visited is faster than tabbing.  If you've only visited a few links on the page, and generally only visit a few, using a couple of hits of the V visited link command can be even faster than using screen reader find for pages you revisit on a frequent basis.

But for any page that you're new to, or newish to, using either regular browser find, screen reader find, or both is far more efficient.
 
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Re: Masked URLs in E-mail messages

Dzhovani
 

Actually, I can. Unless there is type of links that I've never met so far. NVDA+numpad5 would say "click here". NVDA+numpad8 for going down the object tree would say "click here, https://example.com/some-path-here". Works in Thunderbird and Firefox.


Re: An inconvenience in Thunderbird

Gene
 

This may be such an isolated instance that it isn't worth worrying about.  The spellchecker has shortcut letters, the options page, which mimics a dialog in many places, has shortcut letters in a lot of places that mimic dialog fields.  I don't know if it does in all. 


Those more familiar with the details of the program may know if this is a very rare instance or if there are more places where this occurs.


Gene

On 9/19/2020 12:03 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
Gene,

           It is my general understanding that the letter underlines, be they in a menu, set of buttons, or similar are what the program exposes to the screen reader.  If the program itself isn't set up to pass this information to the screen reader, there's nothing the screen reader can announce (and, no, I won't even consider the very old "screen scraping" method of getting things as I don't know that any modern screen reader employs this mechanism).

           But I get the same result with NVDA that you do, in that the S for Save and the D for Discard are shown on those buttons with underlines yet there is no, "Save button, ALT+S" or "Discard changes button, ALT+D" announcements when you're on them, just the button names.

           This could be an NVDA issue, or it could be that Thunderbird is doing something peculiar with what it exposes, or doesn't expose, to NVDA.  But that would be for the respective developers to work out between themselves.  All an end user can know is that this is a problem, but you can't be 100% certain where the root cause lies.

            I have no idea how common or uncommon this might be.
           
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Re: An inconvenience in Thunderbird

 

Gene,

           It is my general understanding that the letter underlines, be they in a menu, set of buttons, or similar are what the program exposes to the screen reader.  If the program itself isn't set up to pass this information to the screen reader, there's nothing the screen reader can announce (and, no, I won't even consider the very old "screen scraping" method of getting things as I don't know that any modern screen reader employs this mechanism).

           But I get the same result with NVDA that you do, in that the S for Save and the D for Discard are shown on those buttons with underlines yet there is no, "Save button, ALT+S" or "Discard changes button, ALT+D" announcements when you're on them, just the button names.

           This could be an NVDA issue, or it could be that Thunderbird is doing something peculiar with what it exposes, or doesn't expose, to NVDA.  But that would be for the respective developers to work out between themselves.  All an end user can know is that this is a problem, but you can't be 100% certain where the root cause lies.

            I have no idea how common or uncommon this might be.
           
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An inconvenience in Thunderbird

Gene
 

I've been using Thunderbird more over the last number of days and I realized that some of the dialogs aren't properly structured in the following regard:

When a button is announced, the shortcut letter should be spoken after the button.  In some dialogs, this isn't done.  For example, when you want to discard a message you are writing, a dialog asks you if you want to save or discard it.  The buttons don't speak the short cut letters.  At first, I thought that was because there aren't any.  But experimentation discloses that alt d discards the message.  I haven't tested for save but its probably alt s.


I tried to get NVDA, the program I've been evaluating with, to read the shortcut letter by using the command NVDA key tab when on the button but that didn't cause it to be read.  Evidently, the letters aren't underlined, which, it is my understanding, is the way screen-readers know to announce them in dialogs.


Those who have used the program for a longer time may have a sense of how many dialogs are deficient in this respect.  If the problem is rare, it may not be worth contacting the developers about.  If it is rather common, it would be.


Gene


Re: Thunderbird 78.2.2

Gene
 

That is performing the equivalent action of stopping repetition and causing the message body to be read.  I don't use skim mode and I don't know the specifics of what it reads with different commands.  But you are telling it to read something and that something is all or part of the message body.


Gene

On 9/19/2020 11:10 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
I use NVDA. Yes, I do get some repititions if I press enter but if I press the up arrow key after pressing enter, I can read the entire message.



On 9/18/2020 11:35 PM, Gene wrote:
Don't you get repetition if you just press enter?  I don't use JAWS but if I press enter and do nothing else, I get a number of repetitions of the subject line.


Gene

On 9/19/2020 1:17 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Hi, Gene,


I have my keyboard set to skim mode so all I have to do is press the up arrow and the message is read out. I haven't had to do that too often though because most of the messages are read out once I hit the enter key.


Rosemarie



On 9/18/2020 11:14 PM, Gene wrote:
You shouldn't have to go to the top of the message.  Just press enter to open it, wait a moment, then issue the read to end command.


Gene

On 9/18/2020 11:07 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
I'm having this problem too. I guess the only thing you can do is go to the top of the message and hit insert down-arrow to read it. I don't know of any way to turn off the extra verbage.



On 9/18/2020 5:11 PM, Don H wrote:
Finding that the latest version of Thunderbird works well with NVDA. There is a new little bit of verbage when you open a message in thundervird 78.2.2. It says property page followed by the time the message was sent. For example before the message is read I hear Property Page 6:53 pm.  Is there a way to avoid this verbage?





















Re: Thunderbird 78.2.2

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

I use NVDA. Yes, I do get some repititions if I press enter but if I press the up arrow key after pressing enter, I can read the entire message.

On 9/18/2020 11:35 PM, Gene wrote:
Don't you get repetition if you just press enter?  I don't use JAWS but if I press enter and do nothing else, I get a number of repetitions of the subject line.


Gene

On 9/19/2020 1:17 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Hi, Gene,


I have my keyboard set to skim mode so all I have to do is press the up arrow and the message is read out. I haven't had to do that too often though because most of the messages are read out once I hit the enter key.


Rosemarie



On 9/18/2020 11:14 PM, Gene wrote:
You shouldn't have to go to the top of the message.  Just press enter to open it, wait a moment, then issue the read to end command.


Gene

On 9/18/2020 11:07 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
I'm having this problem too. I guess the only thing you can do is go to the top of the message and hit insert down-arrow to read it. I don't know of any way to turn off the extra verbage.



On 9/18/2020 5:11 PM, Don H wrote:
Finding that the latest version of Thunderbird works well with NVDA. There is a new little bit of verbage when you open a message in thundervird 78.2.2. It says property page followed by the time the message was sent. For example before the message is read I hear Property Page 6:53 pm.  Is there a way to avoid this verbage?


















Re: Masked URLs in E-mail messages

Gene
 

You can do that if the links are written out.  You can't if the links say something like click here.


Gene

On 9/19/2020 4:43 AM, Dzhovani wrote:
Hi,
the way I check those things is to use the object navigation. Focus the link, nvda+numpad8, nvda+numpad5 three times to copy the text if the link is too complicated and followup paste in notepad to inspect it more closely.
Works in Thunderbird, haven't checked it elsewhere. Also, you can try to check the mail in plain text and it might show you the href as well.
HTH,
Dzhovani


Re: Edge and/or NVDA crashes

Denis Sariyannis
 

In Chrome I can see that the browser window freezes. NVDA keeps running. But I think that it must have something to do with the combination of NVDA and Chromium or something like that. The normal view of Gmail is something that probably many people use with Chrome. ;)

Am Sa., 19. Sept. 2020 um 12:30 Uhr schrieb Denis Sariyannis via groups.io <denis.sariyannis=gmail.com@groups.io>:

It does not happen with Firefox. I'm going to test it with Chrome.

Von meinem iPhone gesendet

Am 19.09.2020 um 12:24 schrieb Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...>:



Hi,

Does this happen with other browsers, say Chrome?

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Denis Sariyannis
Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2020 3:09 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Edge and/or NVDA crashes

 

Hi all,

when I work with edit fields or combo boxes in Edge NVDA or Edge often crashes. I'm not sure which of the programs causes the issue. NVDA is just silent when it happens.

Sometimes I can restart NVDA by pressing a shortcut I set up and then it works again. But it also can happen that NVDA does not restart. Then it usually helps to start and close Narrator (CTRL+WINDOWS+ENTER) and that seems to help NVDA to speak again.

Mostly I'm experiencing these crashes when I'm writing a mail on gmail.com or when I'm uploading tracks on Soundcloud.

While writing this message, I had to restart NVDA six times cause it stopped working.

I use Windows 10, latest stable version of Edge and NVDA 2020.2.

Does anyone know what the reason could be? It is not nice! :)

 

Best

Denis

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Re: Latest Skype and screen readers

Chris Mullins
 

Hi

I’m using Skype 8.64 with NVDA.  When Skype first opens, it just announces “Skype” but all I do is press the alt key to open the menu bar, go to the view menu and arrow down to “toggle full screen” and press enter.

 

Cheers

Chris  

 

From: inamuddinInam Uddin via groups.io
Sent: 19 September 2020 00:16
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Latest Skype and screen readers

 

I’m very sorry to let you know that I wrote this email on 08/12/2020 and today is 09/19/2020 but Skype has not fixed it yet.

Unfortunately The fixed JAWS script for Skype is not working to my machine too!

With regards from Inamuddin with the Skype ID:

Charlsdarwin1

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2020 5:32 AM
To: Group Moderators
Subject: Re: [nvda] Latest Skype and screen readers

 

Hello. See the skype english list. The jaws scripts have ben fixed. This is a problem with teams as well, and that was already fixed . That will be fixed hopefully in a skype update soon.

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On 12 Aug 2020, at 17:18, Inam Uddin via groups.io wrote:

Respected friends, today I’m very sorry to let you know that with the latest NVDA I cannot use Skype.

The matter of fact is that I’m using Skype 8.63.

As I go to desktop and focus to Skype, it says nothing other than Skype.

With JAWS it is continuously saying Chrome Legacy Windows, but with narrator it is working fine.

Please do something it is a serious issue!

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Re: Edge and/or NVDA crashes

Denis Sariyannis
 

It does not happen with Firefox. I'm going to test it with Chrome.

Von meinem iPhone gesendet

Am 19.09.2020 um 12:24 schrieb Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...>:



Hi,

Does this happen with other browsers, say Chrome?

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Denis Sariyannis
Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2020 3:09 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Edge and/or NVDA crashes

 

Hi all,

when I work with edit fields or combo boxes in Edge NVDA or Edge often crashes. I'm not sure which of the programs causes the issue. NVDA is just silent when it happens.

Sometimes I can restart NVDA by pressing a shortcut I set up and then it works again. But it also can happen that NVDA does not restart. Then it usually helps to start and close Narrator (CTRL+WINDOWS+ENTER) and that seems to help NVDA to speak again.

Mostly I'm experiencing these crashes when I'm writing a mail on gmail.com or when I'm uploading tracks on Soundcloud.

While writing this message, I had to restart NVDA six times cause it stopped working.

I use Windows 10, latest stable version of Edge and NVDA 2020.2.

Does anyone know what the reason could be? It is not nice! :)

 

Best

Denis

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Re: Edge and/or NVDA crashes

 

Hi,

Does this happen with other browsers, say Chrome?

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Denis Sariyannis
Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2020 3:09 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Edge and/or NVDA crashes

 

Hi all,

when I work with edit fields or combo boxes in Edge NVDA or Edge often crashes. I'm not sure which of the programs causes the issue. NVDA is just silent when it happens.

Sometimes I can restart NVDA by pressing a shortcut I set up and then it works again. But it also can happen that NVDA does not restart. Then it usually helps to start and close Narrator (CTRL+WINDOWS+ENTER) and that seems to help NVDA to speak again.

Mostly I'm experiencing these crashes when I'm writing a mail on gmail.com or when I'm uploading tracks on Soundcloud.

While writing this message, I had to restart NVDA six times cause it stopped working.

I use Windows 10, latest stable version of Edge and NVDA 2020.2.

Does anyone know what the reason could be? It is not nice! :)

 

Best

Denis

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Edge and/or NVDA crashes

Denis Sariyannis
 

Hi all,
when I work with edit fields or combo boxes in Edge NVDA or Edge often crashes. I'm not sure which of the programs causes the issue. NVDA is just silent when it happens.
Sometimes I can restart NVDA by pressing a shortcut I set up and then it works again. But it also can happen that NVDA does not restart. Then it usually helps to start and close Narrator (CTRL+WINDOWS+ENTER) and that seems to help NVDA to speak again.
Mostly I'm experiencing these crashes when I'm writing a mail on gmail.com or when I'm uploading tracks on Soundcloud.
While writing this message, I had to restart NVDA six times cause it stopped working.
I use Windows 10, latest stable version of Edge and NVDA 2020.2.
Does anyone know what the reason could be? It is not nice! :)

Best
Denis
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Mobile: +49 176 66830900


Re: Masked URLs in E-mail messages

Dzhovani
 

Hi,
the way I check those things is to use the object navigation. Focus the link, nvda+numpad8, nvda+numpad5 three times to copy the text if the link is too complicated and followup paste in notepad to inspect it more closely.
Works in Thunderbird, haven't checked it elsewhere. Also, you can try to check the mail in plain text and it might show you the href as well.
HTH,
Dzhovani


Re: Thunderbird 78.2.2

Gene
 

Don't you get repetition if you just press enter?  I don't use JAWS but if I press enter and do nothing else, I get a number of repetitions of the subject line.


Gene

On 9/19/2020 1:17 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Hi, Gene,


I have my keyboard set to skim mode so all I have to do is press the up arrow and the message is read out. I haven't had to do that too often though because most of the messages are read out once I hit the enter key.


Rosemarie



On 9/18/2020 11:14 PM, Gene wrote:
You shouldn't have to go to the top of the message.  Just press enter to open it, wait a moment, then issue the read to end command.


Gene

On 9/18/2020 11:07 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
I'm having this problem too. I guess the only thing you can do is go to the top of the message and hit insert down-arrow to read it. I don't know of any way to turn off the extra verbage.



On 9/18/2020 5:11 PM, Don H wrote:
Finding that the latest version of Thunderbird works well with NVDA. There is a new little bit of verbage when you open a message in thundervird 78.2.2. It says property page followed by the time the message was sent. For example before the message is read I hear Property Page 6:53 pm.  Is there a way to avoid this verbage?















Re: Thunderbird 78.2.2

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, Gene,


I have my keyboard set to skim mode so all I have to do is press the up arrow and the message is read out. I haven't had to do that too often though because most of the messages are read out once I hit the enter key.


Rosemarie

On 9/18/2020 11:14 PM, Gene wrote:
You shouldn't have to go to the top of the message.  Just press enter to open it, wait a moment, then issue the read to end command.


Gene

On 9/18/2020 11:07 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
I'm having this problem too. I guess the only thing you can do is go to the top of the message and hit insert down-arrow to read it. I don't know of any way to turn off the extra verbage.



On 9/18/2020 5:11 PM, Don H wrote:
Finding that the latest version of Thunderbird works well with NVDA. There is a new little bit of verbage when you open a message in thundervird 78.2.2.  It says property page followed by the time the message was sent. For example before the message is read I hear Property Page 6:53 pm.  Is there a way to avoid this verbage?












Re: Thunderbird 78.2.2

Gene
 

You shouldn't have to go to the top of the message.  Just press enter to open it, wait a moment, then issue the read to end command.


Gene

On 9/18/2020 11:07 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
I'm having this problem too. I guess the only thing you can do is go to the top of the message and hit insert down-arrow to read it. I don't know of any way to turn off the extra verbage.



On 9/18/2020 5:11 PM, Don H wrote:
Finding that the latest version of Thunderbird works well with NVDA. There is a new little bit of verbage when you open a message in thundervird 78.2.2.  It says property page followed by the time the message was sent.  For example before the message is read I hear Property Page 6:53 pm.  Is there a way to avoid this verbage?









Re: Thunderbird 78.2.2

Ron Canazzi
 

Hi Group,

I also have recently installed Thunderbird 78.2.2.0.  It works quite well. I am seeing only one major issue.  When scrolling through messages within a folder (that is without opening any of them,) the from field of the header is read twice.

I see by some posts on this and other lists, that people aren't seeing this but they are seeing other issues.  I wonder if there is some sort of underlying issue in the way in which NVDA handles this update that manifest itself in different ways on different systems depending upon how Thunderbird is configured.

On 9/18/2020 8:11 PM, Don H wrote:
Finding that the latest version of Thunderbird works well with NVDA. There is a new little bit of verbage when you open a message in thundervird 78.2.2.  It says property page followed by the time the message was sent.  For example before the message is read I hear Property Page 6:53 pm.  Is there a way to avoid this verbage?





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Re: Thunderbird 78.2.2

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

I'm having this problem too. I guess the only thing you can do is go to the top of the message and hit insert down-arrow to read it. I don't know of any way to turn off the extra verbage.

On 9/18/2020 5:11 PM, Don H wrote:
Finding that the latest version of Thunderbird works well with NVDA. There is a new little bit of verbage when you open a message in thundervird 78.2.2.  It says property page followed by the time the message was sent.  For example before the message is read I hear Property Page 6:53 pm.  Is there a way to avoid this verbage?





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