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Re: firefox and waterfox issues.

 

Hmmm what synth do you suggest I try.

I do like espeak for what it is.

Technically I guess I could add a dictionary entry, but I really want to add a context sensitive one.

On 26/09/2020 7:52 pm, Gene wrote:
If you try different synthesizers, you may find something more or less like what you are looking for.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2020 2:50 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] firefox and waterfox issues.

Hi jean, what I really want is for something to read the prices with the
points in even if they use the coma, but I suppose thats not an option.

I know in math some write with coma instead of the standard full stop
for a decimal to denote large numbers.

The issue is not how its written but that nvda doesn't recognise this in
the way its handled as anything bar a coma in this case its actually a
decimal.



On 26/09/2020 6:43 pm, Gene wrote:
I don't know what accounts for the difference in how it is read.  but you may be able to work around the problem by setting punctuation to all. then you will have the annoyance of hearing all sorts of punctuation but it may be preferable to hearing numbers misread.

Or you can change the reading of commas to the most or some level.  That way, you will hear them spoken without hearing a lot of other punctuation.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2020 1:09 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] firefox and waterfox issues.

ok, in firefox, something which is say 140 dollars and 21 cents is
140.21

This is fine, in some places on the net they use the coma and not the
full stop char.

now 140,21 in waterfox/firefox is read out as you would expect.

in chrome its 14021.

So I have often found things costing 500000 or something rediculous when
they can be 50.00 or 500.00.

This seems to be a bit of an issue.

Now granted its only 1 site, but its a site I use a lot.

I am not sure if there is a plugin to treat in certain cases the coma
being used as a deciman point where numbers are concerned being
converted to a point.

Of course it goes without saying that this is only on displayed items.

When you buy one its converted normally, go figure.

Its my only gripe with chromium brousers.

To be honest, what I may have to do, is run each group of sites in its
own session, followed by forums that have trouble in a multitabbed
environment.

Thats fine but to be honest, even if this doesn't work, I have had to
turn off hardware exceleration, and autoupdates just to get things not
to crash.

If things continue to crash, I will try turning off image auto load and
finally javascript but its getting to the point that I may have to
abandon the entire mozilla family.

I'd really like a brouser I can use with a no frill interface.

That is, something that just brouses, has things like ublock, secured
https, maybe a privacy manager and sound, or if I can't have that,
something like internet explorer but not be internet explorer.

I do like youtube videos so it would need to process some of these
streaming things but heck, if I had a simple brouser to brouse the net
and something else for other things, I am willing to take it.



On 26/09/2020 5:53 pm, Gene wrote:
I don't understand your point about how dollar amountsare read.  They are read as I expect and the way differs when I use different symthesizers. Via Voice reads them correctly.  E-Speak reads them incorrectly whatever browser I use.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2020 12:37 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] firefox and waterfox issues.

Hmph.

Well, I am really close to swearing now reading what you just told me.

I have done a little more, adding waterfox to ccleaner and turning off
hardware exceleration.

I have also turned off container tabs and autoupdates but at this point
I am pritty close to bailing.

As for google, my issue is, well go to www.pbtech.co.nz and look at how
the prices for things are set.

Look how chromium based brousers say them, look at how waterfox/ firefox
say them.

Now you will understand why I don't care about leaving waterfox or whatever.

Is there such a thing as a brouser with a classic interface I can use or
do I have to soldier on with what I have.

I can do it, I guess but really its really bad.

I could refresh my profile but back a couple versions ago and I just
tried things do spike but not like this.

This is not the medium I really want.



On 26/09/2020 4:17 pm, Hareth wrote:
Same here, Firefox went to the worse it could get.
opening a facebook page became a crash nightmare with it.
About the chrome navigating history entries, Man if that's not one of
the biggest NVDA and crome accessibility shortcomings.
I have to quit NVDA, start JAWS, open the jaws find feature and put
"yes" for yesterday ETC, in the edit field and it finds the entries
there pretty well.
I couldn't make NVDA do the same .
On 9/26/20, Gene <gsasner@gmail.com> wrote:

Of course, it may be something else. I don't have the technical knowledge
to do more than guess.

Aside from that, I don't see anything cluttered about the Chrome interface.

Browsing is browsing when you are using Browse mode or the Virtual PC
Cursor, different names for the same thing.  The interface is different but

the only place where I find that an annoyance is when working with history.

and I still haven't found a way to go back more than about a day in Chrome
history.  I wonder if there is some sort of inaccessible scroll icon.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2020 9:22 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] firefox and waterfox issues.

Yeah, its starting to become a thing I am jumping towards to.
Since firefox and waterfox share some features well that makes sence.
I have downgraded to 2020.8.1, but even in the 08x series the system
has been running hot with the brouser active so there could be a leak
going on.
I like classic waterfox because of its uncluttered nature, but if the
makers of this thing refuse to acknowledge that its a problem on their
end, then I am going to have to abandon noscript 5, and try to use
chrome, edge, brave or something.
I'd ideally like a firefox like classic brouser.
What I may have to do is switch back and fforth.
Right now I am running an older waterfox classic which does what I
need it to do but yeah, I am starting to get that to.
Its random, sometimes its fine then sometimes its not.
It can happen quickly or it can well happen later on and randomly.
Taking into account that I have at least 1 site I use for work which
is known to be slow and a lot slower now because it just is who knows.
Its only happening if I load several things in the same tab, any new
tabs are not effected.
At first I thought it was java or  malware but its getting to crazy
now, worse its even happening on sites like blogspot where I don't
allow any scripts to execute.
I'll give those at waterfox/firefox a little more time to do something
about this but if not I am going to have to switch to chrome for my
day to day work.
Now chrome aint a bad brouser but I like a classic and uncluttered
interface.
Bar the addons from electronic frontier, privacy, badger, and https
everywhere, as well as ublock, the only addon I need is the old
navigation sounds and accessible noscript addon and heck I probably
could do without that but I like control.
Point is I can't go on like this.
I have allready done a hardreset on my ram modules after a firmware
update caused some issues, and while that has sorted out some stuff,
when this goes it turns nvda into junk.
Mostly narator will come up file and closing the program works fine
but the last time this happened this morning it took out part of nvda
keyboard and I had to reboot nvda manually and then restart windows.
I have struggled through this for the last 3 days now since the update
and am just about through.

On 26/09/2020, Gene <gsasner@gmail.com> wrote:
It sounds like a memory leak problem.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2020 7:58 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] firefox and waterfox issues.

Hi all.

There is an issue on github of both waterfox and nvda about how the
brouser is really flakey in the latest version.

Aparently firefox has the same issues, at first I thought it was just a
couple sites, but now I can be brousing along and it may be blogspot,
github, another site, and things will become unresponsive.

I thought I'd fixed it this morning but no I hadn't.

If you open sites each in a new tab things do not crash but eventually
if you open things in the same window things will crash and become
unresponsive.

This never happened on the previous waterfox version but if its
happening in firefox as well as waterfox classic then there is a problem.

I like classic waterfox for what it is but if its going to do this sort
of thing I may have to use chrome and hope it doesn't do this.

I don't like what chrome does to some number conversions in sites like
pbtech.co.nz as they don't read decimals right because how the numbers
and such on the site are done but well things just seem to be well doing
bad things right now.

Interested to get to the bottem of this.

thanks.

Shaun.











































Re: firefox and waterfox issues.

Gene
 

If you try different synthesizers, you may find something more or less like what you are looking for.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2020 2:50 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] firefox and waterfox issues.

Hi jean, what I really want is for something to read the prices with the
points in even if they use the coma, but I suppose thats not an option.

I know in math some write with coma instead of the standard full stop
for a decimal to denote large numbers.

The issue is not how its written but that nvda doesn't recognise this in
the way its handled as anything bar a coma in this case its actually a
decimal.



On 26/09/2020 6:43 pm, Gene wrote:
I don't know what accounts for the difference in how it is read. but you may be able to work around the problem by setting punctuation to all. then you will have the annoyance of hearing all sorts of punctuation but it may be preferable to hearing numbers misread.

Or you can change the reading of commas to the most or some level. That way, you will hear them spoken without hearing a lot of other punctuation.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2020 1:09 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] firefox and waterfox issues.

ok, in firefox, something which is say 140 dollars and 21 cents is
140.21

This is fine, in some places on the net they use the coma and not the
full stop char.

now 140,21 in waterfox/firefox is read out as you would expect.

in chrome its 14021.

So I have often found things costing 500000 or something rediculous when
they can be 50.00 or 500.00.

This seems to be a bit of an issue.

Now granted its only 1 site, but its a site I use a lot.

I am not sure if there is a plugin to treat in certain cases the coma
being used as a deciman point where numbers are concerned being
converted to a point.

Of course it goes without saying that this is only on displayed items.

When you buy one its converted normally, go figure.

Its my only gripe with chromium brousers.

To be honest, what I may have to do, is run each group of sites in its
own session, followed by forums that have trouble in a multitabbed
environment.

Thats fine but to be honest, even if this doesn't work, I have had to
turn off hardware exceleration, and autoupdates just to get things not
to crash.

If things continue to crash, I will try turning off image auto load and
finally javascript but its getting to the point that I may have to
abandon the entire mozilla family.

I'd really like a brouser I can use with a no frill interface.

That is, something that just brouses, has things like ublock, secured
https, maybe a privacy manager and sound, or if I can't have that,
something like internet explorer but not be internet explorer.

I do like youtube videos so it would need to process some of these
streaming things but heck, if I had a simple brouser to brouse the net
and something else for other things, I am willing to take it.



On 26/09/2020 5:53 pm, Gene wrote:
I don't understand your point about how dollar amountsare read. They are read as I expect and the way differs when I use different symthesizers. Via Voice reads them correctly. E-Speak reads them incorrectly whatever browser I use.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2020 12:37 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] firefox and waterfox issues.

Hmph.

Well, I am really close to swearing now reading what you just told me.

I have done a little more, adding waterfox to ccleaner and turning off
hardware exceleration.

I have also turned off container tabs and autoupdates but at this point
I am pritty close to bailing.

As for google, my issue is, well go to www.pbtech.co.nz and look at how
the prices for things are set.

Look how chromium based brousers say them, look at how waterfox/ firefox
say them.

Now you will understand why I don't care about leaving waterfox or whatever.

Is there such a thing as a brouser with a classic interface I can use or
do I have to soldier on with what I have.

I can do it, I guess but really its really bad.

I could refresh my profile but back a couple versions ago and I just
tried things do spike but not like this.

This is not the medium I really want.



On 26/09/2020 4:17 pm, Hareth wrote:
Same here, Firefox went to the worse it could get.
opening a facebook page became a crash nightmare with it.
About the chrome navigating history entries, Man if that's not one of
the biggest NVDA and crome accessibility shortcomings.
I have to quit NVDA, start JAWS, open the jaws find feature and put
"yes" for yesterday ETC, in the edit field and it finds the entries
there pretty well.
I couldn't make NVDA do the same .
On 9/26/20, Gene <gsasner@gmail.com> wrote:

Of course, it may be something else. I don't have the technical knowledge
to do more than guess.

Aside from that, I don't see anything cluttered about the Chrome interface.

Browsing is browsing when you are using Browse mode or the Virtual PC
Cursor, different names for the same thing. The interface is different but

the only place where I find that an annoyance is when working with history.

and I still haven't found a way to go back more than about a day in Chrome
history. I wonder if there is some sort of inaccessible scroll icon.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2020 9:22 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] firefox and waterfox issues.

Yeah, its starting to become a thing I am jumping towards to.
Since firefox and waterfox share some features well that makes sence.
I have downgraded to 2020.8.1, but even in the 08x series the system
has been running hot with the brouser active so there could be a leak
going on.
I like classic waterfox because of its uncluttered nature, but if the
makers of this thing refuse to acknowledge that its a problem on their
end, then I am going to have to abandon noscript 5, and try to use
chrome, edge, brave or something.
I'd ideally like a firefox like classic brouser.
What I may have to do is switch back and fforth.
Right now I am running an older waterfox classic which does what I
need it to do but yeah, I am starting to get that to.
Its random, sometimes its fine then sometimes its not.
It can happen quickly or it can well happen later on and randomly.
Taking into account that I have at least 1 site I use for work which
is known to be slow and a lot slower now because it just is who knows.
Its only happening if I load several things in the same tab, any new
tabs are not effected.
At first I thought it was java or malware but its getting to crazy
now, worse its even happening on sites like blogspot where I don't
allow any scripts to execute.
I'll give those at waterfox/firefox a little more time to do something
about this but if not I am going to have to switch to chrome for my
day to day work.
Now chrome aint a bad brouser but I like a classic and uncluttered
interface.
Bar the addons from electronic frontier, privacy, badger, and https
everywhere, as well as ublock, the only addon I need is the old
navigation sounds and accessible noscript addon and heck I probably
could do without that but I like control.
Point is I can't go on like this.
I have allready done a hardreset on my ram modules after a firmware
update caused some issues, and while that has sorted out some stuff,
when this goes it turns nvda into junk.
Mostly narator will come up file and closing the program works fine
but the last time this happened this morning it took out part of nvda
keyboard and I had to reboot nvda manually and then restart windows.
I have struggled through this for the last 3 days now since the update
and am just about through.

On 26/09/2020, Gene <gsasner@gmail.com> wrote:
It sounds like a memory leak problem.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2020 7:58 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] firefox and waterfox issues.

Hi all.

There is an issue on github of both waterfox and nvda about how the
brouser is really flakey in the latest version.

Aparently firefox has the same issues, at first I thought it was just a
couple sites, but now I can be brousing along and it may be blogspot,
github, another site, and things will become unresponsive.

I thought I'd fixed it this morning but no I hadn't.

If you open sites each in a new tab things do not crash but eventually
if you open things in the same window things will crash and become
unresponsive.

This never happened on the previous waterfox version but if its
happening in firefox as well as waterfox classic then there is a problem.

I like classic waterfox for what it is but if its going to do this sort
of thing I may have to use chrome and hope it doesn't do this.

I don't like what chrome does to some number conversions in sites like
pbtech.co.nz as they don't read decimals right because how the numbers
and such on the site are done but well things just seem to be well doing
bad things right now.

Interested to get to the bottem of this.

thanks.

Shaun.





































Re: firefox and waterfox issues.

 

Hi jean, what I really want is for something to read the prices with the points in even if they use the coma, but I suppose thats not an option.

I know in math some write with coma instead of the standard full stop for a decimal to denote large numbers.

The issue is not how its written but that nvda doesn't recognise this in the way its handled as anything bar a coma in this case its actually a decimal.

On 26/09/2020 6:43 pm, Gene wrote:
I don't know what accounts for the difference in how it is read.  but you may be able to work around the problem by setting punctuation to all.  then you will have the annoyance of hearing all sorts of punctuation but it may be preferable to hearing numbers misread.

Or you can change the reading of commas to the most or some level.  That way, you will hear them spoken without hearing a lot of other punctuation.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2020 1:09 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] firefox and waterfox issues.

ok, in firefox, something which is say 140 dollars and 21 cents is
140.21

This is fine, in some places on the net they use the coma and not the
full stop char.

now 140,21 in waterfox/firefox is read out as you would expect.

in chrome its 14021.

So I have often found things costing 500000 or something rediculous when
they can be 50.00 or 500.00.

This seems to be a bit of an issue.

Now granted its only 1 site, but its a site I use a lot.

I am not sure if there is a plugin to treat in certain cases the coma
being used as a deciman point where numbers are concerned being
converted to a point.

Of course it goes without saying that this is only on displayed items.

When you buy one its converted normally, go figure.

Its my only gripe with chromium brousers.

To be honest, what I may have to do, is run each group of sites in its
own session, followed by forums that have trouble in a multitabbed
environment.

Thats fine but to be honest, even if this doesn't work, I have had to
turn off hardware exceleration, and autoupdates just to get things not
to crash.

If things continue to crash, I will try turning off image auto load and
finally javascript but its getting to the point that I may have to
abandon the entire mozilla family.

I'd really like a brouser I can use with a no frill interface.

That is, something that just brouses, has things like ublock, secured
https, maybe a privacy manager and sound, or if I can't have that,
something like internet explorer but not be internet explorer.

I do like youtube videos so it would need to process some of these
streaming things but heck, if I had a simple brouser to brouse the net
and something else for other things, I am willing to take it.



On 26/09/2020 5:53 pm, Gene wrote:
I don't understand your point about how dollar amountsare read.  They are read as I expect and the way differs when I use different symthesizers. Via Voice reads them correctly.  E-Speak reads them incorrectly whatever browser I use.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2020 12:37 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] firefox and waterfox issues.

Hmph.

Well, I am really close to swearing now reading what you just told me.

I have done a little more, adding waterfox to ccleaner and turning off
hardware exceleration.

I have also turned off container tabs and autoupdates but at this point
I am pritty close to bailing.

As for google, my issue is, well go to www.pbtech.co.nz and look at how
the prices for things are set.

Look how chromium based brousers say them, look at how waterfox/ firefox
say them.

Now you will understand why I don't care about leaving waterfox or whatever.

Is there such a thing as a brouser with a classic interface I can use or
do I have to soldier on with what I have.

I can do it, I guess but really its really bad.

I could refresh my profile but back a couple versions ago and I just
tried things do spike but not like this.

This is not the medium I really want.



On 26/09/2020 4:17 pm, Hareth wrote:
Same here, Firefox went to the worse it could get.
opening a facebook page became a crash nightmare with it.
About the chrome navigating history entries, Man if that's not one of
the biggest NVDA and crome accessibility shortcomings.
I have to quit NVDA, start JAWS, open the jaws find feature and put
"yes" for yesterday ETC, in the edit field and it finds the entries
there pretty well.
I couldn't make NVDA do the same .
On 9/26/20, Gene <gsasner@gmail.com> wrote:

Of course, it may be something else. I don't have the technical knowledge
to do more than guess.

Aside from that, I don't see anything cluttered about the Chrome interface.

Browsing is browsing when you are using Browse mode or the Virtual PC
Cursor, different names for the same thing.  The interface is different but

the only place where I find that an annoyance is when working with history.

and I still haven't found a way to go back more than about a day in Chrome
history.  I wonder if there is some sort of inaccessible scroll icon.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2020 9:22 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] firefox and waterfox issues.

Yeah, its starting to become a thing I am jumping towards to.
Since firefox and waterfox share some features well that makes sence.
I have downgraded to 2020.8.1, but even in the 08x series the system
has been running hot with the brouser active so there could be a leak
going on.
I like classic waterfox because of its uncluttered nature, but if the
makers of this thing refuse to acknowledge that its a problem on their
end, then I am going to have to abandon noscript 5, and try to use
chrome, edge, brave or something.
I'd ideally like a firefox like classic brouser.
What I may have to do is switch back and fforth.
Right now I am running an older waterfox classic which does what I
need it to do but yeah, I am starting to get that to.
Its random, sometimes its fine then sometimes its not.
It can happen quickly or it can well happen later on and randomly.
Taking into account that I have at least 1 site I use for work which
is known to be slow and a lot slower now because it just is who knows.
Its only happening if I load several things in the same tab, any new
tabs are not effected.
At first I thought it was java or  malware but its getting to crazy
now, worse its even happening on sites like blogspot where I don't
allow any scripts to execute.
I'll give those at waterfox/firefox a little more time to do something
about this but if not I am going to have to switch to chrome for my
day to day work.
Now chrome aint a bad brouser but I like a classic and uncluttered
interface.
Bar the addons from electronic frontier, privacy, badger, and https
everywhere, as well as ublock, the only addon I need is the old
navigation sounds and accessible noscript addon and heck I probably
could do without that but I like control.
Point is I can't go on like this.
I have allready done a hardreset on my ram modules after a firmware
update caused some issues, and while that has sorted out some stuff,
when this goes it turns nvda into junk.
Mostly narator will come up file and closing the program works fine
but the last time this happened this morning it took out part of nvda
keyboard and I had to reboot nvda manually and then restart windows.
I have struggled through this for the last 3 days now since the update
and am just about through.

On 26/09/2020, Gene <gsasner@gmail.com> wrote:
It sounds like a memory leak problem.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2020 7:58 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] firefox and waterfox issues.

Hi all.

There is an issue on github of both waterfox and nvda about how the
brouser is really flakey in the latest version.

Aparently firefox has the same issues, at first I thought it was just a
couple sites, but now I can be brousing along and it may be blogspot,
github, another site, and things will become unresponsive.

I thought I'd fixed it this morning but no I hadn't.

If you open sites each in a new tab things do not crash but eventually
if you open things in the same window things will crash and become
unresponsive.

This never happened on the previous waterfox version but if its
happening in firefox as well as waterfox classic then there is a problem.

I like classic waterfox for what it is but if its going to do this sort
of thing I may have to use chrome and hope it doesn't do this.

I don't like what chrome does to some number conversions in sites like
pbtech.co.nz as they don't read decimals right because how the numbers
and such on the site are done but well things just seem to be well doing
bad things right now.

Interested to get to the bottem of this.

thanks.

Shaun.




































Re: firefox and waterfox issues.

Gene
 

I don't know what accounts for the difference in how it is read. but you may be able to work around the problem by setting punctuation to all. then you will have the annoyance of hearing all sorts of punctuation but it may be preferable to hearing numbers misread.

Or you can change the reading of commas to the most or some level. That way, you will hear them spoken without hearing a lot of other punctuation.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2020 1:09 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] firefox and waterfox issues.

ok, in firefox, something which is say 140 dollars and 21 cents is
140.21

This is fine, in some places on the net they use the coma and not the
full stop char.

now 140,21 in waterfox/firefox is read out as you would expect.

in chrome its 14021.

So I have often found things costing 500000 or something rediculous when
they can be 50.00 or 500.00.

This seems to be a bit of an issue.

Now granted its only 1 site, but its a site I use a lot.

I am not sure if there is a plugin to treat in certain cases the coma
being used as a deciman point where numbers are concerned being
converted to a point.

Of course it goes without saying that this is only on displayed items.

When you buy one its converted normally, go figure.

Its my only gripe with chromium brousers.

To be honest, what I may have to do, is run each group of sites in its
own session, followed by forums that have trouble in a multitabbed
environment.

Thats fine but to be honest, even if this doesn't work, I have had to
turn off hardware exceleration, and autoupdates just to get things not
to crash.

If things continue to crash, I will try turning off image auto load and
finally javascript but its getting to the point that I may have to
abandon the entire mozilla family.

I'd really like a brouser I can use with a no frill interface.

That is, something that just brouses, has things like ublock, secured
https, maybe a privacy manager and sound, or if I can't have that,
something like internet explorer but not be internet explorer.

I do like youtube videos so it would need to process some of these
streaming things but heck, if I had a simple brouser to brouse the net
and something else for other things, I am willing to take it.



On 26/09/2020 5:53 pm, Gene wrote:
I don't understand your point about how dollar amountsare read. They are read as I expect and the way differs when I use different symthesizers. Via Voice reads them correctly. E-Speak reads them incorrectly whatever browser I use.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2020 12:37 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] firefox and waterfox issues.

Hmph.

Well, I am really close to swearing now reading what you just told me.

I have done a little more, adding waterfox to ccleaner and turning off
hardware exceleration.

I have also turned off container tabs and autoupdates but at this point
I am pritty close to bailing.

As for google, my issue is, well go to www.pbtech.co.nz and look at how
the prices for things are set.

Look how chromium based brousers say them, look at how waterfox/ firefox
say them.

Now you will understand why I don't care about leaving waterfox or whatever.

Is there such a thing as a brouser with a classic interface I can use or
do I have to soldier on with what I have.

I can do it, I guess but really its really bad.

I could refresh my profile but back a couple versions ago and I just
tried things do spike but not like this.

This is not the medium I really want.



On 26/09/2020 4:17 pm, Hareth wrote:
Same here, Firefox went to the worse it could get.
opening a facebook page became a crash nightmare with it.
About the chrome navigating history entries, Man if that's not one of
the biggest NVDA and crome accessibility shortcomings.
I have to quit NVDA, start JAWS, open the jaws find feature and put
"yes" for yesterday ETC, in the edit field and it finds the entries
there pretty well.
I couldn't make NVDA do the same .
On 9/26/20, Gene <gsasner@gmail.com> wrote:

Of course, it may be something else. I don't have the technical knowledge
to do more than guess.

Aside from that, I don't see anything cluttered about the Chrome interface.

Browsing is browsing when you are using Browse mode or the Virtual PC
Cursor, different names for the same thing. The interface is different but

the only place where I find that an annoyance is when working with history.

and I still haven't found a way to go back more than about a day in Chrome
history. I wonder if there is some sort of inaccessible scroll icon.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2020 9:22 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] firefox and waterfox issues.

Yeah, its starting to become a thing I am jumping towards to.
Since firefox and waterfox share some features well that makes sence.
I have downgraded to 2020.8.1, but even in the 08x series the system
has been running hot with the brouser active so there could be a leak
going on.
I like classic waterfox because of its uncluttered nature, but if the
makers of this thing refuse to acknowledge that its a problem on their
end, then I am going to have to abandon noscript 5, and try to use
chrome, edge, brave or something.
I'd ideally like a firefox like classic brouser.
What I may have to do is switch back and fforth.
Right now I am running an older waterfox classic which does what I
need it to do but yeah, I am starting to get that to.
Its random, sometimes its fine then sometimes its not.
It can happen quickly or it can well happen later on and randomly.
Taking into account that I have at least 1 site I use for work which
is known to be slow and a lot slower now because it just is who knows.
Its only happening if I load several things in the same tab, any new
tabs are not effected.
At first I thought it was java or malware but its getting to crazy
now, worse its even happening on sites like blogspot where I don't
allow any scripts to execute.
I'll give those at waterfox/firefox a little more time to do something
about this but if not I am going to have to switch to chrome for my
day to day work.
Now chrome aint a bad brouser but I like a classic and uncluttered
interface.
Bar the addons from electronic frontier, privacy, badger, and https
everywhere, as well as ublock, the only addon I need is the old
navigation sounds and accessible noscript addon and heck I probably
could do without that but I like control.
Point is I can't go on like this.
I have allready done a hardreset on my ram modules after a firmware
update caused some issues, and while that has sorted out some stuff,
when this goes it turns nvda into junk.
Mostly narator will come up file and closing the program works fine
but the last time this happened this morning it took out part of nvda
keyboard and I had to reboot nvda manually and then restart windows.
I have struggled through this for the last 3 days now since the update
and am just about through.

On 26/09/2020, Gene <gsasner@gmail.com> wrote:
It sounds like a memory leak problem.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2020 7:58 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] firefox and waterfox issues.

Hi all.

There is an issue on github of both waterfox and nvda about how the
brouser is really flakey in the latest version.

Aparently firefox has the same issues, at first I thought it was just a
couple sites, but now I can be brousing along and it may be blogspot,
github, another site, and things will become unresponsive.

I thought I'd fixed it this morning but no I hadn't.

If you open sites each in a new tab things do not crash but eventually
if you open things in the same window things will crash and become
unresponsive.

This never happened on the previous waterfox version but if its
happening in firefox as well as waterfox classic then there is a problem.

I like classic waterfox for what it is but if its going to do this sort
of thing I may have to use chrome and hope it doesn't do this.

I don't like what chrome does to some number conversions in sites like
pbtech.co.nz as they don't read decimals right because how the numbers
and such on the site are done but well things just seem to be well doing
bad things right now.

Interested to get to the bottem of this.

thanks.

Shaun.






























Re: firefox and waterfox issues.

 

ok, in firefox, something which is say 140 dollars and 21 cents is     140.21

This is fine, in some places on the net they use the coma and not the full stop char.

now 140,21 in waterfox/firefox is read out as you would expect.

in chrome its 14021.

So I have often found things costing 500000 or something rediculous when they can be 50.00 or 500.00.

This seems to be a bit of an issue.

Now granted its only 1 site, but its a site I use a lot.

I am not sure if there is a plugin to treat in certain cases the coma being used as a deciman point where numbers are concerned being converted to a point.

Of course it goes without saying that this is only on displayed items.

When you buy one its converted normally, go figure.

Its my only gripe with chromium brousers.

To be honest, what I may have to do, is run each group of sites in its own session, followed by forums that have trouble in a multitabbed environment.

Thats fine but to be honest, even if this doesn't work, I have had to turn off hardware exceleration, and autoupdates just to get things not to crash.

If things continue to crash, I will try turning off image auto load and finally javascript but its getting to the point that I may have to abandon the entire mozilla family.

I'd really like a brouser I can use with a no frill interface.

That is, something that just brouses, has things like ublock, secured https, maybe a privacy manager and sound, or if I can't have that, something like internet explorer but not be internet explorer.

I do like youtube videos so it would need to process some of these streaming things but heck, if I had a simple brouser to brouse the net and something else for other things, I am willing to take it.

On 26/09/2020 5:53 pm, Gene wrote:
I don't understand your point about how dollar amountsare read.  They are read as I expect and the way differs when I use different symthesizers.  Via Voice reads them correctly.  E-Speak reads them incorrectly whatever browser I use.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2020 12:37 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] firefox and waterfox issues.

Hmph.

Well, I am really close to swearing now reading what you just told me.

I have done a little more, adding waterfox to ccleaner and turning off
hardware exceleration.

I have also turned off container tabs and autoupdates but at this point
I am pritty close to bailing.

As for google, my issue is, well go to www.pbtech.co.nz and look at how
the prices for things are set.

Look how chromium based brousers say them, look at how waterfox/ firefox
say them.

Now you will understand why I don't care about leaving waterfox or whatever.

Is there such a thing as a brouser with a classic interface I can use or
do I have to soldier on with what I have.

I can do it, I guess but really its really bad.

I could refresh my profile but back a couple versions ago and I just
tried things do spike but not like this.

This is not the medium I really want.



On 26/09/2020 4:17 pm, Hareth wrote:
Same here, Firefox went to the worse it could get.
opening a facebook page became a crash nightmare with it.
About the chrome navigating history entries, Man if that's not one of
the biggest NVDA and crome accessibility shortcomings.
I have to quit NVDA, start JAWS, open the jaws find feature and put
"yes" for yesterday ETC, in the edit field and it finds the entries
there pretty well.
I couldn't make NVDA do the same .
On 9/26/20, Gene <gsasner@gmail.com> wrote:

Of course, it may be something else.  I don't have the technical knowledge
to do more than guess.

Aside from that, I don't see anything cluttered about the Chrome interface.

Browsing is browsing when you are using Browse mode or the Virtual PC
Cursor, different names for the same thing.  The interface is different but

the only place where I find that an annoyance is when working with history.

and I still haven't found a way to go back more than about a day in Chrome
history.  I wonder if there is some sort of inaccessible scroll icon.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2020 9:22 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] firefox and waterfox issues.

Yeah, its starting to become a thing I am jumping towards to.
Since firefox and waterfox share some features well that makes sence.
I have downgraded to 2020.8.1, but even in the 08x series the system
has been running hot with the brouser active so there could be a leak
going on.
I like classic waterfox because of its uncluttered nature, but if the
makers of this thing refuse to acknowledge that its a problem on their
end, then I am going to have to abandon noscript 5, and try to use
chrome, edge, brave or something.
I'd ideally like a firefox like classic brouser.
What I may have to do is switch back and fforth.
Right now I am running an older waterfox classic which does what I
need it to do but yeah, I am starting to get that to.
Its random, sometimes its fine then sometimes its not.
It can happen quickly or it can well happen later on and randomly.
Taking into account that I have at least 1 site I use for work which
is known to be slow and a lot slower now because it just is who knows.
Its only happening if I load several things in the same tab, any new
tabs are not effected.
At first I thought it was java or  malware but its getting to crazy
now, worse its even happening on sites like blogspot where I don't
allow any scripts to execute.
I'll give those at waterfox/firefox a little more time to do something
about this but if not I am going to have to switch to chrome for my
day to day work.
Now chrome aint a bad brouser but I like a classic and uncluttered
interface.
Bar the addons from electronic frontier, privacy, badger, and https
everywhere, as well as ublock, the only addon I need is the old
navigation sounds and accessible noscript addon and heck I probably
could do without that but I like control.
Point is I can't go on like this.
I have allready done a hardreset on my ram modules after a firmware
update caused some issues, and while that has sorted out some stuff,
when this goes it turns nvda into junk.
Mostly narator will come up file and closing the program works fine
but the last time this happened this morning it took out part of nvda
keyboard and I had to reboot nvda manually and then restart windows.
I have struggled through this for the last 3 days now since the update
and am just about through.

On 26/09/2020, Gene <gsasner@gmail.com> wrote:
It sounds like a memory leak problem.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2020 7:58 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] firefox and waterfox issues.

Hi all.

There is an issue on github of both waterfox and nvda about how the
brouser is really flakey in the latest version.

Aparently firefox has the same issues, at first I thought it was just a
couple sites, but now I can be brousing along and it may be blogspot,
github, another site, and things will become unresponsive.

I thought I'd fixed it this morning but no I hadn't.

If you open sites each in a new tab things do not crash but eventually
if you open things in the same window things will crash and become
unresponsive.

This never happened on the previous waterfox version but if its
happening in firefox as well as waterfox classic then there is a problem.

I like classic waterfox for what it is but if its going to do this sort
of thing I may have to use chrome and hope it doesn't do this.

I don't like what chrome does to some number conversions in sites like
pbtech.co.nz as they don't read decimals right because how the numbers
and such on the site are done but well things just seem to be well doing
bad things right now.

Interested to get to the bottem of this.

thanks.

Shaun.





























Re: firefox and waterfox issues.

Gene
 

I don't understand your point about how dollar amountsare read. They are read as I expect and the way differs when I use different symthesizers. Via Voice reads them correctly. E-Speak reads them incorrectly whatever browser I use.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2020 12:37 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] firefox and waterfox issues.

Hmph.

Well, I am really close to swearing now reading what you just told me.

I have done a little more, adding waterfox to ccleaner and turning off
hardware exceleration.

I have also turned off container tabs and autoupdates but at this point
I am pritty close to bailing.

As for google, my issue is, well go to www.pbtech.co.nz and look at how
the prices for things are set.

Look how chromium based brousers say them, look at how waterfox/ firefox
say them.

Now you will understand why I don't care about leaving waterfox or whatever.

Is there such a thing as a brouser with a classic interface I can use or
do I have to soldier on with what I have.

I can do it, I guess but really its really bad.

I could refresh my profile but back a couple versions ago and I just
tried things do spike but not like this.

This is not the medium I really want.



On 26/09/2020 4:17 pm, Hareth wrote:
Same here, Firefox went to the worse it could get.
opening a facebook page became a crash nightmare with it.
About the chrome navigating history entries, Man if that's not one of
the biggest NVDA and crome accessibility shortcomings.
I have to quit NVDA, start JAWS, open the jaws find feature and put
"yes" for yesterday ETC, in the edit field and it finds the entries
there pretty well.
I couldn't make NVDA do the same .
On 9/26/20, Gene <gsasner@gmail.com> wrote:

Of course, it may be something else. I don't have the technical knowledge
to do more than guess.

Aside from that, I don't see anything cluttered about the Chrome interface.

Browsing is browsing when you are using Browse mode or the Virtual PC
Cursor, different names for the same thing. The interface is different but

the only place where I find that an annoyance is when working with history.

and I still haven't found a way to go back more than about a day in Chrome
history. I wonder if there is some sort of inaccessible scroll icon.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2020 9:22 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] firefox and waterfox issues.

Yeah, its starting to become a thing I am jumping towards to.
Since firefox and waterfox share some features well that makes sence.
I have downgraded to 2020.8.1, but even in the 08x series the system
has been running hot with the brouser active so there could be a leak
going on.
I like classic waterfox because of its uncluttered nature, but if the
makers of this thing refuse to acknowledge that its a problem on their
end, then I am going to have to abandon noscript 5, and try to use
chrome, edge, brave or something.
I'd ideally like a firefox like classic brouser.
What I may have to do is switch back and fforth.
Right now I am running an older waterfox classic which does what I
need it to do but yeah, I am starting to get that to.
Its random, sometimes its fine then sometimes its not.
It can happen quickly or it can well happen later on and randomly.
Taking into account that I have at least 1 site I use for work which
is known to be slow and a lot slower now because it just is who knows.
Its only happening if I load several things in the same tab, any new
tabs are not effected.
At first I thought it was java or malware but its getting to crazy
now, worse its even happening on sites like blogspot where I don't
allow any scripts to execute.
I'll give those at waterfox/firefox a little more time to do something
about this but if not I am going to have to switch to chrome for my
day to day work.
Now chrome aint a bad brouser but I like a classic and uncluttered
interface.
Bar the addons from electronic frontier, privacy, badger, and https
everywhere, as well as ublock, the only addon I need is the old
navigation sounds and accessible noscript addon and heck I probably
could do without that but I like control.
Point is I can't go on like this.
I have allready done a hardreset on my ram modules after a firmware
update caused some issues, and while that has sorted out some stuff,
when this goes it turns nvda into junk.
Mostly narator will come up file and closing the program works fine
but the last time this happened this morning it took out part of nvda
keyboard and I had to reboot nvda manually and then restart windows.
I have struggled through this for the last 3 days now since the update
and am just about through.

On 26/09/2020, Gene <gsasner@gmail.com> wrote:
It sounds like a memory leak problem.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2020 7:58 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] firefox and waterfox issues.

Hi all.

There is an issue on github of both waterfox and nvda about how the
brouser is really flakey in the latest version.

Aparently firefox has the same issues, at first I thought it was just a
couple sites, but now I can be brousing along and it may be blogspot,
github, another site, and things will become unresponsive.

I thought I'd fixed it this morning but no I hadn't.

If you open sites each in a new tab things do not crash but eventually
if you open things in the same window things will crash and become
unresponsive.

This never happened on the previous waterfox version but if its
happening in firefox as well as waterfox classic then there is a problem.

I like classic waterfox for what it is but if its going to do this sort
of thing I may have to use chrome and hope it doesn't do this.

I don't like what chrome does to some number conversions in sites like
pbtech.co.nz as they don't read decimals right because how the numbers
and such on the site are done but well things just seem to be well doing
bad things right now.

Interested to get to the bottem of this.

thanks.

Shaun.























Re: book extensively dealing with NVDA or JAWS and the internet

Tony Ballou
 

Hi, 

 

Absolutely.  Sometimes, it may be easier to simply ask the question here on the list.  We’ve got an armada of knowledgeable folks up here that will gladly help you out. What exactly are you looking to learn, That is the question on the net? Are you transitioning from Jaws to NVDA?  Are you trying to figure out how do the different browsers function with NVDA?  But the answers will come once you ask us questions about what it is you want to learn.  Hopefully this makes sense, it’s late here in the east. 

 

Tony   

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Gene
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2020 10:53 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] book extensively dealing with NVDA or JAWS and the internet

 

I am not familiar with the book you are discussing.

Cathy Anne Murtha is a very well regarded instructor.  I did a search of her
web site for Internet Explorer and here is a link to the results.
https://www.blind.training/?s=internet

It appears she only has material for the Internet using JAWS but browsing
will be almost identical.
Since I don't know what you want to learn, you might wish to contact her and
ask if the book deals with the topics you want to learn.

Also, since I don't know what you want to learn, I don't know if a book is
the best way to proceed.  You might be able to learn what you want by asking
questions here or on the chat list, whichever is appropriate for what you
want to learn.  Or one or two hours of personal instruction might be a good
approach.

If you give us an idea of what you want to learn, you may get better help
for your specific needs.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Aschalew Byness
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2020 9:38 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] book extensively dealing with NVDA or JAWS and the
internet

Than k you Tony! I already bought that book. I didn't find it
sufficient enough to know of the internet and screen reader in detail.
I need a more advanced book therefore. Best

On 9/25/20, Tony Ballou <cyberpro224@...> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Look this one up from Carroll press.  It’s called When One Web browser is
> not enough. It’s a guide for using the internet with jaws and NVDA.
> Hope this helps.
>
> Tony
>
> Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows
> 10
>
> From: Aschalew Byness<mailto:gakidan.ashagre235@...>
> Sent: Friday, September 25, 2020 3:18 AM
> To: nvda<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> Subject: [nvda] book extensively dealing with NVDA or JAWS and the
> internet
>
> Hi Friends?
> I want to purchase a book if there is a one extensively discussing
> NVDA and JAWS with the internet. May you suggest me please?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>








 


Re: firefox and waterfox issues.

 

Hmph.

Well, I am really close to swearing now reading what you just told me.

I have done a little more, adding waterfox to ccleaner and turning off hardware exceleration.

I have also turned off container tabs and autoupdates but at this point I am pritty close to bailing.

As for google, my issue is, well go to www.pbtech.co.nz and look at how the prices for things are set.

Look how chromium based brousers say them, look at how waterfox/ firefox say them.

Now you will understand why I don't care about leaving waterfox or whatever.

Is there such a thing as a brouser with a classic interface I can use or do I have to soldier on with what I have.

I can do it, I guess but really its really bad.

I could refresh my profile but back a couple versions ago and I just tried things do spike but not like this.

This is not the medium I really want.

On 26/09/2020 4:17 pm, Hareth wrote:
Same here, Firefox went to the worse it could get.
opening a facebook page became a crash nightmare with it.
About the chrome navigating history entries, Man if that's not one of
the biggest NVDA and crome accessibility shortcomings.
I have to quit NVDA, start JAWS, open the jaws find feature and put
"yes" for yesterday ETC, in the edit field and it finds the entries
there pretty well.
I couldn't make NVDA do the same .
On 9/26/20, Gene <gsasner@gmail.com> wrote:

Of course, it may be something else. I don't have the technical knowledge
to do more than guess.

Aside from that, I don't see anything cluttered about the Chrome interface.

Browsing is browsing when you are using Browse mode or the Virtual PC
Cursor, different names for the same thing. The interface is different but

the only place where I find that an annoyance is when working with history.

and I still haven't found a way to go back more than about a day in Chrome
history. I wonder if there is some sort of inaccessible scroll icon.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2020 9:22 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] firefox and waterfox issues.

Yeah, its starting to become a thing I am jumping towards to.
Since firefox and waterfox share some features well that makes sence.
I have downgraded to 2020.8.1, but even in the 08x series the system
has been running hot with the brouser active so there could be a leak
going on.
I like classic waterfox because of its uncluttered nature, but if the
makers of this thing refuse to acknowledge that its a problem on their
end, then I am going to have to abandon noscript 5, and try to use
chrome, edge, brave or something.
I'd ideally like a firefox like classic brouser.
What I may have to do is switch back and fforth.
Right now I am running an older waterfox classic which does what I
need it to do but yeah, I am starting to get that to.
Its random, sometimes its fine then sometimes its not.
It can happen quickly or it can well happen later on and randomly.
Taking into account that I have at least 1 site I use for work which
is known to be slow and a lot slower now because it just is who knows.
Its only happening if I load several things in the same tab, any new
tabs are not effected.
At first I thought it was java or malware but its getting to crazy
now, worse its even happening on sites like blogspot where I don't
allow any scripts to execute.
I'll give those at waterfox/firefox a little more time to do something
about this but if not I am going to have to switch to chrome for my
day to day work.
Now chrome aint a bad brouser but I like a classic and uncluttered
interface.
Bar the addons from electronic frontier, privacy, badger, and https
everywhere, as well as ublock, the only addon I need is the old
navigation sounds and accessible noscript addon and heck I probably
could do without that but I like control.
Point is I can't go on like this.
I have allready done a hardreset on my ram modules after a firmware
update caused some issues, and while that has sorted out some stuff,
when this goes it turns nvda into junk.
Mostly narator will come up file and closing the program works fine
but the last time this happened this morning it took out part of nvda
keyboard and I had to reboot nvda manually and then restart windows.
I have struggled through this for the last 3 days now since the update
and am just about through.

On 26/09/2020, Gene <gsasner@gmail.com> wrote:
It sounds like a memory leak problem.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2020 7:58 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] firefox and waterfox issues.

Hi all.

There is an issue on github of both waterfox and nvda about how the
brouser is really flakey in the latest version.

Aparently firefox has the same issues, at first I thought it was just a
couple sites, but now I can be brousing along and it may be blogspot,
github, another site, and things will become unresponsive.

I thought I'd fixed it this morning but no I hadn't.

If you open sites each in a new tab things do not crash but eventually
if you open things in the same window things will crash and become
unresponsive.

This never happened on the previous waterfox version but if its
happening in firefox as well as waterfox classic then there is a problem.

I like classic waterfox for what it is but if its going to do this sort
of thing I may have to use chrome and hope it doesn't do this.

I don't like what chrome does to some number conversions in sites like
pbtech.co.nz as they don't read decimals right because how the numbers
and such on the site are done but well things just seem to be well doing
bad things right now.

Interested to get to the bottem of this.

thanks.

Shaun.






















Re: accessible disk imaging software.

Micallef Michael at FITA
 

Dear Rich,

Could you please write me offline or on this list how is the process the restore part using the image for windows, I manage to make a backup with Image for windows but I don't know exactly how to restore it back. Please note that I'm totally blind so if I booth from the cd to restore the backup I certainly don't have speech, So please help me with some hints how you manage to do it from the totally blind perspective.
My email address is: Michael.micallef@gov.mt
Thank you,

Michael Micallef
Malta Europe.

.




Michael Micallef
Officer in charge of ICT Accessibility Certification
and ICT Training for Persons with a Visual Impairment

Foundation for Information Technology Accessibility (FITA)

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-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Richard Kuzma via groups.io
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2020 2:51 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [EXTERNAL] - Re: [nvda] accessible disk imaging software.

Good morning,
I use image for windows and it is completely accessible.
I use it with jaws but nvda should work as well.
It is very inexpensive and has a thirty day trial.
I have successfully backed up my pc for about four years now and even used it to backup and restore to a new hard drive with no trouble.
Hope this helps,
Rich


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Austin Pinto
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2020 12:51 AM
To: access-uk@freelists.org
Subject: [nvda] accessible disk imaging software.

hi all.
i require an accessible disk imaging software that can backup and restore windows 10 and data and also has incrimental and differencial backup features.
i used to use active@disk image but it doesnt restore windows 10 properly.
please suggest


Re: book extensively dealing with NVDA or JAWS and the internet

Aschalew Byness
 

Thank you, Gin! This is what I exactly need!

On 9/26/20, Aschalew Byness via groups.io
<gakidan.ashagre235=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
Than k you Tony! I already bought that book. I didn't find it
sufficient enough to know of the internet and screen reader in detail.
I need a more advanced book therefore. Best

On 9/25/20, Tony Ballou <cyberpro224@outlook.com> wrote:
Hi,

Look this one up from Carroll press. It’s called When One Web browser is
not enough. It’s a guide for using the internet with jaws and NVDA.
Hope this helps.

Tony

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From: Aschalew Byness<mailto:gakidan.ashagre235@gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2020 3:18 AM
To: nvda<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] book extensively dealing with NVDA or JAWS and the
internet

Hi Friends?
I want to purchase a book if there is a one extensively discussing
NVDA and JAWS with the internet. May you suggest me please?















Re: firefox and waterfox issues.

Hareth
 

Same here, Firefox went to the worse it could get.
opening a facebook page became a crash nightmare with it.
About the chrome navigating history entries, Man if that's not one of
the biggest NVDA and crome accessibility shortcomings.
I have to quit NVDA, start JAWS, open the jaws find feature and put
"yes" for yesterday ETC, in the edit field and it finds the entries
there pretty well.
I couldn't make NVDA do the same .

On 9/26/20, Gene <gsasner@gmail.com> wrote:

Of course, it may be something else. I don't have the technical knowledge
to do more than guess.

Aside from that, I don't see anything cluttered about the Chrome interface.

Browsing is browsing when you are using Browse mode or the Virtual PC
Cursor, different names for the same thing. The interface is different but

the only place where I find that an annoyance is when working with history.

and I still haven't found a way to go back more than about a day in Chrome
history. I wonder if there is some sort of inaccessible scroll icon.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2020 9:22 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] firefox and waterfox issues.

Yeah, its starting to become a thing I am jumping towards to.
Since firefox and waterfox share some features well that makes sence.
I have downgraded to 2020.8.1, but even in the 08x series the system
has been running hot with the brouser active so there could be a leak
going on.
I like classic waterfox because of its uncluttered nature, but if the
makers of this thing refuse to acknowledge that its a problem on their
end, then I am going to have to abandon noscript 5, and try to use
chrome, edge, brave or something.
I'd ideally like a firefox like classic brouser.
What I may have to do is switch back and fforth.
Right now I am running an older waterfox classic which does what I
need it to do but yeah, I am starting to get that to.
Its random, sometimes its fine then sometimes its not.
It can happen quickly or it can well happen later on and randomly.
Taking into account that I have at least 1 site I use for work which
is known to be slow and a lot slower now because it just is who knows.
Its only happening if I load several things in the same tab, any new
tabs are not effected.
At first I thought it was java or malware but its getting to crazy
now, worse its even happening on sites like blogspot where I don't
allow any scripts to execute.
I'll give those at waterfox/firefox a little more time to do something
about this but if not I am going to have to switch to chrome for my
day to day work.
Now chrome aint a bad brouser but I like a classic and uncluttered
interface.
Bar the addons from electronic frontier, privacy, badger, and https
everywhere, as well as ublock, the only addon I need is the old
navigation sounds and accessible noscript addon and heck I probably
could do without that but I like control.
Point is I can't go on like this.
I have allready done a hardreset on my ram modules after a firmware
update caused some issues, and while that has sorted out some stuff,
when this goes it turns nvda into junk.
Mostly narator will come up file and closing the program works fine
but the last time this happened this morning it took out part of nvda
keyboard and I had to reboot nvda manually and then restart windows.
I have struggled through this for the last 3 days now since the update
and am just about through.

On 26/09/2020, Gene <gsasner@gmail.com> wrote:
It sounds like a memory leak problem.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2020 7:58 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] firefox and waterfox issues.

Hi all.

There is an issue on github of both waterfox and nvda about how the
brouser is really flakey in the latest version.

Aparently firefox has the same issues, at first I thought it was just a
couple sites, but now I can be brousing along and it may be blogspot,
github, another site, and things will become unresponsive.

I thought I'd fixed it this morning but no I hadn't.

If you open sites each in a new tab things do not crash but eventually
if you open things in the same window things will crash and become
unresponsive.

This never happened on the previous waterfox version but if its
happening in firefox as well as waterfox classic then there is a problem.

I like classic waterfox for what it is but if its going to do this sort
of thing I may have to use chrome and hope it doesn't do this.

I don't like what chrome does to some number conversions in sites like
pbtech.co.nz as they don't read decimals right because how the numbers
and such on the site are done but well things just seem to be well doing
bad things right now.

Interested to get to the bottem of this.

thanks.

Shaun.






















Re: Pronunciation of phone numbers

 
Edited

George,

         If you use either of the formats I previously mentioned, whether or not the area code is enclosed in parentheses or not, you can use the instructions that follow.  I am going to give the regular expression (regex) you will want to use first and the replacement string right afterward before giving the step-by-step instructions that would be used to do this for any regular expression and replacement.  You begin copying the regex with the opening backslash and stop at the end of the line.  For the replacement, if you do not want NVDA to say, "area code," before the first three digits then you can omit those two words and start copying at the opening backslash until the end of the line.

regex: \(?(\d)(\d)(\d)\)?[ -](\d)(\d)(\d)-(\d)(\d)(\d)(\d)
 
replacement: area code \1 \2 \3 \4 \5 \6 \7 \8 \9 \10
 
Adding a Regular Expression match to the Default Dictionary
1. Hit NVDA+N,P,D,D   NVDA Main Menu, Preferences, Speech dictionaries, Default Dictionary
2. Hit ALT+A to activate the Add Button or navigate to it and activate it.
3. In the dialog that appears, paste or enter a regular expression in the Pattern edit box.
4. Paste or enter the replacement you want to hear in the Replacement edit box.  If you're using a capturing regular expression this may be a sequence of backslashes followed by the numbers of the capture groups you're using.
5. The Comment edit box should either have a comment that helps you to remember the purpose of this dictionary entry, which is preferable, or be left blank.
6. Leave the Case Sensitive checkbox unchecked.
7. The Type radio button should be set to Regular Expression.
8. Activate the OK button

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

It’s hard waking up and realizing it’s not always black and white.

     ~ Kelley Boorn

 


Re: book extensively dealing with NVDA or JAWS and the internet

Gene
 

I am not familiar with the book you are discussing.

Cathy Anne Murtha is a very well regarded instructor. I did a search of her web site for Internet Explorer and here is a link to the results.
https://www.blind.training/?s=internet

It appears she only has material for the Internet using JAWS but browsing will be almost identical.
Since I don't know what you want to learn, you might wish to contact her and ask if the book deals with the topics you want to learn.

Also, since I don't know what you want to learn, I don't know if a book is the best way to proceed. You might be able to learn what you want by asking questions here or on the chat list, whichever is appropriate for what you want to learn. Or one or two hours of personal instruction might be a good approach.

If you give us an idea of what you want to learn, you may get better help for your specific needs.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Aschalew Byness
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2020 9:38 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] book extensively dealing with NVDA or JAWS and the internet

Than k you Tony! I already bought that book. I didn't find it
sufficient enough to know of the internet and screen reader in detail.
I need a more advanced book therefore. Best

On 9/25/20, Tony Ballou <cyberpro224@outlook.com> wrote:
Hi,

Look this one up from Carroll press. It’s called When One Web browser is
not enough. It’s a guide for using the internet with jaws and NVDA.
Hope this helps.

Tony

Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows
10

From: Aschalew Byness<mailto:gakidan.ashagre235@gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2020 3:18 AM
To: nvda<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] book extensively dealing with NVDA or JAWS and the internet

Hi Friends?
I want to purchase a book if there is a one extensively discussing
NVDA and JAWS with the internet. May you suggest me please?











Re: book extensively dealing with NVDA or JAWS and the internet

Aschalew Byness
 

Than k you Tony! I already bought that book. I didn't find it
sufficient enough to know of the internet and screen reader in detail.
I need a more advanced book therefore. Best

On 9/25/20, Tony Ballou <cyberpro224@outlook.com> wrote:
Hi,

Look this one up from Carroll press. It’s called When One Web browser is
not enough. It’s a guide for using the internet with jaws and NVDA.
Hope this helps.

Tony

Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows
10

From: Aschalew Byness<mailto:gakidan.ashagre235@gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2020 3:18 AM
To: nvda<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] book extensively dealing with NVDA or JAWS and the internet

Hi Friends?
I want to purchase a book if there is a one extensively discussing
NVDA and JAWS with the internet. May you suggest me please?











Re: firefox and waterfox issues.

Gene
 

Of course, it may be something else. I don't have the technical knowledge to do more than guess.

Aside from that, I don't see anything cluttered about the Chrome interface. Browsing is browsing when you are using Browse mode or the Virtual PC Cursor, different names for the same thing. The interface is different but the only place where I find that an annoyance is when working with history. and I still haven't found a way to go back more than about a day in Chrome history. I wonder if there is some sort of inaccessible scroll icon.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2020 9:22 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] firefox and waterfox issues.

Yeah, its starting to become a thing I am jumping towards to.
Since firefox and waterfox share some features well that makes sence.
I have downgraded to 2020.8.1, but even in the 08x series the system
has been running hot with the brouser active so there could be a leak
going on.
I like classic waterfox because of its uncluttered nature, but if the
makers of this thing refuse to acknowledge that its a problem on their
end, then I am going to have to abandon noscript 5, and try to use
chrome, edge, brave or something.
I'd ideally like a firefox like classic brouser.
What I may have to do is switch back and fforth.
Right now I am running an older waterfox classic which does what I
need it to do but yeah, I am starting to get that to.
Its random, sometimes its fine then sometimes its not.
It can happen quickly or it can well happen later on and randomly.
Taking into account that I have at least 1 site I use for work which
is known to be slow and a lot slower now because it just is who knows.
Its only happening if I load several things in the same tab, any new
tabs are not effected.
At first I thought it was java or malware but its getting to crazy
now, worse its even happening on sites like blogspot where I don't
allow any scripts to execute.
I'll give those at waterfox/firefox a little more time to do something
about this but if not I am going to have to switch to chrome for my
day to day work.
Now chrome aint a bad brouser but I like a classic and uncluttered interface.
Bar the addons from electronic frontier, privacy, badger, and https
everywhere, as well as ublock, the only addon I need is the old
navigation sounds and accessible noscript addon and heck I probably
could do without that but I like control.
Point is I can't go on like this.
I have allready done a hardreset on my ram modules after a firmware
update caused some issues, and while that has sorted out some stuff,
when this goes it turns nvda into junk.
Mostly narator will come up file and closing the program works fine
but the last time this happened this morning it took out part of nvda
keyboard and I had to reboot nvda manually and then restart windows.
I have struggled through this for the last 3 days now since the update
and am just about through.

On 26/09/2020, Gene <gsasner@gmail.com> wrote:
It sounds like a memory leak problem.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2020 7:58 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] firefox and waterfox issues.

Hi all.

There is an issue on github of both waterfox and nvda about how the
brouser is really flakey in the latest version.

Aparently firefox has the same issues, at first I thought it was just a
couple sites, but now I can be brousing along and it may be blogspot,
github, another site, and things will become unresponsive.

I thought I'd fixed it this morning but no I hadn't.

If you open sites each in a new tab things do not crash but eventually
if you open things in the same window things will crash and become
unresponsive.

This never happened on the previous waterfox version but if its
happening in firefox as well as waterfox classic then there is a problem.

I like classic waterfox for what it is but if its going to do this sort
of thing I may have to use chrome and hope it doesn't do this.

I don't like what chrome does to some number conversions in sites like
pbtech.co.nz as they don't read decimals right because how the numbers
and such on the site are done but well things just seem to be well doing
bad things right now.

Interested to get to the bottem of this.

thanks.

Shaun.














Re: Mostly used media player with NVDA

Kerryn Gunness
 


where do  u get pot player?
am trying to get it but i cant seem to find it
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2020 8:59 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Mostly used media player with NVDA

I use both PotPlayer and iTunes. PotPlayer is quite accessible now, from my tests. I also use Foobar, but mainly for converting iTunes m4a files into mp3 files.


Re: Mostly used media player with NVDA

 

Well not sure about pot, but yeah, itunes has some good points.
The chief among them is the use of gracenote which is really cool
something in a hurry itunes will do it for me.
If I want to buy something I want and can't find it other places, then
itunes will have it.
Right, so the biggest issue I have with itunes then is that it seems
to add its own markups onto prices of things I know are cheaper in
other digital stores.
That and the fact the icloud app secures part of itself so system
restore just doesn't work with it and no, I can't find any way to make
that go away.
There used to be a way but I can't find now now.
If I need to recognise

On 26/09/2020, Supanut Leepaisomboon <supanut2000@outlook.com> wrote:
I use both PotPlayer and iTunes. PotPlayer is quite accessible now, from my
tests. I also use Foobar, but mainly for converting iTunes m4a files into
mp3 files.






Re: Pronunciation of phone numbers

 

George,

            Do you use a consistent format for your phone numbers?   For example, are all written with the area code in parentheses, (814) 536-2250, or all written as area code hyphen exchange hyphen last 4 digits, 814-536-2250, or some other format that's consistent?

            It is possible to achieve what you're looking for using regular expression matching, but it's helpful to know how you format phone numbers so that the regex can be constructed correctly.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

It’s hard waking up and realizing it’s not always black and white.

     ~ Kelley Boorn

 


Re: firefox and waterfox issues.

 

Yeah, its starting to become a thing I am jumping towards to.
Since firefox and waterfox share some features well that makes sence.
I have downgraded to 2020.8.1, but even in the 08x series the system
has been running hot with the brouser active so there could be a leak
going on.
I like classic waterfox because of its uncluttered nature, but if the
makers of this thing refuse to acknowledge that its a problem on their
end, then I am going to have to abandon noscript 5, and try to use
chrome, edge, brave or something.
I'd ideally like a firefox like classic brouser.
What I may have to do is switch back and fforth.
Right now I am running an older waterfox classic which does what I
need it to do but yeah, I am starting to get that to.
Its random, sometimes its fine then sometimes its not.
It can happen quickly or it can well happen later on and randomly.
Taking into account that I have at least 1 site I use for work which
is known to be slow and a lot slower now because it just is who knows.
Its only happening if I load several things in the same tab, any new
tabs are not effected.
At first I thought it was java or malware but its getting to crazy
now, worse its even happening on sites like blogspot where I don't
allow any scripts to execute.
I'll give those at waterfox/firefox a little more time to do something
about this but if not I am going to have to switch to chrome for my
day to day work.
Now chrome aint a bad brouser but I like a classic and uncluttered interface.
Bar the addons from electronic frontier, privacy, badger, and https
everywhere, as well as ublock, the only addon I need is the old
navigation sounds and accessible noscript addon and heck I probably
could do without that but I like control.
Point is I can't go on like this.
I have allready done a hardreset on my ram modules after a firmware
update caused some issues, and while that has sorted out some stuff,
when this goes it turns nvda into junk.
Mostly narator will come up file and closing the program works fine
but the last time this happened this morning it took out part of nvda
keyboard and I had to reboot nvda manually and then restart windows.
I have struggled through this for the last 3 days now since the update
and am just about through.

On 26/09/2020, Gene <gsasner@gmail.com> wrote:
It sounds like a memory leak problem.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2020 7:58 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] firefox and waterfox issues.

Hi all.

There is an issue on github of both waterfox and nvda about how the
brouser is really flakey in the latest version.

Aparently firefox has the same issues, at first I thought it was just a
couple sites, but now I can be brousing along and it may be blogspot,
github, another site, and things will become unresponsive.

I thought I'd fixed it this morning but no I hadn't.

If you open sites each in a new tab things do not crash but eventually
if you open things in the same window things will crash and become
unresponsive.

This never happened on the previous waterfox version but if its
happening in firefox as well as waterfox classic then there is a problem.

I like classic waterfox for what it is but if its going to do this sort
of thing I may have to use chrome and hope it doesn't do this.

I don't like what chrome does to some number conversions in sites like
pbtech.co.nz as they don't read decimals right because how the numbers
and such on the site are done but well things just seem to be well doing
bad things right now.

Interested to get to the bottem of this.

thanks.

Shaun.














Pronunciation of phone numbers

George McCoy
 

I have a couple synthesizers that do not pronounce phone numbers as individual digits. Are there settings or speech dictionary entries that would correct this problem?


Thanks,

George

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