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Re: Pronunciation: Unwanted Dates

mattias
 

sure that some vocalizer voices sounds like a real person but not all of them. some voices sounds metalic

Den 28 september 2020 01:32:47 skrev "Leslie" <soundsofmusic@...>:

Well, I had Elquence for years and I’m sure glad they came out with other voices that sound like an actual person talking. 

 

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From: Gene
Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2020 3:57 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Pronunciation: Unwanted Dates

 

It sounds like Eloquence, but it is technically different.  I don't know if

you can get it legally or where you would find it.

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

From: Hope Williamson

Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2020 5:54 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Pronunciation: Unwanted Dates

 

Well it's an eloquence voice. I can't tell you that, or they'll have to

kill me.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


Re: Pronunciation: Unwanted Dates

Gene
 

If you are using the add-on that you pay for and you are using an old version, try the current one. If you still get clicks with that and with the SAPI 5 version, then it is a problem with your system, probably something about your soundcard. Perhaps you are using an enhancement that is causing the problem.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Hope Williamson
Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2020 7:45 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Pronunciation: Unwanted Dates

I actually like eloquence. The speed and efficiency is unrivaled.
However the clicking is incessant, which drives me crazy!!


Re: Pronunciation: Unwanted Dates

Gene
 

What is awfully clicky? I've tried the SAPI 5 version and the add-on version of Eloquence. They aren't clicky. I don't know when this was corrected, but for quite awhile, the add-on paid version of Eloquence had a lot of artifacts and I recommended against people using it. But at some point, that was corrected.

As far as if you are discussing a free version of Eloquence, that version is illegal and can't be shared on the list.

Regarding Via Voice, that is an IBM product, or it was. I don't know if IBM still owns it or sold it. I don't know what its legal status is.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Hope Williamson
Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2020 7:40 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Pronunciation: Unwanted Dates

It's an awfully clicky version of eloquence. Then again so is the paid
version. If you want me to link to it here, I will but I need express
permission.


Re: Pronunciation: Unwanted Dates

Hope Williamson
 

I actually like eloquence. The speed and efficiency is unrivaled.
However the clicking is incessant, which drives me crazy!!


Re: Pronunciation: Unwanted Dates

Hope Williamson
 

It's an awfully clicky version of eloquence. Then again so is the paid
version. If you want me to link to it here, I will but I need express
permission.


Re: Introducing the Quick Dictionary add-on #addonrelease

 

I think one solution to the NVDA+d hotkey conflict is to leave the hotkey to activate the addon unassigned, and then add the addon activation jesture to the input jesture dialog, which would allow users to set their own hotkey for activating the addon.


Re: Mostly used media player with NVDA

 

Um I do not know about the bookmarks feature, as I never use it.
One thing I noticed, however, is if you install PotPlayer on Windows 10, for some reason the context menu is not accessible, but this can be fixed by pressing the f5 key and going into the skins setting, and change the context menu to system default.


Re: Pronunciation: Unwanted Dates

Gene
 

The voices are more human sounding as voices. The reading is much less so, with odd pauses, improper inflections and oddly joined words with artifacts or slurred joining at times.

I should add that I don't know if any of the newer voices get around or largely get around these problems but the ones I've heard for use with ;personal computers don't.
Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Leslie
Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2020 6:32 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Pronunciation: Unwanted Dates



Well, I had Elquence for years and I’m sure glad they came out with other voices that sound like an actual person talking.



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From: Gene
Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2020 3:57 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Pronunciation: Unwanted Dates





It sounds like Eloquence, but it is technically different. I don't know if

you can get it legally or where you would find it.



Gene

-----Original Message-----

From: Hope Williamson

Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2020 5:54 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Pronunciation: Unwanted Dates



Well it's an eloquence voice. I can't tell you that, or they'll have to

kill me.


Re: Pronunciation: Unwanted Dates

Leslie
 

Well, I had Elquence for years and I’m sure glad they came out with other voices that sound like an actual person talking. 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Gene
Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2020 3:57 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Pronunciation: Unwanted Dates

 

It sounds like Eloquence, but it is technically different.  I don't know if

you can get it legally or where you would find it.

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

From: Hope Williamson

Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2020 5:54 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Pronunciation: Unwanted Dates

 

Well it's an eloquence voice. I can't tell you that, or they'll have to

kill me.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


Re: Pronunciation: Unwanted Dates

Pele West
 

Hi Brian

Thanks for the detailed explanation.

Pele


Re: Pronunciation: Unwanted Dates

Gene
 

It sounds like Eloquence, but it is technically different. I don't know if you can get it legally or where you would find it.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Hope Williamson
Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2020 5:54 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Pronunciation: Unwanted Dates

Well it's an eloquence voice. I can't tell you that, or they'll have to
kill me.


Re: Pronunciation: Unwanted Dates

Hope Williamson
 

Well it's an eloquence voice. I can't tell you that, or they'll have to
kill me.


Re: Pronunciation: Unwanted Dates

 

Pele,

          And if you want this to apply strictly to a digit sequence, followed by the word "Mary" and nothing else, then omit the period asterisk that I have after Mary, but keep the close parenthesis.

           As written right now, it would apply to a digit sequence of any length, followed by any word or phrase that starts with Mary.  It has the potential to capture some very odd instances were you to have a phrase in text like, "175 Mary had a little lamb,"  Though that still would end up with the phrase being pronounced as one hundred seventy five Mary had a little lamb.  I doubt the change is needed, but if you suddenly start having odd issues with phrases starting with digits and the word Mary following you may need to tweak. 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

It’s hard waking up and realizing it’s not always black and white.

     ~ Kelley Boorn

 


Re: Pronunciation: Unwanted Dates

 

Pele,

             Presuming this does not need to be generic beyond a string that's 2 digits followed by a space followed by Mary, try the following.  If you find there are other cases where you're having a month announced when it shouldn't be then the regular expression would need to be tweaked to handle the alternatives.  I am giving the regular expression you need to use, and the replacement string, each on its own line after a label to indicate which is is which, before I give the step-by-step instructions for adding that exception to the NVDA Default Dictionary.

regex: (\d+)\s(Mary.*)
 
replacement: \1 \2
 
Adding a Regular Expression match to the Default Dictionary
1. Hit NVDA+N,P,D,D   NVDA Main Menu, Preferences, Speech dictionaries, Default Dictionary
2. Hit ALT+A to activate the Add Button or navigate to it and activate it.
3. In the dialog that appears, paste or enter a regular expression in the Pattern edit box.
4. Paste or enter the replacement you want to hear in the Replacement edit box.  If you're using a capturing regular expression this may be a sequence of backslashes followed by the numbers of the capture groups you're using.
5. The Comment edit box should either have a comment that helps you to remember the purpose of this dictionary entry, which is preferable, or be left blank.
6. Leave the Case Sensitive checkbox unchecked.
7. The Type radio button should be set to Regular Expression.
8. Activate the OK button
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

It’s hard waking up and realizing it’s not always black and white.

     ~ Kelley Boorn

 


Re: Pronunciation of phone numbers

 

On Sun, Sep 27, 2020 at 12:41 AM, Luke Davis wrote this regular expression:
\(?(\d)(\d)(\d)(?:\)?[ \.-]|\))(\d)(\d)(\d)[ \.-](\d)(\d)(\d)(\d)\D
-
By the way, that's very, very elegant for the purpose.  I never want you to think that my comments on the group are meant to be critical/disparaging in any way.  I'm just generally going for "quick and dirty for the common cases" while you are being incredibly thorough, and the latter is more complicated and requires great skill.

I'd actually forgotten about non-capturing groups with alternatives.  A master stroke!
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

It’s hard waking up and realizing it’s not always black and white.

     ~ Kelley Boorn

 


Re: Pronunciation: Unwanted Dates

Leslie
 

I’ve never heard of the IBM. TDS. Voice.  Where diddid that come from and how do you get it?  Is it a good, clear voice?  I have the current version of Windows 10.  Does it work with these things?

 

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From: Pele West
Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2020 4:13 AM
To: NVDA
Subject: [nvda] Pronunciation: Unwanted Dates

 

Hi Everyone

 

I am running windows 7 with the latest version of NVDA using the IBM TTS

Voice.

 

I have lots of music on my machine. If there is a track beginning "Mary"

preceded by a track number, NVDA speaks "March 4th y" instead of "04

Mary".

 

Is there a setting or a dictionary entry I can change to stop this

happening?

 

Thanks

 

Pele West

 

 

 

 

 

 


Re: Pronunciation of phone numbers

 

George,

           You're quite welcome.  I'm curious whether you used Luke's "version one" that did not have the backslash capital D at the end, or his "version two" that did?  Also, did you include the commas in your replacement string, and are they giving an adequate pause between the components of the phone number?

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

It’s hard waking up and realizing it’s not always black and white.

     ~ Kelley Boorn

 


Re: Pronunciation of phone numbers

George McCoy
 

Thanks to Brian and Luke for their help on this. Luke, yours works perfectly for me in all cases.


George

On 9/26/2020 11:01 PM, Luke Davis wrote:
On Sat, 26 Sep 2020, Brian Vogel wrote:

George,Give me a short list of examples that cover the range of formats you need for this to work with and I can tweak the regex.  Trying to explain how is
not something I'm inclined to do, at least not on-group, as it's really off-topic if you get hot and heavy into regular expression syntax.--
Why not just use something like this?  Untested, but it should catch periods, dashes, and spaces.
Replacement uses a comma for pausing.

Regex: \(?(\d)(\d)(\d)\)?[ \.-](\d)(\d)(\d)[ \.-](\d)(\d)(\d)(\d)

Replacement: \1 \2 \3, \4 \5 \6, \7 \8 \9 \10

Luke




Re: Inserting a brief pause, intentionally

 

Giles,

          Your experience meshes with what I remember when playing with this a long while back.  Although screen readers definitely generate speech, they are not dedicated speech generating devices, and thus don't generally have capabilities for "the dramatic pause" built in. Admittedly, the need is relatively rare, but it would be nice if this could be done with ease.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

It’s hard waking up and realizing it’s not always black and white.

     ~ Kelley Boorn

 


Re: Inserting a brief pause, intentionally

Giles Turnbull
 

I suspect it is synth-specific as to how much pause you get. I asked about something similar a couple of years ago (though can't find the question now) because I sometimes use NVDA to read poems that I have written but haven't memorised.

The only lengths of pause I can get with the two synth voices I use - SAPI5 Zira and Sapi5 Hazel - are the pause for a comma and the pause for a full stop / period. A semicolon seems to pause for the same length as a comma, and a dash doesn't pause at all.

I was hoping to find a way to combine pauses, such as a full stop followed by a comma to pause for a full stop and a half, or two full stops being double the length of one full stop ... but that just doesn't work!

when I did an audiobook of my first poetry pamphlet I went into a recording studio and recorded half of the poems read by me from memory, and the other half using SAPI5 Hazel. The benefit of doing that was, for the few times I wanted a bit extra pause, I could edit the mp3 file to insert an extra quarter or half second of pause. That sadly doesn't allow adjusting the pauses for real-time NVDA use.

I encountered a similar problem with a pair of Orcam glasses I used to own. They also pause for commas and pause longer for full stops, but that's as far as it goes.

Giles

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