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Re: Question: NVDA Silent When First Opening Word and When Initiating the Save Dialog

 

hi.
about libreoffice i can say i observed since version 5.0 rarely and
5.1 all the time specially.
with 5.1 of libreoffice for this reason and very change in its menus,
i was not comfortable!

On 8/28/16, Brian's Mail list account <bglists@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
Yes seen this and also on Libra Office as well. I think its some kind of
timing thing as not always does it happen on all machines. I found that by

changing the speed slow down in idle of the processor its a lot better. I
now also get a similar issue at times in firefox where I have to hit alt and

escape to get the page to read.

Its not just confined to nvda either, dolphin screenreaders do a similar
thing.

If anyone has a cast iron fix for these missing events or slow catching up

then feel free to say them. My newest machine with 8 gigs of memory seems to

be imune to it.
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From: "David Goldfield" <david.goldfield@outlook.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2016 4:47 AM
Subject: [nvda] Question: NVDA Silent When First Opening Word and When
Initiating the Save Dialog


The observation I'd like to ask about occurs on my desktop PC running
Windows 10 Anniversary Edition but I also notice similar behavior on a
Windows 7 laptop. The desktop has Office 2016 installed and the laptop
has Office 2013.

When I first open Word NVDA is often silent, rather than speaking the
title of the program which has gained focus. In other words, the
expected behavior is that, once Word opens and gains focus, NVDA would
verify this by speaking the title of the window, such as "document 1,
Microsoft Word." However, when opening Word after the system has booted
this does not happen. NVDA is silent and pressing insert+T just reads
"winword." At this point, if I move focus away from and then back to the
document window NVDA reads the title as expected. As an example, if I
press the alt key once to move to the ribbon and then a second time to
return to the document I will hear "Document 1, Microsoft Word."
Subsequent attempts to open Word usually cause NVDA to behave as
expected and the title of the document window is automatically spoken.

Along the same lines, I see similar behavior when attempting to save a
document by pressing ctrl+S. When I press this key, the "save" dialog
loads but NVDA is totally silent. If I press the alt key twice, NVDA
then confirms that I am in the dialog. Another NVDA user brought this up
during a recent computer users' group that I moderate and so I decided
to post these experiences to this group to see if others have observed
similar behavior. I'm wondering if an open ticket exists for this bug on
Github.



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Re: ASSISTANCE OR ADVICE

Antony Stone
 

http://appadvice.com/applists/show/fun-apps-for-blind-and-visually-impaired
looks like a useful list, if you haven't found it already.

However, I think you may be better off asking such a question on a more iOS-
oriented list such as http://groups.google.com/group/viphone (which I found at
http://blind.wikia.com/wiki/IPhone ) rather than on this Windows-based NVDA
list.

Antony.

On Tuesday 30 August 2016 at 14:41:31, Christo Vorster wrote:

Can anybody advise us on the availability of educational games, or any
other games, that might be suited for the initial introduction of children
aged from 5 to 10 years. Advice on games for teenagers and adults will
also be welcome.

The games must be I-phone or IOS based.
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Re: download NvdA

 

hi.
i advice the direct link for downloading nvda and also donation.
the previous way of downloading of nvda was very great.
because of the direct link download!
i recommend downloading it like donation to libreoffice.
i mean that in libreoffice donation is easier than nvda
please see:
libreoffice.org

On 8/30/16, Brian's Mail list account <bglists@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
I do know there are errors in the spellcheck on some versions of word if you

hit a key which is not actually supposed to be hit, but its a benign error
much like the windows 7 search box ones are.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Quentin Christensen" <quentin@nvaccess.org>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2016 12:24 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] download NvdA


Hi Georgi,

Re downloading NVDA. The reason an e-mail is asked for is both because it
gives an easy way to opt in to our mailing list (which isn't sold or shared
and which is only really posted to when there is actually news to share)
and to help keep track of download statistics. Yes it could be seen as a
little annoying, but to be honest, there are very few programs which don't
ask for this nowdays. Once you have downloaded the program and installed
it, then it automatically checks for updates and prompts to install the new
version without asking for an email address etc again.

Re the snapshots, I'll have to have a look tomorrow - I've been using the
RC build lately - I know there was a bug a few weeks ago where it would
ding at you as if you'd pressed a wrong key, doing many things in Word,
which sounds a bit like you describe - I thought we'd sorted that out but
it could be something else. Are you using the latest snapshot and can you
give a specific example to reproduce it please?

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Mon, Aug 29, 2016 at 8:40 PM, Георги Ламбов <obichamlegiona@gmail.com>
wrote:

Good afternoon group!

I really can't understand why it's necessary to give my e-mail for
downloading NvdA. No program requires this.

Another question concerning: this time the snapshot-versions of NvdA.

I'd like with pleasure to use snapshot-versions of NvdA and on this way
to
give my little contribution for NvdA. But the reason I don't do this is:
the awful sound, which sometimes is to hear during the work with any
snapshot version of NvdA. Believe me: it's really awful and very
unpleasant, and it startles when someone do something and pay attention
on
his work. Well, when this sound is lively necessary for The developers of
NvdA, isn't it possible to find some lower and more pleasant sound?

Georgi





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ASSISTANCE OR ADVICE

Christo Vorster
 

Hi Group

 

The Institute for the Blind, or as it is known after a name change, Kaleidoscope, opened a hightech training centre for the training of vision impaired people, world wide, on I-phone, or IOS based equipment.

 

Of the intended trainees will be the students at the Pioneer School for the Vission Impaired in Worcester, South Africa.

 

Can anybody advise us on the availability of educational games, or any other games, that might be suited for the initial introduction of children aged from 5 to 10 years. Advice on games for teenagers and adults will also be welcome.

 

The games must be I-phone or IOS based. If the games are free, it will be fantastic, but if not, we’ll buy. The bottom line is just that we need to get such games to use for the introduction of children to the I-phone/IOS environment.

 

I hope that someone will be able to give us some information

 

Regards, and thanks

 

Christo Vorster (Worcester South Africa)

 

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Re: Word 2016

kelby carlson
 

Searbhall,

I don't actually see an option to unblock" in the Word files I'm
looking at. I do see a read-only box which are consistently
un-checked.

On 8/30/16, Cearbhall O'Meadhra <cearbhall.omeadhra@blbc.ie> wrote:
Kelby,



Here is a useful link that describes the "Block Files" system:

https://www.poremsky.com/office/cant-open-office-documents-file-block-settin
gs/



I had exactly this problem a few months ago when I installed Office 2016 on
my PC running Windows 10. I found the solution to do with the trust centre
and with unblocking files in the properties of each file before opening
them. This is different from "protection view" when the document is open. I
did send a note earlier this week on this topic but I expect it was swamped
by other responses.



Can you confirm that the files you are trying to open are blocked or
unblocked in "Properties"?





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Re: Word 2016

Cearbhall O'Meadhra
 

Kelby,

 

Here is a useful link that describes the “Block Files” system:

https://www.poremsky.com/office/cant-open-office-documents-file-block-settings/

 

I had exactly this problem a few months ago when I installed Office 2016 on my PC running Windows 10. I found the solution to do with the trust centre and with unblocking files in the properties of each file before opening them. This is different from “protection view” when the document is open. I did send a note earlier this week on this topic but I expect it was swamped by other responses.

 

Can you confirm that the files you are trying to open are blocked or unblocked in “Properties”?

 

 

All the best,

 

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Re: Word 2016

kelby carlson
 

Brian,

How do I switch between nav and focus mode?

Searbhall,

I have changed the trust center settings but haven't yet looked at the
file properties. I'm on a different computer but will do that later
today.

On 8/30/16, Cearbhall O'Meadhra <cearbhall.omeadhra@blbc.ie> wrote:
Kelby,



I had exactly this problem a few months ago when I installed Office 2016 on
my PC running Windows 10. I found the solution to do with the trust centre
and with unblocking files in the properties of each file before opening
them. This is different from "protection view" when the document is open. I
did send a note earlier this week on this topic but I expect it was swamped
by other responses.



Can you confirm that the files you are trying to open are blocked or
unblocked in "Properties"?





All the best,



Cearbhall



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Re: Word 2016

Cearbhall O'Meadhra
 

Kelby,

 

I had exactly this problem a few months ago when I installed Office 2016 on my PC running Windows 10. I found the solution to do with the trust centre and with unblocking files in the properties of each file before opening them. This is different from “protection view” when the document is open. I did send a note earlier this week on this topic but I expect it was swamped by other responses.

 

Can you confirm that the files you are trying to open are blocked or unblocked in “Properties”?

 

 

All the best,

 

Cearbhall

 

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Re: Has any one done a factory reset on Windows 10 with NVDA?

 

My laptop came with a lot of stuff but I do agree with you.
I got a custom asus board to shove into a case last year and it came all assembled but no os.
When I installed the os, there was a disk of drivers and other junk I installed the drivers only.
However I have a friend that loaded everything including extras.
Sadly its things like office, games, etc, etc and security suites that get a problem going.

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Internet explorer has to be there if its windows 10, as does edge of
course.

I have to admit I'm not a great fan of chain stores supplied computers
as they often come laden with software that are only there to try to
get the user to pay when the trial runs out, all of which can completely
screw up windows when you attempt to remove them.
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Sent: Monday, August 29, 2016 9:11 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Has any one done a factory reset on Windows 10 with
NVDA?


Hi


Yes to mozilla fire fox and google chrome. There is no internet
explorer on her version. I went looking for it but is a shop brough
laptop with 10 on it. unless i missed it some where.



it also does not speak the menus for say note pad microsoft word but yes
i could navigate the start menus all apps etc and file manager etc.


But is is like the buffer is some how buggeree even when bringing up a
webpage, it will not speak the contents of it or even speak the menus
when you go to use them.



gene nz



On 30/08/2016 1:33 AM, Kevin Huber wrote:
Hi Gene:

Since she has Office 10, she could try downloading the version of
Window-eyes that comes free with Microsoft Office, and see if she gets
the same error in Firefox. This will tell her whether or not the
problem lies in the Screenreader.
The website for this software is:
www.windoweyesforoffice.com.

By the way, does the phenominon that you describe happen when using
NVDA with either Internet Explorer or Chrome?

On 8/29/16, Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@outlook.co.nz> wrote:
Hi guys


I was wondering if any one on this list has done a factory reset for
windows 10 with NVDA?

A lady i am trying to help has a copy of Windows 10 on it with the
latest version of NVDA 2016.2.1


When she tries to go into mozilla fire fox which is online she can see
the page has loaded, but NVDA will speak nothing on the screen it just
says unknown. Even tabing etc does nothing.

NVDA will not even speak the menus up the top either.


She gets the same sort of result with mozilla thunderbird. when you tab
it just says unknown etc and the menus do not speak either.


I noticed in some programs NVDA will not speak the menus or may speak a
little of them.


I can tab around the desktop, but down on the taskbar it might say
unknown or when you get to the desktop it will speak what is there.


I have done the usual and uninstalled NVDA and also removed the
settings
for the %appdata% section as well. Restarted NVDA etc and even done a
system restore but it will only let me go so far back.


She is running a lap top i think it is and I am not sure if I reset it
to factory defaults does it go back to where you have to specify your
drive etc like I done on a brand new lap top one time or will it load
with Windows? then it is a matter of putting NVDA back onto the lap
top?


I have also done a factory reset on NVdA etc, but am running out of
ideas. By the way i was able to remote into her pc to see what is
happening but looks like the nvda.ini file might be corrupted.

Could i copy a good nvda.ini file to the usb stick and move it across
and fix it this way by over riding the nvda.ini file under the
%appdata%
section.


She does have a computer running Xp of which I can email to with a
working copy of NVDA and move it across with a usb stick.

I have tried with a fresh copy of NVDA etc and done it this way, but
looks like it is still having the problem.
I have also renamed the nvda.ini file to old then put nvda onto it,
but it still seems the same.

The lap top has internet access, but is unuseable to use the browser or
emails.

Would copying a working nvda.ini file from a good pc to the other one
then over riding the file maybe fix the problem?

Any ideas apart from a reformat would be good.

Gene nz

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Re: nvda 2016.3 RC1:

Quentin Christensen
 

I'll have a look - can anyone else using RC2 and Firefox confirm that firefox menus won't read? or advise that it's working for them?

On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 6:14 PM, Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...> wrote:
I used it yesterday, but twice had a strange thing on Firefox on windows 7.
For no apparent reason none of the menues would read, only the address bar titles. Rebooting nvda fixed it for a bit, then it went away again. Could be my copy is corrupted of course as i see no issues withe next or master versions installed or portable.
No errors are there though as has been said the rc 2 has the error buzz turned off.
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Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2016 5:46 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda 2016.3 RC1:


Hi Kenny,

Apologies for the late reply but NVDA 2016.3 RC2 is now available.  More
info on the changes and link to download at:
http://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2016-3rc2-released/

Kind regards

Quentin.


On Mon, Aug 22, 2016 at 1:51 AM, Kenny Peyattt jr. <p.wildcat1234@...>
wrote:

                                Hi when does the release canadate for
nvda 2016.3 come out?

Kenny Peyatt jr.



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Re: nvda 2016.3 RC1:

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I used it yesterday, but twice had a strange thing on Firefox on windows 7.
For no apparent reason none of the menues would read, only the address bar titles. Rebooting nvda fixed it for a bit, then it went away again. Could be my copy is corrupted of course as i see no issues withe next or master versions installed or portable.
No errors are there though as has been said the rc 2 has the error buzz turned off.
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Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2016 5:46 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda 2016.3 RC1:


Hi Kenny,

Apologies for the late reply but NVDA 2016.3 RC2 is now available. More
info on the changes and link to download at:
http://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2016-3rc2-released/

Kind regards

Quentin.


On Mon, Aug 22, 2016 at 1:51 AM, Kenny Peyattt jr. <p.wildcat1234@gmail.com>
wrote:

Hi when does the release canadate for
nvda 2016.3 come out?

Kenny Peyatt jr.



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Re: Has any one done a factory reset on Windows 10 with NVDA?

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What can happen is that say 2010 is on the system, on 10 it has a thing called get office which offers you the latest or 365 to try, you do this hate it and remove it then the problems start.
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Sent: Monday, August 29, 2016 9:52 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Has any one done a factory reset on Windows 10 with NVDA?


Installing it is not the problem. I've seen discussions that uninstalling Office causes problems.

Gene
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To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Has any one done a factory reset on Windows 10 with NVDA?


Hi Gene




there was at least one restore point that we could go to and that was the one I chose. so it was picked and you go through the process to restore it. but for some reason it could not do it. There are no other restore points on the machine.




From what I go t told the copy of office 2010 was installed not taken off.




I as you have heard that sometimes a older version of office will do this i guess more maybe if unsupported. I could see if when it was installed it caused it but it should not as I have the same version here.




gene nz






On 29/08/2016 10:09 PM, Gene wrote:

You said that someone put a version of Word on the computer. Was it uninstalled at any time? I'm quite sure I've seen discussions on this list about uninstalling office causing accessibility problems.

As far as running a restore point is concerned, if office or Word was uninstalled, is there at least one restore point from a time before the uninstallation? If so, you could try running it and just leave Office on the machine.

Gene



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Re: Has any one done a factory reset on Windows 10 with NVDA?

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Internet explorer has to be there if its windows 10, as does edge of course.

I have to admit I'm not a great fan of chain stores supplied computers as they often come laden with software that are only there to try to get the user to pay when the trial runs out, all of which can completely screw up windows when you attempt to remove them.
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Sent: Monday, August 29, 2016 9:11 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Has any one done a factory reset on Windows 10 with NVDA?


Hi


Yes to mozilla fire fox and google chrome. There is no internet
explorer on her version. I went looking for it but is a shop brough
laptop with 10 on it. unless i missed it some where.



it also does not speak the menus for say note pad microsoft word but yes
i could navigate the start menus all apps etc and file manager etc.


But is is like the buffer is some how buggeree even when bringing up a
webpage, it will not speak the contents of it or even speak the menus
when you go to use them.



gene nz



On 30/08/2016 1:33 AM, Kevin Huber wrote:
Hi Gene:

Since she has Office 10, she could try downloading the version of
Window-eyes that comes free with Microsoft Office, and see if she gets
the same error in Firefox. This will tell her whether or not the
problem lies in the Screenreader.
The website for this software is:
www.windoweyesforoffice.com.

By the way, does the phenominon that you describe happen when using
NVDA with either Internet Explorer or Chrome?

On 8/29/16, Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@outlook.co.nz> wrote:
Hi guys


I was wondering if any one on this list has done a factory reset for
windows 10 with NVDA?

A lady i am trying to help has a copy of Windows 10 on it with the
latest version of NVDA 2016.2.1


When she tries to go into mozilla fire fox which is online she can see
the page has loaded, but NVDA will speak nothing on the screen it just
says unknown. Even tabing etc does nothing.

NVDA will not even speak the menus up the top either.


She gets the same sort of result with mozilla thunderbird. when you tab
it just says unknown etc and the menus do not speak either.


I noticed in some programs NVDA will not speak the menus or may speak a
little of them.


I can tab around the desktop, but down on the taskbar it might say
unknown or when you get to the desktop it will speak what is there.


I have done the usual and uninstalled NVDA and also removed the settings
for the %appdata% section as well. Restarted NVDA etc and even done a
system restore but it will only let me go so far back.


She is running a lap top i think it is and I am not sure if I reset it
to factory defaults does it go back to where you have to specify your
drive etc like I done on a brand new lap top one time or will it load
with Windows? then it is a matter of putting NVDA back onto the lap top?


I have also done a factory reset on NVdA etc, but am running out of
ideas. By the way i was able to remote into her pc to see what is
happening but looks like the nvda.ini file might be corrupted.

Could i copy a good nvda.ini file to the usb stick and move it across
and fix it this way by over riding the nvda.ini file under the %appdata%
section.


She does have a computer running Xp of which I can email to with a
working copy of NVDA and move it across with a usb stick.

I have tried with a fresh copy of NVDA etc and done it this way, but
looks like it is still having the problem.
I have also renamed the nvda.ini file to old then put nvda onto it,
but it still seems the same.

The lap top has internet access, but is unuseable to use the browser or
emails.

Would copying a working nvda.ini file from a good pc to the other one
then over riding the file maybe fix the problem?

Any ideas apart from a reformat would be good.

Gene nz

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Re: having trouble signing into my gmail account

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This happens sometimes I have found maybe it skips to the wrong field and only gets part of the password, then it will stop you logging in for a time.
Brian

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Sent: Monday, August 29, 2016 5:43 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] having trouble signing into my gmail account


Hi, Gene,


I just tried what you suggested and it worked. Somehow I was
accidentally locked out of my account. Thanks to everyone who helped.


Rosemarie




On 8/29/2016 9:40 AM, Gene wrote:
I gave you a procedure to follow in case something in the way NVDA or
you are working on the web page is activating the wrong item. Please
look at my instructions again. You will see that they are for trying
to log in using your account.
Gene
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*From:* Rosemarie Chavarria <mailto:knitqueen2007@gmail.com>
*Sent:* Monday, August 29, 2016 11:35 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] having trouble signing into my gmail account

Hi, Gene,


I don't want to create an account. I want to sign in to the gmail
account I already have.


Rosemarie




On 8/29/2016 9:12 AM, Gene wrote:
Then suggestions such as deleting the browser cache won't help. If
more than one browser has the same behavior, both browsers won't have
a corrupted browser cache.
Is this what happens? You go to the site and the page comes up where
you enter your GMail address. Then when you activate the next
button, you are taken to the create an account page.
If that is what is happening do the following just as I describe and
see what happens:
In forms mode, type your e-mail address.
Tab once. If you go out of forms mode, go back in. Read the current
line to make sure you are still on the next button. Press the space
bar if you are. Don't press enter.
Some problem may be causing the create account link to be activated,
not the next button.
Gene
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*From:* Rosemarie Chavarria <mailto:knitqueen2007@gmail.com>
*Sent:* Monday, August 29, 2016 11:01 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] having trouble signing into my gmail account

Been there, done that.




On 8/29/2016 9:01 AM, Gene wrote:
Also, did you try signing in with more than one browser? If you
have more than one browser, that should be one of the first things
you try wqhen something unexpected happens. You can try various
things to solve the problem but if another browser works properly,
you may save time and trouble.
Gene
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*From:* Rosemarie Chavarria <mailto:knitqueen2007@gmail.com>
*Sent:* Monday, August 29, 2016 10:44 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] having trouble signing into my gmail account

I'm taken to the create an account link instead of the edit box where
I'd type in my password.




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Subject: [nvda] having trouble signing into my gmail account


Hi, everyone,


I want to make another lavbel for an email list I joined recently
but
I can't find the place for signing in to my gmail account. I know my
email address and password but when I try to sign in, I'm taken to
"create an account" instead of the edit box where I'd type in my
password. Please help in this matter.


Thanks in advance.


Rosemarie









Re: having trouble signing into my gmail account

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If you sign in and then try to sign in again does this take you to the create account page as well?
I was just wondering if its silently logging you in in the first place. Brian

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I'm taken to the create an account link instead of the edit box where I'd type in my password.




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Hi, everyone,


I want to make another lavbel for an email list I joined recently but I can't find the place for signing in to my gmail account. I know my email address and password but when I try to sign in, I'm taken to "create an account" instead of the edit box where I'd type in my password. Please help in this matter.


Thanks in advance.


Rosemarie








Re: Explorer crashes and nvda

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Yes, but we are talking about Explorer,ie the part of windows used to display the desktop and the folders etc.

I was advised to turn off any kind of display effects such as aero and animations,something i'm still playing with, but until it happens again its hard to say if its cured it ornot. Very hard to find such odball weirdnesses.
You used to get something similar in Outlook express on XP where email contents did not load and trying to start a new emal said it had not loaded and memory was short, closing OE and reopening fixed it. Interestingly the new version of OE that can be run on 7and later has retained this problem, so its obviously the program itself. However it never crashes under other screenreaders, so often the bizzarre interactions between access software and the runing programs are very hard to pin down.
That is the way I see the explorer crash as well. Its a great pity that nvda cannot realise its lost the software its reading and tell you that explorer has died rather than just going into sulk mode till explorer reboots, which it will only do when you actiion the screen about it which nvda won't read as its frozen in stack.

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Sent: Monday, August 29, 2016 3:11 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Explorer crashes and nvda


Hi Brian:

I am running Windows 7 and I have noticed this phominon or something
like it when I open Internet Explorer. Sometimes, if I wait for long
enogh, Internet Explorer comes back, which suggests that what may be
happening is that Internet Explorer is taking a verry long time to
load. Sometimes, however, when I get tired of waiting, I just restart
NVDA and it seems to work fine after that.
Kevin Huber

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I have noticed in Windows 7 and probably above that Explorer seems to just
stop working. When this happens nvda is totally silent, one supposes due to

there being no desktop or folders open. It does not even read the page about

sending error reports it seems, just shuts up in mid word.
My first question is. Is this an nvda issue or just Windows being windows.
I have noted on various sites that Explorer can crash if multiple folders
and software is all open at the same time, particularly if one of the Aero
schemes are selected for the display.
However, it would be nice if somehow nvda could actually alert one to this

sort of crash, which by pressing keys in a manic fashion I seemed to manage

to get out of but quite how is a bit of a mystery.
I do have a very long log of this, but I'll only post it or a link to it if

anyone is interested. I'm merely asking if the advice to use windows 7 basic

scheme will fix it and whether its best to close folders which are open but

no longer needed. I tend to set up all mchines to not open the folders in
the same window as it makes it easier to cut and paste files that way.
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Re: download NvdA

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I do know there are errors in the spellcheck on some versions of word if you hit a key which is not actually supposed to be hit, but its a benign error much like the windows 7 search box ones are.
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Sent: Monday, August 29, 2016 12:24 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] download NvdA


Hi Georgi,

Re downloading NVDA. The reason an e-mail is asked for is both because it
gives an easy way to opt in to our mailing list (which isn't sold or shared
and which is only really posted to when there is actually news to share)
and to help keep track of download statistics. Yes it could be seen as a
little annoying, but to be honest, there are very few programs which don't
ask for this nowdays. Once you have downloaded the program and installed
it, then it automatically checks for updates and prompts to install the new
version without asking for an email address etc again.

Re the snapshots, I'll have to have a look tomorrow - I've been using the
RC build lately - I know there was a bug a few weeks ago where it would
ding at you as if you'd pressed a wrong key, doing many things in Word,
which sounds a bit like you describe - I thought we'd sorted that out but
it could be something else. Are you using the latest snapshot and can you
give a specific example to reproduce it please?

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Mon, Aug 29, 2016 at 8:40 PM, Георги Ламбов <obichamlegiona@gmail.com>
wrote:

Good afternoon group!

I really can't understand why it's necessary to give my e-mail for
downloading NvdA. No program requires this.

Another question concerning: this time the snapshot-versions of NvdA.

I'd like with pleasure to use snapshot-versions of NvdA and on this way to
give my little contribution for NvdA. But the reason I don't do this is:
the awful sound, which sometimes is to hear during the work with any
snapshot version of NvdA. Believe me: it's really awful and very
unpleasant, and it startles when someone do something and pay attention on
his work. Well, when this sound is lively necessary for The developers of
NvdA, isn't it possible to find some lower and more pleasant sound?

Georgi





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Re: Has any one done a factory reset on Windows 10 with NVDA?

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Yes and restart nvda. However I fear this is not the issue here from what has been explained so far.
It certainly sounds like something is stopping nvda from seeing events and hence reading stuff.
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Sent: Monday, August 29, 2016 12:06 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Has any one done a factory reset on Windows 10 with NVDA?


As the NVDA.Ini file is text, you could use the push clipboard feature of the remote add-on to paste a good version into the ini file on the remote computer.

Cheers
Chris

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene New Zealand
Sent: 29 August 2016 06:12
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Has any one done a factory reset on Windows 10 with NVDA?

Hi guys


I was wondering if any one on this list has done a factory reset for windows 10 with NVDA?

A lady i am trying to help has a copy of Windows 10 on it with the latest version of NVDA 2016.2.1


When she tries to go into mozilla fire fox which is online she can see
the page has loaded, but NVDA will speak nothing on the screen it just
says unknown. Even tabing etc does nothing.

NVDA will not even speak the menus up the top either.


She gets the same sort of result with mozilla thunderbird. when you tab
it just says unknown etc and the menus do not speak either.


I noticed in some programs NVDA will not speak the menus or may speak a
little of them.


I can tab around the desktop, but down on the taskbar it might say
unknown or when you get to the desktop it will speak what is there.


I have done the usual and uninstalled NVDA and also removed the settings
for the %appdata% section as well. Restarted NVDA etc and even done a
system restore but it will only let me go so far back.


She is running a lap top i think it is and I am not sure if I reset it
to factory defaults does it go back to where you have to specify your
drive etc like I done on a brand new lap top one time or will it load
with Windows? then it is a matter of putting NVDA back onto the lap top?


I have also done a factory reset on NVdA etc, but am running out of
ideas. By the way i was able to remote into her pc to see what is
happening but looks like the nvda.ini file might be corrupted.

Could i copy a good nvda.ini file to the usb stick and move it across
and fix it this way by over riding the nvda.ini file under the %appdata%
section.


She does have a computer running Xp of which I can email to with a
working copy of NVDA and move it across with a usb stick.

I have tried with a fresh copy of NVDA etc and done it this way, but
looks like it is still having the problem.
I have also renamed the nvda.ini file to old then put nvda onto it,
but it still seems the same.

The lap top has internet access, but is unuseable to use the browser or
emails.

Would copying a working nvda.ini file from a good pc to the other one
then over riding the file maybe fix the problem?

Any ideas apart from a reformat would be good.

Gene nz

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Re: Word 2016

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Can you toggle between nav and focus mode as you should be able to in Word now?

I think the only way to solve this might be to find a small file that shows the problem which is not personal, so to speak, and let the folk here have a try with it and see what comes up The first thing to try is if it affects everybody or not, at least then you might get an idea of where the issue is. I unfortunately use an older version of Word, so cannot really help but others use a variety so probably can.

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Sent: Monday, August 29, 2016 11:59 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Word 2016


1) The files aren't opening in protected view; I changed that in the
options immediately.

2) i will have to check this one out; i'm not sure about it, but it's
happening for every older word file so I doubt that's the answer.

3) No, the files are definitely opening in Word; JAWS and NVDA both
indicate that. But I am not able to move around at all, either between
panes or in the window. While the Word file is open and in focus,
pressing any key does absolutely nothing.

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Are these files definitely opening on word. I know the word file viewer
often set up as default in windows 10 is just a picture of the text so does

not actually work. Might be worth checking what file extensions are on the
old files and seeing which program is set to open them by default I found
this rather annoying step coming up all the time in Windows 10, instead of
it using word to open all formats it could, it was all over the place and
needed me to go in and change things for ages. Who thought this one up?
Brian

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Sent: Monday, August 29, 2016 2:06 AM
Subject: [nvda] Word 2016


All,

I just received a new laptop with MS Office 2016. I am able to create
and save new Word documents effectively. However when I open Word
documents transferred over from my old PC, NVDA seems not to read
them. The documents open, but NVDA will not read anything within the
document. Using the navigation keys does nothing; neither does
pressing the alt key to open the ribbons.

I do not know if this is an MS Word problem or an NVDA problem. Has
anyone else experienced this? Are their solutions?






Re: download NvdA

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Well, basically you need to give your email address so the writers can tell what part of the world and who is downloading it. You do not have to give the main one if you don't want to, a disposable one is enough. Monitoring who is using and on what sort of system is needed to help get companies to also give funding of course and to help taylor the software to the needs it is put to.

I do feel the download page is a little difficult though as I've said before. there is just one little radio button to uncheck to not go to the donate and enable the download.

The whole point of the error buzz in snaps is to alert. I suppose one could make it turn offable, but then snapshots are not release versions and you can always use the finished or rc versions, not the rc snaps, to avoid the sound. As I mentioneed before its main annoyance is in windows 7 search where it sounds a lot, but the actual error is well known and in my view could be selectively removed as many others have already been.

I do use snaps a lot of the time and in the main the few times it pops up does not worry me.
Brian

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Sent: Monday, August 29, 2016 11:40 AM
Subject: [nvda] download NvdA


Good afternoon group!

I really can't understand why it's necessary to give my e-mail for downloading NvdA. No program requires this.

Another question concerning: this time the snapshot-versions of NvdA.

I'd like with pleasure to use snapshot-versions of NvdA and on this way to give my little contribution for NvdA. But the reason I don't do this is: the awful sound, which sometimes is to hear during the work with any snapshot version of NvdA. Believe me: it's really awful and very unpleasant, and it startles when someone do something and pay attention on his work. Well, when this sound is lively necessary for The developers of NvdA, isn't it possible to find some lower and more pleasant sound?

Georgi