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locked TOR Browser Accessibility with NVDA

Carlos Medrano
 

Hello All,


I am new here, so I apologize in advance if I am sending this to the wrong place.


I am using Windows 10 2004 with NVDA 2020.2 and downloaded the latest stable version of the TOR browser at (https://www.torproject.org), which is based on Mozilla Firefox 78.3.0ESR.


When navigating the part of the browser that normally has the web content, NVDA just says "unknown." Has anybody had a similar issue and been able to solve it? If not I will file a bug with the TOR Browser developers to look into it.


Many thanks,


Carlos


Re: web sites detecting a screen reader

Sean Murphy
 

I am not currently aware if any windows browser exposes the API you referenced in your email below. A lot of companies would like to get their hands on these metrics. The accessibility community is quite against this practise. For the simple bases, you are not developing web technology to support all users or in other words you are not using Human Centred design. The biggest fear comes from the old days of only text-only web pages built for screen readers. Technology today has the ability of supporting everyone, if best practises are used.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Sunday, 11 October 2020 12:51 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] web sites detecting a screen reader

 

Hi,

Ultimately, it is up to operating systems (such as Windows) to reveal this information to web browsers. On Windows, screen readers can inform Windows that they are active through a Windows API function named SystemParametersInfo (part of user32.dll), which is meant to be used by apps to adjust their workings, and I bet web browsers can expose this information to web authoring engines. Because this is a website-specific thing, I think it would be best to ask web authors to adjust their interfaces on the fly or add a box to suppress this (that last bit will be cleared if you delete web cookies).

To expand upon the API discussion: a few weeks ago some NVDA users working on PowerShell said an alert about PSReadline was issued at startup. A conversation with PowerShell team at Microsoft revealed that this is due to screen reader flag detection, which ironically uses the same Windows API function mentioned above (the difference is which flags are passed into modify system parameters globally). Apparently this was in response to reports that PSReadline module (used for cursor movement, editing and such) wasn’t working well with older NVDA releases, and I advised Microsoft to test PSReadline with newer NVDA releases.

As for web accessibility and screen reader detection on the web, an ongoing discussion between web standards stakeholders (web authors, browser vendors, assistive technology vendors, standards bodies, academics, and such) deals with how should software interpret seemingly conflicting ARIA (Accessible Rich Internet Applications) specifications. For example, should screen readers enter application/focus mode automatically when encountering what is essentially a web dialog, or how should screen readers announce form field descriptions and such. Making matters complicated is the speed of web development as you will find yourself meeting new browser releases every six weeks, and that “web standards implementations” on PC’s have pretty much became a battle between Mozilla on one side and Google and friends across the court. At first glance, NVDA may appear to provide the same experience, but trust me: there are internal differences between what Firefox says versus what Chromium family tells you (which, by the way, extends to how NVDA supports accessibility API’s, which merits a separate discussion; I’ll take a stab at giving you a tour of such topics if requested).

Cheers,

Joseph

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Don H
Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2020 5:12 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] web sites detecting a screen reader

 

OK I am a strong believer in using Google to find answers before I ask one here.  Giving me the term SR flag did not help much in resolving this issue.  I tried all kinds of searches using SR flag and got nothing.  Maybe you can be a little more helpful in hiding the screen reader from web pages.

On 10/10/2020 6:59 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi,

That magic term is “sr flag”.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2020 4:07 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] web sites detecting a screen reader

 

Don,

          I don't think you can stop the websites, but I could swear that it was recently discussed that you can put screen readers, and I think it was NVDA in particular, into "stealth mode" at startup so that whatever flag it is that the screen reader sets/waves to tell software looking for it that it's present is not set.  But I'll be darned if I can remember the magic search term to find that discussion.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

It’s hard waking up and realizing it’s not always black and white.

     ~ Kelley Boorn

 


Re: NVDA losing focus

 

Well I wander if nvda latest rc works on the latest water fox 2020.09, I have been having a lot of webpage crash issues which have not happened on 08.

I am quite busy this week but the beta did crash with my amd system so who knows.

08 is fine for me but even so.



On 11/10/2020 4:21 pm, Brian Vogel wrote:
Given that the 2020.3 release candidate 1 NVDA is available, I'd suggest uninstalling your 2020.2 and then installing 2020.3rc1.  Barring any real surprises, the release candidate 1 will be transitioning to actual 2020.3.

It's been very stable on my machine, even during the betas.

--

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It’s hard waking up and realizing it’s not always black and white.

     ~ Kelley Boorn

 


Re: NVDA losing focus

 

Given that the 2020.3 release candidate 1 NVDA is available, I'd suggest uninstalling your 2020.2 and then installing 2020.3rc1.  Barring any real surprises, the release candidate 1 will be transitioning to actual 2020.3.

It's been very stable on my machine, even during the betas.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

It’s hard waking up and realizing it’s not always black and white.

     ~ Kelley Boorn

 


Re: web sites detecting a screen reader

 

Hi,

Ultimately, it is up to operating systems (such as Windows) to reveal this information to web browsers. On Windows, screen readers can inform Windows that they are active through a Windows API function named SystemParametersInfo (part of user32.dll), which is meant to be used by apps to adjust their workings, and I bet web browsers can expose this information to web authoring engines. Because this is a website-specific thing, I think it would be best to ask web authors to adjust their interfaces on the fly or add a box to suppress this (that last bit will be cleared if you delete web cookies).

To expand upon the API discussion: a few weeks ago some NVDA users working on PowerShell said an alert about PSReadline was issued at startup. A conversation with PowerShell team at Microsoft revealed that this is due to screen reader flag detection, which ironically uses the same Windows API function mentioned above (the difference is which flags are passed into modify system parameters globally). Apparently this was in response to reports that PSReadline module (used for cursor movement, editing and such) wasn’t working well with older NVDA releases, and I advised Microsoft to test PSReadline with newer NVDA releases.

As for web accessibility and screen reader detection on the web, an ongoing discussion between web standards stakeholders (web authors, browser vendors, assistive technology vendors, standards bodies, academics, and such) deals with how should software interpret seemingly conflicting ARIA (Accessible Rich Internet Applications) specifications. For example, should screen readers enter application/focus mode automatically when encountering what is essentially a web dialog, or how should screen readers announce form field descriptions and such. Making matters complicated is the speed of web development as you will find yourself meeting new browser releases every six weeks, and that “web standards implementations” on PC’s have pretty much became a battle between Mozilla on one side and Google and friends across the court. At first glance, NVDA may appear to provide the same experience, but trust me: there are internal differences between what Firefox says versus what Chromium family tells you (which, by the way, extends to how NVDA supports accessibility API’s, which merits a separate discussion; I’ll take a stab at giving you a tour of such topics if requested).

Cheers,

Joseph

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Don H
Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2020 5:12 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] web sites detecting a screen reader

 

OK I am a strong believer in using Google to find answers before I ask one here.  Giving me the term SR flag did not help much in resolving this issue.  I tried all kinds of searches using SR flag and got nothing.  Maybe you can be a little more helpful in hiding the screen reader from web pages.

On 10/10/2020 6:59 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi,

That magic term is “sr flag”.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2020 4:07 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] web sites detecting a screen reader

 

Don,

          I don't think you can stop the websites, but I could swear that it was recently discussed that you can put screen readers, and I think it was NVDA in particular, into "stealth mode" at startup so that whatever flag it is that the screen reader sets/waves to tell software looking for it that it's present is not set.  But I'll be darned if I can remember the magic search term to find that discussion.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

It’s hard waking up and realizing it’s not always black and white.

     ~ Kelley Boorn

 


Re: web sites detecting a screen reader

 

Don,

        Using the actual archive search is easier in this case than using a Google search, though when I use Google with the archive's site operator:

site:nvda.groups.io/g/nvda

along with "sr flag" I do get one result.

Here's the actual Groups.io archive search for same, which gives you the three topics, including this one, with "sr flag" or "sr-flag" in them:  https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda/search?q=sr+flag 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

It’s hard waking up and realizing it’s not always black and white.

     ~ Kelley Boorn

 


Re: web sites detecting a screen reader

Don H
 

OK I am a strong believer in using Google to find answers before I ask one here.  Giving me the term SR flag did not help much in resolving this issue.  I tried all kinds of searches using SR flag and got nothing.  Maybe you can be a little more helpful in hiding the screen reader from web pages.

On 10/10/2020 6:59 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi,

That magic term is “sr flag”.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2020 4:07 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] web sites detecting a screen reader

 

Don,

          I don't think you can stop the websites, but I could swear that it was recently discussed that you can put screen readers, and I think it was NVDA in particular, into "stealth mode" at startup so that whatever flag it is that the screen reader sets/waves to tell software looking for it that it's present is not set.  But I'll be darned if I can remember the magic search term to find that discussion.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

It’s hard waking up and realizing it’s not always black and white.

     ~ Kelley Boorn

 


Re: web sites detecting a screen reader

 

Hi,

That magic term is “sr flag”.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2020 4:07 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] web sites detecting a screen reader

 

Don,

          I don't think you can stop the websites, but I could swear that it was recently discussed that you can put screen readers, and I think it was NVDA in particular, into "stealth mode" at startup so that whatever flag it is that the screen reader sets/waves to tell software looking for it that it's present is not set.  But I'll be darned if I can remember the magic search term to find that discussion.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

It’s hard waking up and realizing it’s not always black and white.

     ~ Kelley Boorn

 


Re: web sites detecting a screen reader

 

Don,

          I don't think you can stop the websites, but I could swear that it was recently discussed that you can put screen readers, and I think it was NVDA in particular, into "stealth mode" at startup so that whatever flag it is that the screen reader sets/waves to tell software looking for it that it's present is not set.  But I'll be darned if I can remember the magic search term to find that discussion.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

It’s hard waking up and realizing it’s not always black and white.

     ~ Kelley Boorn

 


web sites detecting a screen reader

Don H
 

It seems that more and more web sites are detecting that you have a screen reader and offer some kind of changes to the web site to accommodate a screen reader.  In some cases a message keeps popping up offering these mods and it is very difficult or impossible to turn them

off.

Is there a way to prevent a web page from detecting that you are using a screen reader?


Re: IDLE not accessable with NVDA

Sascha Cowley
 

Unfortunately, tk, the GUI framework that Idle is built with (via Python's tkinter library), has no accessibility support. You will have to use another editor or IDE.
Visual Studio Code is very accessible and has very good Python support via a plugin.


NVDA losing focus

Janet Brandly
 

Hello all,

 

I’m running the last stable release of NVDA, the latest update of Windows 10 and Office 365. For the last few weeks I’ve been having some major problems with NVDA seeming to lose focus. Some examples are when submitting forms on websites, working with Outlook, navigating between different file levels with WE, and occasionally when working with PDF documents. NVDA just stops speaking. If I’m on a website toggling in and out of browse mode doesn’t help. This is very annoying and is slowing me down significantly. I have to alt-tab through open windows until NVDA regains its focus. Any thoughts or suggestions would be much appreciated. I’m doing a pretty demanding online course right now. I’d like to continue using NVDA for this course and when/if I find work, but I’ve got to solve this problem.

 

Thank you,

 

Janet


Re: IDLE not accessable with NVDA

tim
 

Use vs code or notePad ++.
The python idle has never Ben usable.

On 10/10/2020 7:12 AM, Cristina Ebetiuc wrote:
Hi
I can’t use the IDLE (teh DIE which Comes to gehter with Python) with nVDA. The
object Navigation does not work, too. Does anybody have any solution?
Thanks
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Re: NVDA Silent Installation

Chris
 

 

nvda_2020.2.exe --install-silent

 

From: Hicks Steven (CORNWALL IT SERVICES) via groups.io
Sent: 10 October 2020 15:00
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Silent Installation

 

Thanks so much, no spaces?

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris via groups.io
Sent: 07 October 2020 20:38
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Silent Installation

 

--install-silent

 

 

 

From: Hicks Steven (CORNWALL IT SERVICES) via groups.io
Sent: 07 October 2020 20:28
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA Silent Installation

 

Does anyone know the command for a silent installation of NVDA please?

 



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Re: NVDA Silent Installation

Hicks Steven (CORNWALL IT SERVICES) <steven.hicks@...>
 

Thanks so much, no spaces?

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris via groups.io
Sent: 07 October 2020 20:38
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Silent Installation

 

--install-silent

 

 

 

From: Hicks Steven (CORNWALL IT SERVICES) via groups.io
Sent: 07 October 2020 20:28
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA Silent Installation

 

Does anyone know the command for a silent installation of NVDA please?

 



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Re: NVDA and Ivona from nextup.com

Josh Kennedy
 

if you bought them, you should be able to download them as many times as you need. Also, I don't think those voices are SAPI5. I think they only work in the text aloud program. I don't think they work with NVDA.


IDLE not accessable with NVDA

Cristina Ebetiuc <ebetiucristina@...>
 

Hi

I can’t use the IDLE (teh DIE which Comes to gehter with Python) with nVDA. The object Navigation does not work, too. Does anybody have any solution?

Thanks

 

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Re: Windows 10 clipboard manager

Eilana Benish
 

Hello Joseph

I am using Windows 10 apps sentials add on like forever

also I am updating JAWS 2019 to the latest version of 2019 and Soon I may upgrade to the latest version of 2021.

In addition , the windows clipboard saves all the formatting for the copied items . so for example if I am copying from Microsoft Word text with bullets and numbers and also headings and other styles, the windows clipboard manager save them.

 

 



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מאת: ‏‏nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> בשם Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...>
‏‏נשלח: Sunday, October 4, 2020 7:36:23 PM
‏‏אל: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
‏‏נושא: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 clipboard manager
 
Hi,
This is clipboard history, not exactly a clipboard manager to deal with formatting and such.
As for NVDA, try with Windows 10 App Essentials add-on installed (lately I've become this add-on's salesman...).
As for JAWS, if using Widows 10 May 2020 Update (or later), you'll need most recent JAWS 2019 release, or better yet, JAWS 2020 for better functionality and compatibility.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Eilana Benish
Sent: Sunday, October 4, 2020 9:03 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 clipboard manager

I have JAWS 2019 and it's not working there either as expected as far as keyboard navigation. The keyboard focus does not move always to the list of copied items. that is becausw this component it's not made accessible from the ground.
so I am notifying the developers of NVDA community of this issue








ובכבוד רב | Sincerely,
אילנה בניש מורשה נגישות שירות 2200 | Eilana Benish, service Accessibility authorized (2200) ניהול פרויקטים – נגישות ושמישות אינטרנט וטכנולוגיות מידע  | Projects manager – Accessibility & usability on internet and ICT
📱 +972-50-7100367 | 📧 benish.ilana@...

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marten Post Uiterweer
Sent: Sunday, October 4, 2020 4:25 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 clipboard manager

Eilana,

I am using Jaws and it seems to work better with  Jaws.
I have experimented a bit wit NVDA and sometimes after using it and pressing win-v again, it will change speech rate on my computer.
With Jaws I have not seen strange things in my short test.
This will not help you, but maybe something in NVDA causes this.
And yes: there are other clipboardmanagers, but I am not using them.

Regards, Marten

On Sun, 4 Oct 2020 16:00:17 +0300 "Eilana Benish" <benish.ilana@...> wrote:

> Hi Marten
>
> Yes I am using Windows clipboard manager by pressing the winkey plus V
>
> the problem is that the navigation there is not consistent so most of
> the time I cannot navigate through the least of the clipboard items .
>
> Me and some blind friends tested this and we have found the navigation
> there is very difficult and not always we succeed 2 navigate between
> the copied elements
>
> if you have any suggestions to how to do that I would gladly and
> willing to take any advice if there anything I am missing out
>
>
>
>
>
> ??????? ??? ??, 4 ????? 2020 ?-14:49 ??? ?Marten Post Uiterweer?? <?
> martenpu@...??>:?
>
> > Eilana,
> >
> > How are you using the clipboardmanager now?> With what hotkeys?
> > There is a clipboard manager built in to windows, but are you using
> > that manager?
> > You can access the clipboardmanager of windows by pressing win-v and
> > this is good accessible.
> >
> > Probabley you have to turn on this manager.
> > Press win-i and type clipboard and tab around.
> >
> > Regards, Marten
> >
> > On Sun, 4 Oct 2020 13:56:08 +0300 "Eilana Benish"
> > <benish.ilana@...>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > I forgot to mention that I am searching for clipboard manager that
> > > will save the formatting of the text that I am copying from
> > > Microsoft Word for example including links images and anything I
> > > copy to the clipboard  - so NVD a add ONS that I know of don't do
> > > that as far as I know
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ??????? ??? ??, 4 ????? 2020 ?-13:52 ??? ?Eilana Benish?? <?
> > > benish.ilana@...??>:?
> > >
> > > > Hello everybody
> > > >
> > > > it is very important to have clipboard manager on windows 10
> > > >
> > > > But unfortunately the navigation then waiver NVDA is not always
> > > > consistent and therefore makes the use of the clipboard manager
> > > > very inaccessible .
> > > >
> > > > I hope that soon Microsoft or NVD a will fix this issue
> > > >
> > > > and if so please let me know
> > > >
> > > > Also I have tried searching on the web for accessible program
> > > > for clipboard manager and did not find anything that can be
> > > > totally
> > accessible
> > > > with NVDA.
> > > >
> > > > So if any of you knows software for Managing clipboard that is
> > iaccessible
> > > > with NBA I would very much like to know
> > > >
> > > > thanks in advance and keep it safe
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > >
> > > >  *?????? ?? | **Sincerely,*
> > > >
> > > > *????? ???? ????? ?????? ????? 2200 | **Eilana Benish, service
> > > > Accessibility authorized (2200) *
> > > >
> > > > *????? ???????? – ?????? ??????? ??????? ??????????? ???? * *|
> > **Projects
> > > > manager – Accessibility & usability on internet and ICT*
> > > > <https://adn-accesstime.com/2019/02/06/ai-???????/>
> > > > *?? +972-50-7100367 | ?? **benish.ilana@...*
> > > > <benish.ilana@...>
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > >  *?????? ?? | **Sincerely,*
> > >
> > > *????? ???? ????? ?????? ????? 2200 | **Eilana Benish, service
> > > Accessibility authorized (2200) *
> > >
> > > *????? ???????? – ?????? ??????? ??????? ??????????? ???? * *|
> > > **Projects manager – Accessibility & usability on internet and
> > > ICT* <https://adn-accesstime.com/2019/02/06/ai-???????/>
> > > *?? +972-50-7100367 | ?? **benish.ilana@...* <
> > benish.ilana@...>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
>
>  *?????? ?? | **Sincerely,*
>
> *????? ???? ????? ?????? ????? 2200 | **Eilana Benish, service
> Accessibility authorized (2200) *
>
> *????? ???????? – ?????? ??????? ??????? ??????????? ???? * *|
> **Projects manager – Accessibility & usability on internet and ICT*
> <https://adn-accesstime.com/2019/02/06/ai-???????/>
> *?? +972-50-7100367 | ?? **benish.ilana@...*
> <benish.ilana@...>
>
>
>
>
>


















Re: NVDA volume louder on lock screen/secure screens

Louise Pfau
 

Hi.  I'm experiencing the increased volume in the secure screens with NVDA.  I didn't check the box to use the currently saved settings because I find the default settings useful in trying to determine that I'm in the secure screens.  When I checked what soundcard I'm using, the only information I got was "Windows default", which I know isn't really helpful.  My speakers are RealTek.

Louise


Re: Admin's Note, Please Read #adminnotice

 

The group Welcome and Monthly Reminder messages have been update to include the following very near to the beginning of each:

In addition to the NVDA Group Specific rules which follow, all members are expected to adhere to the NVAccess Citizen and Contributor Code of Conduct.  This is for the main NVDA Group and all subgroups.  If you have a grievance against an individual whom you believe to have violated the code of conduct during any interaction on this group, please e-mail us at nvda+owner@nvda.groups.io and the issue will be investigated and addressed promptly and confidentially. 

---------------
Not that I think we're going to have any issues related to this, but I will re-emphasize the "during any interaction on this group" aspect.  If it's in public, or even in private but directly linked to a private response to a message on the group, that's within group administration's purview to handle.  If it's got its origin outside that scope, it's not.

And the kinds of disagreements that are characteristic of adults in general, and that could occasionally occur in "polite company" in real life, do not fall under the Code of Conduct.  It needs to be serious before administrative intervention is called for.
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

It’s hard waking up and realizing it’s not always black and white.

     ~ Kelley Boorn

 

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