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Re: Creating a portable copy of nvda.

 

What do you mean by "and make it autorun"?

If you're looking to have NVDA start up when Windows starts up, it makes very little sense to go with portable rather than installed.

You can, of course, create Startup entries to fire up anything under Windows, but it's really "going around Jake's barn" as the saying goes in the Shenandoah Valley to do this with a program that can handle it all if installed.
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Creating a portable copy of nvda.

Emmanuel Junaid
 

Hey there! I want to ask if it's possible to make a portable copy of nvda in an USB disk and make it autorun?
If yes, what's the process?


locked Re: TOR Browser Accessibility with NVDA

 

As an aside, and for the purposes of comparison and diagnosis, if you happen to be a Brave user you can invoke a private window that uses Tor (ALT+SHIFT+N).

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locked Re: TOR Browser Accessibility with NVDA

Chris
 

Im using the latest Tor with no problem here

 

Are you getting this in other browsers or menus  as well ? as it may indicate another issue

 

From: Carlos Medrano
Sent: 11 October 2020 17:05
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] TOR Browser Accessibility with NVDA

 

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locked TOR Browser Accessibility with NVDA

Carlos Medrano
 

Hello All,


I am new here, so I apologize in advance if I am sending this to the wrong place.


I am using Windows 10 2004 with NVDA 2020.2 and downloaded the latest stable version of the TOR browser at (https://www.torproject.org), which is based on Mozilla Firefox 78.3.0ESR.


When navigating the part of the browser that normally has the web content, NVDA just says "unknown." Has anybody had a similar issue and been able to solve it? If not I will file a bug with the TOR Browser developers to look into it.


Many thanks,


Carlos


Re: web sites detecting a screen reader

Sean Murphy
 

I am not currently aware if any windows browser exposes the API you referenced in your email below. A lot of companies would like to get their hands on these metrics. The accessibility community is quite against this practise. For the simple bases, you are not developing web technology to support all users or in other words you are not using Human Centred design. The biggest fear comes from the old days of only text-only web pages built for screen readers. Technology today has the ability of supporting everyone, if best practises are used.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Sunday, 11 October 2020 12:51 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] web sites detecting a screen reader

 

Hi,

Ultimately, it is up to operating systems (such as Windows) to reveal this information to web browsers. On Windows, screen readers can inform Windows that they are active through a Windows API function named SystemParametersInfo (part of user32.dll), which is meant to be used by apps to adjust their workings, and I bet web browsers can expose this information to web authoring engines. Because this is a website-specific thing, I think it would be best to ask web authors to adjust their interfaces on the fly or add a box to suppress this (that last bit will be cleared if you delete web cookies).

To expand upon the API discussion: a few weeks ago some NVDA users working on PowerShell said an alert about PSReadline was issued at startup. A conversation with PowerShell team at Microsoft revealed that this is due to screen reader flag detection, which ironically uses the same Windows API function mentioned above (the difference is which flags are passed into modify system parameters globally). Apparently this was in response to reports that PSReadline module (used for cursor movement, editing and such) wasn’t working well with older NVDA releases, and I advised Microsoft to test PSReadline with newer NVDA releases.

As for web accessibility and screen reader detection on the web, an ongoing discussion between web standards stakeholders (web authors, browser vendors, assistive technology vendors, standards bodies, academics, and such) deals with how should software interpret seemingly conflicting ARIA (Accessible Rich Internet Applications) specifications. For example, should screen readers enter application/focus mode automatically when encountering what is essentially a web dialog, or how should screen readers announce form field descriptions and such. Making matters complicated is the speed of web development as you will find yourself meeting new browser releases every six weeks, and that “web standards implementations” on PC’s have pretty much became a battle between Mozilla on one side and Google and friends across the court. At first glance, NVDA may appear to provide the same experience, but trust me: there are internal differences between what Firefox says versus what Chromium family tells you (which, by the way, extends to how NVDA supports accessibility API’s, which merits a separate discussion; I’ll take a stab at giving you a tour of such topics if requested).

Cheers,

Joseph

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Don H
Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2020 5:12 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] web sites detecting a screen reader

 

OK I am a strong believer in using Google to find answers before I ask one here.  Giving me the term SR flag did not help much in resolving this issue.  I tried all kinds of searches using SR flag and got nothing.  Maybe you can be a little more helpful in hiding the screen reader from web pages.

On 10/10/2020 6:59 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi,

That magic term is “sr flag”.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2020 4:07 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] web sites detecting a screen reader

 

Don,

          I don't think you can stop the websites, but I could swear that it was recently discussed that you can put screen readers, and I think it was NVDA in particular, into "stealth mode" at startup so that whatever flag it is that the screen reader sets/waves to tell software looking for it that it's present is not set.  But I'll be darned if I can remember the magic search term to find that discussion.

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Re: NVDA losing focus

 

Well I wander if nvda latest rc works on the latest water fox 2020.09, I have been having a lot of webpage crash issues which have not happened on 08.

I am quite busy this week but the beta did crash with my amd system so who knows.

08 is fine for me but even so.



On 11/10/2020 4:21 pm, Brian Vogel wrote:
Given that the 2020.3 release candidate 1 NVDA is available, I'd suggest uninstalling your 2020.2 and then installing 2020.3rc1.  Barring any real surprises, the release candidate 1 will be transitioning to actual 2020.3.

It's been very stable on my machine, even during the betas.

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Re: NVDA losing focus

 

Given that the 2020.3 release candidate 1 NVDA is available, I'd suggest uninstalling your 2020.2 and then installing 2020.3rc1.  Barring any real surprises, the release candidate 1 will be transitioning to actual 2020.3.

It's been very stable on my machine, even during the betas.

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It’s hard waking up and realizing it’s not always black and white.

     ~ Kelley Boorn

 


Re: web sites detecting a screen reader

 

Hi,

Ultimately, it is up to operating systems (such as Windows) to reveal this information to web browsers. On Windows, screen readers can inform Windows that they are active through a Windows API function named SystemParametersInfo (part of user32.dll), which is meant to be used by apps to adjust their workings, and I bet web browsers can expose this information to web authoring engines. Because this is a website-specific thing, I think it would be best to ask web authors to adjust their interfaces on the fly or add a box to suppress this (that last bit will be cleared if you delete web cookies).

To expand upon the API discussion: a few weeks ago some NVDA users working on PowerShell said an alert about PSReadline was issued at startup. A conversation with PowerShell team at Microsoft revealed that this is due to screen reader flag detection, which ironically uses the same Windows API function mentioned above (the difference is which flags are passed into modify system parameters globally). Apparently this was in response to reports that PSReadline module (used for cursor movement, editing and such) wasn’t working well with older NVDA releases, and I advised Microsoft to test PSReadline with newer NVDA releases.

As for web accessibility and screen reader detection on the web, an ongoing discussion between web standards stakeholders (web authors, browser vendors, assistive technology vendors, standards bodies, academics, and such) deals with how should software interpret seemingly conflicting ARIA (Accessible Rich Internet Applications) specifications. For example, should screen readers enter application/focus mode automatically when encountering what is essentially a web dialog, or how should screen readers announce form field descriptions and such. Making matters complicated is the speed of web development as you will find yourself meeting new browser releases every six weeks, and that “web standards implementations” on PC’s have pretty much became a battle between Mozilla on one side and Google and friends across the court. At first glance, NVDA may appear to provide the same experience, but trust me: there are internal differences between what Firefox says versus what Chromium family tells you (which, by the way, extends to how NVDA supports accessibility API’s, which merits a separate discussion; I’ll take a stab at giving you a tour of such topics if requested).

Cheers,

Joseph

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Don H
Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2020 5:12 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] web sites detecting a screen reader

 

OK I am a strong believer in using Google to find answers before I ask one here.  Giving me the term SR flag did not help much in resolving this issue.  I tried all kinds of searches using SR flag and got nothing.  Maybe you can be a little more helpful in hiding the screen reader from web pages.

On 10/10/2020 6:59 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi,

That magic term is “sr flag”.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2020 4:07 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] web sites detecting a screen reader

 

Don,

          I don't think you can stop the websites, but I could swear that it was recently discussed that you can put screen readers, and I think it was NVDA in particular, into "stealth mode" at startup so that whatever flag it is that the screen reader sets/waves to tell software looking for it that it's present is not set.  But I'll be darned if I can remember the magic search term to find that discussion.

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It’s hard waking up and realizing it’s not always black and white.

     ~ Kelley Boorn

 


Re: web sites detecting a screen reader

 

Don,

        Using the actual archive search is easier in this case than using a Google search, though when I use Google with the archive's site operator:

site:nvda.groups.io/g/nvda

along with "sr flag" I do get one result.

Here's the actual Groups.io archive search for same, which gives you the three topics, including this one, with "sr flag" or "sr-flag" in them:  https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda/search?q=sr+flag 
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It’s hard waking up and realizing it’s not always black and white.

     ~ Kelley Boorn

 


Re: web sites detecting a screen reader

Don H
 

OK I am a strong believer in using Google to find answers before I ask one here.  Giving me the term SR flag did not help much in resolving this issue.  I tried all kinds of searches using SR flag and got nothing.  Maybe you can be a little more helpful in hiding the screen reader from web pages.

On 10/10/2020 6:59 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi,

That magic term is “sr flag”.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2020 4:07 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] web sites detecting a screen reader

 

Don,

          I don't think you can stop the websites, but I could swear that it was recently discussed that you can put screen readers, and I think it was NVDA in particular, into "stealth mode" at startup so that whatever flag it is that the screen reader sets/waves to tell software looking for it that it's present is not set.  But I'll be darned if I can remember the magic search term to find that discussion.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

It’s hard waking up and realizing it’s not always black and white.

     ~ Kelley Boorn

 


Re: web sites detecting a screen reader

 

Hi,

That magic term is “sr flag”.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2020 4:07 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] web sites detecting a screen reader

 

Don,

          I don't think you can stop the websites, but I could swear that it was recently discussed that you can put screen readers, and I think it was NVDA in particular, into "stealth mode" at startup so that whatever flag it is that the screen reader sets/waves to tell software looking for it that it's present is not set.  But I'll be darned if I can remember the magic search term to find that discussion.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

It’s hard waking up and realizing it’s not always black and white.

     ~ Kelley Boorn

 


Re: web sites detecting a screen reader

 

Don,

          I don't think you can stop the websites, but I could swear that it was recently discussed that you can put screen readers, and I think it was NVDA in particular, into "stealth mode" at startup so that whatever flag it is that the screen reader sets/waves to tell software looking for it that it's present is not set.  But I'll be darned if I can remember the magic search term to find that discussion.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

It’s hard waking up and realizing it’s not always black and white.

     ~ Kelley Boorn

 


web sites detecting a screen reader

Don H
 

It seems that more and more web sites are detecting that you have a screen reader and offer some kind of changes to the web site to accommodate a screen reader.  In some cases a message keeps popping up offering these mods and it is very difficult or impossible to turn them

off.

Is there a way to prevent a web page from detecting that you are using a screen reader?


Re: IDLE not accessable with NVDA

Sascha Cowley
 

Unfortunately, tk, the GUI framework that Idle is built with (via Python's tkinter library), has no accessibility support. You will have to use another editor or IDE.
Visual Studio Code is very accessible and has very good Python support via a plugin.


NVDA losing focus

Janet Brandly
 

Hello all,

 

I’m running the last stable release of NVDA, the latest update of Windows 10 and Office 365. For the last few weeks I’ve been having some major problems with NVDA seeming to lose focus. Some examples are when submitting forms on websites, working with Outlook, navigating between different file levels with WE, and occasionally when working with PDF documents. NVDA just stops speaking. If I’m on a website toggling in and out of browse mode doesn’t help. This is very annoying and is slowing me down significantly. I have to alt-tab through open windows until NVDA regains its focus. Any thoughts or suggestions would be much appreciated. I’m doing a pretty demanding online course right now. I’d like to continue using NVDA for this course and when/if I find work, but I’ve got to solve this problem.

 

Thank you,

 

Janet


Re: IDLE not accessable with NVDA

tim
 

Use vs code or notePad ++.
The python idle has never Ben usable.

On 10/10/2020 7:12 AM, Cristina Ebetiuc wrote:
Hi
I can’t use the IDLE (teh DIE which Comes to gehter with Python) with nVDA. The
object Navigation does not work, too. Does anybody have any solution?
Thanks
Gesendet von Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> für Windows 10


Re: NVDA Silent Installation

Chris
 

 

nvda_2020.2.exe --install-silent

 

From: Hicks Steven (CORNWALL IT SERVICES) via groups.io
Sent: 10 October 2020 15:00
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Silent Installation

 

Thanks so much, no spaces?

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris via groups.io
Sent: 07 October 2020 20:38
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Silent Installation

 

--install-silent

 

 

 

From: Hicks Steven (CORNWALL IT SERVICES) via groups.io
Sent: 07 October 2020 20:28
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA Silent Installation

 

Does anyone know the command for a silent installation of NVDA please?

 



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Re: NVDA Silent Installation

Hicks Steven (CORNWALL IT SERVICES) <steven.hicks@...>
 

Thanks so much, no spaces?

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris via groups.io
Sent: 07 October 2020 20:38
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Silent Installation

 

--install-silent

 

 

 

From: Hicks Steven (CORNWALL IT SERVICES) via groups.io
Sent: 07 October 2020 20:28
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA Silent Installation

 

Does anyone know the command for a silent installation of NVDA please?

 



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Re: NVDA and Ivona from nextup.com

Josh Kennedy
 

if you bought them, you should be able to download them as many times as you need. Also, I don't think those voices are SAPI5. I think they only work in the text aloud program. I don't think they work with NVDA.

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