Re: Issue with tab key under 2020.3
Marcia Yale
It’s strange, because it’s not consistent—all of a sudden it will start working. Also, for any of you using Winamp, have you noticed any problems reading the tree if folders when looking for a file to play?
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Scott Salzman
Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2020 9:34 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Issue with tab key under 2020.3
If that doesn't work, the Zoom keyboard shortcuts page says that pressing Control + Alt + Shift will move focus to Zoom's meeting controls.
Scott
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Try pressing alt once and see if that solves the problem. I don't recall just what alt does but it is something like to show or hide the interface. It’s a toggle.
Gene -----Original Message----- From: Marcia Yale Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2020 6:06 PM Subject: [nvda] Issue with tab key under 2020.3
I can no longer tab around in Zoom. I have disabled the Zoom add-on thinking this was an incompatibility issue, but it didn't solve the problem. I'm using Windows 7.
Marcia Yale It is not our differences that divide us. It is our inability to recognize, accept, and celebrate those differences. Audre Lorde
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Re: New NVDA
Gene
Also, have you rebooted since upgrading?
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Gene
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From: Gene Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2020 5:45 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] New NVDA I don't know why that is. If you can still use an older version, there will, I'm sure, be no solution forthcoming, unless someone wants to create an add-on, if an add-on can solve the problem. Outlook Express has not been supported since whenever Windows XP went out of support. I think that was roughly six years ago. You may have to do something like use a portable version of an earlier NVDA for Outlook Express and switch to the installed version for general work if you want to use this version as your general version. -----Original Message----- From: Robert Doc Wright godfearer Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2020 5:21 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: [nvda] New NVDA I just discovered that I cannot use the upgrade with Outlook Express. When I open an email I can only tab around. I cannot read what is there nor if I press ctrl+r to reply I cannot type. ****** Jesus says, follow me and I'll help you through the rough spots. the world says, hey come with me. My way is broad and easy. So what if you get crap on your shoes. You can always wash it off, can't you! Family times where there is fun for every ear! http://stream.wrighthere.net:8000/stream.mp3 Or ask your A device to play Family times on tuneIn You can also find us on your mobile device install OoTunes and search for Family times
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Re: New NVDA
Gene
I don't know why that is. If you can still use an older version, there will, I'm sure, be no solution forthcoming, unless someone wants to create an add-on, if an add-on can solve the problem.
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Outlook Express has not been supported since whenever Windows XP went out of support. I think that was roughly six years ago. You may have to do something like use a portable version of an earlier NVDA for Outlook Express and switch to the installed version for general work if you want to use this version as your general version.
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From: Robert Doc Wright godfearer Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2020 5:21 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: [nvda] New NVDA I just discovered that I cannot use the upgrade with Outlook Express. When I open an email I can only tab around. I cannot read what is there nor if I press ctrl+r to reply I cannot type. ****** Jesus says, follow me and I'll help you through the rough spots. the world says, hey come with me. My way is broad and easy. So what if you get crap on your shoes. You can always wash it off, can't you! Family times where there is fun for every ear! http://stream.wrighthere.net:8000/stream.mp3 Or ask your A device to play Family times on tuneIn You can also find us on your mobile device install OoTunes and search for Family times
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Re: New NVDA
On Wed, Oct 14, 2020 at 06:21 PM, Robert Doc Wright godfearer wrote:
I just discovered that I cannot use the upgrade with Outlook Express.- Although this is definitely useful information to have shared, it should hardly be surprising. Outlook Express has been out of support for many years now. There is going to be no attempt, years after something goes out of support, for any contemporary software (NVDA, in this case) to maintain backward compatibility with it. And, before this starts a firestorm about Outlook Express and the love for it and the demand that it should be able to be used, I refer you to the group rule: The discussion of software on the NVDA Group is limited to software currently in support. Depending on the type of software, specific version numbers will change with time. Users are expected to know what remains in support and what has been dropped, and announcements will be made to this group when new versions of NVDA are released. It should be assumed that, when a new version of software is released, primary discussion will take place on that version, not versions of software which are years old. Outlook Express is no longer currently in support, so it will not be a valid topic for discussion on this group. -- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041 It’s hard waking up and realizing it’s not always black and white. ~ Kelley Boorn
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New NVDA
Robert Doc Wright godfearer
I just discovered that I cannot use the upgrade
with Outlook Express. When I open an email I can only tab around. I cannot read
what is there nor if I press ctrl+r to reply I cannot type.
******
Jesus says, follow me and I'll help you through the rough spots. the world says, hey come with me. My way is broad and easy. So what if you get crap on your shoes. You can always wash it off, can't you! Or ask your A device to play Family times on tuneIn You can also find us on your mobile device install OoTunes and search for Family times
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Re: NVDA not working with INSERT+F7
tim
In laptop its still the same NVDA key + f7.
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So the insert or caps lock keys with f7 give you the elements list. In desktop caps lock + a, does nothing. it reads from system carrot to the end.
On 10/14/2020 11:23 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Is she using the desktop command insert f-7 or is she using the laptop command which is capslock A?
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Re: Issue with tab key under 2020.3
Kevin Cussick
not seeing this just tried it windows10 home 64bit version 2004.
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On 14/10/2020 00:52, Gene wrote:
Try pressing alt once and see if that solves the problem. I don't recall just what alt does but it is something like to show or hide the interface. It’s a toggle.
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Re: firefox and waterfox issues.
Rosemarie Chavarria
I'd go with either edge or chrome.
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On 9/25/2020 7:22 PM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
Yeah, its starting to become a thing I am jumping towards to.
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Request for Assistance from Members: Groups.io Bounce Notifications
Hello All,
When Groups.io has difficulty sending messages to the e-mail address of record for your Groups.io account, you are sent an e-mail message like this one in the documentation: https://groups.io/g/ That example dates from 2019, so I'm not certain whether any format changes have been made. As the instructions note toward the end of the message, "To unbounce your account, go to the following link:," where the link to activate is custom generated for a given bounce incident. What I would like to know is what Groups.io tells you after activating the link, whether that's a message after activation on the page it directs to saying that you have successfully (or unsuccessfully) gotten rid of the bounce, or if you get an e-mail message confirming this. So the next time any one of you gets a bounce notification, and activates that link, would you mind sending a message to nvda+owner@nvda.groups.io letting me know what sort of response, whether online at the page for the link, or via e-mail, you get once this link is activated? Thanks. -- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041 It’s hard waking up and realizing it’s not always black and white. ~ Kelley Boorn
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The plot thickens on waterfox error
Hi.
Well, today after cruising through all my sites including the blogspot one, on waterfox 2020.08 I decided to check the log. For those interested the link is. https://www.dropbox.com/s/hkydf6udmda81er/waterfoxerror.log?dl=1 For the rest of you not wanting to break down the log here is the deal. While there were no rpc errors, garbage collecter generated over 184 errors in a stack. These seemed to be i accessible windows and other modules. Here is the thing. in waterfox 2020.09 this crashed waterfox and froze nvda. in 08 it does nothing. Fine, but now that puts the question, what the difference is. Technically I guess it doesn't matter. However if nvda is generating errors and can run fine why should it. Except in the latest waterfox it is actually having an issue with them. Now granted waterfox does get some updates from mozilla firefox for both its current and classic builds and firefox has had a few small updates to get past some issues, so who knows. This does put a prospective on the errors though that I have been having. These look to be web page interaction errors, maybe buffers who knows. The question, what is the difference betwene the 2 waterfox versions that both get nvda to generate the same error. The thing is, in 2020.08 nvda doesn't give a damn. In 09 it does. I don't know why but if we can find this out maybe we can fix other issues, who knows. At any rate I will try again once the latest waterfox appears. And if that continues to continue I'll just stay on 08 for ever. My security tools I have are probably enough though I was hoping to continue using this brouser as updated as I can, and granted while its a lot better, the random errors and weird crashes turn me off quite quickly. If it were not for some sites in chrome that have deciman points in prices, ie 19.00 is 1900 where the points seem to be excluded I'd probably switch to chrome, also the way some content is displayed like the hp website in chrome and how it interacts is a bit strange to.
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Re: NVDA not working with INSERT+F7
Rosemarie Chavarria
Wow--I didn't think of that. I don't know a lot about laptops. I'm so used to using a desktop.
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On 10/14/2020 9:31 AM, Blaster wrote:
This may not be a NVDA issue, It may be that her function keys are in
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Re: NVDA not working with INSERT+F7
On Wed, Oct 14, 2020 at 12:31 PM, Blaster wrote:
It may be that her function keys are in media mode.Great catch! On HP machines, at least, F6, F7, and F8 are all volume control media keys [Mute, Volume Down, and Volume Up, respectively]. The fact that a slider comes up makes me think that F7 is a volume media key and that it's showing where that key press has taken the volume. I turned the media keys off on my machine, but if you use FN+ the given key it does what it would have in Media Key mode, and a slider always appears if I'm adjusting volume up or down. -- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041 It’s hard waking up and realizing it’s not always black and white. ~ Kelley Boorn
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Re: NVDA not working with INSERT+F7
Blaster
This may not be a NVDA issue, It may be that her function keys are in
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media mode. Does she normally need to use the FN key with the function keys IE. like pressing the Alt plus the FN key and the F4 key to close an application?
On 10/14/20, Rosemarie Chavarria <knitqueen2007@gmail.com> wrote:
Is she using the desktop command insert f-7 or is she using the laptop
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Re: NVDA not working with INSERT+F7
Rosemarie Chavarria
Is she using the desktop command insert f-7 or is she using the laptop command which is capslock A?
On 10/14/2020 7:52 AM, Geraldine.Huzar
via groups.io wrote:
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Re: NVDA and Vocalizer expressive
Gerardo Corripio
Tiflotecnia hasn’t gotten the newer ones, which I’m really looking forward to, if they ever do get them! Angelica from Mexico, Francisca from Chile, US English’ Zoe, and there’s another guy’s voice in US English that I can’t remember!
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I collaborate on several blogs and spanish-speaking podcasts online, thus I wish I could have donated a Code Factory license! The trial period ran out! And I really liked its Eloquence! And the voices mentioned before. I could spread the word on those too! Gera Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel
El 12 oct 2020, a la(s) 9:30 p.m., Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@gmail.com> escribió:
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NVDA not working with INSERT+F7
Geraldine.Huzar
Hi
I wondered if anyone can help. A colleague is trying to use NVDA on her laptop, but whenever she selects INSERT+F7 to access the Elements list, a slider going from 0 to 100% briefly appears on the left of her screen and the Elements List doesn't activate. She's uninstalled and reinstalled NVDA, but that didn't make any difference. I have had a look on the internet, but couldn't see a reason why this is happening. She's using NVDA 20.2 and Firefox 78.20. Many thanks Geri
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Re: News – NV Access - NVDA 2020.3 Released
#nvaccessnewsfeed
Gene
Do you know the fast way to see all the What's New topics? Move through them by heading, use h in the what's new page and you will see the heading for every change or addition. It is very unlikely that a different command would be used for such a well established command.
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However, as I understand the question, it was asked because Shaun said something about turning off rread to end, which was unclear. I think he was talking about turning off the automatic reading of web pages after they open, not the reade all command itself. Gene
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From: Leslie Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2020 10:39 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] News – NV Access - NVDA 2020.3 Released #NVAccessNewsFeed Hi Quinton, NVDA, A still works, but I thought it might have changed to an improved way. I did restart the computer after updating. I’ve always thought that NVDA, A was awkward, but I’m used to it now. I should go check What’s New after any update. I’ve done it, but there are so many new steps that I usually can’t find what I’m looking for. Maybe I’m just a lazy old thing. Lololol. Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Quentin Christensen Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2020 8:16 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] News – NV Access - NVDA 2020.3 Released #NVAccessNewsFeed Hi Leslie, If you have NVDA setup in laptop keyboard layout, then NVDA+A should still work for say all. If you are using NVDA in desktop keyboard layout, then the keystroke is NVDA+down arrow. If you press NVDA+control+k it opens NVDA's keyboard settings and you can check or change your keyboard layout. Finally, if you find it's not working, have you restarted the PC since you updated NVDA? Try that first and see if it comes back again. Kind regards Quentin. On Wed, Oct 14, 2020 at 2:09 PM Leslie <soundsofmusic@san.rr.com> wrote: What are you using for Say All now? Are you still supposed to use NVDA, A or another set of keys. Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: molly the blind tech lover Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2020 11:45 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] News – NV Access - NVDA 2020.3 Released #NVAccessNewsFeed I just updated my NVDA. Works great 😀 I love the new feature where the touch interaction can be toggled on and off. And NVDA definitely seems more responsive. I am currently using Microsoft word and NVDA seems more responsive while typing, reading character by character, etc. I love it 😀 From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rosemarie Chavarria Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2020 12:37 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] News – NV Access - NVDA 2020.3 Released #NVAccessNewsFeed It's working great here too. I love the snappy response too. On 10/13/2020 9:35 AM, Sharni-Lee Ward wrote: Just updated! Everything is so so much more responsive now! It responds to my typing faster than it used to in older versions before the update to Python 3! I've only noticed one thing so far, and it's not necessarily a bad thing either, just something new to adjust to. The pauses after periods are shorter. Sentences feel closer together than they did before when reading. Again, this is something I could become accustomed to with time, and isn't necessarily a problem. I do like the snappy response time very much. :) On 14/10/2020 1:13 am, nvda@nvda.groups.io Integration wrote: NVDA 2020.3 Released By NV Access NV Access is pleased to announce that version 2020.3 of NVDA, the free screen reader for Microsoft Windows, is now available for download. We encourage all users to upgrade to this version. NVDA 2020.3 includes several large improvements to stability and performance, particularly in Microsoft Office applications. There are new settings to toggle touchscreen support and graphics reporting. The existence of marked (highlighted) content can be reported in browsers, and there are new German braille tables. Please note, after updating any software, it is a good idea to restart the computer. Restart by going to the Shutdown dialog, selecting “restart” and pressing ENTER. Updating software can change files which are in use. This can lead to instability and strange behaviour which is resolved by rebooting. This is the first thing to try if you do notice anything odd after updating. While downloading NVDA, please consider becoming a monthly donor. Contributions like yours help NV Access continue our important work. We also have a range of training material in the NV Access Shop to help you increase your skills with NVDA. Start with the popular Basic Training for NVDA in electronic text, audio and braille. Save with the NVDA Productivity Bundle. This includes Basic Training, all our Microsoft Office training, and telephone support. Download NVDA 2020.3 To find out what’s new in this release, please visit What’s new in NVDA 2020.3 Close-up photograph of NVDA logo in notification area. -- Quentin Christensen Training and Support Manager Web: www.nvaccess.org Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/ Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/ User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess Twitter: @NVAccess
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Re: waterfox error
Yeah, and thats my frustration. There are issues in support but I don't know what to do. I have posted logs here and there are at least 2 github issues. There are other issues with waterfox on support that I think could be related but I have run on everything from older profiles newer ones, no profiles, no addons, fresh installs as far as I can. Its either the buffers, a memmory leak or interaction between the brouser. It can happen as I move through my 20-100 sites a day. Noscript does actually help keep the crashes down but it can happen straight away, or it can take a few sites and maybe 5-10 minutes to happen. Or it just happens. But it is quite random. I really hate to harp on about this like some selfish asshole but right now I am running out of ideas. Its got a little better with an amd display driver update, so it could be amd related but who knows. All the issues seem to be happening on 3-4gen ryzens and rx5000 video cards. I have a now quite ancient comparitively speaking ryzen 2nd generation. And most issues are solved with this one. At least those that don't matter that much. Now I don't have an intel system to test this thing on which is directly under my control that I want to sacrofice. After my experience with vmware, its clear what I really need is a system, I can start, monkey with, screw up, reformat, set up, try something else, reformat if it screws and try again. I thought I could controle stable stuff with my primary and after vmware my confidence is to say the least a bit shaken. Because I can't. If I lose imput or output, which can be a fragile thing, then I'm done for. Same with some other devices. If I lose input, reformat is the only option unless I have sighted help. Same with output unless I can get that back assuming like vmware I don't use the entire keyboard or sound card class. Usually if I got a problem and couldn't fix it, then I'd just reformat and be done with it. But along came covid and I suddenly realise that the computer is basically the only communication for most of the world. So in short, mucking round with my primary is pritty much out for probabbly ever. I'm never loading vmware on there again, not because of this issue but a few other issues which I have blogged about. In particular the fact you need a my vmware account to access everything and to reset passwords is quite hard. Not only that but they have support contracts and not much else so I can't even report my issue to vmware, in short, even though it was fun, with the performance boost I got with its removal, I'm seriously rethinking hhow I will be running future tests of anything even with virtual machine software. I may eventually get another system, one that I can backup some how and just have, and if it screws up then its not going to be a problem. I technically have the space for one but who knows.
On 14/10/2020 6:04 pm, Quentin
Christensen wrote:
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Re: News – NV Access - NVDA 2020.3 Released
#nvaccessnewsfeed
I really enjoy this version of nvda.
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Now the only issue I have is firefox 2020.09. I can't make the stupid thing crash with this nvda or the nvda before on 08. So it must be 09, but the devs say its just security updates, yet something must have changed. I have posted logs here, I have posted 2 githubs both on nvaccess and waterfox and no idea what can be done. Its just got to be waterfox 09 but I don't know exactly what its all above. I suspect its got to do with when things refresh, maybe its buffers, when objects are destroyed, timing or a memmory leak somewhere but I'm no programmer. I can hazzard a guess, but what I really need is someone with the same system or a different system to generate the same errors, it can't be calibre because 08 doesn't cause calibre to do weird things, calibre could be the new addon and who knows. The program is snappy and works well enough. Its faster and I do like it.
On 14/10/2020 5:55 pm, Joshua Hendrickson wrote:
I also like the new version of NVDA. It has been my primary
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Re: Beyond trust aka avecto: NVDA not reading prompts
Hi Tyler,
I tried launching narrator on the avecto screen without success. Pranav
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