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Re: firefox and waterfox issues.

Gene
 

The thread isn't about you bottom posting. You are top posting.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2020 11:30 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] firefox and waterfox issues.

Hmph, I havn't touched any settings in thunderbird which would change this.
I am using the latest version of the stable branch.

On 16/10/2020, Rosemarie Chavarria <knitqueen2007@gmail.com> wrote:
It's proper neticit to top post.



On 10/15/2020 9:19 AM, john doe wrote:
You are correct, I can't get use to the windows top-posting world.

I should refrain from posting to this list.

On 10/15/2020 1:13 PM, Gene wrote:
You are bottom ;posting and a lot of people will skip your message
because they don't want to plow through the content to find the new
message. Also, many people will think you left a message with no new
content by mistake.

As far as having scripts disabled, which is what you are discussing, I
have seen no instance in which that contributes to crashes and
performance problems, and I have scripts disabled unless I need them
because its safer. I've done this for years. Plus, the problems didn't
occur until recently which indicates that something, somewhere, has
changed.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: john doe
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2020 1:47 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] firefox and waterfox issues.

On 10/15/2020 8:41 AM, john doe wrote:
On 10/14/2020 8:47 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
I'd go with either edge or chrome.



On 9/25/2020 7:22 PM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
Yeah, its starting to become a thing I am jumping towards to.
Since firefox and waterfox share some features well that makes sence.
I have downgraded to 2020.8.1, but even in the 08x series the system
has been running hot with the brouser active so there could be a leak
going on.
I like classic waterfox because of its uncluttered nature, but if the
makers of this thing refuse to acknowledge that its a problem on
their
end, then I am going to have to abandon noscript 5, and try to use
chrome, edge, brave or something.
I'd ideally like a firefox like classic brouser.
What I may have to do is switch back and fforth.
Right now I am running an older waterfox classic which does what I
need it to do but yeah, I am starting to get that to.
Its random, sometimes its fine then sometimes its not.
It can happen quickly or it can well happen later on and randomly.
Taking into account that I have at least 1 site I use for work which
is known to be slow and a lot slower now because it just is who
knows.
Its only happening if I load several things in the same tab, any new
tabs are not effected.
At first I thought it was java or malware but its getting to crazy
now, worse its even happening on sites like blogspot where I don't
allow any scripts to execute.
That is probably the issue, if you don't allow dinamic content on the
page, you're heading for trouble.

Are you having the same issue(s) with Tor Browser?
Also have you look at the changelog between the two releases to
understand what could trigger the issue(s)?

Did you try the latest release of NVDA next (trunk)?

--
John Doe









--
John Doe









Re: firefox and waterfox issues.

Gene
 

You don't need to refrain. Just use control home when writing to this list, before writing the message. I expect you know that. Its just one command and, though you may forget, I suspect it would be easy to remember most of the time.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: john doe
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2020 11:19 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] firefox and waterfox issues.

You are correct, I can't get use to the windows top-posting world.

I should refrain from posting to this list.

On 10/15/2020 1:13 PM, Gene wrote:
You are bottom ;posting and a lot of people will skip your message
because they don't want to plow through the content to find the new
message. Also, many people will think you left a message with no new
content by mistake.

As far as having scripts disabled, which is what you are discussing, I
have seen no instance in which that contributes to crashes and
performance problems, and I have scripts disabled unless I need them
because its safer. I've done this for years. Plus, the problems didn't
occur until recently which indicates that something, somewhere, has
changed.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: john doe
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2020 1:47 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] firefox and waterfox issues.

On 10/15/2020 8:41 AM, john doe wrote:
On 10/14/2020 8:47 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
I'd go with either edge or chrome.



On 9/25/2020 7:22 PM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
Yeah, its starting to become a thing I am jumping towards to.
Since firefox and waterfox share some features well that makes sence.
I have downgraded to 2020.8.1, but even in the 08x series the system
has been running hot with the brouser active so there could be a leak
going on.
I like classic waterfox because of its uncluttered nature, but if the
makers of this thing refuse to acknowledge that its a problem on their
end, then I am going to have to abandon noscript 5, and try to use
chrome, edge, brave or something.
I'd ideally like a firefox like classic brouser.
What I may have to do is switch back and fforth.
Right now I am running an older waterfox classic which does what I
need it to do but yeah, I am starting to get that to.
Its random, sometimes its fine then sometimes its not.
It can happen quickly or it can well happen later on and randomly.
Taking into account that I have at least 1 site I use for work which
is known to be slow and a lot slower now because it just is who knows.
Its only happening if I load several things in the same tab, any new
tabs are not effected.
At first I thought it was java or malware but its getting to crazy
now, worse its even happening on sites like blogspot where I don't
allow any scripts to execute.
That is probably the issue, if you don't allow dinamic content on the
page, you're heading for trouble.

Are you having the same issue(s) with Tor Browser?
Also have you look at the changelog between the two releases to
understand what could trigger the issue(s)?

Did you try the latest release of NVDA next (trunk)?

--
John Doe









--
John Doe


Re: firefox and waterfox issues.

 

Hmph, I havn't touched any settings in thunderbird which would change this.
I am using the latest version of the stable branch.

On 16/10/2020, Rosemarie Chavarria <knitqueen2007@gmail.com> wrote:
It's proper neticit to top post.



On 10/15/2020 9:19 AM, john doe wrote:
You are correct, I can't get use to the windows top-posting world.

I should refrain from posting to this list.

On 10/15/2020 1:13 PM, Gene wrote:
You are bottom ;posting and a lot of people will skip your message
because they don't want to plow through the content to find the new
message.  Also, many people will think you left a message with no new
content by mistake.

As far as having scripts disabled, which is what you are discussing, I
have seen no instance in which that contributes to crashes and
performance problems, and I have scripts disabled unless I need them
because its safer. I've done this for years.  Plus, the problems didn't
occur until recently which indicates that something, somewhere, has
changed.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: john doe
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2020 1:47 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] firefox and waterfox issues.

On 10/15/2020 8:41 AM, john doe wrote:
On 10/14/2020 8:47 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
I'd go with either edge or chrome.



On 9/25/2020 7:22 PM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
Yeah, its starting to become a thing I am jumping towards to.
Since firefox and waterfox share some features well that makes sence.
I have downgraded to 2020.8.1, but even in the 08x series the system
has been running hot with the brouser active so there could be a leak
going on.
I like classic waterfox because of its uncluttered nature, but if the
makers of this thing refuse to acknowledge that its a problem on
their
end, then I am going to have to abandon noscript 5, and try to use
chrome, edge, brave or something.
I'd ideally like a firefox like classic brouser.
What I may have to do is switch back and fforth.
Right now I am running an older waterfox classic which does what I
need it to do but yeah, I am starting to get that to.
Its random, sometimes its fine then sometimes its not.
It can happen quickly or it can well happen later on and randomly.
Taking into account that I have at least 1 site I use for work which
is known to be slow and a lot slower now because it just is who
knows.
Its only happening if I load several things in the same tab, any new
tabs are not effected.
At first I thought it was java or  malware but its getting to crazy
now, worse its even happening on sites like blogspot where I don't
allow any scripts to execute.
That is probably the issue, if you don't allow dinamic content on the
page, you're heading for trouble.

Are you having the same issue(s) with Tor Browser?
Also have you look at the changelog between the two releases to
understand what could trigger the issue(s)?

Did you try the latest release of NVDA next (trunk)?

--
John Doe









--
John Doe









Re: firefox and waterfox issues.

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

It's proper neticit to top post.

On 10/15/2020 9:19 AM, john doe wrote:
You are correct, I can't get use to the windows top-posting world.

I should refrain from posting to this list.

On 10/15/2020 1:13 PM, Gene wrote:
You are bottom ;posting and a lot of people will skip your message
because they don't want to plow through the content to find the new
message.  Also, many people will think you left a message with no new
content by mistake.

As far as having scripts disabled, which is what you are discussing, I
have seen no instance in which that contributes to crashes and
performance problems, and I have scripts disabled unless I need them
because its safer. I've done this for years.  Plus, the problems didn't
occur until recently which indicates that something, somewhere, has
changed.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: john doe
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2020 1:47 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] firefox and waterfox issues.

On 10/15/2020 8:41 AM, john doe wrote:
On 10/14/2020 8:47 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
I'd go with either edge or chrome.



On 9/25/2020 7:22 PM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
Yeah, its starting to become a thing I am jumping towards to.
Since firefox and waterfox share some features well that makes sence.
I have downgraded to 2020.8.1, but even in the 08x series the system
has been running hot with the brouser active so there could be a leak
going on.
I like classic waterfox because of its uncluttered nature, but if the
makers of this thing refuse to acknowledge that its a problem on their
end, then I am going to have to abandon noscript 5, and try to use
chrome, edge, brave or something.
I'd ideally like a firefox like classic brouser.
What I may have to do is switch back and fforth.
Right now I am running an older waterfox classic which does what I
need it to do but yeah, I am starting to get that to.
Its random, sometimes its fine then sometimes its not.
It can happen quickly or it can well happen later on and randomly.
Taking into account that I have at least 1 site I use for work which
is known to be slow and a lot slower now because it just is who knows.
Its only happening if I load several things in the same tab, any new
tabs are not effected.
At first I thought it was java or  malware but its getting to crazy
now, worse its even happening on sites like blogspot where I don't
allow any scripts to execute.
That is probably the issue, if you don't allow dinamic content on the
page, you're heading for trouble.

Are you having the same issue(s) with Tor Browser?
Also have you look at the changelog between the two releases to
understand what could trigger the issue(s)?

Did you try the latest release of NVDA next (trunk)?

--
John Doe









--
John Doe




Re: firefox and waterfox issues.

john doe
 

You are correct, I can't get use to the windows top-posting world.

I should refrain from posting to this list.

On 10/15/2020 1:13 PM, Gene wrote:
You are bottom ;posting and a lot of people will skip your message
because they don't want to plow through the content to find the new
message.  Also, many people will think you left a message with no new
content by mistake.

As far as having scripts disabled, which is what you are discussing, I
have seen no instance in which that contributes to crashes and
performance problems, and I have scripts disabled unless I need them
because its safer. I've done this for years.  Plus, the problems didn't
occur until recently which indicates that something, somewhere, has
changed.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: john doe
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2020 1:47 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] firefox and waterfox issues.

On 10/15/2020 8:41 AM, john doe wrote:
On 10/14/2020 8:47 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
I'd go with either edge or chrome.



On 9/25/2020 7:22 PM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
Yeah, its starting to become a thing I am jumping towards to.
Since firefox and waterfox share some features well that makes sence.
I have downgraded to 2020.8.1, but even in the 08x series the system
has been running hot with the brouser active so there could be a leak
going on.
I like classic waterfox because of its uncluttered nature, but if the
makers of this thing refuse to acknowledge that its a problem on their
end, then I am going to have to abandon noscript 5, and try to use
chrome, edge, brave or something.
I'd ideally like a firefox like classic brouser.
What I may have to do is switch back and fforth.
Right now I am running an older waterfox classic which does what I
need it to do but yeah, I am starting to get that to.
Its random, sometimes its fine then sometimes its not.
It can happen quickly or it can well happen later on and randomly.
Taking into account that I have at least 1 site I use for work which
is known to be slow and a lot slower now because it just is who knows.
Its only happening if I load several things in the same tab, any new
tabs are not effected.
At first I thought it was java or  malware but its getting to crazy
now, worse its even happening on sites like blogspot where I don't
allow any scripts to execute.
That is probably the issue, if you don't allow dinamic content on the
page, you're heading for trouble.

Are you having the same issue(s) with Tor Browser?
Also have you look at the changelog between the two releases to
understand what could trigger the issue(s)?

Did you try the latest release of NVDA next (trunk)?

--
John Doe








--
John Doe


Re: firefox and waterfox issues.

Gene
 

You are bottom ;posting and a lot of people will skip your message because they don't want to plow through the content to find the new message. Also, many people will think you left a message with no new content by mistake.

As far as having scripts disabled, which is what you are discussing, I have seen no instance in which that contributes to crashes and performance problems, and I have scripts disabled unless I need them because its safer. I've done this for years. Plus, the problems didn't occur until recently which indicates that something, somewhere, has changed.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: john doe
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2020 1:47 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] firefox and waterfox issues.

On 10/15/2020 8:41 AM, john doe wrote:
On 10/14/2020 8:47 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
I'd go with either edge or chrome.



On 9/25/2020 7:22 PM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
Yeah, its starting to become a thing I am jumping towards to.
Since firefox and waterfox share some features well that makes sence.
I have downgraded to 2020.8.1, but even in the 08x series the system
has been running hot with the brouser active so there could be a leak
going on.
I like classic waterfox because of its uncluttered nature, but if the
makers of this thing refuse to acknowledge that its a problem on their
end, then I am going to have to abandon noscript 5, and try to use
chrome, edge, brave or something.
I'd ideally like a firefox like classic brouser.
What I may have to do is switch back and fforth.
Right now I am running an older waterfox classic which does what I
need it to do but yeah, I am starting to get that to.
Its random, sometimes its fine then sometimes its not.
It can happen quickly or it can well happen later on and randomly.
Taking into account that I have at least 1 site I use for work which
is known to be slow and a lot slower now because it just is who knows.
Its only happening if I load several things in the same tab, any new
tabs are not effected.
At first I thought it was java or malware but its getting to crazy
now, worse its even happening on sites like blogspot where I don't
allow any scripts to execute.
That is probably the issue, if you don't allow dinamic content on the
page, you're heading for trouble.

Are you having the same issue(s) with Tor Browser?
Also have you look at the changelog between the two releases to
understand what could trigger the issue(s)?

Did you try the latest release of NVDA next (trunk)?

--
John Doe


Re: NVDA not working with INSERT+F7

Geraldine.Huzar
 

Thank you for all your great advice. I'll get back to my colleague. 

It's the first time I've used this forum and I'm really impressed with the support.


Re: New NVDA

Robert Doc Wright godfearer
 


Thanks that did do the trick.
******
Jesus says, follow me and I'll help you through the rough spots.
the world says, hey come with me. My way is broad and easy. So what if you get crap on your shoes. You can always wash it off, can't you!
 

Family times where there is fun for every ear!
http://stream.wrighthere.net:8000/stream.mp3
 
Or ask your A device to play Family times on tuneIn
You can also find us on your mobile device install OoTunes and search for Family times

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2020 9:00 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] New NVDA

+1 to what Gene said - try rebooting, and then do let us know if it works or not.  While Outlook Express is quite old, I'm not aware of having specifically broken support for it.  

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Thu, Oct 15, 2020 at 9:50 AM Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
Also, have you rebooted since upgrading?

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2020 5:45 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New NVDA

I don't know why that is.  If you can still use an older version, there
will, I'm sure, be no solution forthcoming, unless someone wants to create
an add-on, if an add-on can solve the problem.

Outlook Express has not been supported since whenever Windows XP went out of
support.  I think that was roughly six years ago.

You may have to do something like use a portable version of an earlier NVDA
for Outlook Express and switch to the installed version for general work if
you want to use this version as your general version.

-----Original Message-----
From: Robert Doc Wright godfearer
Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2020 5:21 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] New NVDA


I just discovered that I cannot use the upgrade with Outlook Express. When I
open an email I can only tab around. I cannot read what is there nor if I
press ctrl+r to reply I cannot type.
******
Jesus says, follow me and I'll help you through the rough spots.
the world says, hey come with me. My way is broad and easy. So what if you
get crap on your shoes. You can always wash it off, can't you!



Family times where there is fun for every ear!
http://stream.wrighthere.net:8000/stream.mp3

Or ask your A device to play Family times on tuneIn
You can also find us on your mobile device install OoTunes and search for
Family times









--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager


Re: News – NV Access - NVDA 2020.3 Released #nvaccessnewsfeed

Sharni-Lee Ward
 

I always liked NVDA+a and don't find it awkward at all, but then again I use the caps lock as my NVDA modifier key, and "a" is right next to it. :)   

On 14/10/2020 2:39 pm, Leslie wrote:

Hi Quinton,  NVDA, A still works, but I thought it might have changed to an improved way.  I did restart the computer after updating.  I’ve always thought that NVDA, A was awkward, but I’m used to it now.  I should go check What’s New after any update.  I’ve done it, but there are so many new steps that I usually can’t find what I’m looking for.  Maybe I’m just a lazy old thing. Lololol.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Quentin Christensen
Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2020 8:16 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] News – NV Access - NVDA 2020.3 Released #NVAccessNewsFeed

 

Hi Leslie,

 

If you have NVDA setup in laptop keyboard layout, then NVDA+A should still work for say all.  If you are using NVDA in desktop keyboard layout, then the keystroke is NVDA+down arrow.

 

If you press NVDA+control+k it opens NVDA's keyboard settings and you can check or change your keyboard layout.

 

Finally, if you find it's not working, have you restarted the PC since you updated NVDA?  Try that first and see if it comes back again.

 

Kind regards

 

Quentin.

 

On Wed, Oct 14, 2020 at 2:09 PM Leslie <soundsofmusic@...> wrote:

What are you using for Say All now?  Are you still supposed to use NVDA, A or another set of keys.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: molly the blind tech lover
Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2020 11:45 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] News – NV Access - NVDA 2020.3 Released #NVAccessNewsFeed

 

I just updated my NVDA.

Works great 😀

I love the new feature where the touch interaction can be toggled on and off.

And NVDA definitely seems more responsive.

I am currently using Microsoft word and NVDA seems more responsive while typing, reading character by character, etc.

I love it 😀

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2020 12:37 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] News – NV Access - NVDA 2020.3 Released #NVAccessNewsFeed

 

It's working great here too. I love the snappy response too.

 

 

On 10/13/2020 9:35 AM, Sharni-Lee Ward wrote:

Just updated! Everything is so so much more responsive now! It responds to my typing faster than it used to in older versions before the update to Python 3!

 

I've only noticed one thing so far, and it's not necessarily a bad thing either, just something new to adjust to. The pauses after periods are shorter. Sentences feel closer together than they did before when reading. Again, this is something I could become accustomed to with time, and isn't necessarily a problem. I do like the snappy response time very much. :)  

On 14/10/2020 1:13 am, nvda@nvda.groups.io Integration wrote:

NVDA 2020.3 Released

By NV Access

NV Access is pleased to announce that version 2020.3 of NVDA, the free screen reader for Microsoft Windows, is now available for download. We encourage all users to upgrade to this version.

NVDA 2020.3 includes several large improvements to stability and performance, particularly in Microsoft Office applications. There are new settings to toggle touchscreen support and graphics reporting. The existence of marked (highlighted) content can be reported in browsers, and there are new German braille tables.

Please note, after updating any software, it is a good idea to restart the computer. Restart by going to the Shutdown dialog, selecting “restart” and pressing ENTER. Updating software can change files which are in use. This can lead to instability and strange behaviour which is resolved by rebooting. This is the first thing to try if you do notice anything odd after updating.

While downloading NVDA, please consider becoming a monthly donor. Contributions like yours help NV Access continue our important work.

We also have a range of training material in the NV Access Shop to help you increase your skills with NVDA. Start with the popular Basic Training for NVDA in electronic text, audio and braille. Save with the NVDA Productivity Bundle. This includes Basic Training, all our Microsoft Office training, and telephone support.

Download NVDA 2020.3

To find out what’s new in this release, please visit What’s new in NVDA 2020.3

 

Close-up photograph of NVDA logo in notification area.

 


 

--

Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

 

 

-->


Re: firefox and waterfox issues.

john doe
 

On 10/15/2020 8:41 AM, john doe wrote:
On 10/14/2020 8:47 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
I'd go with either edge or chrome.



On 9/25/2020 7:22 PM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
Yeah, its starting to become a thing I am jumping towards to.
Since firefox and waterfox share some features well that makes sence.
I have downgraded to 2020.8.1, but even in the 08x series the system
has been running hot with the brouser active so there could be a leak
going on.
I like classic waterfox because of its uncluttered nature, but if the
makers of this thing refuse to acknowledge that its a problem on their
end, then I am going to have to abandon noscript 5, and try to use
chrome, edge, brave or something.
I'd ideally like a firefox like classic brouser.
What I may have to do is switch back and fforth.
Right now I am running an older waterfox classic which does what I
need it to do but yeah, I am starting to get that to.
Its random, sometimes its fine then sometimes its not.
It can happen quickly or it can well happen later on and randomly.
Taking into account that I have at least 1 site I use for work which
is known to be slow and a lot slower now because it just is who knows.
Its only happening if I load several things in the same tab, any new
tabs are not effected.
At first I thought it was java or  malware but its getting to crazy
now, worse its even happening on sites like blogspot where I don't
allow any scripts to execute.
That is probably the issue, if you don't allow dinamic content on the
page, you're heading for trouble.

Are you having the same issue(s) with Tor Browser?
Also have you look at the changelog between the two releases to
understand what could trigger the issue(s)?

Did you try the latest release of NVDA next (trunk)?

--
John Doe


Re: firefox and waterfox issues.

john doe
 

On 10/14/2020 8:47 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
I'd go with either edge or chrome.



On 9/25/2020 7:22 PM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
Yeah, its starting to become a thing I am jumping towards to.
Since firefox and waterfox share some features well that makes sence.
I have downgraded to 2020.8.1, but even in the 08x series the system
has been running hot with the brouser active so there could be a leak
going on.
I like classic waterfox because of its uncluttered nature, but if the
makers of this thing refuse to acknowledge that its a problem on their
end, then I am going to have to abandon noscript 5, and try to use
chrome, edge, brave or something.
I'd ideally like a firefox like classic brouser.
What I may have to do is switch back and fforth.
Right now I am running an older waterfox classic which does what I
need it to do but yeah, I am starting to get that to.
Its random, sometimes its fine then sometimes its not.
It can happen quickly or it can well happen later on and randomly.
Taking into account that I have at least 1 site I use for work which
is known to be slow and a lot slower now because it just is who knows.
Its only happening if I load several things in the same tab, any new
tabs are not effected.
At first I thought it was java or  malware but its getting to crazy
now, worse its even happening on sites like blogspot where I don't
allow any scripts to execute.
That is probably the issue, if you don't allow dinamic content on the
page, you're heading for trouble.

Are you having the same issue(s) with Tor Browser?

--
John Doe


Re: New NVDA

Quentin Christensen
 

+1 to what Gene said - try rebooting, and then do let us know if it works or not.  While Outlook Express is quite old, I'm not aware of having specifically broken support for it.  

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Thu, Oct 15, 2020 at 9:50 AM Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
Also, have you rebooted since upgrading?

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2020 5:45 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New NVDA

I don't know why that is.  If you can still use an older version, there
will, I'm sure, be no solution forthcoming, unless someone wants to create
an add-on, if an add-on can solve the problem.

Outlook Express has not been supported since whenever Windows XP went out of
support.  I think that was roughly six years ago.

You may have to do something like use a portable version of an earlier NVDA
for Outlook Express and switch to the installed version for general work if
you want to use this version as your general version.

-----Original Message-----
From: Robert Doc Wright godfearer
Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2020 5:21 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] New NVDA


I just discovered that I cannot use the upgrade with Outlook Express. When I
open an email I can only tab around. I cannot read what is there nor if I
press ctrl+r to reply I cannot type.
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Re: Issue with tab key under 2020.3

Marcia Yale
 

It’s strange, because it’s not consistent—all of a sudden it will start working. Also, for any of you using Winamp, have you noticed any problems reading the tree if folders when looking for a file to play?

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Scott Salzman
Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2020 9:34 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Issue with tab key under 2020.3

 

If that doesn't work, the Zoom keyboard shortcuts page says that pressing Control + Alt + Shift will move focus to Zoom's meeting controls.

 

Scott

 

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2020 7:52 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Issue with tab key under 2020.3

 

Try pressing alt once and see if that solves the problem.  I don't recall just what alt does but it is something like to show or hide the interface.

It’s a toggle.

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

From: Marcia Yale

Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2020 6:06 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: [nvda] Issue with tab key under 2020.3

 

I can no longer tab around in Zoom. I have disabled the Zoom add-on thinking this was an incompatibility issue, but it didn't solve the problem. I'm using Windows 7.

 

Marcia Yale

It is not our differences that divide us. It is our inability to recognize, accept, and celebrate those differences.

Audre Lorde

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


Re: New NVDA

Gene
 

Also, have you rebooted since upgrading?

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2020 5:45 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New NVDA

I don't know why that is. If you can still use an older version, there
will, I'm sure, be no solution forthcoming, unless someone wants to create
an add-on, if an add-on can solve the problem.

Outlook Express has not been supported since whenever Windows XP went out of
support. I think that was roughly six years ago.

You may have to do something like use a portable version of an earlier NVDA
for Outlook Express and switch to the installed version for general work if
you want to use this version as your general version.

-----Original Message-----
From: Robert Doc Wright godfearer
Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2020 5:21 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] New NVDA


I just discovered that I cannot use the upgrade with Outlook Express. When I
open an email I can only tab around. I cannot read what is there nor if I
press ctrl+r to reply I cannot type.
******
Jesus says, follow me and I'll help you through the rough spots.
the world says, hey come with me. My way is broad and easy. So what if you
get crap on your shoes. You can always wash it off, can't you!



Family times where there is fun for every ear!
http://stream.wrighthere.net:8000/stream.mp3

Or ask your A device to play Family times on tuneIn
You can also find us on your mobile device install OoTunes and search for
Family times


Re: New NVDA

Gene
 

I don't know why that is. If you can still use an older version, there will, I'm sure, be no solution forthcoming, unless someone wants to create an add-on, if an add-on can solve the problem.

Outlook Express has not been supported since whenever Windows XP went out of support. I think that was roughly six years ago.

You may have to do something like use a portable version of an earlier NVDA for Outlook Express and switch to the installed version for general work if you want to use this version as your general version.

-----Original Message-----
From: Robert Doc Wright godfearer
Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2020 5:21 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] New NVDA


I just discovered that I cannot use the upgrade with Outlook Express. When I open an email I can only tab around. I cannot read what is there nor if I press ctrl+r to reply I cannot type.
******
Jesus says, follow me and I'll help you through the rough spots.
the world says, hey come with me. My way is broad and easy. So what if you get crap on your shoes. You can always wash it off, can't you!



Family times where there is fun for every ear!
http://stream.wrighthere.net:8000/stream.mp3

Or ask your A device to play Family times on tuneIn
You can also find us on your mobile device install OoTunes and search for Family times


Re: New NVDA

 

On Wed, Oct 14, 2020 at 06:21 PM, Robert Doc Wright godfearer wrote:
I just discovered that I cannot use the upgrade with Outlook Express.
-
Although this is definitely useful information to have shared, it should hardly be surprising.  Outlook Express has been out of support for many years now.  There is going to be no attempt, years after something goes out of support, for any contemporary software (NVDA, in this case) to maintain backward compatibility with it.

And, before this starts a firestorm about Outlook Express and the love for it and the demand that it should be able to be used, I refer you to the group rule:

The discussion of software on the NVDA Group is limited to software currently in support.  Depending on the type of software, specific version numbers will change with time.  Users are expected to know what remains in support and what has been dropped, and announcements will be made to this group when new versions of NVDA are released. It should be assumed that, when a new version of software is released, primary discussion will take place on that version, not versions of software which are years old. 

Outlook Express is no longer currently in support, so it will not be a valid topic for discussion on this group.

 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

It’s hard waking up and realizing it’s not always black and white.

     ~ Kelley Boorn

 


New NVDA

Robert Doc Wright godfearer
 

I just discovered that I cannot use the upgrade with Outlook Express. When I open an email I can only tab around. I cannot read what is there nor if I press ctrl+r to reply I cannot type. 
******
Jesus says, follow me and I'll help you through the rough spots.
the world says, hey come with me. My way is broad and easy. So what if you get crap on your shoes. You can always wash it off, can't you!
 

Family times where there is fun for every ear!
http://stream.wrighthere.net:8000/stream.mp3
 
Or ask your A device to play Family times on tuneIn
You can also find us on your mobile device install OoTunes and search for Family times


Re: NVDA not working with INSERT+F7

tim
 

In laptop its still the same NVDA key + f7.
So the insert or caps lock keys with f7 give you the elements list.
In desktop caps lock + a, does nothing. it reads from system carrot to the end.

On 10/14/2020 11:23 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Is she using the desktop command insert f-7 or is she using the laptop command which is capslock A?
On 10/14/2020 7:52 AM, Geraldine.Huzar via groups.io wrote:
Hi
I wondered if anyone can help. A colleague is trying to use NVDA on her laptop, but whenever she selects INSERT+F7 to access the Elements list, a slider going from 0 to 100% briefly appears on the left of her screen and the Elements List doesn't activate. She's uninstalled and reinstalled NVDA, but that didn't make any difference.

I have had a look on the internet, but couldn't see a reason why this is happening.

She's using NVDA 20.2 and Firefox 78.20.

Many thanks
Geri


Re: Issue with tab key under 2020.3

Kevin Cussick
 

not seeing this just tried it windows10 home 64bit version 2004.

On 14/10/2020 00:52, Gene wrote:
Try pressing alt once and see if that solves the problem.  I don't recall just what alt does but it is something like to show or hide the interface. It’s a toggle.
Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Marcia Yale
Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2020 6:06 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Issue with tab key under 2020.3
I can no longer tab around in Zoom. I have disabled the Zoom add-on thinking
this was an incompatibility issue, but it didn't solve the problem. I'm
using Windows 7.
Marcia Yale
It is not our differences that divide us. It is our inability to recognize,
accept, and celebrate those differences.
Audre Lorde


Re: firefox and waterfox issues.

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

I'd go with either edge or chrome.

On 9/25/2020 7:22 PM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
Yeah, its starting to become a thing I am jumping towards to.
Since firefox and waterfox share some features well that makes sence.
I have downgraded to 2020.8.1, but even in the 08x series the system
has been running hot with the brouser active so there could be a leak
going on.
I like classic waterfox because of its uncluttered nature, but if the
makers of this thing refuse to acknowledge that its a problem on their
end, then I am going to have to abandon noscript 5, and try to use
chrome, edge, brave or something.
I'd ideally like a firefox like classic brouser.
What I may have to do is switch back and fforth.
Right now I am running an older waterfox classic which does what I
need it to do but yeah, I am starting to get that to.
Its random, sometimes its fine then sometimes its not.
It can happen quickly or it can well happen later on and randomly.
Taking into account that I have at least 1 site I use for work which
is known to be slow and a lot slower now because it just is who knows.
Its only happening if I load several things in the same tab, any new
tabs are not effected.
At first I thought it was java or malware but its getting to crazy
now, worse its even happening on sites like blogspot where I don't
allow any scripts to execute.
I'll give those at waterfox/firefox a little more time to do something
about this but if not I am going to have to switch to chrome for my
day to day work.
Now chrome aint a bad brouser but I like a classic and uncluttered interface.
Bar the addons from electronic frontier, privacy, badger, and https
everywhere, as well as ublock, the only addon I need is the old
navigation sounds and accessible noscript addon and heck I probably
could do without that but I like control.
Point is I can't go on like this.
I have allready done a hardreset on my ram modules after a firmware
update caused some issues, and while that has sorted out some stuff,
when this goes it turns nvda into junk.
Mostly narator will come up file and closing the program works fine
but the last time this happened this morning it took out part of nvda
keyboard and I had to reboot nvda manually and then restart windows.
I have struggled through this for the last 3 days now since the update
and am just about through.

On 26/09/2020, Gene <gsasner@gmail.com> wrote:
It sounds like a memory leak problem.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2020 7:58 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] firefox and waterfox issues.

Hi all.

There is an issue on github of both waterfox and nvda about how the
brouser is really flakey in the latest version.

Aparently firefox has the same issues, at first I thought it was just a
couple sites, but now I can be brousing along and it may be blogspot,
github, another site, and things will become unresponsive.

I thought I'd fixed it this morning but no I hadn't.

If you open sites each in a new tab things do not crash but eventually
if you open things in the same window things will crash and become
unresponsive.

This never happened on the previous waterfox version but if its
happening in firefox as well as waterfox classic then there is a problem.

I like classic waterfox for what it is but if its going to do this sort
of thing I may have to use chrome and hope it doesn't do this.

I don't like what chrome does to some number conversions in sites like
pbtech.co.nz as they don't read decimals right because how the numbers
and such on the site are done but well things just seem to be well doing
bad things right now.

Interested to get to the bottem of this.

thanks.

Shaun.














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