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Re: Maximum number of characters on one line

Gene
 

The browser is what breaks up material into lines on web pages exdcept, of course, where a new paragraph begins. When browse mode or the virtual pc cursor format a page, they ddetermine how many carachters will be on a line. When you set the number of carachters, you are determining how long you want a line to be.

-----Original Message-----
From: Luke Robinett
Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2020 11:13 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Maximum number of characters on one line


To be honest, I’ve never even understood what that setting means or what it even correlates to. Maximum characters for what? Isn’t NVDA just reading whatever you are telling it to? Something I could obviously use more education on.

On Oct 17, 2020, at 8:57 PM, Eilana Benish <benish.ilana@gmail.com> wrote:












Hello

why in NVDA, user can't change the Maximum number of characters on one line from mor then 250 Characters?

Allowing this feature will help in very long and complex documents When the user wants to read the entire line with NVDA and up arrow?





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Re: NVDA Settings Documentation

 

Hi,

Generally, the newer the setting, it is better documented in the user guide. For example, consider the just mentioned setting in browse mode panel versus touch interaction panel – the former is an old setting, while the latter is a recent section (bonus: I wrote the touch interaction section apart from a bit on toggling touch interaction with a keyboard command). The user guide as currently stands has limitations, including covering only the basic scenarios.

Part of the reason why I produced Welcome to NVDA tutorial series (2013, 2015, 2018) was due to personal frustrations with the NVDA user guide. The biggest frustration is the issue Brian mentioned: lack of real-life scenarios. This is why when you listen to (or watch video) tutorials, you’ll notice more real-life examples being presented, and I believe that’s one of the strengths of NV Access’s own basic training material as well.

One idea I briefly considered was producing the fourth edition of Welcome to NVDA series this year but shelved it, knowing that there are folks who can produce better tutorial sets, along with the fact that NV Access has a basic training material now. But if there is a really strong demand for it, I’ll revisit this idea next year, with a possibility that the fourth edition will be the last Welcome to NVDA set I produce.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2020 9:35 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA Settings Documentation

 

Does such exist?

When reviewing the User Guide (at least what I've been able to find) there is very little to nothing regarding a number of NVDA settings, what they do, and how they change interaction with "the real world" things NVDA's working with.

One example is the Maximum Characters per line setting in Browse settings.  I can find absolutely nothing that clearly documents what that setting does or what changing it will do to NVDA's behavior.

I have to presume that there is a document that would go, panel by panel, and setting-by-setting, through these and what they do.  But if such exists, I really don't know where it is.
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

It’s hard waking up and realizing it’s not always black and white.

     ~ Kelley Boorn

 


NVDA Settings Documentation

 

Does such exist?

When reviewing the User Guide (at least what I've been able to find) there is very little to nothing regarding a number of NVDA settings, what they do, and how they change interaction with "the real world" things NVDA's working with.

One example is the Maximum Characters per line setting in Browse settings.  I can find absolutely nothing that clearly documents what that setting does or what changing it will do to NVDA's behavior.

I have to presume that there is a document that would go, panel by panel, and setting-by-setting, through these and what they do.  But if such exists, I really don't know where it is.
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

It’s hard waking up and realizing it’s not always black and white.

     ~ Kelley Boorn

 


Re: NVDA 2020.3: enable selective registration for UA automation events not having any impact in visual studio 2019

Luke Robinett
 

Yeah. Honestly there are a lot of problems with NVDA and visual studio. I am amazed I am as productive as I am in that software given I don’t have access to even a fraction of what cited users do because of the lack of support.

On Oct 17, 2020, at 12:44 AM, rowen brian <manchen0528@...> wrote:

Hello 
The parameter prompt of the method cannot be read out, press Ctrl +k, Ctrl+P


Re: Maximum number of characters on one line

Luke Robinett
 

To be honest, I’ve never even understood what that setting means or what it even correlates to. Maximum characters for what? Isn’t NVDA just reading whatever you are telling it to? Something I could obviously use more education on.

On Oct 17, 2020, at 8:57 PM, Eilana Benish <benish.ilana@...> wrote:




Hello

why in NVDA, user can't change the Maximum number of characters on one line from mor then 250 Characters?

Allowing this feature will help in very long and complex documents When the user wants to read the entire line with NVDA and up arrow?

 

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ובכבוד רב | Sincerely,

אילנה בניש מורשה נגישות שירות 2200 | Eilana Benish, service Accessibility authorized (2200)

ניהול פרויקטים – נגישות ושמישות אינטרנט וטכנולוגיות מידע  | Projects manager – Accessibility & usability on internet and ICT

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Re: Windows 10 App Essentials 20.10.2 released, a few notices about add-on development for the next few weeks #addonrelease

Hettie
 

Hi Luke

Thanks, will install it.


Hettie

On 2020/10/17 5:21 pm, Luke Davis wrote:
On Sat, 17 Oct 2020, Hettie wrote:

Is Windows 10 App Essentials  a windows or nvda app?
Neither. It is an NVDA add-on. Press Insert+n, t, and go down to "manage add-ons" and press enter. That will allow you to install add-ons into NVDA. You can press Alt+G to open a web page where you can find add-ons. Move to Windows 10 App Essentials, press enter, move to the "stable version" link, and select that.

 > Is it essential to use it with windows 10??

Windows 10 will be more accessible and much more pleasant to use if you do use the add-on.  You can use NVDA in Windows 10 without it, but I can't think of a good reason not to use Win 10 App Essentials, and many good reasons why you should use it.

Does it automatically come with either windows 10 or nvda?
No. See above.

Luke



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Re: NVDA and current selection in file explorer

hurrikennyandopo ...
 

Hi


Sorry I thought I had put it into the email as well as the other steps to high light the files you wanted.


the link to the drop box where it is is athttps://www.dropbox.com/s/a935bus11i8y8k0/ZExplorer_1.0_Gen.nvda-addon?dl=1 <https://www.dropbox.com/s/a935bus11i8y8k0/ZExplorer_1.0_Gen.nvda-addon?dl=1>;




Gene nz

On 18/10/2020 3:30 pm, William Wong wrote:
Hi, what is the addon you mentioned in the email?


hurrikennyandopo ... 於 18/10/2020 9:36 寫道:
Hi


The following will help so you know when it is selected or not and the add on will tell you how many were high lighted  etc.


Do not worry about the spelling mistakes they will be fixed up before they go to my website.



  *Selecting and unselecting files in file explorer
when you go into a folder in file explorer you might only want to copy certain files out of that folder. They might not be together or in a group. to copy only certain files out of the folder if there are heaps of them you will need to do the following.
it would be easier to go to the top of the folder so you can see all the files below. Now hold down the CTRL key then use the space bar to select or unselect hightlight files. Each time you press the space bar on a unselected file it will then become selected. Work your way down the files you want and select them with the spacebar while still holding the CTRL key.
You should hear  wheather it is select or unselected. as you arrow down the list of files.r To confirm which ones you selected while still holding down the CTRL key go to the top of the folder then arrow down the list. If it only says the name of the song it is selected but if it says the name of the song and unselected then you know it is not. Usually the status bar can be read with the NVDA key + END key but not at present.

Gene nz



On 18/10/2020 12:27 pm, William Wong wrote:
Hi all,

In file explorer, after doing file or folder selection with shift up or down arrow, if I press num 5 key, it will only report the last item being selected.

After reading the user menu, it seemed that there is no way to report what are the items being selected?

Thanks,

William











Maximum number of characters on one line

Eilana Benish
 


Hello

why in NVDA, user can't change the Maximum number of characters on one line from mor then 250 Characters?

Allowing this feature will help in very long and complex documents When the user wants to read the entire line with NVDA and up arrow?

 

--

 

 

ובכבוד רב | Sincerely,

אילנה בניש מורשה נגישות שירות 2200 | Eilana Benish, service Accessibility authorized (2200)

ניהול פרויקטים – נגישות ושמישות אינטרנט וטכנולוגיות מידע  | Projects manager – Accessibility & usability on internet and ICT

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Re: NVDA and current selection in file explorer

William
 

Oh sorry, I found out the link in another email.


William Wong 於 18/10/2020 10:30 寫道:

Hi, what is the addon you mentioned in the email?


hurrikennyandopo ... 於 18/10/2020 9:36 寫道:
Hi


The following will help so you know when it is selected or not and the add on will tell you how many were high lighted  etc.


Do not worry about the spelling mistakes they will be fixed up before they go to my website.



  *Selecting and unselecting files in file explorer
when you go into a folder in file explorer you might only want to copy certain files out of that folder. They might not be together or in a group. to copy only certain files out of the folder if there are heaps of them you will need to do the following.
it would be easier to go to the top of the folder so you can see all the files below. Now hold down the CTRL key then use the space bar to select or unselect hightlight files. Each time you press the space bar on a unselected file it will then become selected. Work your way down the files you want and select them with the spacebar while still holding the CTRL key.
You should hear  wheather it is select or unselected. as you arrow down the list of files.r To confirm which ones you selected while still holding down the CTRL key go to the top of the folder then arrow down the list. If it only says the name of the song it is selected but if it says the name of the song and unselected then you know it is not. Usually the status bar can be read with the NVDA key + END key but not at present.

Gene nz



On 18/10/2020 12:27 pm, William Wong wrote:
Hi all,

In file explorer, after doing file or folder selection with shift up or down arrow, if I press num 5 key, it will only report the last item being selected.

After reading the user menu, it seemed that there is no way to report what are the items being selected?

Thanks,

William








Re: NVDA and current selection in file explorer

William
 

Hi, what is the addon you mentioned in the email?


hurrikennyandopo ... 於 18/10/2020 9:36 寫道:

Hi


The following will help so you know when it is selected or not and the add on will tell you how many were high lighted  etc.


Do not worry about the spelling mistakes they will be fixed up before they go to my website.



  *Selecting and unselecting files in file explorer
when you go into a folder in file explorer you might only want to copy certain files out of that folder. They might not be together or in a group. to copy only certain files out of the folder if there are heaps of them you will need to do the following.
it would be easier to go to the top of the folder so you can see all the files below. Now hold down the CTRL key then use the space bar to select or unselect hightlight files. Each time you press the space bar on a unselected file it will then become selected. Work your way down the files you want and select them with the spacebar while still holding the CTRL key.
You should hear  wheather it is select or unselected. as you arrow down the list of files.r To confirm which ones you selected while still holding down the CTRL key go to the top of the folder then arrow down the list. If it only says the name of the song it is selected but if it says the name of the song and unselected then you know it is not. Usually the status bar can be read with the NVDA key + END key but not at present.

Gene nz



On 18/10/2020 12:27 pm, William Wong wrote:
Hi all,

In file explorer, after doing file or folder selection with shift up or down arrow, if I press num 5 key, it will only report the last item being selected.

After reading the user menu, it seemed that there is no way to report what are the items being selected?

Thanks,

William








Re: NVDA and current selection in file explorer

Gene
 

If you open a folder and don't move you will be at the top and nothing is selected. If you hold the control key and move nothing will be selected until you select it.
If you issue a command to move to the top even if you are already there and nothing was selected before, the first file will be selected. If you want nothing selected open file explorer, open the folder you want to work in and don't move until you are holding control. Or, if you want to make sure nothing is selected, perhaps you have been working in the folder already, press home to be sure you are at the top. The first file is selected.
Hold control and press the space bar. You will hear the the file is now unselected.
Then continue to down arrow still holding control until you get to a file you want to select. Follow the rest of the instructions.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: hurrikennyandopo ...
Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2020 8:36 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and current selection in file explorer

Hi


The following will help so you know when it is selected or not and the
add on will tell you how many were high lighted etc.


Do not worry about the spelling mistakes they will be fixed up before
they go to my website.



*Selecting and unselecting files in file explorer
when you go into a folder in file explorer you might only want to copy
certain files out of that folder. They might not be together or in a
group. to copy only certain files out of the folder if there are heaps
of them you will need to do the following.
it would be easier to go to the top of the folder so you can see all the
files below. Now hold down the CTRL key then use the space bar to select
or unselect hightlight files. Each time you press the space bar on a
unselected file it will then become selected. Work your way down the
files you want and select them with the spacebar while still holding the
CTRL key.
You should hear wheather it is select or unselected. as you arrow down
the list of files.r To confirm which ones you selected while still
holding down the CTRL key go to the top of the folder then arrow down
the list. If it only says the name of the song it is selected but if it
says the name of the song and unselected then you know it is not.
Usually the status bar can be read with the NVDA key + END key but not
at present.

Gene nz



On 18/10/2020 12:27 pm, William Wong wrote:
Hi all,

In file explorer, after doing file or folder selection with shift up or down arrow, if I press num 5 key, it will only report the last item being selected.

After reading the user menu, it seemed that there is no way to report what are the items being selected?

Thanks,

William






Re: NVDA and current selection in file explorer

hurrikennyandopo ...
 

Hi


The following will help so you know when it is selected or not and the add on will tell you how many were high lighted  etc.


Do not worry about the spelling mistakes they will be fixed up before they go to my website.



  *Selecting and unselecting files in file explorer
when you go into a folder in file explorer you might only want to copy certain files out of that folder. They might not be together or in a group. to copy only certain files out of the folder if there are heaps of them you will need to do the following.
it would be easier to go to the top of the folder so you can see all the files below. Now hold down the CTRL key then use the space bar to select or unselect hightlight files. Each time you press the space bar on a unselected file it will then become selected. Work your way down the files you want and select them with the spacebar while still holding the CTRL key.
You should hear  wheather it is select or unselected. as you arrow down the list of files.r To confirm which ones you selected while still holding down the CTRL key go to the top of the folder then arrow down the list. If it only says the name of the song it is selected but if it says the name of the song and unselected then you know it is not. Usually the status bar can be read with the NVDA key + END key but not at present.

Gene nz

On 18/10/2020 12:27 pm, William Wong wrote:
Hi all,

In file explorer, after doing file or folder selection with shift up or down arrow, if I press num 5 key, it will only report the last item being selected.

After reading the user menu, it seemed that there is no way to report what are the items being selected?

Thanks,

William





Re: NVDA and current selection in file explorer

hurrikennyandopo ...
 

Hi


the following add on might help it will also give you the status bar in file explorer and how many things you have hightlighted to copy.


The link to the drop box is https://www.dropbox.com/s/a935bus11i8y8k0/ZExplorer_1.0_Gen.nvda-addon?dl=0 <https://www.dropbox.com/s/a935bus11i8y8k0/ZExplorer_1.0_Gen.nvda-addon?dl=0>; is where it is .


I had to look up in my installed add ons to see what it was called I think it might need a easier to remember name.


Gene nz

On 18/10/2020 12:27 pm, William Wong wrote:
Hi all,

In file explorer, after doing file or folder selection with shift up or down arrow, if I press num 5 key, it will only report the last item being selected.

After reading the user menu, it seemed that there is no way to report what are the items being selected?

Thanks,

William





NVDA and current selection in file explorer

William
 

Hi all,

In file explorer, after doing file or folder selection with shift up or down arrow, if I press num 5 key, it will only report the last item being selected.

After reading the user menu, it seemed that there is no way to report what are the items being selected?

Thanks,

William


Re: NVDA + 1 under new tab page of Chrome

William
 

Oh thanks.

I really do not know it should only work if the focus is on the document. I originally thought that it works if the current active window is a web browser.


Gene 於 17/10/2020 22:12 寫道:

If you are in the right place, browse mode should be on.  Make sure you are actually in the blank page.  Use f6 as probably the fastest way to get there.  I have my browsers open to a blank page and if I am in the right place, browse mode is active and the descriptions work as you describe.

If you open a blank new tab with control n, you are placed on the address bar, not in the actual page.
-----Original Message----- From: William Wong
Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2020 5:37 AM
To: NVDA Mailing List
Subject: [nvda] NVDA + 1 under new tab page of Chrome

Hello,

Normally, when particular page is opened in Chrome, pressing nvda 1,
then press those navigational keys (e.g. k) will speak its respective
function in web navigation (e.g. link for k)

But I just found out that, if the current page is a blank new tab page
(e.g. a blank page after opening Chrome) pressing nvda 1, and press
those navigational keys will not speak its function, but just speak the
English letter.

I would like to know, is this a normal behavior?


Thanks,

William










Re: my friend's problem is solved for now

 

I agree.

For a while at home we got our computers constructed and customised by a local guy.

When he retired he put us onto his  supplier which is also good.

Saying that, said supplier is not the one that sells you extras, you find what you want, and say I want it and thats all.

My laptop I am typing this message on and the keyboard come from this supplier and they have a good track record on repair.

Most of the people I do repairs for can't afford that much so every christmas  I always seem to recieve a large pack of chocolate, or well whatever.

On 18/10/2020 5:15 am, Chris Smart wrote:
I hate to say you sometimes get what you pay for...


That said, good help is hard to find.

I'm lucky in that I found a local independent computer repairer and recycler who have been in business for a long time. So far, they've been friendly, knowledgeable, and quite fair on pricing.


Chris


On 2020-10-17 12:10 p.m., Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Hi, Gene,


The techie that took my friend's computer to supposedly fix it did it out of his ownhome. He kept it for over a year and when my friend tried to call him to ask about the computer, he never returned her calls. I've heard of dishonesty but this takes the cake! Now she's having trouble with it again. She has to redownload NVDA so I think there's something wrong with the computer itself.


Rosemarie



On 10/17/2020 6:26 AM, Gene wrote:
And repair places often update programs that shouldn't be updated because the new versions aren't accessible.  If a machine is taken into a repair place, perhaps an agreement, perhaps in writing, should be made that no changes, except those necessary to repair, including disinfect, a computer will be made without the approval of the owner.

I have no idea if repair places will accept such agreements but I pose the topic for discussion.

Gene

-----Original Message----- From: Leslie
Sent: Friday, October 16, 2020 10:45 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] my friend's problem is solved for now



One time I took my computer to Geek Squad and they messed one of my computers up royally too.  My computer went through two other parties before it was fixed.  That computer spent its entire life with me and I got another computer and some left over voices were loaded onto a brand new computer.  I just removed them recently. Repair places can really mess up computers when they don’t understand screen reader software.



Sent from Mail for Windows 10





From: Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: Friday, October 16, 2020 3:30 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] my friend's problem is solved for now





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Re: my friend's problem is solved for now

Sarah k Alawami
 

That will be in task bar under personalization. I have that shut off actually so I see **all** of the stuff in my system tray.


Tc

On 10/17/2020 12:49 PM, Louise Pfau wrote:
Hi.  I can't find the navigation button that was mentioned, but the information in the overflow area was shown when I pressed the LEFT ARROW.  With regard to reliable computer companies, I've managed to find a local independent company that is willing to work with adaptive technology, and make sure that it's working correctly before releasing the computer.

Thanks,

Louise


Re: my friend's problem is solved for now

Gene
 

I'm not sure what that means. While its good that they are willing to do so, do they have the knowledge to evaluate how it works? If they upgrade a program, do they know how to evaluate whether it is accessible?

I don't want anyone who isn't an adaptive technology specialist to make changes to my computer that might affect accessibility, the resolution of the video display, upgrading programs, nothing without my consent.

One reason we have problems with accessibility of programs is that those who develop the program don't know how to evaluate what is good or not good or almost meaningless accessibility. What good are the controls of a dialog, such as a yes or no button being read if the text of the dialog isn't. I've seen that in this or that program, where accessibility isn't properly implemented. I've seen most things read properly but what does the button do that just says button. How do I know if it affects what I want to do when using or working with settings in a program?

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Louise Pfau
Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2020 2:49 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] my friend's problem is solved for now

Hi. I can't find the navigation button that was mentioned, but the information in the overflow area was shown when I pressed the LEFT ARROW. With regard to reliable computer companies, I've managed to find a local independent company that is willing to work with adaptive technology, and make sure that it's working correctly before releasing the computer.

Thanks,

Louise


Re: my friend's problem is solved for now

Louise Pfau
 

Hi.  I can't find the navigation button that was mentioned, but the information in the overflow area was shown when I pressed the LEFT ARROW.  With regard to reliable computer companies, I've managed to find a local independent company that is willing to work with adaptive technology, and make sure that it's working correctly before releasing the computer.

Thanks,

Louise


Re: my friend's problem is solved for now

tim
 

Some will go with that deal and some just format, replace and out the door.
No shop or tech should keep a box for a week or more unless having supply issues.
I once had to wait a month for graphic cards. Gamers get real impatient for the boxes. So you always let the customer know all delays for Q/A and confirmations.

On 10/17/2020 9:26 AM, Gene wrote:
And repair places often update programs that shouldn't be updated because the new versions aren't accessible.  If a machine is taken into a repair place, perhaps an agreement, perhaps in writing, should be made that no changes, except those necessary to repair, including disinfect, a computer will be made without the approval of the owner.
I have no idea if repair places will accept such agreements but I pose the topic for discussion.
Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Leslie
Sent: Friday, October 16, 2020 10:45 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] my friend's problem is solved for now
One time I took my computer to Geek Squad and they messed one of my computers up royally too.  My computer went through two other parties before it was fixed.  That computer spent its entire life with me and I got another computer and some left over voices were loaded onto a brand new computer.  I just removed them recently.  Repair places can really mess up computers when they don’t understand screen reader software.
Sent from Mail for Windows 10
From: Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: Friday, October 16, 2020 3:30 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] my friend's problem is solved for now
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