Re: NVDA crashed on a friend's computer
Rosemarie Chavarria
Hi, Quentin,
I think we did get the problem solved for the time being. I suggested that she calls the Microsoft disability line tomorrow. Maybe they might be able to help her further.
Rosemarie
On 10/18/2020 9:37 PM, Quentin
Christensen wrote:
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Re: NVDA crashed on a friend's computer
Quentin Christensen
If she presses control+alt+n does she hear the NVDA startup sound? If she does, and there is no speech, then as Chris suggested, it could be she has disabled speech inadvertently. In that case, she could press NVDA+control+r three times quickly to reset NVDA back to factory defaults. If NVDA isn't running, she could press WINDOWS+CONTROL+ENTER to start Narrator to find it.
On Sat, Oct 17, 2020 at 3:15 AM Rosemarie Chavarria <knitqueen2007@...> wrote: Hi, everyone, --
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Re: NVDA Settings Documentation
Robert Doc Wright godfearer
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Where I need direction on what I need to study in
order to be a tech writer for NVDA. I believe that once I understand something I
can teach it to anyone. My stumbling block is that I have had some programming
classes but that was twenty years ago. I taught myself basic web design from a
book. What do I need to know to be of help where the users guide is
concerned?
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From: Joseph
Lee
Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2020 1:45 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Settings Documentation Hi, Agreed (that’s one of the reasons why I comment a lot in my add-on source code). One holiday wish I have (possibly a long-term wish) is to help folks get started on revamping the NVDA community documentation. At least this can include add-on user guides, but I foresee a day where the screen reader user guide would not escape this rewrite in hopes of making it more relevant for users. I would go so far as ask NVDA code contributors to add extensive documentation in source code itself – it is now possible to do it easily with help from a module called Sphinx, a source code based documentation generator. There are major issues to consider, however:
My responses to the above questions are:
Another wish I have, mostly for Quentin: can we develop some sort of a training program for would-be contributors wishing to improve the overall NVDA community documentation, including the user guide? It may include basics on technical writing, tone and style, audience analysis, exercises where coding and documentation should be done together, and documentation production in a variety of formats (including online media). I think this may help us dive deeper into user guide issues being brought up, including the guide being “too thick” for newbies (in terms of understanding, lack of solid examples, and friendliness), especially for preferences chapter. Cheers, Joseph
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Joseph, Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041 It’s hard waking up and realizing it’s not always black and white. ~ Kelley Boorn
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Re: NVDA Settings Documentation
Joseph,
First, in reference to your final comment, there are different levels of documentation for end users, too. All user guides I've ever seen, and I say this as a tech geek, are "too thick/too information dense" for newbies, but they're really not meant as getting started guides, either. Hence the rise of the getting started guide, which is really focused on just that, as well as, oftentimes, an intermediate guide that hacks out of the full user guide the things that most users use most of the time, and tweaking as needed. There is no way that I've ever seen that one can create documentation that is really useful for newbies, versus average somewhat sophisticated users, versus those who are willing and able to do "deep dives under the hood." As to the mindset of code contributors, and I speak from general experience of many years in software development, you are going to have to be able to discuss your software with someone who knows next to nothing about how it works and do so such that they can understand what you're saying. Coders take specifications (or often they do) which are minimum requirements, and often more, and translate those into working code. You very often have to go back and forth with the specification writers, who have back and forth with end users requesting something, and often both on the front end, and then after the code is written, if you're not writing the documentation yourself, with the technical writers who are tasked with producing same. It is, and always has been, a myth that coders can live in a coding-only bubble and not have to interact with those outside that bubble about anything. And some of the biggest problems in the industry as a whole are the direct result of trying to create that artificial bubble that have failed, and repeatedly, before most organizations clue in to the concept that computer people do have to have people skills and be willing to use them. A spectacular coder who cannot communicate about what they're producing to others is worth less, in any organization I've been in, than a good coder who can communicate with ease with all other stakeholders about what they're producing. -- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041 It’s hard waking up and realizing it’s not always black and white. ~ Kelley Boorn
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Re: NVDA and current selection in file explorer
hurrikennyandopo ...
Hi
the add on is not on the nvaccess add on page.
it came across the list so I downloaded it and put it into my drop box account where I have other add ons for earlier versions of nvda and later ones. They are keaped on my nvda add ons page on my website. some of them you will not find on the NVACCESS add on page.
The file wil tell you how many of the files are selected in the file manager as for some reason it is broken in Windows 10. You will need to know how to select the files which I done a rough tutorial for that I posted across the list. It will be tidied up and later on put on the website along with some other material.
The file can be gotten from https://www.dropbox.com/s/a935bus11i8y8k0/ZExplorer_1.0_Gen.nvda-addon?dl=1
On 19/10/2020 8:29 am, Louise Pfau
wrote:
Hi. I can't find the add-on you mentioned in the community add-ons list, which is where I go to get my add-ons. Where did you originally find it?
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Re: NVDA Settings Documentation
Hi, Agreed (that’s one of the reasons why I comment a lot in my add-on source code). One holiday wish I have (possibly a long-term wish) is to help folks get started on revamping the NVDA community documentation. At least this can include add-on user guides, but I foresee a day where the screen reader user guide would not escape this rewrite in hopes of making it more relevant for users. I would go so far as ask NVDA code contributors to add extensive documentation in source code itself – it is now possible to do it easily with help from a module called Sphinx, a source code based documentation generator. There are major issues to consider, however:
My responses to the above questions are:
Another wish I have, mostly for Quentin: can we develop some sort of a training program for would-be contributors wishing to improve the overall NVDA community documentation, including the user guide? It may include basics on technical writing, tone and style, audience analysis, exercises where coding and documentation should be done together, and documentation production in a variety of formats (including online media). I think this may help us dive deeper into user guide issues being brought up, including the guide being “too thick” for newbies (in terms of understanding, lack of solid examples, and friendliness), especially for preferences chapter. Cheers, Joseph
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2020 11:56 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Settings Documentation
Joseph, Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041 It’s hard waking up and realizing it’s not always black and white. ~ Kelley Boorn
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Re: NVDA and current selection in file explorer
Louise Pfau
Hi. I can't find the add-on you mentioned in the community add-ons list, which is where I go to get my add-ons. Where did you originally find it?
Thanks, Louise
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Re: BARD express
Joshua Hendrickson
I know, it is so awesome. Bard express works so well now with the new
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version of NVDA.
On 10/18/20, Robert Doc Wright godfearer <godfearer@comcast.net> wrote:
I am pleased with how nvda is much better. I am able to gett all of the --
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BARD express
Robert Doc Wright godfearer
I am pleased with how nvda is much better. I am
able to gett all of the annotation now while using the advance
mode.
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Re: NVDA Settings Documentation
Joseph,
While I applaud your efforts, and tutorials are invaluable, I wasn't even going that far. I'm talking basic documentation, where each item in a panel/pane/settings group in a given pane are briefly documented. There are myriad NVDA settings that, if their actual function is not directly obvious, which is the case, for example, with most checkboxes, then they're a black hole. Even I will admit that for all software it is a limited number of end users who refer to this sort of thing. That being said, some do, and it serves as a very important basis for new developers to develop depth of knowledge of "what's in there and what it's for." I was just commenting to someone for whom I've done custom VBA scripting for Outlook that I am eternally grateful to myself for having developed the habit of rigorously commenting my code, at a bare minimum, as even I would have no idea what some of what I've written actually does when looking at it much later. Complex stuff doesn't remain in "off the top of my head" mode (for most "mes") as time moves on. That's one of the reasons that basic documentation is so important. -- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041 It’s hard waking up and realizing it’s not always black and white. ~ Kelley Boorn
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Re: Maximum number of characters on one line
Gene
The browser is what breaks up material into lines on web pages exdcept, of course, where a new paragraph begins. When browse mode or the virtual pc cursor format a page, they ddetermine how many carachters will be on a line. When you set the number of carachters, you are determining how long you want a line to be.
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From: Luke Robinett Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2020 11:13 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Maximum number of characters on one line To be honest, I’ve never even understood what that setting means or what it even correlates to. Maximum characters for what? Isn’t NVDA just reading whatever you are telling it to? Something I could obviously use more education on. On Oct 17, 2020, at 8:57 PM, Eilana Benish <benish.ilana@gmail.com> wrote: Hello why in NVDA, user can't change the Maximum number of characters on one line from mor then 250 Characters? Allowing this feature will help in very long and complex documents When the user wants to read the entire line with NVDA and up arrow? -- ובכבוד רב | Sincerely, אילנה בניש מורשה נגישות שירות 2200 | Eilana Benish, service Accessibility authorized (2200) ניהול פרויקטים – נגישות ושמישות אינטרנט וטכנולוגיות מידע | Projects manager – Accessibility & usability on internet and ICT 📱 +972-50-7100367 | 📧 benish.ilana@gmail.com
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Re: NVDA Settings Documentation
Hi, Generally, the newer the setting, it is better documented in the user guide. For example, consider the just mentioned setting in browse mode panel versus touch interaction panel – the former is an old setting, while the latter is a recent section (bonus: I wrote the touch interaction section apart from a bit on toggling touch interaction with a keyboard command). The user guide as currently stands has limitations, including covering only the basic scenarios. Part of the reason why I produced Welcome to NVDA tutorial series (2013, 2015, 2018) was due to personal frustrations with the NVDA user guide. The biggest frustration is the issue Brian mentioned: lack of real-life scenarios. This is why when you listen to (or watch video) tutorials, you’ll notice more real-life examples being presented, and I believe that’s one of the strengths of NV Access’s own basic training material as well. One idea I briefly considered was producing the fourth edition of Welcome to NVDA series this year but shelved it, knowing that there are folks who can produce better tutorial sets, along with the fact that NV Access has a basic training material now. But if there is a really strong demand for it, I’ll revisit this idea next year, with a possibility that the fourth edition will be the last Welcome to NVDA set I produce. Cheers, Joseph
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2020 9:35 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: [nvda] NVDA Settings Documentation
Does such exist? Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041 It’s hard waking up and realizing it’s not always black and white. ~ Kelley Boorn
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NVDA Settings Documentation
Does such exist?
When reviewing the User Guide (at least what I've been able to find) there is very little to nothing regarding a number of NVDA settings, what they do, and how they change interaction with "the real world" things NVDA's working with. One example is the Maximum Characters per line setting in Browse settings. I can find absolutely nothing that clearly documents what that setting does or what changing it will do to NVDA's behavior. I have to presume that there is a document that would go, panel by panel, and setting-by-setting, through these and what they do. But if such exists, I really don't know where it is. -- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041 It’s hard waking up and realizing it’s not always black and white. ~ Kelley Boorn
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Re: NVDA 2020.3: enable selective registration for UA automation events not having any impact in visual studio 2019
Luke Robinett
Yeah. Honestly there are a lot of problems with NVDA and visual studio. I am amazed I am as productive as I am in that software given I don’t have access to even a fraction of what cited users do because of the lack of support.
On Oct 17, 2020, at 12:44 AM, rowen brian <manchen0528@...> wrote:
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Re: Maximum number of characters on one line
Luke Robinett
To be honest, I’ve never even understood what that setting means or what it even correlates to. Maximum characters for what? Isn’t NVDA just reading whatever you are telling it to? Something I could obviously use more education on.
On Oct 17, 2020, at 8:57 PM, Eilana Benish <benish.ilana@...> wrote:
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Re: Windows 10 App Essentials 20.10.2 released, a few notices about add-on development for the next few weeks
#addonrelease
Hettie
Hi Luke
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Thanks, will install it. Hettie
On 2020/10/17 5:21 pm, Luke Davis wrote:
On Sat, 17 Oct 2020, Hettie wrote:Is Windows 10 App Essentials a windows or nvda app?Neither. It is an NVDA add-on. Press Insert+n, t, and go down to "manage add-ons" and press enter. That will allow you to install add-ons into NVDA. You can press Alt+G to open a web page where you can find add-ons. Move to Windows 10 App Essentials, press enter, move to the "stable version" link, and select that.
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Re: NVDA and current selection in file explorer
hurrikennyandopo ...
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Sorry I thought I had put it into the email as well as the other steps to high light the files you wanted. the link to the drop box where it is is athttps://www.dropbox.com/s/a935bus11i8y8k0/ZExplorer_1.0_Gen.nvda-addon?dl=1 <https://www.dropbox.com/s/a935bus11i8y8k0/ZExplorer_1.0_Gen.nvda-addon?dl=1> Gene nz
On 18/10/2020 3:30 pm, William Wong wrote:
Hi, what is the addon you mentioned in the email?
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Maximum number of characters on one line
Eilana Benish
Hello why in NVDA, user can't change the Maximum number of characters on one line from mor then 250 Characters? Allowing this feature will help in very long and complex documents When the user wants to read the entire line with NVDA and up arrow?
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Re: NVDA and current selection in file explorer
William
Oh sorry, I found out the link in another email.
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William Wong 於 18/10/2020 10:30 寫道:
Hi, what is the addon you mentioned in the email?
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Re: NVDA and current selection in file explorer
William
Hi, what is the addon you mentioned in the email?
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hurrikennyandopo ... 於 18/10/2020 9:36 寫道:
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