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Re: windows feature update 20h2

 

Just noticed its come out, not yet for my laptop, but I will wait for it.

What have users found with it so far.

On 21/10/2020 7:16 am, Don H wrote:
Just installed the latest feature update to Windows 10.  Took less than 10 minutes to install.  I was offered it as a optional update.






Re: Buying Compact vocalizer voices

Daniel McGee <danielmcgee134@...>
 

It is because I have a hearing impairment. This is why I prefer compact versions. I'm only seeing the normal versions of the vocalizer expressive voices and not the compact ones.

On 20 Oct 2020, at 17:24, Joshua Hendrickson <louvins@gmail.com> wrote:

I personally don't know why people like the compact voices. To me,
they sound like complete crap and are all full of static. I've got
Daniel on my computer and could use him with NVDA if I wanted. I have
the scansoft version of him using SAPI5. However, he isn't my
favorite voice. He sounds very arrogant and snobbish at least to me.
But to each their own. Good luck.

On 10/20/20, Chris via groups.io <chrismedley=btinternet.com@groups.io> wrote:
You get all voices available to you to use including Daniel and whatever
other voices you need to use


From: Daniel McGee
Sent: 20 October 2020 16:29
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Buying Compact vocalizer voices

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Joshua Hendrickson





windows feature update 20h2

Don H
 

Just installed the latest feature update to Windows 10.  Took less than 10 minutes to install.  I was offered it as a optional update.


Re: NVDA Settings Documentation

 

Gene,

          There's definitely intelligence being displayed in relation to links, at the very least.  It would be disastrous to split links in virtually any context I can think of.  They really are an atomic unit.

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     ~ Kelley Boorn

 


Re: NVDA Settings Documentation

 

Hi,
Had to dig into C++ part of NvDA to figure this out:
This setting sets browse mode line length, so yes, it applies to when reading by line. Specifically, based on what I can tell, it will do its best to break at word boundaries. This is one of the reasons why links can "span" across multiple lines in browse mode.
In terms of documenting this, one way to improve this is taking Brian's suggestions into account: expand that section and give practical examples, like the following:

This field sets the maximum length of a line in browse mode (in characters) for reading by line purposes.
Unlike documents in programs such as Word and Notepad, browse mode documents do not have a specific line length or a new line character to denote ends of lines.
Because of this, you can set arbitrary line lengths between 10 and 250 characters, and NVDA will try to split lines at word boundaries.
A side effect of this setting is that links and other elements will be split onto multiple browse mode lines.

I'm sure we can make it better, but at least the one I wrote above might be a useful starting point and captures the discussion so far.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2020 9:23 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Settings Documentation

We'll see what others say but I know it applies to moving by lines. If I do something else that causes a line to be read, such as move by screen, with page up or down, or move to beginning or end of a document or tab, I would think it would apply in all those contexts, but we'll see what others say.

The intelligent question is a very interesting one and One I haven't thought of. Based on my experience, I don't recall ever having words split when I read in browse mode and the document has no such splitting, I think it is intelligent.

Just how much of such discussions should be in the user guide depends on what the purpose of the guide is. Perhaps some of these stipulations should be in some sort of document for developers or a wiki rather than in a user guide.

I wonder if this or that effect of a command my not be considered when discussing it by those who really know details. A wiki might be a good way to address this. I just found this very interesting discrepancy:
If I set the line length to a short amount, moving using k to move by link will cause an entire link to be read, no matter how long. Moving by arrow or tab and shift tab, will cause the line length stipulated to be read with more of the link being read as I move in the link. Its an interesting discrepancy and one I wonder if those knowledgeable in the matter have given any thought about as to implementation and what is desirable.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2020 10:53 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Settings Documentation

On Mon, Oct 19, 2020 at 10:32 PM, Gene wrote:
I would compare it to Word Wrap in Notepad except that you define the number of characters before the wrap occurs.- Gene, that is a good analogy. But what I want to know is what "reading command context(s)" this has an effect on. I'm imagining only line-by-line reading, but . . .

Having something under the setting such as, "If a document has a line longer than the number of characters you set, for line reading it will be split into multiple virtual lines of the maximum length you specify."

I also wonder if it's intelligent as far as splitting at word boundaries, not hard and fast character counts. Mid-word splits would make things potentially very ugly.

That setting, naked as it is, is not something that's intuitive, clearly, just based on this topic. And I'm not saying that you're arguing that it is, just restating the need for some context regarding settings where the effect of same is in no way immediately obvious to the uninitiated (and even the initiated, much later on).

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It’s hard waking up and realizing it’s not always black and white.

~ Kelley Boorn


Re: Buying Compact vocalizer voices

Joshua Hendrickson
 

I personally don't know why people like the compact voices. To me,
they sound like complete crap and are all full of static. I've got
Daniel on my computer and could use him with NVDA if I wanted. I have
the scansoft version of him using SAPI5. However, he isn't my
favorite voice. He sounds very arrogant and snobbish at least to me.
But to each their own. Good luck.

On 10/20/20, Chris via groups.io <chrismedley=btinternet.com@groups.io> wrote:
You get all voices available to you to use including Daniel and whatever
other voices you need to use


From: Daniel McGee
Sent: 20 October 2020 16:29
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Buying Compact vocalizer voices

H






--
Joshua Hendrickson

Joshua Hendrickson


Re: NVDA Settings Documentation

Gene
 

We'll see what others say but I know it applies to moving by lines. If I do something else that causes a line to be read, such as move by screen, with page up or down, or move to beginning or end of a document or tab, I would think it would apply in all those contexts, but we'll see what others say.

The intelligent question is a very interesting one and One I haven't thought of. Based on my experience, I don't recall ever having words split when I read in browse mode and the document has no such splitting, I think it is intelligent.

Just how much of such discussions should be in the user guide depends on what the purpose of the guide is. Perhaps some of these stipulations should be in some sort of document for developers or a wiki rather than in a user guide.

I wonder if this or that effect of a command my not be considered when discussing it by those who really know details. A wiki might be a good way to address this. I just found this very interesting discrepancy:
If I set the line length to a short amount, moving using k to move by link will cause an entire link to be read, no matter how long. Moving by arrow or tab and shift tab, will cause the line length stipulated to be read with more of the link being read as I move in the link. Its an interesting discrepancy and one I wonder if those knowledgeable in the matter have given any thought about as to implementation and what is desirable.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2020 10:53 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Settings Documentation

On Mon, Oct 19, 2020 at 10:32 PM, Gene wrote:
I would compare it to Word Wrap in Notepad except that you define the number of characters before the wrap occurs.-
Gene, that is a good analogy. But what I want to know is what "reading command context(s)" this has an effect on. I'm imagining only line-by-line reading, but . . .

Having something under the setting such as, "If a document has a line longer than the number of characters you set, for line reading it will be split into multiple virtual lines of the maximum length you specify."

I also wonder if it's intelligent as far as splitting at word boundaries, not hard and fast character counts. Mid-word splits would make things potentially very ugly.

That setting, naked as it is, is not something that's intuitive, clearly, just based on this topic. And I'm not saying that you're arguing that it is, just restating the need for some context regarding settings where the effect of same is in no way immediately obvious to the uninitiated (and even the initiated, much later on).

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~ Kelley Boorn


Re: control+f - The General Purpose Find Command in Windows

Laurie Mehta
 

Agreed, and very well said. Thank you Gene for this contribution.
LM
“May the Lord of peace himself give you peace at all times and in every way.”
(2 Thessalonians 3:16)

On Oct 20, 2020, at 08:10, Gene <gsasner@gmail.com> wrote:

NVDA f is used for formating information and it is so long established that it should be left as it is. That is particularly so since JAWS uses the same command to announce formatting information, and that makes using the two screen-readers more similar and helps in a transition or if people use both.

Why don't you use the search command as it is? I would think you could change it to something else, since NVDA lets you change keystrokes for commands. But you may want to choose something other than what you initially specified since you would then have to change the announce formatting command and the letter f, standing for formatting, used with the NVDA key is a logical command.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: John Sanfilippo
Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2020 7:02 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] control+f

I have two wishes concerning NVDA control F: 1, That it change to just NVDA f, I never use that. 2, That they do away with having to press Enter when search not found. O, and #, that it makes a sound and wraps to the top again.






Re: control+f - The General Purpose Find Command in Windows

 

On Tue, Oct 20, 2020 at 08:10 AM, Gene wrote:
I would think you could change it to something else, since NVDA lets you change keystrokes for commands.
-
In addition to several Windows utilities.  No software running under Windows is going to change commands of very long standing and that are understood by an immense user base to suit a user or small group of users.

I, like you, encourage people to "get used to it" and use commands as is.  And that's not snarky or nasty, but from having seen, far too often, that people flounder when they customize command sequences and are thrown into a situation where they need to use a different computer.  They very often cannot remember what they've customized nor how they even did it as time passes by.  Being able to be plopped in front of a strange machine, but that's running the screen reader you're familiar with, and being able to just pick up and go is important.  Heck, it happens every time you get a new computer.

Note:  Topic title expanded for archival purposes
 
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Re: Buying Compact vocalizer voices

Chris
 

You get all voices available to you to use including Daniel and whatever other voices you need to use

 

 

From: Daniel McGee
Sent: 20 October 2020 16:29
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Buying Compact vocalizer voices

 

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Re: NVDA Settings Documentation

 

On Mon, Oct 19, 2020 at 10:32 PM, Gene wrote:
I would compare it to Word Wrap in Notepad except that you define the number of characters before the wrap occurs.
-
Gene, that is a good analogy.  But what I want to know is what "reading command context(s)" this has an effect on.  I'm imagining only line-by-line reading, but . . .

Having something under the setting such as, "If a document has a line longer than the number of characters you set, for line reading it will be split into multiple virtual lines of the maximum length you specify."

I also wonder if it's intelligent as far as splitting at word boundaries, not hard and fast character counts.  Mid-word splits would make things potentially very ugly.

That setting, naked as it is, is not something that's intuitive, clearly, just based on this topic.  And I'm not saying that you're arguing that it is, just restating the need for some context regarding settings where the effect of same is in no way immediately obvious to the uninitiated (and even the initiated, much later on).
 
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It’s hard waking up and realizing it’s not always black and white.

     ~ Kelley Boorn

 


Re: Accessing cell content in Braille in Excel for Office 365

Louis Maher
 

Hello,

 

This problem comes up periodically.  You can try unchecking the box which says “allow editing directly in cells”.  In Excel 365, do this:
Open an Excel spreadsheet. 
Type alt + f. Up arrow to options, hit enter. Down arrow to advanced. Tab until you find the box which says “allow editing directly in cells. Uncheck that
box. Shift + Tab until you reach OK. Hit enter.

 

 

 

 

Regards

Louis Maher

Phone: 713-444-7838

E-mail ljmaher03@...

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sylvie Duchateau
Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2020 10:28 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessing cell content in Braille in Excel for Office 365

 

Hello,

This is the same here.

It seems to work better with other screen readers.

May be I should test with former NVDA version to see when this bug has started.

Best

Sylvie

 

De : nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> De la part de Aine Kelly Costello via groups.io
Envoyé : mardi 20 octobre 2020 15:22
À : nvda@nvda.groups.io
Objet : Re: [nvda] Accessing cell content in Braille in Excel for Office 365

 

In Excel with pressing f2, I can view cell contents in Braille but not use cursor to edit. I can use the Braille keyboard to edit but the Braille doesn't update until I get out of that edit field
With QBraille XL and a recent NVDA alpha
Think this has been the case for a while


On Mon, Oct 19, 2020 at 08:13 AM, Brian Moore wrote:

Hi.  this is strange. Not having this problem with a braille display and a shared sheet shared through corporate one drive.  What display are you using?

Brian.

Contact me on skype: brian.moore
follow me on twitter:
http://www.twitter.com/bmoore123

On 10/19/2020 11:12 AM, Sylvie Duchateau wrote:

Hello all,

Using Office 365 for companies for some months now, I have encountered one problem accessing cell content in Braille.

When I want to edit a shared Excel file and write in a particular cell, opening it with F2, NVDA does not refresh the Braille display and I cannot correct typos with the braille display, only with the speech synthesiser.

I use last NVDA 2020.3 version with Office 365 for businesses.

Is it a known problem of NVDA or should I rather contact Microsoft?

Thank you for any experience some of you may have.

Best

Sylvie


 On Mon, Oct 19, 2020 at 08:13 AM, Brian Moore wrote:

Hi.  this is strange. Not having this problem with a braille display and a shared sheet shared through corporate one drive.  What display are you using?

Brian.

Contact me on skype: brian.moore
follow me on twitter:
http://www.twitter.com/bmoore123

On 10/19/2020 11:12 AM, Sylvie Duchateau wrote:

Hello all,

Using Office 365 for companies for some months now, I have encountered one problem accessing cell content in Braille.

When I want to edit a shared Excel file and write in a particular cell, opening it with F2, NVDA does not refresh the Braille display and I cannot correct typos with the braille display, only with the speech synthesiser.

I use last NVDA 2020.3 version with Office 365 for businesses.

Is it a known problem of NVDA or should I rather contact Microsoft?

Thank you for any experience some of you may have.

Best

Sylvie


Buying Compact vocalizer voices

Daniel McGee <danielmcgee134@...>
 

Hello everyone

Is it at all possible to purchase the Compact vocalizer voices to be used in conjunction with NVDA? In particular, UK Daniel compact.

If not, then could this be possible with a future update to the expressive voices for the future? As I personally prefer compact variant to whatever the other one is called.

Am currently in the process of my 7 day trial with the code factory voices. So far, am loving the fact that I can use Eloquence with NVDA. If Daniel compact could also be used that'll be the icing on the cake for me. Plus I'll be using the the same voice on my iPhone.


Thanks in advance for any feedback on this matter.

Regards

Daniel


Re: Accessing cell content in Braille in Excel for Office 365

Sylvie Duchateau
 

Hello,

This is the same here.

It seems to work better with other screen readers.

May be I should test with former NVDA version to see when this bug has started.

Best

Sylvie

 

De : nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> De la part de Aine Kelly Costello via groups.io
Envoyé : mardi 20 octobre 2020 15:22
À : nvda@nvda.groups.io
Objet : Re: [nvda] Accessing cell content in Braille in Excel for Office 365

 

In Excel with pressing f2, I can view cell contents in Braille but not use cursor to edit. I can use the Braille keyboard to edit but the Braille doesn't update until I get out of that edit field
With QBraille XL and a recent NVDA alpha
Think this has been the case for a while


On Mon, Oct 19, 2020 at 08:13 AM, Brian Moore wrote:

Hi.  this is strange. Not having this problem with a braille display and a shared sheet shared through corporate one drive.  What display are you using?

Brian.

Contact me on skype: brian.moore
follow me on twitter:
http://www.twitter.com/bmoore123

On 10/19/2020 11:12 AM, Sylvie Duchateau wrote:

Hello all,

Using Office 365 for companies for some months now, I have encountered one problem accessing cell content in Braille.

When I want to edit a shared Excel file and write in a particular cell, opening it with F2, NVDA does not refresh the Braille display and I cannot correct typos with the braille display, only with the speech synthesiser.

I use last NVDA 2020.3 version with Office 365 for businesses.

Is it a known problem of NVDA or should I rather contact Microsoft?

Thank you for any experience some of you may have.

Best

Sylvie


 On Mon, Oct 19, 2020 at 08:13 AM, Brian Moore wrote:

Hi.  this is strange. Not having this problem with a braille display and a shared sheet shared through corporate one drive.  What display are you using?

Brian.

Contact me on skype: brian.moore
follow me on twitter:
http://www.twitter.com/bmoore123

On 10/19/2020 11:12 AM, Sylvie Duchateau wrote:

Hello all,

Using Office 365 for companies for some months now, I have encountered one problem accessing cell content in Braille.

When I want to edit a shared Excel file and write in a particular cell, opening it with F2, NVDA does not refresh the Braille display and I cannot correct typos with the braille display, only with the speech synthesiser.

I use last NVDA 2020.3 version with Office 365 for businesses.

Is it a known problem of NVDA or should I rather contact Microsoft?

Thank you for any experience some of you may have.

Best

Sylvie


Re: Accessing cell content in Braille in Excel for Office 365

Aine Kelly Costello
 

In Excel with pressing f2, I can view cell contents in Braille but not use cursor to edit. I can use the Braille keyboard to edit but the Braille doesn't update until I get out of that edit field
With QBraille XL and a recent NVDA alpha
Think this has been the case for a while


On Mon, Oct 19, 2020 at 08:13 AM, Brian Moore wrote:

Hi.  this is strange. Not having this problem with a braille display and a shared sheet shared through corporate one drive.  What display are you using?

Brian.

Contact me on skype: brian.moore
follow me on twitter:
http://www.twitter.com/bmoore123
On 10/19/2020 11:12 AM, Sylvie Duchateau wrote:

Hello all,

Using Office 365 for companies for some months now, I have encountered one problem accessing cell content in Braille.

When I want to edit a shared Excel file and write in a particular cell, opening it with F2, NVDA does not refresh the Braille display and I cannot correct typos with the braille display, only with the speech synthesiser.

I use last NVDA 2020.3 version with Office 365 for businesses.

Is it a known problem of NVDA or should I rather contact Microsoft?

Thank you for any experience some of you may have.

Best

Sylvie


 On Mon, Oct 19, 2020 at 08:13 AM, Brian Moore wrote:

Hi.  this is strange. Not having this problem with a braille display and a shared sheet shared through corporate one drive.  What display are you using?

Brian.

Contact me on skype: brian.moore
follow me on twitter:
http://www.twitter.com/bmoore123
On 10/19/2020 11:12 AM, Sylvie Duchateau wrote:

Hello all,

Using Office 365 for companies for some months now, I have encountered one problem accessing cell content in Braille.

When I want to edit a shared Excel file and write in a particular cell, opening it with F2, NVDA does not refresh the Braille display and I cannot correct typos with the braille display, only with the speech synthesiser.

I use last NVDA 2020.3 version with Office 365 for businesses.

Is it a known problem of NVDA or should I rather contact Microsoft?

Thank you for any experience some of you may have.

Best

Sylvie


Re: control+f - The General Purpose Find Command in Windows

Gene
 

NVDA f is used for formating information and it is so long established that it should be left as it is. That is particularly so since JAWS uses the same command to announce formatting information, and that makes using the two screen-readers more similar and helps in a transition or if people use both.

Why don't you use the search command as it is? I would think you could change it to something else, since NVDA lets you change keystrokes for commands. But you may want to choose something other than what you initially specified since you would then have to change the announce formatting command and the letter f, standing for formatting, used with the NVDA key is a logical command.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: John Sanfilippo
Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2020 7:02 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] control+f

I have two wishes concerning NVDA control F: 1, That it change to just NVDA f, I never use that. 2, That they do away with having to press Enter when search not found. O, and #, that it makes a sound and wraps to the top again.


Re: control+f - The General Purpose Find Command in Windows

John Sanfilippo
 

I have two wishes concerning NVDA control F: 1, That it change to just NVDA f, I never use that. 2, That they do away with having to press Enter when search not found. O, and #, that it makes a sound and wraps to the top again.


Re: In-Process for 7th September is out

Steve Nutt
 

Yeah, RH Voice isn't bad but Espeak is better in my view.

All the best

Steve

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-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kevin Cussick via groups.io
Sent: 08 September 2020 21:00
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] In-Process for 7th September is out

Rh voice would be nice I will get the page later if you need it or maybe someone else will b beet me to it.

On 08/09/2020 02:15, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
I think that's a great idea. If more people spoke up about their
favorite voices, we could get them added to NVDA.



On 9/7/2020 10:27 AM, Leslie wrote:

Hay, maybe if we can hear from a large number of people who like
these voices, maybe we can get them added to NVDA. As nonpremium
voices. We know they are always improving.

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*From: *Rosemarie Chavarria <mailto:knitqueen2007@gmail.com>
*Sent: *Monday, September 7, 2020 9:49 AM
*To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject: *Re: [nvda] In-Process for 7th September is out

I'd also like to see the cortana voice added to NVDA without charge.
I really like how she sounds. My favorite voice in the one-core
voices is thefemale voice called Zera. She sounds very clear.

On 9/7/2020 9:04 AM, Leslie wrote:

As I’ve said before, I just love NVDA. And it has all the features
I need being an average computer user. I do think that NVDA.
Should add more of the truly great voices that are out there. I
love the 1 core voices and I also love Nuance. I think that
Cortana voice is one of the best. I’d like to see her added to
NVDA. Without charge. I think the original voices that NVDA. Had
are now pasee and should be droped because their quality isn’t
good anymore. What do you guys think?

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*Sent: *Monday, September 7, 2020 12:37 AM
*To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject: *Re: [nvda] In-Process for 7th September is out

Hmph, if you are happy to pay a load of cash for each version
update from freedomscientiffic or visparo etc thats your issue,
have issues with licences, need scripts for just about everything
like win98 needs drivers, are happy with the possible bad
technical support issues going about and are happy that if it
screws up you need to repair, reinstall or reformat if it totally
goes nuts, not to mention that visparo like suing everyone under
the sun well more than I'd like, go ahead.

When I used their stuff it was ok, but yeah, I never really had
that many problems with it.

Never got into the payed script racket, either.

I had to repair it once or twice, but that was before it became a
beast.

Compaired to nvda well who knows.

The information bandied round the list pluss a few other user
experiences not my own pluss the fact that due to jaws and issues
causing me to have to reformat to make them completely quit, but
mostly information on here pluss what I hear from time to time,
especially with how they got all the competing companies bar
dolphin and that probably because they only just moved out of
using internet explorer puts the impression on me that like
microsoft used to be and may still be that this is a monopoly I
would really like to see the back of.

I certainly am happy I no longer use their software, and unless I
got a job which is what jaws is bandied about by various
governments and stuff, I wouldn't touch it unless I had the cash.

To be hhonest this goes for dolphin stuff which is why I got in
the beta program but that was for a completely selfish reason that
being smuglers, its about all I care about now days.

To be honest, I don't much care for a company who is clearly
running a business for the charity, government and enterprise
market with prices to high for average users to buy, and needing
expensive upgrades and modules for remote access with specialised
blindy bits and bobs.

Nvda and things like narator have opened me to the mainstream, and
with mainstream devices like the amazon echo devices and smart
phones about, when the new normal comes along, I think some of
these things will fall away sharply.

Dolphin seems to recognise this, so does avast.

So does nvaccess which is why I use them for most of my stuff.

Now there are a few things nvda does not do, but everything has
its limits.

But if you plan to use a wordprocesser, a desktop app, a web
brouser or email client or any office app or app using standard
controls or terminals then you don't need jaws for that.

Now some of the mega custom apps and the like specialised
programs, will need specialised software, and yeah, jaws is what
you need and will always need.

Thats not nvda's job.

The job of nvda is to handle all the normal business and home
applications that use standard controls, and the like as well as
web interfaces.

To be honest that is what may happen, specialised software will
need specialised software, and will be charged accordingly.

The only reason I'd get jaws is leasy thats about the only reason
I'd buy jaws now.

And to be honest if leasy would just sell its games module then
I'd just buy that.

On 7/09/2020 12:55 pm, Ron Kolesar wrote:

Here’s hoping it would make the Microsoft Flight simulator
2020 program more accessible.

Unlike it’s predecessor FSX, FS 2020 is not accessible for we
who need to see with our ears.

Even though, all throughout the newsletters and you tube
tutorials, it does have accessibility if your sighted.

This in short isn’t fair.

So, here’s hoping the newer upgrade to NVDA is more accessible
for we blind flight simmer pilots.

Even though, in my opinion, JAWS is a much better program.

Just my opinion.

Ron Ham Radio and Emergency Communication Station KR3DOG

*From:* Quentin Christensen

*Sent:* Sunday, September 6, 2020 19:57

*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

*Subject:* [nvda] In-Process for 7th September is out

In-process is out, this week with news on the upcoming
NVDACon, a new accessible graphs project, a space-themed
accessible RPG and some general tips on making software
accessible:
https://www.nvaccess.org/post/in-process-7th-september-2020/

<https://www.nvaccess.org/post/in-process-7th-september-2020/>

Regards

Quentin.

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In the good old days of Morse code Shorthand, 73's AKA Best
Regards and or Best Whishes,From
Ron Kolesar
Volunteer Certified Licensed Emergency Communications Station
And
Volunteer Certified Licensed Ham Radio Station
With the Call Sign of KR3DOG


Re: NVDA Settings Documentation

Pranav Lal
 

Hi all,

<snip I guess when working out where best to add information, what would you suggest needs adding?  That seems to describe the feature to me, but maybe I am too familiar with it to see what is missing?

PL] When would I want to alter this setting?

 

Pranav


Re: NVDA With Task Manager

 

Yes that is what I thought to.
A lot of these things should only process data while idol.
Of course, if the company in question is having this on their servers
it may simply be set to do whatever it does whenever something is
idol.
That could mean that when you run nvda it may actually take time to
stop whatever then go back.
Of course, having used nvda with some extensive opperations from time
to time, you really don't need to do much to break nvda completely or
slow it down such that its broken unless you reboot.
Excluding waterfox, I have had this happen with some of my recording
programs and with some converters and the like.
Most of the time things come back after a bit or after the app is done
but sometimes depending where all the automated whatevers are at and
so on, I have had situations where things have screwed over and I have
had to reboot but who knows.
Of course if this thing is configured to run taking any idol data asnd
assuming its installed on all the systems it actually may be
monitoring for any idol time available.
This is only a guess, so that being the case I doubt the system can
differentiate exactly what that means.
Nvda to be honest doesn't use that much power generally, I mean it
could run at a stretch on singlecore systems, so depending on addons
and synth used, nvda really doesn't need that much cpu power at all.
As for it being an app, its almost an old style tsr as supposed to an
active thing sitting in systray.
So maybe the saver doesn't reguard it as an active process, and in
some ways it would be right.
Nvda really doesn't process much data by itself all the time if at all.
However it is effected by everything else around it.
Its one of the querks.
Its like the enhanced soundcard issues.
Those enhancements are to hide the small speaker issues with laptops.
They work well with speech in movies and music but tts just aint long
enough a loop to process correctly.

On 20/10/2020, Quentin Christensen <quentin@nvaccess.org> wrote:
I might have missed something here, but shouldn't the screen saver only
come on after there is no activity on the PC for awhile? I know we had an
issue at one time where if you were reading a particularly long piece of
text (which took longer to read than the timeout for the screensaver) it
would stop reading when the screensaver starter. I think we actually
resolved that one, but that's about the only instance I can think of where
the screensaver should cause a problem?

The only other "screensaver" type thing which can be problematic, is there
are a few "distributed computing" programs around now like BOINC and
Folding @ Home and others. They use your computer's idle time (when the
processor isn't busy doing anything else) to compute various things from
finding cures for cancer (or Covid_19), to searching for alien life and
anything else you can think of which would take a lot of computing power.
Sometimes those programs will keep trying to use processing power even when
you are using the PC, and this can cause significant degradation of
performance with screenreaders (and even in general without using a
screenreader).

Otherwise, I'd be interested to learn more about the screenreader causing
problems.

Quentin.

On Tue, Oct 20, 2020 at 1:11 AM Chris Smart <ve3rwj@winsystem.org> wrote:

I just got an error trying that at the Windows 10 CLI:

"set invalid alias verb"


Please advise.


Chris



On 2020-10-19 4:55 a.m., Martin O'Sullivan wrote:
Well I have managed to resolve the problem.

I used the following command to give NVDA a Realtime priority on the
system.

wmic process where name="nvda.exe" CALL set priority 256

NVDA is working faster than it ever did.

The reason I was using task manager is that NVDA was slow.

I also found out why NVDA was slow. Looks like my company is running
some sort of data processing screen saver in the background (World
Community Grid) which is working on testing for bloody covid. So, I am
giving NVDA higher priority than a deadly virus.









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