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locked Re: well, I guess I shouldn't have expected much

 

All,

          I think it's clear that this topic has run its course (and I've been as guilty as anyone as far as topic drift goes).  It no longer really has any connection at all to the stated purpose of this group:  The central purpose of this group is discussing how to use NVDA.  This includes configuring NVDA's settings or familiarizing oneself with its modes and commands.  Discussions about which programs are accessible using NVDA, NVDA add-ons, NVDA tutorials and documentation, and configuring synthesizers or Braille displays for use with NVDA are also permitted. 

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locked Re: well, I guess I shouldn't have expected much

Mary Otten
 

Wow. I can’t stand the Windows 10 email app. I find it inefficient at Cetera. Thunderbird all the way for me. Different strokes. I’m really not having any problem with Thunderbird and NVDA. No sluggishness etc. It works great here.



On Oct 22, 2020, at 3:21 PM, David Moore <jesusloves1966@...> wrote:



The mail app for Windows 10 works beautifully! I work with a thousand emails per day between three accounts! I wrote a tutorial for the mail app that I can send you! David Moore


On Thu, Oct 22, 2020, 9:06 AM John Sanfilippo <johnsanfilippo@...> wrote:
Hi, which PC app do you like for mail. I'm watching out for something to replace Thunderbird. Thanks.

John Sanfilippo


locked Re: well, I guess I shouldn't have expected much

David Moore
 

The mail app for Windows 10 works beautifully! I work with a thousand emails per day between three accounts! I wrote a tutorial for the mail app that I can send you! David Moore


On Thu, Oct 22, 2020, 9:06 AM John Sanfilippo <johnsanfilippo@...> wrote:
Hi, which PC app do you like for mail. I'm watching out for something to replace Thunderbird. Thanks.

John Sanfilippo


Re: NVDA Settings Documentation

 

Hi,
As for that, I'm not sure.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave Grossoehme
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2020 3:16 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Settings Documentation

Joseph: Does that account for compound and/or hyphenized words?

Dave


On 10/20/2020 9:48 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
Had to dig into C++ part of NvDA to figure this out:
This setting sets browse mode line length, so yes, it applies to when reading by line. Specifically, based on what I can tell, it will do its best to break at word boundaries. This is one of the reasons why links can "span" across multiple lines in browse mode.
In terms of documenting this, one way to improve this is taking Brian's suggestions into account: expand that section and give practical examples, like the following:

This field sets the maximum length of a line in browse mode (in characters) for reading by line purposes.
Unlike documents in programs such as Word and Notepad, browse mode documents do not have a specific line length or a new line character to denote ends of lines.
Because of this, you can set arbitrary line lengths between 10 and 250 characters, and NVDA will try to split lines at word boundaries.
A side effect of this setting is that links and other elements will be split onto multiple browse mode lines.

I'm sure we can make it better, but at least the one I wrote above might be a useful starting point and captures the discussion so far.
Cheers,
Joseph



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2020 9:23 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Settings Documentation

We'll see what others say but I know it applies to moving by lines. If I do something else that causes a line to be read, such as move by screen, with page up or down, or move to beginning or end of a document or tab, I would think it would apply in all those contexts, but we'll see what others say.

The intelligent question is a very interesting one and One I haven't thought of. Based on my experience, I don't recall ever having words split when I read in browse mode and the document has no such splitting, I think it is intelligent.

Just how much of such discussions should be in the user guide depends on what the purpose of the guide is. Perhaps some of these stipulations should be in some sort of document for developers or a wiki rather than in a user guide.

I wonder if this or that effect of a command my not be considered when discussing it by those who really know details. A wiki might be a good way to address this. I just found this very interesting discrepancy:
If I set the line length to a short amount, moving using k to move by link will cause an entire link to be read, no matter how long. Moving by arrow or tab and shift tab, will cause the line length stipulated to be read with more of the link being read as I move in the link. Its an interesting discrepancy and one I wonder if those knowledgeable in the matter have given any thought about as to implementation and what is desirable.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2020 10:53 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Settings Documentation

On Mon, Oct 19, 2020 at 10:32 PM, Gene wrote:
I would compare it to Word Wrap in Notepad except that you define the number of characters before the wrap occurs.- Gene, that is a good analogy. But what I want to know is what "reading command context(s)" this has an effect on. I'm imagining only line-by-line reading, but . . .

Having something under the setting such as, "If a document has a line longer than the number of characters you set, for line reading it will be split into multiple virtual lines of the maximum length you specify."

I also wonder if it's intelligent as far as splitting at word boundaries, not hard and fast character counts. Mid-word splits would make things potentially very ugly.

That setting, naked as it is, is not something that's intuitive, clearly, just based on this topic. And I'm not saying that you're arguing that it is, just restating the need for some context regarding settings where the effect of same is in no way immediately obvious to the uninitiated (and even the initiated, much later on).


locked Re: well, I guess I shouldn't have expected much

David Goldfield
 

While I don't want to stray off of the subject of NVDA I did want to point out that there are actually two Thunderbird discussion lists out there.
The first is the Support-Thunderbird list, which is one of the many lists from Mozilla that they make available. I think that it may actually be a newsgroup and, possibly due to the news readers being used by most of the subscribers, there is quite a lot of top quoting which goes on. Still, it will give you a connection to some savvy TB users.
Groups.io also hosts a Thunderbird discussion list, which you can subscribe to via the above link.
Finally, please file any Thunderbird bugs to Bugzilla.

David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
JAWS Certified, 2019

WWW.DavidGoldfield.org
On 10/22/2020 5:59 PM, David Goldfield wrote:

It's interesting that this topic has come up. I've been using Thunderbird for around ten years and I'm currently running it on a system that was probably build around 2007 or 2008 which I bought refurbished and TB is almost as snappy and responsive on that system as Notepad. Yet I remember a dialog that I had with someone with a much more modern system with 32 GB of RAM who reported that TB was very slow, which truly mystified me. In fact, I recently read an article describing Mozilla's plans to improve and modernize Thunderbird with responsiveness being one of the items they wanted to address. This really surprised me as I wondered what they could possibly do to improve TB's performance. Yet this tells me that TB, on some systems, does present noticeable performance issues. I wish I knew more about what those systems have in common but Mozilla is clearly asking the same question and I suspect they'll come closer to finding the answer much faster than I will.


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On 10/22/2020 3:35 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Thu, Oct 22, 2020 at 03:03 PM, Gene wrote:
It may be that on some systems, Thunderbird doesn't work correctly.
-
Oh, just based on repeated comments over time on the blind-tech-related groups about sluggishness and Tbird I am quite certain that's the case.

But what I believe, personally, is that the issue does not lie with Thunderbird itself, but something about how those systems are configured, and whatever it is seems to be in some deep, dark, non-obvious corner.  As I said in another topic earlier today, real bugs hit a huge number of users in the same way, and the sluggishness with Tbird, while not isolated to one person, is definitely isolated to a very small number.  It seems dependent on the machine it's being run on.
 
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Re: NVDA Settings Documentation

Dave Grossoehme
 

Joseph:  Does that account for compound and/or hyphenized words?

Dave

On 10/20/2020 9:48 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
Had to dig into C++ part of NvDA to figure this out:
This setting sets browse mode line length, so yes, it applies to when reading by line. Specifically, based on what I can tell, it will do its best to break at word boundaries. This is one of the reasons why links can "span" across multiple lines in browse mode.
In terms of documenting this, one way to improve this is taking Brian's suggestions into account: expand that section and give practical examples, like the following:

This field sets the maximum length of a line in browse mode (in characters) for reading by line purposes.
Unlike documents in programs such as Word and Notepad, browse mode documents do not have a specific line length or a new line character to denote ends of lines.
Because of this, you can set arbitrary line lengths between 10 and 250 characters, and NVDA will try to split lines at word boundaries.
A side effect of this setting is that links and other elements will be split onto multiple browse mode lines.

I'm sure we can make it better, but at least the one I wrote above might be a useful starting point and captures the discussion so far.
Cheers,
Joseph



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2020 9:23 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Settings Documentation

We'll see what others say but I know it applies to moving by lines. If I do something else that causes a line to be read, such as move by screen, with page up or down, or move to beginning or end of a document or tab, I would think it would apply in all those contexts, but we'll see what others say.

The intelligent question is a very interesting one and One I haven't thought of. Based on my experience, I don't recall ever having words split when I read in browse mode and the document has no such splitting, I think it is intelligent.

Just how much of such discussions should be in the user guide depends on what the purpose of the guide is. Perhaps some of these stipulations should be in some sort of document for developers or a wiki rather than in a user guide.

I wonder if this or that effect of a command my not be considered when discussing it by those who really know details. A wiki might be a good way to address this. I just found this very interesting discrepancy:
If I set the line length to a short amount, moving using k to move by link will cause an entire link to be read, no matter how long. Moving by arrow or tab and shift tab, will cause the line length stipulated to be read with more of the link being read as I move in the link. Its an interesting discrepancy and one I wonder if those knowledgeable in the matter have given any thought about as to implementation and what is desirable.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2020 10:53 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Settings Documentation

On Mon, Oct 19, 2020 at 10:32 PM, Gene wrote:
I would compare it to Word Wrap in Notepad except that you define the number of characters before the wrap occurs.- Gene, that is a good analogy. But what I want to know is what "reading command context(s)" this has an effect on. I'm imagining only line-by-line reading, but . . .

Having something under the setting such as, "If a document has a line longer than the number of characters you set, for line reading it will be split into multiple virtual lines of the maximum length you specify."

I also wonder if it's intelligent as far as splitting at word boundaries, not hard and fast character counts. Mid-word splits would make things potentially very ugly.

That setting, naked as it is, is not something that's intuitive, clearly, just based on this topic. And I'm not saying that you're arguing that it is, just restating the need for some context regarding settings where the effect of same is in no way immediately obvious to the uninitiated (and even the initiated, much later on).


Re: NVDA Settings Documentation

 

On Thu, Oct 22, 2020 at 06:06 PM, Dave Grossoehme wrote:
That's why my programming instructors pointed out in more detail, than I can ever express.
-
A) You are making this way more complicated than it actually is.
B) Descriptions are not meant to be exhaustive, but illustrative.  You do not attempt to put every condition handled gracefully by a piece of software in the user documentation or settings panels.  There is a balance to be struck, and if it's a choice between "short and sweet" or "long and hard to comprehend" the former is the correct choice for end user documentation in every instance.
 
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Re: NVDA Settings Documentation

Dave Grossoehme
 

Good Day:  What happens if there is a shorter line than normal in the middle of your text somewhere, or if the page has a horizontal line to divide the text?  I think there is more to this than what the first idea came out to be.  That's why you need to identifiy everything.  That's why my programming instructors pointed out in more detail, than I can ever express.

Dave


On 10/20/2020 8:53 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Mon, Oct 19, 2020 at 10:32 PM, Gene wrote:
I would compare it to Word Wrap in Notepad except that you define the number of characters before the wrap occurs.
-
Gene, that is a good analogy.  But what I want to know is what "reading command context(s)" this has an effect on.  I'm imagining only line-by-line reading, but . . .

Having something under the setting such as, "If a document has a line longer than the number of characters you set, for line reading it will be split into multiple virtual lines of the maximum length you specify."

I also wonder if it's intelligent as far as splitting at word boundaries, not hard and fast character counts.  Mid-word splits would make things potentially very ugly.

That setting, naked as it is, is not something that's intuitive, clearly, just based on this topic.  And I'm not saying that you're arguing that it is, just restating the need for some context regarding settings where the effect of same is in no way immediately obvious to the uninitiated (and even the initiated, much later on).
 
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locked Re: well, I guess I shouldn't have expected much

David Goldfield
 

It's interesting that this topic has come up. I've been using Thunderbird for around ten years and I'm currently running it on a system that was probably build around 2007 or 2008 which I bought refurbished and TB is almost as snappy and responsive on that system as Notepad. Yet I remember a dialog that I had with someone with a much more modern system with 32 GB of RAM who reported that TB was very slow, which truly mystified me. In fact, I recently read an article describing Mozilla's plans to improve and modernize Thunderbird with responsiveness being one of the items they wanted to address. This really surprised me as I wondered what they could possibly do to improve TB's performance. Yet this tells me that TB, on some systems, does present noticeable performance issues. I wish I knew more about what those systems have in common but Mozilla is clearly asking the same question and I suspect they'll come closer to finding the answer much faster than I will.


David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
JAWS Certified, 2019

WWW.DavidGoldfield.org
On 10/22/2020 3:35 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

On Thu, Oct 22, 2020 at 03:03 PM, Gene wrote:
It may be that on some systems, Thunderbird doesn't work correctly.
-
Oh, just based on repeated comments over time on the blind-tech-related groups about sluggishness and Tbird I am quite certain that's the case.

But what I believe, personally, is that the issue does not lie with Thunderbird itself, but something about how those systems are configured, and whatever it is seems to be in some deep, dark, non-obvious corner.  As I said in another topic earlier today, real bugs hit a huge number of users in the same way, and the sluggishness with Tbird, while not isolated to one person, is definitely isolated to a very small number.  It seems dependent on the machine it's being run on.
 
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Re: NVDA Settings Documentation

Dave Grossoehme
 

Good Day:  My first thought is if you wish to have a block of text stand out, and you want it to spand out to the left, right, or both left and right, but still be centered.  There could be other times for this for a block of text, but getting in to the different options which might even get into different programming coding layouts.

Dave


On 10/20/2020 1:44 AM, Pranav Lal wrote:

Hi all,

<snip I guess when working out where best to add information, what would you suggest needs adding?  That seems to describe the feature to me, but maybe I am too familiar with it to see what is missing?

PL] When would I want to alter this setting?

 

Pranav


Re: NVDA Settings Documentation

Dave Grossoehme
 

Good Day:  Is the limit, the number of characters possible on a line, such as 66 characters use to be the limit in the dos days.  Or the limit number count as many characters that can be placed in a computer screen, or is it limited to a computer page size on the screen?  It might be nice to know what general applications this action is good for.

Dave


On 10/19/2020 4:45 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
Quentin,

         Here's some input in the form of questions.

         What constitutes a line?

          Does the maximum number of characters result in truncation and, if so, under what reading conditions?  (I can't imagine this setting affects read all behavior, for instance).

          If a line (after defined) is longer than that maximum, what happens when that occurs during browse mode?

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Re: nvda and ham calls

Ron Canazzi
 

Hi Sara,

Does this net logger have an edit field for each item?  If so, then either try using screen review or object navigation. I used to use an old ham database program years ago and using NVDA, if you moved to the edit field and then switched to object navigation, highlighted the callsign and then used the 5 key you could usually get it to work. If not try using screen review--a bit clumsy, but it may also work.


On 10/22/2020 4:00 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

I can't do that. I use an app called "netlogger." and using what ever that would be in laptop keys yields "blank blank blank" even though I typed in the stuff. So that won't work. You can find out more about netlogger here. and it's free so feel free to download and see what I mean.

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On 22 Oct 2020, at 11:57, Ron Canazzi wrote:

Hi Sara,

Using JAWS, there was a setting to 'spell alpha numeric expressions.'  NVDA does  not have this option. What I do when running nets is to highlight the callsign and then use the keypad 5 key to read the callsign and if I can't tell what the call is initially, I double punch the 5 key to have the expression spelled alpha numerically as in alpha alpha 2 victor Mike.


On 10/22/2020 1:26 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

Hello to all. For those that don't know, I'm an amateur radio operator, and in a week I'm due to run a net. Fine, except I struggle with reading ham calls. I know on the BNS there was a ham calls option where it would read those such as ke7zum. Is there such a thing for nvda? Or can an option be thought of, an add on that could be turned on and off at will to allow for such? I know this won't happen by the 27th when I'm due to control, but I'm sure I'm not the only one who would like this.

I'm using the ibm tts voices but espeak and david does this as well. I can't code or I would find a way to do this myself.

The thing that makes this harder is not all call signs are 2 by 3 like mine. Some are a 1 by 1, or a 1 by 2. I've even seen some 2 by 2 calls.

Thanks all.

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Re: emphasized and not emphasized> what is this?

Chris
 

It Can be found under document formatting in nvda settings  look for emphasis about the fourth option down

 

 

From: Ibrahim Abedrabbo
Sent: 22 October 2020 22:00
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] emphasized and not emphasized> what is this?

 

Hi folks,

I am now using NVDA 20.3> However, I noticed when I go to websites using firefox and read through the text, NVDA constantly tell me emphasized and not emphasized. I assume it is referring to either underlined or bold text. Is this a new default setting in NVDA? How can I turn this feature off> I just want to read the text and most of the time I care less if a text is underlined or bold. So telling me emphasized or not emphasized several times in one line or one sentence of text makes it hard to focus on the content of this line or sentence.

Any suggestion will be appreciated.

 

Regards,

 

Ibrahim

 

 


emphasized and not emphasized> what is this?

Ibrahim Abedrabbo
 

Hi folks,

I am now using NVDA 20.3> However, I noticed when I go to websites using firefox and read through the text, NVDA constantly tell me emphasized and not emphasized. I assume it is referring to either underlined or bold text. Is this a new default setting in NVDA? How can I turn this feature off> I just want to read the text and most of the time I care less if a text is underlined or bold. So telling me emphasized or not emphasized several times in one line or one sentence of text makes it hard to focus on the content of this line or sentence.

Any suggestion will be appreciated.

 

Regards,

 

Ibrahim


Re: NVDA misbehaving after a Windows Update and NVDA Update

hurrikennyandopo ...
 

Hi


I am guessing it is nvda that you updated and windows near the same time and some thing went wrong.


Maybe if it was windows some of the files needed in windows became un registed and hopefully the tool will fix the problem


Try the Run COM Registration Fixing tool... which is found under the tools section in NVDA and when located press the enter key on it and follow directions.


You might need to restart your computer and hopefully that will fix the problem. I usually shut down the pc then restart it as some times a restart of the pc does not fix the problem



By the way to find out which version of windows you have in the search box type winver then press the enter key and the next page that comes up will tell you the version number of windows.


If it is windows check under the help then about section as I am guessing that is what you are referring to when you said from win 18 to win 20 or some thing like that in the previous email.


If it says nvda 2020.3 then it is up to date with nvda.

 

Gene nz


On 22/10/2020 9:22 pm, r pardhasaradhi reddy wrote:

Hello nvda community! I am facing an issue with NVDA screen reader software. Yesterday I update my Windows 10 version 2018.3 to 2020.
So when I updated my Windows nvda software does not work properly.
It doesn't speak some buttons example when I press the tab button start button cortana button show desktop button and some more buttons but nvda hasn't speak some buttons and dialogue boxes.
When I going to Chrome browser in every time nvda has not responded.
I have to reset the all nvda settings but my problem is not solved.
I already uninstall the software and reinstall it but no change.
Narrator and jaws both are working properly.
How can I solve my problem please help me. Thank you


Re: nvda and ham calls

Sarah k Alawami
 

I can't remember the laptop keys, can someone remind me again? I'm actually not near my windows machine right now. Lol! Sorry all. I'll have to practice this before Tuesday. Lol! I think I tried nvda left and right when focused on a call and got blank blank blank as well. But I was trying to rush through and was trying to only use one hand, which is why I asked about a ham calls add on so I could only use one hand while the other holds a radio.

I don't expect any results by Tuesday but I do want to put the bee in someone's bonnet in that regard.

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On 22 Oct 2020, at 13:05, Chris Smart wrote:

Hey Sara, you'll only get "blank" when you are trying to read the callsign you just entered.

In that case, hit Numpad 4, then a few quick taps of Numpad 5. I'm using a PC keyboard, so you'll have to change those to their Laptop equivalents.


when simply arrowing up and down through a pre-existing list of check-ins, Numpad 5 works every time here.



On 2020-10-22 4:00 p.m., Sarah k Alawami wrote:

I can't do that. I use an app called "netlogger." and using what ever that would be in laptop keys yields "blank blank blank" even though I typed in the stuff. So that won't work. You can find out more about netlogger here. and it's free so feel free to download and see what I mean.

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Check out my adventures with a shadow machine.

to subscribe to the feed click here and you can also follow us on twitter

Our discord is where you will know when we go live on twitch. Feel free to give the channel a follow and see what is up there.

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On 22 Oct 2020, at 11:57, Ron Canazzi wrote:

Hi Sara,

Using JAWS, there was a setting to 'spell alpha numeric expressions.'  NVDA does  not have this option. What I do when running nets is to highlight the callsign and then use the keypad 5 key to read the callsign and if I can't tell what the call is initially, I double punch the 5 key to have the expression spelled alpha numerically as in alpha alpha 2 victor Mike.


On 10/22/2020 1:26 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

Hello to all. For those that don't know, I'm an amateur radio operator, and in a week I'm due to run a net. Fine, except I struggle with reading ham calls. I know on the BNS there was a ham calls option where it would read those such as ke7zum. Is there such a thing for nvda? Or can an option be thought of, an add on that could be turned on and off at will to allow for such? I know this won't happen by the 27th when I'm due to control, but I'm sure I'm not the only one who would like this.

I'm using the ibm tts voices but espeak and david does this as well. I can't code or I would find a way to do this myself.

The thing that makes this harder is not all call signs are 2 by 3 like mine. Some are a 1 by 1, or a 1 by 2. I've even seen some 2 by 2 calls.

Thanks all.

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Re: nvda and ham calls

Chris Smart
 

Hey Sara, you'll only get "blank" when you are trying to read the callsign you just entered.

In that case, hit Numpad 4, then a few quick taps of Numpad 5. I'm using a PC keyboard, so you'll have to change those to their Laptop equivalents.


when simply arrowing up and down through a pre-existing list of check-ins, Numpad 5 works every time here.



On 2020-10-22 4:00 p.m., Sarah k Alawami wrote:

I can't do that. I use an app called "netlogger." and using what ever that would be in laptop keys yields "blank blank blank" even though I typed in the stuff. So that won't work. You can find out more about netlogger here. and it's free so feel free to download and see what I mean.

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On 22 Oct 2020, at 11:57, Ron Canazzi wrote:

Hi Sara,

Using JAWS, there was a setting to 'spell alpha numeric expressions.'  NVDA does  not have this option. What I do when running nets is to highlight the callsign and then use the keypad 5 key to read the callsign and if I can't tell what the call is initially, I double punch the 5 key to have the expression spelled alpha numerically as in alpha alpha 2 victor Mike.


On 10/22/2020 1:26 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

Hello to all. For those that don't know, I'm an amateur radio operator, and in a week I'm due to run a net. Fine, except I struggle with reading ham calls. I know on the BNS there was a ham calls option where it would read those such as ke7zum. Is there such a thing for nvda? Or can an option be thought of, an add on that could be turned on and off at will to allow for such? I know this won't happen by the 27th when I'm due to control, but I'm sure I'm not the only one who would like this.

I'm using the ibm tts voices but espeak and david does this as well. I can't code or I would find a way to do this myself.

The thing that makes this harder is not all call signs are 2 by 3 like mine. Some are a 1 by 1, or a 1 by 2. I've even seen some 2 by 2 calls.

Thanks all.

--

Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website.

Check out my adventures with a shadow machine.

to subscribe to the feed click here and you can also follow us on twitter

Our discord is where you will know when we go live on twitch. Feel free to give the channel a follow and see what is up there.

For stream archives, products you can buy and more visit my main lbry page and my tffp lbry page You will also be able to buy some of my products and eBooks there.

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Re: lion OCR addon

CARLOS-ESTEBAN <carlosestebanpianista@...>
 

Hello, I use this version:
Regards.

Carlos Esteban Martínez Macías.
Músico (pianista) y también ayuda a usuarios con discapacidad visual en el
uso de lectores de pantalla y tecnología.
Experto certificado en el lector de pantalla NVDA.

Musician (pianist) and also help to users with a visual disability in the use of screen readers and technology.
Certified expert in screen reader NVDA.



El jue., 22 de oct. de 2020 a la(s) 09:12, Josh Kennedy (joshknnd1982@...) escribió:
and where do I get the beta from so it works with NVDA 2020.3? 


Re: nvda and ham calls

Sarah k Alawami
 

I can't do that. I use an app called "netlogger." and using what ever that would be in laptop keys yields "blank blank blank" even though I typed in the stuff. So that won't work. You can find out more about netlogger here. and it's free so feel free to download and see what I mean.

--

Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website.

Check out my adventures with a shadow machine.

to subscribe to the feed click here and you can also follow us on twitter

Our discord is where you will know when we go live on twitch. Feel free to give the channel a follow and see what is up there.

For stream archives, products you can buy and more visit my main lbry page and my tffp lbry page You will also be able to buy some of my products and eBooks there.

Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here

On 22 Oct 2020, at 11:57, Ron Canazzi wrote:

Hi Sara,

Using JAWS, there was a setting to 'spell alpha numeric expressions.'  NVDA does  not have this option. What I do when running nets is to highlight the callsign and then use the keypad 5 key to read the callsign and if I can't tell what the call is initially, I double punch the 5 key to have the expression spelled alpha numerically as in alpha alpha 2 victor Mike.


On 10/22/2020 1:26 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

Hello to all. For those that don't know, I'm an amateur radio operator, and in a week I'm due to run a net. Fine, except I struggle with reading ham calls. I know on the BNS there was a ham calls option where it would read those such as ke7zum. Is there such a thing for nvda? Or can an option be thought of, an add on that could be turned on and off at will to allow for such? I know this won't happen by the 27th when I'm due to control, but I'm sure I'm not the only one who would like this.

I'm using the ibm tts voices but espeak and david does this as well. I can't code or I would find a way to do this myself.

The thing that makes this harder is not all call signs are 2 by 3 like mine. Some are a 1 by 1, or a 1 by 2. I've even seen some 2 by 2 calls.

Thanks all.

--

Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website.

Check out my adventures with a shadow machine.

to subscribe to the feed click here and you can also follow us on twitter

Our discord is where you will know when we go live on twitch. Feel free to give the channel a follow and see what is up there.

For stream archives, products you can buy and more visit my main lbry page and my tffp lbry page You will also be able to buy some of my products and eBooks there.

Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here


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They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"


Re: web sites detecting a screen reader

Gene
 

Isn't whether NVDA allows a flag to be used a universal setting that occurs on loading the screen-reader? I'm not sure if it can be implemented in one application.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Luke Robinett
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2020 2:10 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] web sites detecting a screen reader


It’s all about personal preference. I don’t use those navigation links either but some might. The best solution is to create different NVDA configuration profiles and then switch between them as needed, based on particular sites. Currently we can only configure profiles to automatically load based on applications, not websites. It would be cool if this automatic functionality could eventually be extended to websites.

On Oct 22, 2020, at 11:10 AM, Brian Vogel <britechguy@gmail.com> wrote:



Hope,

As the old sayings go, "Different strokes for different folks," and, "Each according to his or her own taste."

That being said, I agree with Mr. Robinett that anyone needs to think long and hard before setting a flag on your screen reader to ignore accessibility-focused features in websites. It often ends up being a "throwing the baby out with the bathwater" sort of affair.
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