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Re: NVDA Addon PDF2Text and python 3

 

Rob,

For the purposes of your testing I am quoting the single line from my original message again, here, so you can determine whether you see the links this time:

I've loved the OCR function of Tracker Software's PDF XChange Viewer for years.  The software is free, and it supports a slew of other languages besides English.

"PDF XChange Viewer" and "slew of other languages" are the click-through links in the preceding sentence.
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Re: NVDA Addon PDF2Text and python 3

 

On Mon, Oct 26, 2020 at 04:45 PM, Rob Hudson wrote:
Not here there aren't.
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Then you need to check your mail settings.  You had my message bottom quoted on the one asking for links, and the links themselves appear in that very bottom quoted material.  I have no idea why they would not be visible to you unless you have the screen reader set in reading mode not to announce links (which is often very useful) and are not using the links list function to see what's there if that's the case.

You need to figure out what's going on at your end, as mine won't be the only links you're not seeing.
 
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Re: NVDA Addon PDF2Text and python 3

Rob Hudson
 

Not here there aren't.
So I guesss I ask Aunt Google.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Vogel" <britechguy@gmail.com>
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2020 12:50:22 -0700
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Addon PDF2Text and python 3

On Mon, Oct 26, 2020 at 03:32 PM, Rob Hudson wrote:


But can you provide a link for this software you're discussing?
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I already did, right in the e-mail message. It is not my custom, nor common custom in general anymore, to provide naked URLs.

There are click-through links for both the software and the language packs in the original message.

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Re: NVDA Addon PDF2Text and python 3

 

On Mon, Oct 26, 2020 at 03:32 PM, Rob Hudson wrote:
But can you provide a link for this software you're discussing?
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I already did, right in the e-mail message.  It is not my custom, nor common custom in general anymore, to provide naked URLs.

There are click-through links for both the software and the language packs in the original message.
 
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Re: NVDA Addon PDF2Text and python 3

Rob Hudson
 

I could google it I know. But can you provide a link for this software you're discussing?

----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Vogel" <britechguy@gmail.com>
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2020 12:19:18 -0700
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Addon PDF2Text and python 3

On Mon, Oct 26, 2020 at 02:49 PM, Daniel Damacena wrote:


As far as I know, it's not able to execute OCR. It converts directly.
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The only way an image PDF, where the image contains text, gets converted to a text-base (or, more likely, image with separate text layer) PDF is via OCR.

I've loved the OCR function of Tracker Software's PDF XChange Viewer ( https://www.tracker-software.com/product/downloads/discontinued ) for years. The software is free, and it supports a slew of other languages ( https://www.tracker-software.com/pdf-xchange-ocr ) besides English. Sadly, it's not accessible for its main function of reading/viewing PDF files, but the OCR process is accessible. A couple of my clients who were graduate students found its capabilities as far as OCR goes extraordinary, as do I. I know that OCR has improved radically over the course of the last several decades, but so far it's the most accurate I've found on some pretty crappy source image PDFs.

I need to look into whether there is a command line invocation for the OCR function that would allow output to be redirected conveniently for PDF XChange Viewer. I never bothered to look into that.

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Re: NVDA Addon PDF2Text and python 3

 

On Mon, Oct 26, 2020 at 02:49 PM, Daniel Damacena wrote:
I use only the command line tool, not the reader.
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Also, on further inspection, I see the pdftotext tool does literally what it says.  The resulting output is in plain text.  And I'm virtually certain that would be easier to navigate than anything in native PDF format with a text layer would be.

Thanks again for this. It looks like it could be very, very handy indeed in certain circumstances.
 
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Re: NVDA Addon PDF2Text and python 3

 

On Mon, Oct 26, 2020 at 02:49 PM, Daniel Damacena wrote:
As far as I know, it's not able to execute OCR. It converts directly.
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The only way an image PDF, where the image contains text, gets converted to a text-base (or, more likely, image with separate text layer) PDF is via OCR.

I've loved the OCR function of Tracker Software's PDF XChange Viewer for years.  The software is free, and it supports a slew of other languages besides English.  Sadly, it's not accessible for its main function of reading/viewing PDF files, but the OCR process is accessible.  A couple of my clients who were graduate students found its capabilities as far as OCR goes extraordinary, as do I.  I know that OCR has improved radically over the course of the last several decades, but so far it's the most accurate I've found on some pretty crappy source image PDFs.

I need to look into whether there is a command line invocation for the OCR function that would allow output to be redirected conveniently for PDF XChange Viewer.  I never bothered to look into that.
 
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Re: NVDA Addon PDF2Text and python 3

Daniel Damacena
 

As far as I know, it's not able to execute OCR. It converts directly. I use only the command line tool, not the reader.

Good luck!

Em 26/10/2020 15:20, Brian Vogel escreveu:

Daniel,

           Thanks very much for the link to the download page for Xpdf and XpdfReader.  It also appears that they have language support for a variety of languages, though, with the exceptions of Greek and Turkish, none of the European languages (other than English, which I presume is the default based on the fact the site is in English) are included in the list of language support packs.

            It's nice that there is an easy way to get the image to OCRed PDF converter integrated directly in to the Windows shell for ease of use, too.

            Just curious whether you use XpdfReader and whether it's accessible?
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Re: NVDA Addon PDF2Text and python 3

 

Daniel,

           Thanks very much for the link to the download page for Xpdf and XpdfReader.  It also appears that they have language support for a variety of languages, though, with the exceptions of Greek and Turkish, none of the European languages (other than English, which I presume is the default based on the fact the site is in English) are included in the list of language support packs.

            It's nice that there is an easy way to get the image to OCRed PDF converter integrated directly in to the Windows shell for ease of use, too.

            Just curious whether you use XpdfReader and whether it's accessible?
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Re: Copy Spoken Text

Luke Robinett <blindgroupsluke@...>
 

You guys probably know this already but there is some limited copy functionality already in NVDA. For example, using object navigation, if you hold down NVDA and press numb pad 5 three times rapidly it will copy the last announced navigator item.

On Oct 25, 2020, at 11:50 AM, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

On Sun, Oct 25, 2020 at 02:28 PM, E.T. wrote:
Agreed. This "missing" function took me by surprise.
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Accidents of history, really.  NVDA started life as a "minimal" core function screen reader that allowed easy extensibility via add-ons.   As time has gone by it's become a far less "minimal" core, often via the absorption of what had started out life as an add-on into the core functionality.

But when the functionality exists as an add-on, the pressing need for it to "become core" is greatly minimized.  So, often, novel core functions will be created rather than integrating add-ons into the core itself.

It's really no different than JAWS in that respect.  There are lots of things that still are done via scripts in JAWS that are analogous to the things done in add-ons in NVDA.

End users, particularly those new to screen readers, need to be made aware of the existence of these scripts/add-ons out there, both official and home grown (but most often shared with whoever needs/wants them).  There are all sorts of arcane tricks that are handled via these that will likely never be integrated into core functionality.
 
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Re: Copy Spoken Text

Luke Robinett <blindgroupsluke@...>
 

Yes, I will certainly add it as a new feature request on GitHub. Admittedly I just assumed somebody had already requested it long ago considering it’s a pretty bread and butter screen reader feature, but it sounds like maybe that’s not the case. Thanks everybody

On Oct 25, 2020, at 11:50 AM, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

On Sun, Oct 25, 2020 at 02:28 PM, E.T. wrote:
Agreed. This "missing" function took me by surprise.
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Accidents of history, really.  NVDA started life as a "minimal" core function screen reader that allowed easy extensibility via add-ons.   As time has gone by it's become a far less "minimal" core, often via the absorption of what had started out life as an add-on into the core functionality.

But when the functionality exists as an add-on, the pressing need for it to "become core" is greatly minimized.  So, often, novel core functions will be created rather than integrating add-ons into the core itself.

It's really no different than JAWS in that respect.  There are lots of things that still are done via scripts in JAWS that are analogous to the things done in add-ons in NVDA.

End users, particularly those new to screen readers, need to be made aware of the existence of these scripts/add-ons out there, both official and home grown (but most often shared with whoever needs/wants them).  There are all sorts of arcane tricks that are handled via these that will likely never be integrated into core functionality.
 
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Re: Zoom and Screen Sharing

Luke Robinett <blindgroupsluke@...>
 

The few times I’ve shared my screen on zoom it has been accessible. You choose to share your screen and then you can hit the tab key to choose from different options, including sharing your entire desktop or just a particular application. There’s also an option to share your computer audio along with the display if you want.
My advice would be to do a dry run with a sighted person so they could give you feedback on how everything shows up on their end. Good luck and let us know how it goes.

On Oct 25, 2020, at 3:29 PM, Jaffar Sidek <jaffar.sidek10@gmail.com> wrote:

HI. Apologies for asking this particular question but I do need some help and advise if it could be managed.


For the next two months, I'll be conducting, fortnightly, the singing segment for my church's Kids worship service, Sunday School, if you like. The services will be conducted on the Zoom platform. Have any any of you done presentations on Zoom? Have you been successful in screen sharing, presenting your segments with Video or Power Point? If so, I would like some help, advise and hints as to how to manage and handle Screen shares as a blind or visually impaired person, the dos and don'ts and what to avoid. All input would be most valuable and appreciated as I will be embarking on this venture for the first time. Thank you and cheers!






Re: Unable to share links on FB

Luke Robinett <blindgroupsluke@...>
 

To be honest I stopped using the desktop version of Facebook five or six years ago because it just seem to get way too cluttered and cumbersome for screen reader users. I exclusively use Facebook on my iPhone because it works pretty smoothly with voiceover. However, reading some of these replies about the mobile Facebook site, maybe I will give it another shot one of these days

On Oct 26, 2020, at 7:51 AM, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote:



It's actually always been like that. And I don't actually find my friends, I don't need to. I really love the changes they have done, navigation of the site is much easier, especially with the aria tags they put on there. You just need to get used to change and that's what I did per the mobile site.

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On 26 Oct 2020, at 5:57, mattias wrote:

e.g the chat link are gone. a nightmear to find the number of frends now. before all changes you only need to click on profile,frends, and see the amount

Den 26 oktober 2020 06:02:32 skrev "Sarah k Alawami" <marrie12@...>:

I actually do not find this to be the case. I'm on m.facebook.com every day and can use all of the site with confidence, and ease of use. It works well with nvda, and is actually at times faster than the iOs app.

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On 25 Oct 2020, at 14:53, mattias wrote:

the new m.facebook.com are crap

Den 24 oktober 2020 16:40:24 skrev "Giles Turnbull" <giles.turnbull@...>:

I am struggling with several things on the new Facebook design, including discovering this morning when I tried to share a post that there doesn't seem to be any way to do that using NVDA!

Something else I tried to do today when I realised I couldn't share the post was to copy and paste the text I wanted to share into a message to two of my friends. I started a new group message to the two people and then pasted the text into the message. I activated the Send button and got the error that I needed to address the message to somebody! Even though the two people's names were still listed as being recipients!

In the old layout (and I'm using the mobile version of FB on my laptop and Firefox browser) I often used to use a custom feeling. I used to type in the feeling search field and activate the Search button, and the result would come up as a link I could use to add it to my post. There is still a search field but no search button ... so I assumed I'd type my feeling in the text field and the result would appear in some sort of list ... but it doesn't! There are buttons for Clear and Cancel but that's it. I've looked through the list of NVDA+F7 elements to see if there's anything disguised as a link, a form field or heading etc, but there's nothing. In fact all of the 120-or-so "standard" feelings like happy, confused, goofy, angry don't show up in any of the NVDA+F7 elements ... in the page itself they are not reported as clicable elements, even though they function that way.

In the old layout I could choose from I think it was 6 reactions to comments on my posts ... I could react with like, love, care, haha, sad and angry. Now it seems that Like is the only reaction available.

If any NVDAers have figured out ways to do these things I'd be hugely grateful for guidance ... I'd post on FB about it with the feeling: overjoyed! :)

Giles


Re: NVDA Addon PDF2Text and python 3

Daniel Damacena
 

I use a tool to convert pdf files to txt ones. It is called xpdf. The link is below:

https://www.xpdfreader.com/download.html

Download the command line tool. Put a shortcut of the pdftotxt.exe on the context menu by doing as follows:

press win + r. type "shell:sendto" and paste the shortcut.

Now all you have to do to convert a file is to press applications, send to, pdftotxt.

A file with the same name will be put in the same folder, but converted to txt.

Em 26/10/2020 04:47, felix keller escreveu:

Hello list,
There was once the NVDA extension PDF2Text.
Could someone see if they could be converted to Python 3?
To see the extensions you can use the following link:
https://jeff.tdrealms.com/Add-Ons/PDF2Text.nvda-addon
I would look forward to feedback.
Kind regards
Felix Keller





Add-on Updater 20.11 released, requires NVDA 2020.3 #addonrelease

 

Hello all,

Add-on Updater 20.11 is now available. This version incorporates more linting fixes and a bug fix for people testing NVDA from source code where the add-on would not load properly. Just like you’ve done it for the last two years, you can check for Add-on Updater updates through Add-on Updater add-on (phew, quite a tongue twister).

 

IMPORTANT: Add-on Updater 20.11 requires NVDA 2020.3 due to add-on support policy (Add-on Updater requires latest stable version of NVDA).

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: Unable to share links on FB

Sarah k Alawami
 

It's actually always been like that. And I don't actually find my friends, I don't need to. I really love the changes they have done, navigation of the site is much easier, especially with the aria tags they put on there. You just need to get used to change and that's what I did per the mobile site.

--

Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website.

Check out my adventures with a shadow machine.

to subscribe to the feed click here and you can also follow us on twitter

Our discord is where you will know when we go live on twitch. Feel free to give the channel a follow and see what is up there.

For stream archives, products you can buy and more visit my main lbry page and my tffp lbry page You will also be able to buy some of my products and eBooks there.

Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here

On 26 Oct 2020, at 5:57, mattias wrote:

e.g the chat link are gone. a nightmear to find the number of frends now. before all changes you only need to click on profile,frends, and see the amount

Den 26 oktober 2020 06:02:32 skrev "Sarah k Alawami" <marrie12@...>:

I actually do not find this to be the case. I'm on m.facebook.com every day and can use all of the site with confidence, and ease of use. It works well with nvda, and is actually at times faster than the iOs app.

--

Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website.

Check out my adventures with a shadow machine.

to subscribe to the feed click here and you can also follow us on twitter

Our discord is where you will know when we go live on twitch. Feel free to give the channel a follow and see what is up there.

For stream archives, products you can buy and more visit my main lbry page and my tffp lbry page You will also be able to buy some of my products and eBooks there.

Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here

On 25 Oct 2020, at 14:53, mattias wrote:

the new m.facebook.com are crap

Den 24 oktober 2020 16:40:24 skrev "Giles Turnbull" <giles.turnbull@...>:

I am struggling with several things on the new Facebook design, including discovering this morning when I tried to share a post that there doesn't seem to be any way to do that using NVDA!

Something else I tried to do today when I realised I couldn't share the post was to copy and paste the text I wanted to share into a message to two of my friends. I started a new group message to the two people and then pasted the text into the message. I activated the Send button and got the error that I needed to address the message to somebody! Even though the two people's names were still listed as being recipients!

In the old layout (and I'm using the mobile version of FB on my laptop and Firefox browser) I often used to use a custom feeling. I used to type in the feeling search field and activate the Search button, and the result would come up as a link I could use to add it to my post. There is still a search field but no search button ... so I assumed I'd type my feeling in the text field and the result would appear in some sort of list ... but it doesn't! There are buttons for Clear and Cancel but that's it. I've looked through the list of NVDA+F7 elements to see if there's anything disguised as a link, a form field or heading etc, but there's nothing. In fact all of the 120-or-so "standard" feelings like happy, confused, goofy, angry don't show up in any of the NVDA+F7 elements ... in the page itself they are not reported as clicable elements, even though they function that way.

In the old layout I could choose from I think it was 6 reactions to comments on my posts ... I could react with like, love, care, haha, sad and angry. Now it seems that Like is the only reaction available.

If any NVDAers have figured out ways to do these things I'd be hugely grateful for guidance ... I'd post on FB about it with the feeling: overjoyed! :)

Giles


Re: Unable to share links on FB

Bob Jutzi
 

I just found the Share feature is still accessible with NVDA after all
when using FB Mobile.  When clicking the Share link, the Share options
are now at the bottom of the screen so you can use CTRL-End to get
there.  I'm using the newest Edge but assuming this works on other browsers.

On 10/26/2020 9:40 AM, Giles Turnbull wrote:
Hi Sarah,

I use only Facebook mobile.

Giles





Re: NVDA Addon PDF2Text and python 3

 

What did this add-on do that NVDA OCR cannot do, or a third-party OCR engine in a PDF Reader cannot do?  I am unfamiliar with the add-on or its function, but the name suggests that it does OCR on image scanned PDFs.

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locked Re: Possible to purchase Microsoft outlook separately?

Daniel McGee
 

I apologize  for posting to the wrong group and will keep it in mind for future conversations.

Thank you for the info that you provided though. It's much appreciated.      

On 26 Oct 2020, at 01:45, Sascha Cowley via groups.io <sascha.camille@...> wrote:

First, this topic almost certainly belongs on the chat sub-list.

Second, A search on the Microsoft website reveals this link to buy Microsoft Outlook, though it might not be exactly what you're after.


Re: Unable to share links on FB

Giles Turnbull
 

Hi mattias, thanks for that basic link. I wasn't aware of that version of the old m.facebook.com site that I always used to use.

I don't know whether Facebook will keep that old-style version permanently active, but I hope so! :)

Giles

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