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Re: Two NVDA Questions

Sarah k Alawami
 

For your first question it's nvda plus f5 per the manual. At least it is for the laptop function. Dunno about desktop keystrokes.

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On 27 Oct 2020, at 3:18, Sam Taylor via groups.io wrote:

I can answer your second question.

Pressing NVDA + dot, or numpad 2 if using desktop layout, reports the character of the current navigator object.Pressing the key combination 3 times will give you the ascii and hexidecimal value.


On 27/10/2020 7:55 pm, Pele West wrote:

Hi Everyone

I have two separate NVDA questions, so apologise for the less than
helpful subject line.

1. Is there a way of getting NVDA to redraw the screen, or rather to get
it to check the screen again? This was possible in Window-Eyes (which I
know I should not mention), but I am using it so people know what I am
trying to do.

2. Is there a way to get NVDA to display the value of the character
under the cursor? In days gone by they were ASCII values, but I suspect
they will be UTF8 now?

Thanks

Pele West








Re: Two NVDA Questions

Pele West
 

Hi Ralf

Thanks so much.

Pele


Tutorials On New Facebook Platform?

David Russell
 

Hello NVDA Group,

I am using the mobile version of Facebook, as historically, it has
been much easier and convenient with the aid of NVDA. However, as the
new interface has replaced the classic version, I cannot find info
that is up-to-date on:
How to delete messages
Generate a new message to any of my friends
Determine the type of reaction by individual group members to my posts
It now says for example, three liked, one cared.

Access World by AFB has some instruction, but not sure that it is as
current as needed. Thanks in advance for your potential help.

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David Russell
david.sonofhashem@gmail.com


Re: Two NVDA Questions

Pele West
 

Hi Sam

Thanks. There is always something new to learn.

Pele


Re: Two NVDA Questions

Vaibhav Saraf
 

Hi Sam,

Thanks for that info. Recently I was getting confused between *v* and *b* announcement. Pressing the combination twice helped me in the case.

Thanks,
Vaibhav

On Tue, 27 Oct 2020 at 15:48, Sam Taylor via groups.io <samtaylor9=me.com@groups.io> wrote:

I can answer your second question.

Pressing NVDA + dot, or numpad 2 if using desktop layout, reports the character of the current navigator object.Pressing the key combination 3 times will give you the ascii and hexidecimal value.


On 27/10/2020 7:55 pm, Pele West wrote:

Hi Everyone

I have two separate NVDA questions, so apologise for the less than
helpful subject line.

1. Is there a way of getting NVDA to redraw the screen, or rather to get
it to check the screen again? This was possible in Window-Eyes (which I
know I should not mention), but I am using it so people know what I am
trying to do.

2. Is there a way to get NVDA to display the value of the character
under the cursor? In days gone by they were ASCII values, but I suspect
they will be UTF8 now?

Thanks

Pele West








Re: Two NVDA Questions

Ralf Kefferpuetz
 

And I answer the first question. NVDA-F5 refreshes the browser buffer.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sam Taylor via groups.io
Sent: Dienstag, 27. Oktober 2020 11:19
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Two NVDA Questions

 

I can answer your second question.

Pressing NVDA + dot, or numpad 2 if using desktop layout, reports the character of the current navigator object.Pressing the key combination 3 times will give you the ascii and hexidecimal value.

 

On 27/10/2020 7:55 pm, Pele West wrote:

Hi Everyone
 
I have two separate NVDA questions, so apologise for the less than
helpful subject line.
 
1. Is there a way of getting NVDA to redraw the screen, or rather to get
it to check the screen again? This was possible in Window-Eyes (which I
know I should not mention), but I am using it so people know what I am
trying to do.
 
2. Is there a way to get NVDA to display the value of the character
under the cursor? In days gone by they were ASCII values, but I suspect
they will be UTF8 now?
 
Thanks
 
Pele West
 
 
 
 
 
 
 


Re: Two NVDA Questions

Sam Taylor
 

I can answer your second question.

Pressing NVDA + dot, or numpad 2 if using desktop layout, reports the character of the current navigator object.Pressing the key combination 3 times will give you the ascii and hexidecimal value.


On 27/10/2020 7:55 pm, Pele West wrote:

Hi Everyone

I have two separate NVDA questions, so apologise for the less than
helpful subject line.

1. Is there a way of getting NVDA to redraw the screen, or rather to get
it to check the screen again? This was possible in Window-Eyes (which I
know I should not mention), but I am using it so people know what I am
trying to do.

2. Is there a way to get NVDA to display the value of the character
under the cursor? In days gone by they were ASCII values, but I suspect
they will be UTF8 now?

Thanks

Pele West








Two NVDA Questions

Pele West
 

Hi Everyone

I have two separate NVDA questions, so apologise for the less than
helpful subject line.

1. Is there a way of getting NVDA to redraw the screen, or rather to get
it to check the screen again? This was possible in Window-Eyes (which I
know I should not mention), but I am using it so people know what I am
trying to do.

2. Is there a way to get NVDA to display the value of the character
under the cursor? In days gone by they were ASCII values, but I suspect
they will be UTF8 now?

Thanks

Pele West


Re: Zoom and Screen Sharing

Ralf Kefferpuetz
 

I use the NVDA built-in OCR with NVDA-R to explore the content of a presentation. All you have to make sure is that you are on the part of Zoom where NVDA says “Zoom Meeting”. You can go there with F6.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sam Taylor via groups.io
Sent: Dienstag, 27. Oktober 2020 09:51
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Zoom and Screen Sharing

 

Actually, the LION OCR Addon sometimes discussed on-list does a decent job when invoked in Zoom Screen Sharing.

 

On 27/10/2020 6:49 pm, Sylvie Duchateau wrote:

Hello,
Yes, sharing the screen is rather easy. You can use the short cut alt + S to access the sharing options.
But in none of the conferencing systems I have seen a possibility to see the shared content from others with NVDA or any other screen reader. This windows remains inaccessible for us.
Best
Sylvie
-----Message d'origine-----
De : nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> De la part de Luke Robinett via groups.io
Envoyé : lundi 26 octobre 2020 19:13
À : nvda@nvda.groups.io
Objet : Re: [nvda] Zoom and Screen Sharing
 
The few times I’ve shared my screen on zoom it has been accessible. You choose to share your screen and then you can hit the tab key to choose from different options, including sharing your entire desktop or just a particular application. There’s also an option to share your computer audio along with the display if you want.
My advice would be to do a dry run with a sighted person so they could give you feedback on how everything shows up on their end. Good luck and let us know how it goes.
 
On Oct 25, 2020, at 3:29 PM, Jaffar Sidek <jaffar.sidek10@...> wrote:
 
HI.  Apologies for asking this particular question but I do need some help and advise if it could be managed.
 
 
For the next two months, I'll be conducting, fortnightly, the singing segment for my church's Kids worship service,  Sunday School, if you like.  The services will be conducted on the Zoom platform.  Have any any of you done presentations on Zoom?  Have you been successful in screen sharing, presenting your segments with Video or Power Point?  If so, I would like some help, advise and hints as to how to manage and handle Screen shares as a blind or visually impaired person, the dos and don'ts and what to avoid.  All input would be most valuable and appreciated as I will be embarking on this venture for the first time.  Thank you and cheers!
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 


Re: Zoom and Screen Sharing

Sam Taylor
 

Actually, the LION OCR Addon sometimes discussed on-list does a decent job when invoked in Zoom Screen Sharing.


On 27/10/2020 6:49 pm, Sylvie Duchateau wrote:
Hello,
Yes, sharing the screen is rather easy. You can use the short cut alt + S to access the sharing options.
But in none of the conferencing systems I have seen a possibility to see the shared content from others with NVDA or any other screen reader. This windows remains inaccessible for us.
Best
Sylvie
-----Message d'origine-----
De : nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> De la part de Luke Robinett via groups.io
Envoyé : lundi 26 octobre 2020 19:13
À : nvda@nvda.groups.io
Objet : Re: [nvda] Zoom and Screen Sharing

The few times I’ve shared my screen on zoom it has been accessible. You choose to share your screen and then you can hit the tab key to choose from different options, including sharing your entire desktop or just a particular application. There’s also an option to share your computer audio along with the display if you want.
My advice would be to do a dry run with a sighted person so they could give you feedback on how everything shows up on their end. Good luck and let us know how it goes.

On Oct 25, 2020, at 3:29 PM, Jaffar Sidek <jaffar.sidek10@...> wrote:

HI.  Apologies for asking this particular question but I do need some help and advise if it could be managed.


For the next two months, I'll be conducting, fortnightly, the singing segment for my church's Kids worship service,  Sunday School, if you like.  The services will be conducted on the Zoom platform.  Have any any of you done presentations on Zoom?  Have you been successful in screen sharing, presenting your segments with Video or Power Point?  If so, I would like some help, advise and hints as to how to manage and handle Screen shares as a blind or visually impaired person, the dos and don'ts and what to avoid.  All input would be most valuable and appreciated as I will be embarking on this venture for the first time.  Thank you and cheers!
















Re: Zoom and Screen Sharing

Sylvie Duchateau
 

Hello,
Yes, sharing the screen is rather easy. You can use the short cut alt + S to access the sharing options.
But in none of the conferencing systems I have seen a possibility to see the shared content from others with NVDA or any other screen reader. This windows remains inaccessible for us.
Best
Sylvie

-----Message d'origine-----
De : nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> De la part de Luke Robinett via groups.io
Envoyé : lundi 26 octobre 2020 19:13
À : nvda@nvda.groups.io
Objet : Re: [nvda] Zoom and Screen Sharing

The few times I’ve shared my screen on zoom it has been accessible. You choose to share your screen and then you can hit the tab key to choose from different options, including sharing your entire desktop or just a particular application. There’s also an option to share your computer audio along with the display if you want.
My advice would be to do a dry run with a sighted person so they could give you feedback on how everything shows up on their end. Good luck and let us know how it goes.

On Oct 25, 2020, at 3:29 PM, Jaffar Sidek <jaffar.sidek10@gmail.com> wrote:

HI. Apologies for asking this particular question but I do need some help and advise if it could be managed.


For the next two months, I'll be conducting, fortnightly, the singing segment for my church's Kids worship service, Sunday School, if you like. The services will be conducted on the Zoom platform. Have any any of you done presentations on Zoom? Have you been successful in screen sharing, presenting your segments with Video or Power Point? If so, I would like some help, advise and hints as to how to manage and handle Screen shares as a blind or visually impaired person, the dos and don'ts and what to avoid. All input would be most valuable and appreciated as I will be embarking on this venture for the first time. Thank you and cheers!






Re: Excel Column and row headings not recognized by JAWS

 

If you have done just that, and the result does not work across screen readers, then you've found yourself a bug.

Do you have a GitHub account set up to look at the NVAccess/NVDA project?  If so, you should search to see if there's an open issue and, if not, create one.
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     ~ Kelley Boorn

 


Re: Excel Column and row headings not recognized by JAWS

Gerry Chevalier <gerry.chevalier@...>
 

Have done just that. The Define Name lables created by NVDA are not the same format as those used by JAWS. I'm just suggesting NVDA should fix them or remove the comment in the manual about JAWS compatibility.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tyler Spivey
Sent: Monday, October 26, 2020 8:21 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Excel Column and row headings not recognized by JAWS

The way to test this is to create a new blank spreadsheet, add some columns, define the headers with the NVDA commands and see if they show up as name ranges.
If they don't, then that's a problem with how NVDA sets them up.


On 10/26/2020 7:15 PM, Gerry Chevalier wrote:
I appreciate the link to Alan’s tutorial but I know how to set the
Define Name Excel labels for rows and columns according to JAWS which
Alan refers to as option 1. That’s not the issue. My question is if I
set row and column headings with NVDA those headings are not
recognized with JAWS but the NVDA user guide says they should be.

Thanks, Gerry

*From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Brian
Vogel
*Sent:* Monday, October 26, 2020 7:59 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Excel Column and row headings not recognized by
JAWS

See Alan Lemly's tutorial on the Microsoft Office Accessibility
Discussion Group, in topic, */Reading row and column headers using
Excel defined titles tutorial/*
<https://groups.io/g/office-accessibility/message/511>;

His message has downloadable examples and the whole tutorial itself,
from Dropbox.

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Brian *-*Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041

/It’s hard waking up and realizing it’s not always black and white./

~ Kelley Boorn


Re: Excel Column and row headings not recognized by JAWS

Gerry Chevalier <gerry.chevalier@...>
 

Yes, I get it. I need to use the JAWS method for Excel Define Name labels as Alan explains in his tutorial. the NVDA shortcut keys do not create JAWS compatible Define Name labels even though the manual indicates so.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Monday, October 26, 2020 8:12 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Excel Column and row headings not recognized by JAWS

 

Gerry,

            All I can tell you is that if you set this up, in Excel, it works in any screen reader, regardless of what screen reader you're using to work with Excel.  But the actual manipulation of row/column titles must occur in Excel so that it "goes with" no matter what screen reader the spreadsheet may be handed to.

            Read the tutorial.
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

It’s hard waking up and realizing it’s not always black and white.

     ~ Kelley Boorn

 


Re: Excel Column and row headings not recognized by JAWS

Tyler Spivey
 

The way to test this is to create a new blank spreadsheet, add some columns, define the headers with the NVDA commands and see if they show up as name ranges.
If they don't, then that's a problem with how NVDA sets them up.

On 10/26/2020 7:15 PM, Gerry Chevalier wrote:
I appreciate the link to Alan’s tutorial but I know how to set the Define Name Excel labels for rows and columns according to JAWS which Alan refers to as option 1. That’s not the issue. My question is if I set row and column headings with NVDA those headings are not recognized with JAWS but the NVDA user guide says they should be.
Thanks, Gerry
*From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Brian Vogel
*Sent:* Monday, October 26, 2020 7:59 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Excel Column and row headings not recognized by JAWS
See Alan Lemly's tutorial on the Microsoft Office Accessibility Discussion Group, in topic, */Reading row and column headers using Excel defined titles tutorial/* <https://groups.io/g/office-accessibility/message/511>;
His message has downloadable examples and the whole tutorial itself, from Dropbox.
--
Brian *-*Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041
/It’s hard waking up and realizing it’s not always black and white./
~ Kelley Boorn


Re: Excel Column and row headings not recognized by JAWS

Gerry Chevalier <gerry.chevalier@...>
 

I appreciate the link to Alan’s tutorial but I know how to set the Define Name Excel labels for rows and columns according to JAWS which Alan refers to as option 1. That’s not the issue. My question is if I set row and column headings with NVDA those headings are not recognized with JAWS but the NVDA user guide says they should be.

Thanks, Gerry

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Monday, October 26, 2020 7:59 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Excel Column and row headings not recognized by JAWS

 

See Alan Lemly's tutorial on the Microsoft Office Accessibility Discussion Group, in topic, Reading row and column headers using Excel defined titles tutorial

His message has downloadable examples and the whole tutorial itself, from Dropbox.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

It’s hard waking up and realizing it’s not always black and white.

     ~ Kelley Boorn

 


Re: Excel Column and row headings not recognized by JAWS

 

Gerry,

            All I can tell you is that if you set this up, in Excel, it works in any screen reader, regardless of what screen reader you're using to work with Excel.  But the actual manipulation of row/column titles must occur in Excel so that it "goes with" no matter what screen reader the spreadsheet may be handed to.

            Read the tutorial.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

It’s hard waking up and realizing it’s not always black and white.

     ~ Kelley Boorn

 


Re: Excel Column and row headings not recognized by JAWS

Gerry Chevalier <gerry.chevalier@...>
 

I am not using the JAWS labels but rather the Excel Define Name labels specified by JAWS and NVDA does recognize them. The issue is that the NVDA user Guide says that the headings established with the NVDA shortcut keys also result in Excel Define Name labels and it says JAWS will recognize them but it does not. As far as I can see the Define Name labels that NVDA sets up are not of the same specification as JAWS.

Thanks, Gerry

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Monday, October 26, 2020 7:53 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Excel Column and row headings not recognized by JAWS

 

Screen reader specific ways of defining row/column headers are "local to" those specific screen readers.

This is why I always encourage people to set up row/column labels in Excel itself.  There was just an extensive discussion regarding this, and how to set up row/column labels in Excel itself that "go with" the spreadsheet, somewhere.  I need to do some searching to find it.  I know that Alan Lemly wrote the tutorial on this, but I can't recall the group and topic at this very moment.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

It’s hard waking up and realizing it’s not always black and white.

     ~ Kelley Boorn

 


Re: Excel Column and row headings not recognized by JAWS

 

See Alan Lemly's tutorial on the Microsoft Office Accessibility Discussion Group, in topic, Reading row and column headers using Excel defined titles tutorial

His message has downloadable examples and the whole tutorial itself, from Dropbox.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

It’s hard waking up and realizing it’s not always black and white.

     ~ Kelley Boorn

 


Re: Excel Column and row headings not recognized by JAWS

 

Screen reader specific ways of defining row/column headers are "local to" those specific screen readers.

This is why I always encourage people to set up row/column labels in Excel itself.  There was just an extensive discussion regarding this, and how to set up row/column labels in Excel itself that "go with" the spreadsheet, somewhere.  I need to do some searching to find it.  I know that Alan Lemly wrote the tutorial on this, but I can't recall the group and topic at this very moment.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

It’s hard waking up and realizing it’s not always black and white.

     ~ Kelley Boorn

 

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