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Re: Two NVDA Questions

Chris Mullins
 

Hi Pele

The focus issue with the VBA editor is long-standing.  I used to use it with Office 2007 and raised it on a few occasions on the list but got no responses.  It got to the point where I used to use Notepad to code macros then copy and paste them into the VBA modules for compilation.  It drove me mad.

 

Cheers

Chris 

 

From: Pele West
Sent: 28 October 2020 09:23
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Two NVDA Questions

 

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Re: Two NVDA Questions

Ralf Kefferpuetz
 

NVDA can't do that refresh screen thing as Window-Eyes and other SR can do, because NVDA isn't using a mirrow display
driver to access the screen content.
If you have an example Excel file with VBA code where you can't read reliable the lines of code please send it to me
privatly and I can verify if I can reproduce it with Office 365.

Regards,
Ralf

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Pele West
Sent: Mittwoch, 28. Oktober 2020 10:23
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Two NVDA Questions

Hi Gene

I was rather hoping that there might be a key to refresh the screen in all situations.

I use MS Office 2010 and do a lot of work using VBA. When using the VBA Editor NVDA often misses out lines of code,
particularly if you cursor down through the code and then cursor up again. I have not found an easy way of focussing on
these lines that does not involve going to the top or bottom of the program and losing my place.

I don't know if a key to refresh the screen would solve this, but I thought it was worth finding out.

JAWS and Window-Eyes do not miss out these lines of code.

It may be that I should get a later version of MSOffice, but I am interested in why these lines of code are sometimes
missed out.

Pele West


Re: Two NVDA Questions

Pele West
 

Hi Gene

I was rather hoping that there might be a key to refresh the screen in
all situations.

I use MS Office 2010 and do a lot of work using VBA. When using the VBA
Editor NVDA often misses out lines of code, particularly if you cursor
down through the code and then cursor up again. I have not found an easy
way of focussing on these lines that does not involve going to the top
or bottom of the program and losing my place.

I don't know if a key to refresh the screen would solve this, but I
thought it was worth finding out.

JAWS and Window-Eyes do not miss out these lines of code.

It may be that I should get a later version of MSOffice, but I am
interested in why these lines of code are sometimes missed out.

Pele West


Re: Tutorials On New Facebook Platform?

Diane
 

I'm glad you're doing it. I think at this point anything will help me to learn the things I want to learn from it
Thnks much.
Diane K.

----- Original Message -----
From: "hurrikennyandopo ..." <hurrikennyandopo@hotmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2020 7:42 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Tutorials On New Facebook Platform?


Hi


I am in the process of writing up a new tutorial for the new face book look using nvda. I do not use it much only to post and or read messages etc.


Just not sure how much info to put in or not but the more used stuff on face book. there is a lot of stuff happening on it but do not have to use it.

I mean as in the stuff you would not really use on that platform.

so no use putting it into the tutorial.


you can email me off list where there might be some problems like the 3 I saw and see what comes together. it will then be posted on the website unless some one wants it in draft form.

It is not quite finished yet.



Gene nz


On 28/10/2020 2:09 am, David Russell wrote:
Hello NVDA Group,

I am using the mobile version of Facebook, as historically, it has
been much easier and convenient with the aid of NVDA. However, as the
new interface has replaced the classic version, I cannot find info
that is up-to-date on:
How to delete messages
Generate a new message to any of my friends
Determine the type of reaction by individual group members to my posts
It now says for example, three liked, one cared.

Access World by AFB has some instruction, but not sure that it is as
current as needed. Thanks in advance for your potential help.




Re: Tutorials On New Facebook Platform?

Diane
 

I'm glad you're going it. I know it changes a lot but I think anything will help me learn some of it.

Thanks much.
Diane K.

----- Original Message -----
From: "hurrikennyandopo ..." <hurrikennyandopo@hotmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2020 7:42 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Tutorials On New Facebook Platform?


Hi


I am in the process of writing up a new tutorial for the new face book look using nvda. I do not use it much only to post and or read messages etc.


Just not sure how much info to put in or not but the more used stuff on face book. there is a lot of stuff happening on it but do not have to use it.

I mean as in the stuff you would not really use on that platform.

so no use putting it into the tutorial.


you can email me off list where there might be some problems like the 3 I saw and see what comes together. it will then be posted on the website unless some one wants it in draft form.

It is not quite finished yet.



Gene nz


On 28/10/2020 2:09 am, David Russell wrote:
Hello NVDA Group,

I am using the mobile version of Facebook, as historically, it has
been much easier and convenient with the aid of NVDA. However, as the
new interface has replaced the classic version, I cannot find info
that is up-to-date on:
How to delete messages
Generate a new message to any of my friends
Determine the type of reaction by individual group members to my posts
It now says for example, three liked, one cared.

Access World by AFB has some instruction, but not sure that it is as
current as needed. Thanks in advance for your potential help.




Re: Tutorials On New Facebook Platform?

hurrikennyandopo ...
 

Hi


I am in the process of writing up a new tutorial for the new face book look using nvda. I do not use it much only to post and or read messages etc.


Just not sure how much info to put in or not but the more used stuff on face book. there is a lot of stuff happening on it but do not have to use it.

I mean as in the stuff you would not really use on that platform.

so no use putting it into the tutorial.


you can email me off list where there might be some problems like the 3 I saw and see what comes together. it will then be posted on the website unless some one wants it in draft form.

It is not quite finished yet.



Gene nz

On 28/10/2020 2:09 am, David Russell wrote:
Hello NVDA Group,

I am using the mobile version of Facebook, as historically, it has
been much easier and convenient with the aid of NVDA. However, as the
new interface has replaced the classic version, I cannot find info
that is up-to-date on:
How to delete messages
Generate a new message to any of my friends
Determine the type of reaction by individual group members to my posts
It now says for example, three liked, one cared.

Access World by AFB has some instruction, but not sure that it is as
current as needed. Thanks in advance for your potential help.


Re: NVDA Addon PDF2Text and python 3

Gene
 

I hope the original poster gives more information. What e-mail program is being used and how messages are read may be important, as text or HTML.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2020 6:08 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Addon PDF2Text and python 3

On Tue, Oct 27, 2020 at 07:02 PM, Gene wrote:
What are the terms for links with text and links that are just an address written out?The first are hypertext, and the second are hyperlinks (or just links, and even many refer to hypertext, as links).

All links, whether as hypertext or hyperlinks, perform the function of directing you to a web resource.

But my much earlier point is that it is very rare these days for most writers to include "naked" hyperlinks. Hypertext is far more common, and I use it almost exclusively, as do virtually all online publications. I can't explain why hypertext would not have been announced by the screen reader, either, and the original poster who stated they were not has never clarified further.

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Re: NVDA Addon PDF2Text and python 3

 

On Tue, Oct 27, 2020 at 07:02 PM, Gene wrote:
What are the terms for links with text and links that are just an address written out?
The first are hypertext, and the second are hyperlinks (or just links, and even many refer to hypertext, as links).

All links, whether as hypertext or hyperlinks, perform the function of directing you to a web resource.

But my much earlier point is that it is very rare these days for most writers to include "naked" hyperlinks.  Hypertext is far more common, and I use it almost exclusively, as do virtually all online publications.  I can't explain why hypertext would not have been announced by the screen reader, either, and the original poster who stated they were not has never clarified further.
 
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It’s hard waking up and realizing it’s not always black and white.

     ~ Kelley Boorn

 


Re: NVDA Addon PDF2Text and python 3

Gene
 

What are the terms for links with text and links that are just an address written out?

Doesn't hyperlinks refer to both? and what is the original questioner referring to?

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2020 4:47 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Addon PDF2Text and python 3



I actually have mine make a sound, not nvda as that can't be done I don't think, not at the core, but voiceover makes a mid pitched click when the hyper link is started and a lower pitched click when the link is finished. For example this link would lead to google. if my markdown language didn't brake. If nvda did that, or at least had an option in the core that would be good. I might check the github as I'm following that repo.

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On 27 Oct 2020, at 14:25, Brian Vogel wrote:



On Tue, Oct 27, 2020 at 03:27 PM, Louise Pfau wrote:
I didn't realize they were called "click through" links.-
Louise,

Thanks. The term "click through" link is mine, as the technical term, hypertext, is so seldom used and not understood by many.

When the text itself has the link there to "click through" to see what it refers to, that's what I call them. Perhaps I should begin using the formal term instead.

I know that when I've been working with clients who want to actually "read an article" (or whatever) that contains hypertext they'll often disable whatever setting it is in their screen reader that announces, "Link," along with the hypertext itself since that makes narrative flow so disjointed. I'd imagine that some may keep this off all the time and either turn it on "on demand" or bring up the list of links after having read the actual text if they suspect hypertext was present in a message/article/etc.

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It’s hard waking up and realizing it’s not always black and white.

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Re: NVDA Addon PDF2Text and python 3

Sarah k Alawami
 

I actually have mine make a sound, not nvda as that can't be done I don't think, not at the core, but voiceover makes a mid pitched click when the hyper link is started and a lower pitched click when the link is finished. For example this link would lead to google. if my markdown language didn't brake. If nvda did that, or at least had an option in the core that would be good. I might check the github as I'm following that repo.

--

Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website.

Check out my adventures with a shadow machine.

to subscribe to the feed click here and you can also follow us on twitter

Our discord is where you will know when we go live on twitch. Feel free to give the channel a follow and see what is up there.

For stream archives, products you can buy and more visit my main lbry page and my tffp lbry page You will also be able to buy some of my products and eBooks there.

Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here

On 27 Oct 2020, at 14:25, Brian Vogel wrote:

On Tue, Oct 27, 2020 at 03:27 PM, Louise Pfau wrote:
I didn't realize they were called "click through" links.
-
Louise,

            Thanks.  The term "click through" link is mine, as the technical term, hypertext, is so seldom used and not understood by many.

             When the text itself has the link there to "click through" to see what it refers to, that's what I call them.  Perhaps I should begin using the formal term instead.

              I know that when I've been working with clients who want to actually "read an article" (or whatever) that contains hypertext they'll often disable whatever setting it is in their screen reader that announces, "Link," along with the hypertext itself since that makes narrative flow so disjointed.  I'd imagine that some may keep this off all the time and either turn it on "on demand" or bring up the list of links after having read the actual text if they suspect hypertext was present in a message/article/etc.
 
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It’s hard waking up and realizing it’s not always black and white.

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Re: NVDA Addon PDF2Text and python 3

 

On Tue, Oct 27, 2020 at 03:27 PM, Louise Pfau wrote:
I didn't realize they were called "click through" links.
-
Louise,

            Thanks.  The term "click through" link is mine, as the technical term, hypertext, is so seldom used and not understood by many.

             When the text itself has the link there to "click through" to see what it refers to, that's what I call them.  Perhaps I should begin using the formal term instead.

              I know that when I've been working with clients who want to actually "read an article" (or whatever) that contains hypertext they'll often disable whatever setting it is in their screen reader that announces, "Link," along with the hypertext itself since that makes narrative flow so disjointed.  I'd imagine that some may keep this off all the time and either turn it on "on demand" or bring up the list of links after having read the actual text if they suspect hypertext was present in a message/article/etc.
 
--

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It’s hard waking up and realizing it’s not always black and white.

     ~ Kelley Boorn

 


Re: NVDA Addon PDF2Text and python 3

Louise Pfau
 

Hi Brian.  Your example links, as well as the links from the post that were originally asked about have appeared correctly.  I didn't realize they were called "click through" links.  I was confusing them with "click here" links.  I don't think I've changed any of my settings that would affect the way links are read.

Louise


Unable to share links on FB

David Russell
 

Hi Group,

Oops, sorry I did not see this before posting my own struggle. I
receive the NVDA group digest.
Suffice to say, a big heart felt thanks to the one who shared another
way to bring up the former version of FB:
mbasic.facebook.com
I too cannot delete messages, create new messages, and its haphazard
to comment on posts via the new crappy interface.
I could not even submit a problem report per the new interface. I
hasten to add, some of my sighted friends indicate they have not been
hit with this new roll-out and - for them is business as usual.
Short of the classic version, I am clueless on how to accomplish much
with the newer platform.
Tutorials seem dated at best even from AFB.
Cheers,

--
David Russell
david.sonofhashem@gmail.com


locked Re: Possible to purchase Microsoft outlook separately?

 

Thanks to all involved in this topic as far as their helpfulness and courtesy in response to same.

I did want to add something "as a public service" for the group before I lock the topic.  If you are looking for any piece of software "separately" the best thing to do is to web search on that software's name with the addition of the term "standalone," as a single word.  Try this yourself for Outlook, in this case, and you'll see what I mean in the first few results.

It has been common practice in computing circles to call anything that can run on its own the standalone version of a program.  And when you want to know if something you're familiar with in a suite might be available by itself, standalone is the magic search term.
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It’s hard waking up and realizing it’s not always black and white.

     ~ Kelley Boorn

 


Re: Two NVDA Questions

 

On Tue, Oct 27, 2020 at 12:46 PM, Gene wrote:
For clarification, it should be pointed out that you don't need an account to search for and read issues on Github. You can't comment without an account.
-
Yup, and sorry for creating the impression you couldn't view without one.  And if you want to view, the page to do that is:  https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues 

But if you want to be able to comment on existing issues (bug reports) or Feature Requests, or want to be able to create either of those for the folks at NVAccess, you do have to have a GitHub Account.
 
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It’s hard waking up and realizing it’s not always black and white.

     ~ Kelley Boorn

 


Re: Two NVDA Questions

Gene
 

For clarification, it should be pointed out that you don't need an account to search for and read issues on Github. You can't comment without an account.

I used Google to search for discussion of the question I asked and found nothing. You can search Github if you do a properly worded Google search.

It may not matter that refresh screen is limited to browse mode but I wonder if there are times when refreshing the screen elsewhere would be beneficial.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Gene via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2020 11:38 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Two NVDA Questions

I have an account. I'll see if I can find anything.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2020 11:30 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Two NVDA Questions

On Tue, Oct 27, 2020 at 11:39 AM, Gene wrote:
Does it matter? Should this be addressed on Github?-
I'd say if it matters to you (any you), at the very least you should look in
the NVDA GitHub Issues Page (after having set yourself up with a GitHub
Account and access to the NVAccess/NVDA project in your account) to see if
an issue already exists. If it does, add a comment, and if it doesn't, and
this is important to you, create a new bug report.

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Re: Two NVDA Questions

Gene
 

I have an account. I'll see if I can find anything.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2020 11:30 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Two NVDA Questions

On Tue, Oct 27, 2020 at 11:39 AM, Gene wrote:
Does it matter? Should this be addressed on Github?-
I'd say if it matters to you (any you), at the very least you should look in the NVDA GitHub Issues Page (after having set yourself up with a GitHub Account and access to the NVAccess/NVDA project in your account) to see if an issue already exists. If it does, add a comment, and if it doesn't, and this is important to you, create a new bug report.

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Re: Two NVDA Questions

 

On Tue, Oct 27, 2020 at 11:39 AM, Gene wrote:
Does it matter?  Should this be addressed on Github?
-
I'd say if it matters to you (any you), at the very least you should look in the NVDA GitHub Issues Page (after having set yourself up with a GitHub Account and access to the NVAccess/NVDA project in your account) to see if an issue already exists.  If it does, add a comment, and if it doesn't, and this is important to you, create a new bug report.
 
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It’s hard waking up and realizing it’s not always black and white.

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Re: Two NVDA Questions

Gene
 

Regarding a comparison with Window-eyes and JAWS, my recollection is that redraw screen commands in those screen-readers worked anywhere.  In NVDA, the command only works in browse mode.  Does it matter?  Should this be addressed on Github?


Gene

On 10/27/2020 10:25 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Tue, Oct 27, 2020 at 05:55 AM, Pele West wrote:
This was possible in Window-Eyes (which I know I should not mention), but I am using it so people know what I am trying to do.
-
And, for the record, there is absolutely, positively nothing wrong with doing this.  The idea is to avoid long discussions of either out-of-support software or other screen readers, but the use of something for an, "I can do {action} this way with {insert screen reader, living or dead, here}, but can I do it with NVDA?," question is completely legitimate.

Questions of that form could not be about anything except how to use NVDA, which is dead-on topic for this group.  The use of other screen readers for comparison and/or contrast and/or clarification of intent is not forbidden, and never has been.
 
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Re: Two NVDA Questions

 

On Tue, Oct 27, 2020 at 05:55 AM, Pele West wrote:
This was possible in Window-Eyes (which I know I should not mention), but I am using it so people know what I am trying to do.
-
And, for the record, there is absolutely, positively nothing wrong with doing this.  The idea is to avoid long discussions of either out-of-support software or other screen readers, but the use of something for an, "I can do {action} this way with {insert screen reader, living or dead, here}, but can I do it with NVDA?," question is completely legitimate.

Questions of that form could not be about anything except how to use NVDA, which is dead-on topic for this group.  The use of other screen readers for comparison and/or contrast and/or clarification of intent is not forbidden, and never has been.
 
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