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Re: A web dialog that isn't automatically read by NVDA

Gene
 

I tested it in Brave and the dialog wasn't read. I had to use object navigation, I believe with Browse Mode off, though thisw was a few hours ago and I'm not sure now.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2020 4:32 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A web dialog that isn't automatically read by NVDA

On Thu, Oct 29, 2020 at 02:29 PM, Devin Prater wrote:
It looks like this is a Chrome issue.-
Devin, the following is not meant to split-hairs, but to seek further clarification from you, as you can test this out quickly: Is it a Chrome issue, or a Chromium issue? This can be determined by testing the issue you're having with the page you referenced in new Edge, Brave, or any other Chromium-based browser.

Even though the Chromium-based browsers have way more in common than they do as differences, there can be weird things that really are specific to a single one or common to all of them, depending on the root cause.
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Re: A web dialog that isn't automatically read by NVDA

 

On Thu, Oct 29, 2020 at 02:29 PM, Devin Prater wrote:
It looks like this is a Chrome issue.
-
Devin, the following is not meant to split-hairs, but to seek further clarification from you, as you can test this out quickly:  Is it a Chrome issue, or a Chromium issue?  This can be determined by testing the issue you're having with the page you referenced in new Edge, Brave, or any other Chromium-based browser.

Even though the Chromium-based browsers have way more in common than they do as differences, there can be weird things that really are specific to a single one or common to all of them, depending on the root cause.
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Re: A web dialog that isn't automatically read by NVDA

Ron Canazzi
 

Hi Group,

The referenced page reads well in Firefox.


On 10/29/2020 2:29 PM, Devin Prater wrote:
Using the popup dialog on this page:


It looks like this is a Chrome issue. Thanks all.
Devin Prater
sent from Gmail.


On Thu, Oct 29, 2020 at 12:42 PM Luke Robinett <blindgroupsluke@...> wrote:
I run into this nearly all of the time with Web dialogs in chrome. It would probably be easier to give the developers an example of a time when it actually worked correctly, LOL.

On Oct 29, 2020, at 9:50 AM, Devin Prater <r.d.t.prater@...> wrote:


Hi all. I can't give the specific page, and can't find the HTML or JavaScript source for this dialog, but I've found a dialog on the web that is not read automatically by NVDA. This problem is in Google Chrome, but is not with Firefox. The text of the dialog is not read by NVDA, but the OK button is, and the OK and cancel buttons can be navigated to. The text can be reached with Object Navigation.
However, the text of the dialog is read automatically by Narrator in Google Chrome. It is not read automatically by JAWS, though. Any ideas on what's causing this, or any ways to fix? Or am I missing some Google Chrome addon or something?
Devin Prater
sent from Gmail.

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Re: NVDA integration in video games

Luke Robinett <blindgroupsluke@...>
 

I do a lot of music production work and much of that software is very graphical and inaccessible out of the box. People have created some really cool NVDA add-ons in that space that utilize screen recognition and some sort of learning algorithms to give access to user interfaces that are otherwise completely unrecognizable by NVDA. For an example of such a project, check out Sibiac. I think this shows the potential for NVDA to be augmented to do what you described, giving access to graphical interfaces that normally don’t provide hooks for screen readers.

On Oct 29, 2020, at 12:15 PM, Gene <gsasner@gmail.com> wrote:

What do you mean by this sentence?
If this new voiceover feature isn’t available on an iPhone 8+ because it is too weak, I don’t want to know what it would take on a laptop or computer.
Smart phones aren't nearly as powerful as computers.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Andy B.
Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2020 2:10 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA integration in video games



I heard that screen recognition wasn’t that great. If NVDA took this route, maybe things would work a little better, but there are also many people out there with computers not able to handle such a thing. If this new voiceover feature isn’t available on an iPhone 8+ because it is too weak, I don’t want to know what it would take on a laptop or computer. In any case, talking flight monitor does implement NVDA controller, etc into it’s code base. Check it out at www.talkingflightmonitor.net. I am one of the devs.







From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Josh Kennedy
Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2020 12:12 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA integration in video games





if NVDA had real time recognition like voiceover does on iOS 14, then we would have access to a lot more applications including video games. Voiceover uses a Neural Engine and artificial intelligence to do screen recognition, image recognition and description, and real time live OCR and it also recognizes controls based on pixels on the screen and matrices. Making many applications including video games very accessible and applications which did not used to be accessible or now suddenly accessible with voiceover artificial intelligent Neural Engine recognition. it would be excellent if NVDA could implement this feature very soon. I believe that it directly access of the GPU, and based on pixels on the screen and live screen or some kind of image scanning, it recognizes various inaccessible controls directly even if they are just drawing on the screen with pixels, then it turns those controls into accessible controls that voiceover can interpret. If anybody I could do this it would be excellent.











Re: NVDA Remote

Chris Smart
 

On 2020-10-29 4:23 p.m., A.Mac via groups.io wrote:

hi where can i get NVDA Remote  please.


On 29/10/2020 16:29, Sky Mundell wrote:
Hello Ryan. I have used NVDA Remote with a few clients of mine in the past and it works well for them and I. What I have the clients do is to go into the NVDA remote sub menu, and choose the connect option. Then, I have the clients choose allow this machine to be controled, which is the second radio button. Then you put in the hostname  put in the hostname, which  is
Then, I generate the key, and I give the key to the client, and away we go.
By the way, you can also create your own key by just thinking of a word, and putting the word in the key box and then telling the clients what the word is.
Thanks, Sky.
On Oct 29, 2020, at 9:08 AM, Ryan Fleury <ryan@...> wrote:

Hello last week I used the e-mail link on this pagehttps://nvdaremote.com/
To ask about an issue I am having with NVDA remote and I still haven’t heard back from anyone so not very happy.
I was trying to use nvda remote to connect to another NVDA user’s computer but when I tried to generate a key nothing happened so if anyone can advise me on how the nvda remote works to connect to another nvda user I would appreciate it.
Thanks Ryan
 
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Re: NVDA Remote

A.Mac
 

hi where can i get NVDA Remote  please.


On 29/10/2020 16:29, Sky Mundell wrote:
Hello Ryan. I have used NVDA Remote with a few clients of mine in the past and it works well for them and I. What I have the clients do is to go into the NVDA remote sub menu, and choose the connect option. Then, I have the clients choose allow this machine to be controled, which is the second radio button. Then you put in the hostname  put in the hostname, which  is
Then, I generate the key, and I give the key to the client, and away we go.
By the way, you can also create your own key by just thinking of a word, and putting the word in the key box and then telling the clients what the word is.
Thanks, Sky.
On Oct 29, 2020, at 9:08 AM, Ryan Fleury <ryan@...> wrote:

Hello last week I used the e-mail link on this pagehttps://nvdaremote.com/
To ask about an issue I am having with NVDA remote and I still haven’t heard back from anyone so not very happy.
I was trying to use nvda remote to connect to another NVDA user’s computer but when I tried to generate a key nothing happened so if anyone can advise me on how the nvda remote works to connect to another nvda user I would appreciate it.
Thanks Ryan
 
Ryan Fleury
Blindness Products Sales and Support
Canadian Assistive Technologies
Local 778-968-6847
Toll-Free ! 1-844-795-8324
 
Check out our podcast A T Banter
 

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Thanks for your time in advance.
😎
Later
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Re: NVDA integration in video games

Gene
 

What do you mean by this sentence?
If this new voiceover feature isn’t available on an iPhone 8+ because it is too weak, I don’t want to know what it would take on a laptop or computer.
Smart phones aren't nearly as powerful as computers.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Andy B.
Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2020 2:10 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA integration in video games



I heard that screen recognition wasn’t that great. If NVDA took this route, maybe things would work a little better, but there are also many people out there with computers not able to handle such a thing. If this new voiceover feature isn’t available on an iPhone 8+ because it is too weak, I don’t want to know what it would take on a laptop or computer. In any case, talking flight monitor does implement NVDA controller, etc into it’s code base. Check it out at www.talkingflightmonitor.net. I am one of the devs.







From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Josh Kennedy
Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2020 12:12 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA integration in video games





if NVDA had real time recognition like voiceover does on iOS 14, then we would have access to a lot more applications including video games. Voiceover uses a Neural Engine and artificial intelligence to do screen recognition, image recognition and description, and real time live OCR and it also recognizes controls based on pixels on the screen and matrices. Making many applications including video games very accessible and applications which did not used to be accessible or now suddenly accessible with voiceover artificial intelligent Neural Engine recognition. it would be excellent if NVDA could implement this feature very soon. I believe that it directly access of the GPU, and based on pixels on the screen and live screen or some kind of image scanning, it recognizes various inaccessible controls directly even if they are just drawing on the screen with pixels, then it turns those controls into accessible controls that voiceover can interpret. If anybody I could do this it would be excellent.


Re: NVDA integration in video games

Andy B.
 

I heard that screen recognition wasn’t that great. If NVDA took this route, maybe things would work a little better, but there are also many people out there with computers not able to handle such a thing. If this new voiceover feature isn’t available on an iPhone 8+ because it is too weak, I don’t want to know what it would take on a laptop or computer. In any case, talking flight monitor does implement NVDA controller, etc into it’s code base. Check it out at www.talkingflightmonitor.net. I am one of the devs.

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Josh Kennedy
Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2020 12:12 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA integration in video games

 

if NVDA had real time recognition like voiceover does on iOS 14, then we would have access to a lot more applications including video games. Voiceover uses a Neural Engine and artificial intelligence to do screen recognition, image recognition and description, and real time live OCR and it also recognizes controls based on pixels on the screen and matrices. Making many applications including video games very accessible and applications which did not used to be accessible or now suddenly accessible with voiceover artificial intelligent Neural Engine recognition. it would be excellent if NVDA could implement this feature very soon. I believe that it directly access of the GPU, and based on pixels on the screen and live screen or some kind of image scanning, it recognizes various inaccessible controls directly even if they are just drawing on the screen with pixels, then it turns those controls into accessible controls that voiceover can interpret. If anybody I could do this it would be excellent.


Re: A web dialog that isn't automatically read by NVDA

Devin Prater
 

Using the popup dialog on this page:


It looks like this is a Chrome issue. Thanks all.
Devin Prater
sent from Gmail.


On Thu, Oct 29, 2020 at 12:42 PM Luke Robinett <blindgroupsluke@...> wrote:
I run into this nearly all of the time with Web dialogs in chrome. It would probably be easier to give the developers an example of a time when it actually worked correctly, LOL.

On Oct 29, 2020, at 9:50 AM, Devin Prater <r.d.t.prater@...> wrote:


Hi all. I can't give the specific page, and can't find the HTML or JavaScript source for this dialog, but I've found a dialog on the web that is not read automatically by NVDA. This problem is in Google Chrome, but is not with Firefox. The text of the dialog is not read by NVDA, but the OK button is, and the OK and cancel buttons can be navigated to. The text can be reached with Object Navigation.
However, the text of the dialog is read automatically by Narrator in Google Chrome. It is not read automatically by JAWS, though. Any ideas on what's causing this, or any ways to fix? Or am I missing some Google Chrome addon or something?
Devin Prater
sent from Gmail.


Re: NVDA Addon PDF2Text and python 3

 

On Thu, Oct 29, 2020 at 02:09 PM, Daniel Damacena wrote:
When I press alt + f, I hear that sound that means nothing could be done.
-
ALT+F still opens the File Menu, and the O option after that opens the Open dialog.  You can also just use CTRL+O to go straight to the open dialog if you so choose.

This software has had no updates except for security patches in some years now and it still has a standard menu structure.  ALT+F opens the File Menu.
 
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Re: NVDA Addon PDF2Text and python 3

Daniel Damacena
 

It seems that it's not done this way anymore, unfortunately. When I press alt + f, I hear that sound that means nothing could be done.

Em 26/10/2020 21:31, Brian Vogel escreveu:

Daniel, see this post in the topic, Free & Good OCR Software for Image Scanned PDFs, I made all the way back in January 2018.
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It’s hard waking up and realizing it’s not always black and white.

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Re: A web dialog that isn't automatically read by NVDA

Luke Robinett <blindgroupsluke@...>
 

I run into this nearly all of the time with Web dialogs in chrome. It would probably be easier to give the developers an example of a time when it actually worked correctly, LOL.

On Oct 29, 2020, at 9:50 AM, Devin Prater <r.d.t.prater@...> wrote:


Hi all. I can't give the specific page, and can't find the HTML or JavaScript source for this dialog, but I've found a dialog on the web that is not read automatically by NVDA. This problem is in Google Chrome, but is not with Firefox. The text of the dialog is not read by NVDA, but the OK button is, and the OK and cancel buttons can be navigated to. The text can be reached with Object Navigation.
However, the text of the dialog is read automatically by Narrator in Google Chrome. It is not read automatically by JAWS, though. Any ideas on what's causing this, or any ways to fix? Or am I missing some Google Chrome addon or something?
Devin Prater
sent from Gmail.


Re: A web dialog that isn't automatically read by NVDA

Sarah k Alawami
 

I've encountered  those on some pages. something like "blah blah blah dot com says ..." then that's it. maybe it's a chrome issue, I really don't know. It's frustrating though.

On 10/29/2020 9:50 AM, Devin Prater wrote:
Hi all. I can't give the specific page, and can't find the HTML or JavaScript source for this dialog, but I've found a dialog on the web that is not read automatically by NVDA. This problem is in Google Chrome, but is not with Firefox. The text of the dialog is not read by NVDA, but the OK button is, and the OK and cancel buttons can be navigated to. The text can be reached with Object Navigation.
However, the text of the dialog is read automatically by Narrator in Google Chrome. It is not read automatically by JAWS, though. Any ideas on what's causing this, or any ways to fix? Or am I missing some Google Chrome addon or something?
Devin Prater
sent from Gmail.


Re: A web dialog that isn't automatically read by NVDA

 

Without a specific page for potential assistants to attempt to replicate the issue, and figure out a fix, it's almost impossible to propose one.

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Re: CHANGE OF EMAIL ADDRESS

 

So that there will be something in the archive for future searchers, I'm going to document the process for those of you who want to change your Groups.io e-mail address of record (and, by the way, that's your login ID as well for your Groups.io account) and are subscribed to multiple Groups.io Groups.

1. Go to the account page at Groups.io:  https://groups.io/account 

2. Enter your existing e-mail address of record and your password.  If you have never logged in to your Groups.io account, you do not have a password, and will have to establish one.  Beneath the password edit box is a link, Forgot your password, or don't have one yet?, that you would need to activate in order to establish a password for your Groups.io account.  If necessary, activate it, follow the instructions, and start again at step 1 after you have that password.

3. Activate the Log In  button.

4. You are taken to the Login tab for your Groups.io account, and the first edit box shows your current e-mail address of record.  Directly below that is the Change Email button.  Activate it and follow the steps to change the current e-mail address to the one you want.  Optional:  Below that edit box is one for Password with a Change Password Button and Delete Password button below it.  If you want to tweak your existing password you can do so.

5.  In the event you're someone who uses a Google Account and/or a Facebook Account, further down the page under a section entitled, Social Logins, are checkboxes dedicated to allowing you to use these login methods.  If you wish to add that capability, check those boxes that apply, then activate the Change Social Login Preferences button.

There is no "Save" done on this page as the saving is part and parcel of the changing process.
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Re: CHANGE OF EMAIL ADDRESS

 

Christo,

          That being the case, I'd seriously suggest you just use the unsubscribe/resubscribe method.   Send a message from the address you're currently using to nvda+unsubscribe@nvda.groups.io.   After you get your confirmation of being unsubscribed, use your new address to send a message to nvda+subscribe@nvda.groups.io.

          You'll be on new member "first message moderated" status, but that will disappear with the first message you send to the group, as it will get approved quickly.
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It’s hard waking up and realizing it’s not always black and white.

     ~ Kelley Boorn

 


Re: CHANGE OF EMAIL ADDRESS

Christo Vorster <christo.vorster.klavierstem@...>
 

Hi Bryan

 

Thanks for the help. I am only subscribed to the NVDA group.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Thursday, 29 October 2020 18:47
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] CHANGE OF EMAIL ADDRESS

 

Christo,

           I am happy to help with that, but am I safe in presuming you mean for Groups.io?   And, if that presumption is safe, that you are subscribed to multiple groups on Groups.io?

           If you were to be subscribed to only one or two, simply unsubscribing and resubscribing would be the "quick and dirty" method of achieving your goal with ease.  But if you're subscribed to many groups you want to do this through your Groups.io account, instead.  Knowing the situation would be helpful.

           And before anyone says, and they would be right, that this is not NVDA-related, it is related to using Groups.io effectively, and historically we have allowed questions and answers regarding that because it benefits everyone to have this information as a Groups.io member.
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It’s hard waking up and realizing it’s not always black and white.

     ~ Kelley Boorn

 


A web dialog that isn't automatically read by NVDA

Devin Prater
 

Hi all. I can't give the specific page, and can't find the HTML or JavaScript source for this dialog, but I've found a dialog on the web that is not read automatically by NVDA. This problem is in Google Chrome, but is not with Firefox. The text of the dialog is not read by NVDA, but the OK button is, and the OK and cancel buttons can be navigated to. The text can be reached with Object Navigation.
However, the text of the dialog is read automatically by Narrator in Google Chrome. It is not read automatically by JAWS, though. Any ideas on what's causing this, or any ways to fix? Or am I missing some Google Chrome addon or something?
Devin Prater
sent from Gmail.


Re: CHANGE OF EMAIL ADDRESS

 

Christo,

           I am happy to help with that, but am I safe in presuming you mean for Groups.io?   And, if that presumption is safe, that you are subscribed to multiple groups on Groups.io?

           If you were to be subscribed to only one or two, simply unsubscribing and resubscribing would be the "quick and dirty" method of achieving your goal with ease.  But if you're subscribed to many groups you want to do this through your Groups.io account, instead.  Knowing the situation would be helpful.

           And before anyone says, and they would be right, that this is not NVDA-related, it is related to using Groups.io effectively, and historically we have allowed questions and answers regarding that because it benefits everyone to have this information as a Groups.io member.
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Re: CHANGE OF EMAIL ADDRESS

Christo Vorster <christo.vorster.klavierstem@...>
 
Edited

Hi List

 

I need to change my email address. I haven’t done that ever, so I need help to do that. Can someone please advise me how to go about this little problem.

 

Regards

 

Christo Vorster (Worcester, South Africa)

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