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Re: NVDA Remote

 

On Fri, Oct 30, 2020 at 03:28 AM, A.Mac wrote:
in n v d a remote can you swapp files?
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With the advent of cloud-based file sharing, and tons of free services to accomplish that, I expect we'll see that feature dying out even where it's present as time goes by.
 
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NVDA Remote

Ryan Fleury <ryan@...>
 

Thanks to all of you who replied to my nvda remote question, I think what I missed was the host name nvdaremote.com the next time I need to use this I will give it a try.

Thanks again.

 

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Re: NVDA integration in video games

Matthew Whitaker
 

Also what about NVDA as well? 



On Oct 30, 2020, at 10:59 AM, Josh Kennedy <joshknnd1982@...> wrote:

for those people who heard the voiceover recognition is not that great, you are wrong. I tried it, and it is just completely amazing! I now have access to apps which were completely completely in accessible before. It's amazing.


Re: NVDA integration in video games

Matthew Whitaker
 

How does it work for VoiceOver? Sorry if this is off topic… 



On Oct 30, 2020, at 10:59 AM, Josh Kennedy <joshknnd1982@...> wrote:

for those people who heard the voiceover recognition is not that great, you are wrong. I tried it, and it is just completely amazing! I now have access to apps which were completely completely in accessible before. It's amazing.


Re: NVDA integration in video games

Josh Kennedy
 

for those people who heard the voiceover recognition is not that great, you are wrong. I tried it, and it is just completely amazing! I now have access to apps which were completely completely in accessible before. It's amazing.


Re: NVDA Remote

A.Mac
 

tankyou

On 30/10/2020 08:35, Chris Mullins wrote:

Hi

No, you cannot swap files with NVDA remote but there is a way of passing the contents of small text files to/from a remotely connected computer via the push clipboard feature of the Remote add-on.

 

Cheers

Chris  

 

From: A.Mac via groups.io
Sent: 30 October 2020 07:28
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Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Remote

 

in n v d a remote can you swapp files?

 

On 29/10/2020 16:29, Sky Mundell wrote:

Hello Ryan. I have used NVDA Remote with a few clients of mine in the past and it works well for them and I. What I have the clients do is to go into the NVDA remote sub menu, and choose the connect option. Then, I have the clients choose allow this machine to be controled, which is the second radio button. Then you put in the hostname  put in the hostname, which  is

Then, I generate the key, and I give the key to the client, and away we go.

By the way, you can also create your own key by just thinking of a word, and putting the word in the key box and then telling the clients what the word is.

Thanks, Sky.

On Oct 29, 2020, at 9:08 AM, Ryan Fleury <ryan@...> wrote:

 

Hello last week I used the e-mail link on this pagehttps://nvdaremote.com/

To ask about an issue I am having with NVDA remote and I still haven’t heard back from anyone so not very happy.

I was trying to use nvda remote to connect to another NVDA user’s computer but when I tried to generate a key nothing happened so if anyone can advise me on how the nvda remote works to connect to another nvda user I would appreciate it.

Thanks Ryan

 

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Re: NVDA Remote

Chris Mullins
 

Hi

No, you cannot swap files with NVDA remote but there is a way of passing the contents of small text files to/from a remotely connected computer via the push clipboard feature of the Remote add-on.

 

Cheers

Chris  

 

From: A.Mac via groups.io
Sent: 30 October 2020 07:28
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Remote

 

in n v d a remote can you swapp files?

 

On 29/10/2020 16:29, Sky Mundell wrote:

Hello Ryan. I have used NVDA Remote with a few clients of mine in the past and it works well for them and I. What I have the clients do is to go into the NVDA remote sub menu, and choose the connect option. Then, I have the clients choose allow this machine to be controled, which is the second radio button. Then you put in the hostname  put in the hostname, which  is

Then, I generate the key, and I give the key to the client, and away we go.

By the way, you can also create your own key by just thinking of a word, and putting the word in the key box and then telling the clients what the word is.

Thanks, Sky.

On Oct 29, 2020, at 9:08 AM, Ryan Fleury <ryan@...> wrote:

 

Hello last week I used the e-mail link on this pagehttps://nvdaremote.com/

To ask about an issue I am having with NVDA remote and I still haven’t heard back from anyone so not very happy.

I was trying to use nvda remote to connect to another NVDA user’s computer but when I tried to generate a key nothing happened so if anyone can advise me on how the nvda remote works to connect to another nvda user I would appreciate it.

Thanks Ryan

 

Ryan Fleury

Blindness Products Sales and Support

Canadian Assistive Technologies

Local 778-968-6847

Toll-Free ! 1-844-795-8324

 

Check out our podcast A T Banter

 

 

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Re: NVDA Remote

A.Mac
 

in n v d a remote can you swapp files?


On 29/10/2020 16:29, Sky Mundell wrote:
Hello Ryan. I have used NVDA Remote with a few clients of mine in the past and it works well for them and I. What I have the clients do is to go into the NVDA remote sub menu, and choose the connect option. Then, I have the clients choose allow this machine to be controled, which is the second radio button. Then you put in the hostname  put in the hostname, which  is
Then, I generate the key, and I give the key to the client, and away we go.
By the way, you can also create your own key by just thinking of a word, and putting the word in the key box and then telling the clients what the word is.
Thanks, Sky.
On Oct 29, 2020, at 9:08 AM, Ryan Fleury <ryan@...> wrote:

Hello last week I used the e-mail link on this pagehttps://nvdaremote.com/
To ask about an issue I am having with NVDA remote and I still haven’t heard back from anyone so not very happy.
I was trying to use nvda remote to connect to another NVDA user’s computer but when I tried to generate a key nothing happened so if anyone can advise me on how the nvda remote works to connect to another nvda user I would appreciate it.
Thanks Ryan
 
Ryan Fleury
Blindness Products Sales and Support
Canadian Assistive Technologies
Local 778-968-6847
Toll-Free ! 1-844-795-8324
 
Check out our podcast A T Banter
 

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Re: NVDA integration in video games

 

This is indeed an interesting idea. From my tests, with NVDA's current OCR function, I was able to get NVDA to read texts in games like Sims 3, albeit not 100% reliable or accurate.
Imagine if NVDA is able to recognize in-game texts and interact with game controls in realtime...that would be a monumental step forward, though that would likely require the use of AI technology and a reasonably powerful computer. Even the new voice recognition feature in VoiceOver is limited to newer iPhones.


Re: A web dialog that isn't automatically read by NVDA

Ron Canazzi
 

Hi Group,

Now this is weird. Since the new Edge is Chrome based, I thought I would try Edge on this web page.
It works just as well as Firefox. Go figure!




On 10/29/2020 7:35 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
This is a situation where all appearances are that it's on "the Chromium side" that the bug exists in that something that should be exposed to the screen reader in a standard way isn't being exposed.  This is particularly indicated by the fact that Firefox, which uses an entirely different rendering engine, doesn't have the problem, and you know the webpage code has to be the same.

Now, what I don't know is the best way to approach this.  I have no idea how to file a bug report/trouble ticket or similar in such a way that all Chromium-base browsers would receive the fix.  I believe most of them do use the updated Chromium core code as it gets released, but I'm not 100% certain of that.

There are times when it may make sense to file a bug report with your screen reader's developers (NVDA, in this case) since there tends to be a far more consistent and open communication channel between the organizations that build and maintain screen readers and the various web browser development communities than any end user has any ability to tap.  But I don't know if this is the case here.  I am going to flag Quentin Christiansen on this message to have him weigh in.

This is a gray area as far as whose cage should be rattled initially by the user(s) having issues.
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Re: A web dialog that isn't automatically read by NVDA

Quentin Christensen
 

Thanks Brian,

In this instance, and without having seen the page myself, several things stand out to me:

- Firstly, the problem is reproducible in Chrome but not Firefox.  Such a scenario is almost always caused by either the page creator not following standards, or the browser (Chrome in this case) not interpreting them correctly - usually the former unless you can find consistent issues across multiple sites.

- The issue is reproducible with both NVDA and Jaws.  Again, indicating an issue with the page (or Brower), OR that NVDA and Jaws have independently done something wrong in how this particular web content is interpreted.  The fact that Narrator can read it, indicates there might be other things we could try such as pulling information from the graphics card - which could be useful for working with an otherwise inaccessible program, although in the case of a specific page which isn't written correctly, it is likely better to approach the web page designer about the issue.

It's often difficult with an isolated case to determine where the issue lies.  In this case, I would hazard a guess that most probably the issue is in the individual page code.  Next most likely is Chrome not doing something correctly, and third inline is BOTH NVDA and Jaws not interpreting something correctly.

If it were something you could find examples of on numerous sites, I'd be inclined to lean towards a Chrome bug (or a poorly written standard which numerous developers have read one way and the Chrome developers have read a different way).

It's definitely something which can be hard to pin down though, so it's always worth asking about.

Quentin.

On Fri, Oct 30, 2020 at 10:35 AM Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
This is a situation where all appearances are that it's on "the Chromium side" that the bug exists in that something that should be exposed to the screen reader in a standard way isn't being exposed.  This is particularly indicated by the fact that Firefox, which uses an entirely different rendering engine, doesn't have the problem, and you know the webpage code has to be the same.

Now, what I don't know is the best way to approach this.  I have no idea how to file a bug report/trouble ticket or similar in such a way that all Chromium-base browsers would receive the fix.  I believe most of them do use the updated Chromium core code as it gets released, but I'm not 100% certain of that.

There are times when it may make sense to file a bug report with your screen reader's developers (NVDA, in this case) since there tends to be a far more consistent and open communication channel between the organizations that build and maintain screen readers and the various web browser development communities than any end user has any ability to tap.  But I don't know if this is the case here.  I am going to flag Quentin Christiansen on this message to have him weigh in.

This is a gray area as far as whose cage should be rattled initially by the user(s) having issues.
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Re: A web dialog that isn't automatically read by NVDA

 
Edited

This is a situation where all appearances are that it's on "the Chromium side" that the bug exists in that something that should be exposed to the screen reader in a standard way isn't being exposed.  This is particularly indicated by the fact that Firefox, which uses an entirely different rendering engine, doesn't have the problem, and you know the webpage code has to be the same.

Now, what I don't know is the best way to approach this.  I have no idea how to file a bug report/trouble ticket or similar in such a way that all Chromium-base browsers would receive the fix.  I believe most of them do use the updated Chromium core code as it gets released, but I'm not 100% certain of that.

There are times when it may make sense to file a bug report with your screen reader's developers (NVDA, in this case) since there tends to be a far more consistent and open communication channel between the organizations that build and maintain screen readers and the various web browser development communities than any end user has any ability to tap.  But I don't know if this is the case here.  I am going to flag Quentin Christensen on this message to have him weigh in.

This is a gray area as far as whose cage should be rattled initially by the user(s) having issues.
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It’s hard waking up and realizing it’s not always black and white.

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Re: CONNECTING A MANTIS DISPLAY

Quentin Christensen
 

I saw the follow up message after I'd posted mine - it didn't end up in the same "thread" so I missed it before I posted.  I figured I wouldn't clutter things with another message on the heels of that :)

In any case, I'm glad you got things working!

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Thu, Oct 29, 2020 at 7:46 PM Richard Bartholomew <rlbart53@...> wrote:

Hi, Quentin

 

Sorry for the confusion, I sent a subsequent message to say that I now have it working, thanks.  Don’t know what I didn’t do right the first time round other than, probably, not following procedure correctly but have got it to work now using the automatic detection setting.

 

Thanks

Richard Bartholomew

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: 29 October 2020 01:01
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] CONNECTING A MANTIS DISPLAY

 

Hi Richard,

 

I don't have one handy to test, but according to the User Guide: https://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/documentation/userGuide.html#HumanWareBrailliant it should work.

Are you getting an error or message or simply no Braille?

 

Quentin.

 

On Thu, Oct 29, 2020 at 5:46 AM Richard Bartholomew <rlbart53@...> wrote:

Hi,

 

So far I have had no success in connecting my Mantis Q40 with NVDA 2020.2; is the only way to do this to use BRLTTY, please?

 

Thanks for any help.

 

Richard Bartholomew

 


 

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NVDA performance in remote or virtual environments

Adriani Botez
 

Dear all,

 

I thought I start a discussion here on the performance topic in remote or virtual environments. Since I don’t really have experience with this yet, but I am starting to work on such an environment, maybe some one can help with some useful hints.

 

For my job a smooth performance is very crucial. I wonder, which environment delivers the best NVDA performance?

  • Virtual machine? Or
  • Remote connection via NVDA remote addon in a Citrix environment (i.e. with Unicorn DVC)?
  • Is there any other possibility which delivers good performance?

 

In a virtual environment, is there a difference in performance when using different software to create a virtual machine? I.e. Hyper-V, VMWare, Virtual Box or Citrox itself? If yes, which is the VM software that delivers the best performance so far?

 

I hope someone can help with some knowledge here.

 

 

Thank you very much and best regards

Adriani

 


Re: A web dialog that isn't automatically read by NVDA

Gene
 

I tested it in Brave and the dialog wasn't read. I had to use object navigation, I believe with Browse Mode off, though thisw was a few hours ago and I'm not sure now.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2020 4:32 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A web dialog that isn't automatically read by NVDA

On Thu, Oct 29, 2020 at 02:29 PM, Devin Prater wrote:
It looks like this is a Chrome issue.-
Devin, the following is not meant to split-hairs, but to seek further clarification from you, as you can test this out quickly: Is it a Chrome issue, or a Chromium issue? This can be determined by testing the issue you're having with the page you referenced in new Edge, Brave, or any other Chromium-based browser.

Even though the Chromium-based browsers have way more in common than they do as differences, there can be weird things that really are specific to a single one or common to all of them, depending on the root cause.
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Re: A web dialog that isn't automatically read by NVDA

 

On Thu, Oct 29, 2020 at 02:29 PM, Devin Prater wrote:
It looks like this is a Chrome issue.
-
Devin, the following is not meant to split-hairs, but to seek further clarification from you, as you can test this out quickly:  Is it a Chrome issue, or a Chromium issue?  This can be determined by testing the issue you're having with the page you referenced in new Edge, Brave, or any other Chromium-based browser.

Even though the Chromium-based browsers have way more in common than they do as differences, there can be weird things that really are specific to a single one or common to all of them, depending on the root cause.
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Re: A web dialog that isn't automatically read by NVDA

Ron Canazzi
 

Hi Group,

The referenced page reads well in Firefox.


On 10/29/2020 2:29 PM, Devin Prater wrote:
Using the popup dialog on this page:


It looks like this is a Chrome issue. Thanks all.
Devin Prater
sent from Gmail.


On Thu, Oct 29, 2020 at 12:42 PM Luke Robinett <blindgroupsluke@...> wrote:
I run into this nearly all of the time with Web dialogs in chrome. It would probably be easier to give the developers an example of a time when it actually worked correctly, LOL.

On Oct 29, 2020, at 9:50 AM, Devin Prater <r.d.t.prater@...> wrote:


Hi all. I can't give the specific page, and can't find the HTML or JavaScript source for this dialog, but I've found a dialog on the web that is not read automatically by NVDA. This problem is in Google Chrome, but is not with Firefox. The text of the dialog is not read by NVDA, but the OK button is, and the OK and cancel buttons can be navigated to. The text can be reached with Object Navigation.
However, the text of the dialog is read automatically by Narrator in Google Chrome. It is not read automatically by JAWS, though. Any ideas on what's causing this, or any ways to fix? Or am I missing some Google Chrome addon or something?
Devin Prater
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Re: NVDA integration in video games

Luke Robinett
 

I do a lot of music production work and much of that software is very graphical and inaccessible out of the box. People have created some really cool NVDA add-ons in that space that utilize screen recognition and some sort of learning algorithms to give access to user interfaces that are otherwise completely unrecognizable by NVDA. For an example of such a project, check out Sibiac. I think this shows the potential for NVDA to be augmented to do what you described, giving access to graphical interfaces that normally don’t provide hooks for screen readers.

On Oct 29, 2020, at 12:15 PM, Gene <gsasner@gmail.com> wrote:

What do you mean by this sentence?
If this new voiceover feature isn’t available on an iPhone 8+ because it is too weak, I don’t want to know what it would take on a laptop or computer.
Smart phones aren't nearly as powerful as computers.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Andy B.
Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2020 2:10 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA integration in video games



I heard that screen recognition wasn’t that great. If NVDA took this route, maybe things would work a little better, but there are also many people out there with computers not able to handle such a thing. If this new voiceover feature isn’t available on an iPhone 8+ because it is too weak, I don’t want to know what it would take on a laptop or computer. In any case, talking flight monitor does implement NVDA controller, etc into it’s code base. Check it out at www.talkingflightmonitor.net. I am one of the devs.







From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Josh Kennedy
Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2020 12:12 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA integration in video games





if NVDA had real time recognition like voiceover does on iOS 14, then we would have access to a lot more applications including video games. Voiceover uses a Neural Engine and artificial intelligence to do screen recognition, image recognition and description, and real time live OCR and it also recognizes controls based on pixels on the screen and matrices. Making many applications including video games very accessible and applications which did not used to be accessible or now suddenly accessible with voiceover artificial intelligent Neural Engine recognition. it would be excellent if NVDA could implement this feature very soon. I believe that it directly access of the GPU, and based on pixels on the screen and live screen or some kind of image scanning, it recognizes various inaccessible controls directly even if they are just drawing on the screen with pixels, then it turns those controls into accessible controls that voiceover can interpret. If anybody I could do this it would be excellent.











Re: NVDA Remote

Chris Smart
 

On 2020-10-29 4:23 p.m., A.Mac via groups.io wrote:

hi where can i get NVDA Remote  please.


On 29/10/2020 16:29, Sky Mundell wrote:
Hello Ryan. I have used NVDA Remote with a few clients of mine in the past and it works well for them and I. What I have the clients do is to go into the NVDA remote sub menu, and choose the connect option. Then, I have the clients choose allow this machine to be controled, which is the second radio button. Then you put in the hostname  put in the hostname, which  is
Then, I generate the key, and I give the key to the client, and away we go.
By the way, you can also create your own key by just thinking of a word, and putting the word in the key box and then telling the clients what the word is.
Thanks, Sky.
On Oct 29, 2020, at 9:08 AM, Ryan Fleury <ryan@...> wrote:

Hello last week I used the e-mail link on this pagehttps://nvdaremote.com/
To ask about an issue I am having with NVDA remote and I still haven’t heard back from anyone so not very happy.
I was trying to use nvda remote to connect to another NVDA user’s computer but when I tried to generate a key nothing happened so if anyone can advise me on how the nvda remote works to connect to another nvda user I would appreciate it.
Thanks Ryan
 
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Blindness Products Sales and Support
Canadian Assistive Technologies
Local 778-968-6847
Toll-Free ! 1-844-795-8324
 
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Re: NVDA Remote

A.Mac
 

hi where can i get NVDA Remote  please.


On 29/10/2020 16:29, Sky Mundell wrote:
Hello Ryan. I have used NVDA Remote with a few clients of mine in the past and it works well for them and I. What I have the clients do is to go into the NVDA remote sub menu, and choose the connect option. Then, I have the clients choose allow this machine to be controled, which is the second radio button. Then you put in the hostname  put in the hostname, which  is
Then, I generate the key, and I give the key to the client, and away we go.
By the way, you can also create your own key by just thinking of a word, and putting the word in the key box and then telling the clients what the word is.
Thanks, Sky.
On Oct 29, 2020, at 9:08 AM, Ryan Fleury <ryan@...> wrote:

Hello last week I used the e-mail link on this pagehttps://nvdaremote.com/
To ask about an issue I am having with NVDA remote and I still haven’t heard back from anyone so not very happy.
I was trying to use nvda remote to connect to another NVDA user’s computer but when I tried to generate a key nothing happened so if anyone can advise me on how the nvda remote works to connect to another nvda user I would appreciate it.
Thanks Ryan
 
Ryan Fleury
Blindness Products Sales and Support
Canadian Assistive Technologies
Local 778-968-6847
Toll-Free ! 1-844-795-8324
 
Check out our podcast A T Banter
 

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