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deleting file from downloads folder closes the downloads folder window

Dan Beaver
 

Has anyone else seen this? this just started happening recently but I do not know if it is NVDA or Windows 10 doing it.


Literally, I select a file in the downloads folder and then press the delete key. It does delete the file but it also closes the folder. What a pain!


I am running windows 10 most recent updates and NVDA 2016.3-RC2.


Thanks.


Dan Beaver


Re: Windows 10 App Essentials version 16.09 now available

 

Hi,

It is already available from add-ons page.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Crabtree
Sent: Friday, September 2, 2016 9:56 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Fwd: [nvda] Windows 10 App Essentials version 16.09 now available

 

Joseph, will the Win 10 apps add-on be moved to the add-ons page once NVDA 2016.3 is released?

If not, can I install it simply by double-clcking the downloaded file?

Brian Crabtree

 

Begin forwarded message:

 

From: Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...>

Subject: [nvda] Windows 10 App Essentials version 16.09 now available

Date: 30 August 2016 at 16:24:56 BST

Resent-From: briancrabtree@...

 

Hi everyone,

 

Windows 10 App Essentials version 16.09 is now available. This one includes enhancements for Weather and Skype Preview apps, as well as improvements when working with search suggestions in Settings and pther apps.

The new version can be found at:

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: updating weather plus add on?

Lino Morales <linomorales001@...>
 

Just curious. Is Weather Plus on the NVDA add-ons page? I really don't need it since the WIN 10 weather app lives here.

On 9/2/2016 6:47 AM, Michael Capelle wrote:
press insert n, arrow to preferences, arrow to weather plus settings, and find update.

-----Original Message----- From: Lisa P Geibel
Sent: Friday, September 02, 2016 5:44 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] updating weather plus add on?

Hi, I feel so stupid because I don't know how to do this, but I keep
getting alerted that there's an update to my Weather Plus add on for
NVDA. How do I update this? It says to click on check for updates, but I
don't know where to find it to do that. I'm using Windows 10. Please
help and sorry for such a stupid question. Thanks.


Re: questions about nvda and firefox hello.

Kevin Huber
 

Hi Nasrin:

I'm sorry. I had never heard of Firefox Hello, so I just assumed that
you were asking about the Firefox browser.
Kevin Huber

On 9/2/16, nasrin khaksar <nasrinkhaksar3@...> wrote:
hi.
thanks for your answer,
but i ment accessibility in firefox hello not about firefox browser!
firefox hello was introduced since firefox version 34.
it supports chat messages and also video calls.
thanks again for your help!

On 9/2/16, Kevin Huber <kevin.huber1@...> wrote:
Hi Nasrin:

Yes, Firefox does work with NVDA and it is accessible with the
keyboard only. In fact, the menu structure and the list of NVDA
hotkeys are verry similar to Internet Explorer.

To answer your last question, there is no reason why you wouldn't be
able to use it to make voice calls on Skype.
Kevin Huber

On 9/2/16, nasrin khaksar <nasrinkhaksar3@...> wrote:
hello every one.
i have questions about firefox hello and its compatibility with nvda.
1/ does nvda support firefox hello for example like skype properly?
2/ is it possible to use firefox hello completely with keyboard?
3/ does hello need camera and video calls?
in other words, can i use it without camera only for voice call like
skype?
thanks so much and God bless you all.

--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org






--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org




Re: questions about nvda and firefox hello.

 

hi.
thanks for your answer,
but i ment accessibility in firefox hello not about firefox browser!
firefox hello was introduced since firefox version 34.
it supports chat messages and also video calls.
thanks again for your help!

On 9/2/16, Kevin Huber <kevin.huber1@...> wrote:
Hi Nasrin:

Yes, Firefox does work with NVDA and it is accessible with the
keyboard only. In fact, the menu structure and the list of NVDA
hotkeys are verry similar to Internet Explorer.

To answer your last question, there is no reason why you wouldn't be
able to use it to make voice calls on Skype.
Kevin Huber

On 9/2/16, nasrin khaksar <nasrinkhaksar3@...> wrote:
hello every one.
i have questions about firefox hello and its compatibility with nvda.
1/ does nvda support firefox hello for example like skype properly?
2/ is it possible to use firefox hello completely with keyboard?
3/ does hello need camera and video calls?
in other words, can i use it without camera only for voice call like
skype?
thanks so much and God bless you all.

--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org





--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org


Windows 10 App Essentials version 16.09 now available

Brian Crabtree <pandbcrabtree@...>
 

Joseph, will the Win 10 apps add-on be moved to the add-ons page once NVDA 2016.3 is released?
If not, can I install it simply by double-clcking the downloaded file?
Brian Crabtree

Begin forwarded message:

From: Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...>
Subject: [nvda] Windows 10 App Essentials version 16.09 now available
Date: 30 August 2016 at 16:24:56 BST
Resent-From: briancrabtree@...

Hi everyone,
 
Windows 10 App Essentials version 16.09 is now available. This one includes enhancements for Weather and Skype Preview apps, as well as improvements when working with search suggestions in Settings and pther apps.
The new version can be found at:
Cheers,
Joseph


Re: questions about nvda and firefox hello.

Kevin Huber
 

Hi Nasrin:

Yes, Firefox does work with NVDA and it is accessible with the
keyboard only. In fact, the menu structure and the list of NVDA
hotkeys are verry similar to Internet Explorer.

To answer your last question, there is no reason why you wouldn't be
able to use it to make voice calls on Skype.
Kevin Huber

On 9/2/16, nasrin khaksar <nasrinkhaksar3@...> wrote:
hello every one.
i have questions about firefox hello and its compatibility with nvda.
1/ does nvda support firefox hello for example like skype properly?
2/ is it possible to use firefox hello completely with keyboard?
3/ does hello need camera and video calls?
in other words, can i use it without camera only for voice call like skype?
thanks so much and God bless you all.

--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org




questions about nvda and firefox hello.

 

hello every one.
i have questions about firefox hello and its compatibility with nvda.
1/ does nvda support firefox hello for example like skype properly?
2/ is it possible to use firefox hello completely with keyboard?
3/ does hello need camera and video calls?
in other words, can i use it without camera only for voice call like skype?
thanks so much and God bless you all.

--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org


Re: gmail with standart view with NVDA

 

i remembered one point to add in my previous explanation.
html view you can use it even with the oldest browsers
but standard view needs always up to date versions of browsers!

On 9/2/16, Jeremy <icu8it2@...> wrote:
Very neat and yeah, I think this will help a lot. As you say and most
especially with google, once you find the balance between where you
should use browse mode and where focus mode work the best, I think
that's a big key.

Definitely going to play with it more, so thanks bunches for the tips. :)

Take care.
On 9/1/2016 5:21 AM, mohammad suliman wrote:
hello,

Are the shortcut keys listed in the link supposed to work the same
for the inbox.google.com <http://inbox.google.com> version of the
interface? Only asking as it seems to navigate quite a bit
differently than the help documentation says it should.


haven't compared them, but, yes, I think they are different.
to get the list of shortcuts, use question mark, (shift + /) while in
focus mode. please notice that you need to use brows mode to read the
shortcuts dialog properly.

One area I'm finding to be quite problematic is finding the area
that contains the different folders within your google account,
inbox, starred, sent mail, etc. As per the documentation, it seems
that you should be able to move to this area using the tab and
shift+tab keys, but this doesn't seem to work for me in the
slightest.

yes, you can reach this menu with tab / shift + tab. It is near the
top of the page. You need to expand the menu first with enter. It is
named "main menu" or something similar.
a much easier way, is to use the dedicated shortcut, which is shift +
m, which will jump you directly to this menu.

I am able to move to a list of conversations, messages that appear
to be in my inbox, but using the up and down arrows here do not
appear to do anything. If I, however, use the right and left
arrows, I can move from conversation to conversation, of which a
few things are read to me, weather the conversation is read, the
subject, number of responses in that conversation and a tiny
snippet of the message.

that is correct, left / rite arrow is the way to go to move between
conversations. this is somewhat strange at the beginning, but you'll
become used to it if you decide to continue with.

Using tab if you're on one of these conversations then takes you
to some buttons, delete, etc, while sometimes, using shift+tab,
rather than taking you to a previous button in that list of
buttons or taking you back to the conversation you were on, jumps
you to a previous conversation, just as if you'd used the left arrow.

if you want to expand the thread, hit enter, and then use tab several
times to reach the first message of that thread.
a message within a thread can be in 2 states:
* collapsed, in this case, a preview of the message will be displayed.
and tab will move to the next message in the thread.
* expanded, in this case, full message content will be displayed. And
using tab will go over list of actions you can perform on this
message. And, After you go over this list, you will get to the next
message.

there are 2 shortcuts to move between messages within threads:
* p, to move to previous message
* n, to move to next message

after you finish with the thread, you can collapse it with escape, and
get back to the main messages list.


It may be that I've yet to change some needed setting to make
things display correctly with NVDA, but as I see it so far, it
seems to be roughly the same confusing interface that's used in
other parts of google's interface, one for google voice, etc.

you need to enable full keyboard shortcuts, which you can do from the
shortcuts dialog mentioned previously I think.
there is some setting within gmail settings which enables screen
reader support, but I don't know what it affects exactly.

I'd love to be corrected and have made sure to stay in focus mode
when trying this stuff out, but as with the other parts of google,
it seems that using browse mode sometimes actually shows you more
information and is easier to navigate.

yes, in most cases you need to use focus mode, however, using brows
mode is needed also. Some examples of this: when you are on a message
within a thread, you may want to read the message line by line, so
using brows mode is convenient in this case.
also, when I hear NVDA says section, usually I know that brows mode is
needed. Don't know the exact reason of this.
I tend to think that brows mode is similar to screen review with
desktop apps.
in short, you need to find a good balance between using brows and
focus modes, so you can get the most out of the product you are using.
and being familiar with the useful shortcuts will help you do so.

hope that helps!
good luck!

Thank you for any tips/ideas.

Tc.

On 8/31/2016 6:24 AM, mohammad suliman wrote:
if you have the option to use
inbox.google.com <http://inbox.google.com>
I recommend it. It is simpler, more productive and considered the
next generation tool for managing your e-mail.
and, as the standard view of gmail, it supports ARIA, so, you can
use it as you use the desktop mail client: navigating the
interface with tab / shift + tab, and many other shortcuts are
available.

the link for gmail help for screen reader users:
https://support.google.com/mail/answer/90559?hl=en
it includes info on how to get to this page from within the main
gmail interface.



On Wed, 31 Aug 2016 at 12:12 Afik Sofir <afik.sofir@...
<mailto:afik.sofir@...>> wrote:

Hi oyvind,

Can you please send a link to this?





בברכה,

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טלפון:
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-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>] On
Behalf Of ?yvind Lode
Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 11:49 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] gmail with standart view with NVDA

I use gmail standard view to manage my emails.
I've totally dropped the use of a mail client.
Gmail standard view is excellent and Google have done a great
job
making it accessible.
A lot of keyboard shortcuts is available.
Read the documentation and the how to use standard view with
a screen
reader available when logging in.


On 31 August 2016 at 09:35, nasrin khaksar
<nasrinkhaksar3@... <mailto:nasrinkhaksar3@...>>
wrote:
> hello.
> the differents:
> 1/ in standard view nvda says unread for unread emails but
in html
> views does not.
> 2/ html is simple but standard is graphical and needs more
times to
> load and spends more internet charge.
> 3/ in html you dont have an uption for conversation but in
standard
> you can use hangout if i am correct for conversation.
>
> On 8/31/16, Afik Sofir <afik.sofir@...
<mailto:afik.sofir@...>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>>
>>
>> I have email for work, that I have to connect via gmail to
it.
>>
>> Its not @gmail.com <http://gmail.com>, but I use gmail web
interface for it.
>>
>>
>>
>> My question is
>>
>>
>>
>> What the deffrences between the HTMl view and the standart
view?
>>
>>
>>
>> Afik.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> בברכה,
>>
>>
>>
>> אפיק סופיר
>>
>> מדריך לתוכנות קוראות מסך ומכשירי חברת apple
>>
>> <http://peula4u.org.il/> עמותת פעול"ה –פותחים עיניים ולב
לצרכי העיוורים
>>
>>
>>
>> טלפון:
>>
>> 08-8603311
>>
>> <http://www.facebook.com/peula100> דף הפייסבוק שלנו
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>
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>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
> holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
> best website for studying islamic book in different languages
> al-islam.org <http://al-islam.org>
>
>
>






--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org


Re: updating weather plus add on?

Lisa P Geibel
 

Hi Michael,
SMILE Thanks so much. Guess these Antibiotics have me more loopy than I thought. It's all done and was so easy. Thanks again.

Lisa
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Facebook: http://facebook.com/ldporter1
Twitter: http://twitter.com/LisaLisa429
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773-572-7897
God bless everyone!!!

On 9/2/16 6:47 AM, Michael Capelle wrote:
press insert n, arrow to preferences, arrow to weather plus settings,
and find update.

-----Original Message----- From: Lisa P Geibel
Sent: Friday, September 02, 2016 5:44 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] updating weather plus add on?

Hi, I feel so stupid because I don't know how to do this, but I keep
getting alerted that there's an update to my Weather Plus add on for
NVDA. How do I update this? It says to click on check for updates, but I
don't know where to find it to do that. I'm using Windows 10. Please
help and sorry for such a stupid question. Thanks.


Re: updating weather plus add on?

Michael Capelle <mcapelle@...>
 

press insert n, arrow to preferences, arrow to weather plus settings, and find update.

-----Original Message-----
From: Lisa P Geibel
Sent: Friday, September 02, 2016 5:44 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] updating weather plus add on?

Hi, I feel so stupid because I don't know how to do this, but I keep
getting alerted that there's an update to my Weather Plus add on for
NVDA. How do I update this? It says to click on check for updates, but I
don't know where to find it to do that. I'm using Windows 10. Please
help and sorry for such a stupid question. Thanks.
--
Lisa
E-Mail: lisapgeibel429@...
Facebook: http://facebook.com/ldporter1
Twitter: http://twitter.com/LisaLisa429
Philmore box shared with hubby:
773-572-7897
God bless everyone!!!


updating weather plus add on?

Lisa P Geibel
 

Hi, I feel so stupid because I don't know how to do this, but I keep getting alerted that there's an update to my Weather Plus add on for NVDA. How do I update this? It says to click on check for updates, but I don't know where to find it to do that. I'm using Windows 10. Please help and sorry for such a stupid question. Thanks.
--
Lisa
E-Mail: lisapgeibel429@...
Facebook: http://facebook.com/ldporter1
Twitter: http://twitter.com/LisaLisa429
Philmore box shared with hubby:
773-572-7897
God bless everyone!!!


Re: Has any one done a factory reset on Windows 10 with NVDA?

Kenny Dog <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Hi


yep i have a copy on this windows 10 machine and it works well.


Gene nz

On 2/09/2016 9:44 AM, Arlene wrote:
Oh okay! will office 2010 work on windows ten?

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian's Mail list account
Sent: September-01-16 12:43 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Has any one done a factory reset on Windows 10 with NVDA?

I just put fixit for microsoft office into google and found some articles and downloads when I needed to completely remove office 2010.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Arlene" <nedster66@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 6:41 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Has any one done a factory reset on Windows 10 with NVDA?


I know with older versions of windows. You can go to the Microsoft site and get a fix it tool to fix things that got broken while you removed programs that are there when you get your new computer. Does that same site still work for windows ten? I can't remember that site I lost it!

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian's Mail list account
Sent: August-31-16 4:36 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Has any one done a factory reset on Windows 10 with NVDA?

For the sighted there is no issue. However there are now Microsoft fixit programs to put things right, but not looked if one exists for the version in question. Its some files that get either deregisterd that are crucial for screenreaders, or the system updates uninstalled demo versions withough checking if all the files are present, effectively sending screenreader data to a null device.Ofr so I'm told.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Arlene" <nedster66@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 1:28 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Has any one done a factory reset on Windows 10 with NVDA?


That's awful. You should be allowed to get rid of things like office if you
don’t want it or you have something already. There should never be a problem
if you get rid of things you don’t want.

-----Original Message-----
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Mail list account
Sent: August-30-16 1:10 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Has any one done a factory reset on Windows 10 with
NVDA?

Internet explorer has to be there if its windows 10, as does edge of course.

I have to admit I'm not a great fan of chain stores supplied computers as
they often come laden with software that are only there to try to get the
user to pay when the trial runs out, all of which can completely screw up
windows when you attempt to remove them.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene New Zealand" <hurrikennyandopo@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2016 9:11 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Has any one done a factory reset on Windows 10 with
NVDA?


Hi


Yes to mozilla fire fox and google chrome. There is no internet
explorer on her version. I went looking for it but is a shop brough
laptop with 10 on it. unless i missed it some where.



it also does not speak the menus for say note pad microsoft word but
yes i could navigate the start menus all apps etc and file manager etc.


But is is like the buffer is some how buggeree even when bringing up a
webpage, it will not speak the contents of it or even speak the menus
when you go to use them.



gene nz



On 30/08/2016 1:33 AM, Kevin Huber wrote:
Hi Gene:

Since she has Office 10, she could try downloading the version of
Window-eyes that comes free with Microsoft Office, and see if she
gets the same error in Firefox. This will tell her whether or not
the problem lies in the Screenreader.
The website for this software is:
www.windoweyesforoffice.com.

By the way, does the phenominon that you describe happen when using
NVDA with either Internet Explorer or Chrome?

On 8/29/16, Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...> wrote:
Hi guys


I was wondering if any one on this list has done a factory reset for
windows 10 with NVDA?

A lady i am trying to help has a copy of Windows 10 on it with the
latest version of NVDA 2016.2.1


When she tries to go into mozilla fire fox which is online she can
see the page has loaded, but NVDA will speak nothing on the screen
it just says unknown. Even tabing etc does nothing.

NVDA will not even speak the menus up the top either.


She gets the same sort of result with mozilla thunderbird. when you
tab it just says unknown etc and the menus do not speak either.


I noticed in some programs NVDA will not speak the menus or may
speak a little of them.


I can tab around the desktop, but down on the taskbar it might say
unknown or when you get to the desktop it will speak what is there.


I have done the usual and uninstalled NVDA and also removed the
settings for the %appdata% section as well. Restarted NVDA etc and
even done a system restore but it will only let me go so far back.


She is running a lap top i think it is and I am not sure if I reset
it to factory defaults does it go back to where you have to specify
your drive etc like I done on a brand new lap top one time or will
it load with Windows? then it is a matter of putting NVDA back onto the
lap top?


I have also done a factory reset on NVdA etc, but am running out of
ideas. By the way i was able to remote into her pc to see what is
happening but looks like the nvda.ini file might be corrupted.

Could i copy a good nvda.ini file to the usb stick and move it
across and fix it this way by over riding the nvda.ini file under
the %appdata% section.


She does have a computer running Xp of which I can email to with a
working copy of NVDA and move it across with a usb stick.

I have tried with a fresh copy of NVDA etc and done it this way, but
looks like it is still having the problem.
I have also renamed the nvda.ini file to old then put nvda onto
it, but it still seems the same.

The lap top has internet access, but is unuseable to use the browser
or emails.

Would copying a working nvda.ini file from a good pc to the other
one then over riding the file maybe fix the problem?

Any ideas apart from a reformat would be good.

Gene nz

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Re: Has any one done a factory reset on Windows 10 with NVDA?

Brian's Mail list account
 

I'd guess so even Office XP does at my end.
2016 is very problematic for some. Indeed I was warned off by many people about getting it.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2016 10:44 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Has any one done a factory reset on Windows 10 with NVDA?


Oh okay! will office 2010 work on windows ten?

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: September-01-16 12:43 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Has any one done a factory reset on Windows 10 with NVDA?

I just put fixit for microsoft office into google and found some articles and downloads when I needed to completely remove office 2010.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Arlene" <nedster66@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 6:41 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Has any one done a factory reset on Windows 10 with NVDA?


I know with older versions of windows. You can go to the Microsoft site and get a fix it tool to fix things that got broken while you removed programs that are there when you get your new computer. Does that same site still work for windows ten? I can't remember that site I lost it!

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: August-31-16 4:36 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Has any one done a factory reset on Windows 10 with NVDA?

For the sighted there is no issue. However there are now Microsoft fixit programs to put things right, but not looked if one exists for the version in question. Its some files that get either deregisterd that are crucial for screenreaders, or the system updates uninstalled demo versions withough checking if all the files are present, effectively sending screenreader data to a null device.Ofr so I'm told.
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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 1:28 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Has any one done a factory reset on Windows 10 with NVDA?


That's awful. You should be allowed to get rid of things like office if you
don’t want it or you have something already. There should never be a problem
if you get rid of things you don’t want.

-----Original Message-----
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Mail list account
Sent: August-30-16 1:10 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Has any one done a factory reset on Windows 10 with
NVDA?

Internet explorer has to be there if its windows 10, as does edge of course.

I have to admit I'm not a great fan of chain stores supplied computers as
they often come laden with software that are only there to try to get the
user to pay when the trial runs out, all of which can completely screw up
windows when you attempt to remove them.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene New Zealand" <hurrikennyandopo@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2016 9:11 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Has any one done a factory reset on Windows 10 with
NVDA?


Hi


Yes to mozilla fire fox and google chrome. There is no internet
explorer on her version. I went looking for it but is a shop brough
laptop with 10 on it. unless i missed it some where.



it also does not speak the menus for say note pad microsoft word but
yes i could navigate the start menus all apps etc and file manager etc.


But is is like the buffer is some how buggeree even when bringing up a
webpage, it will not speak the contents of it or even speak the menus
when you go to use them.



gene nz



On 30/08/2016 1:33 AM, Kevin Huber wrote:
Hi Gene:

Since she has Office 10, she could try downloading the version of
Window-eyes that comes free with Microsoft Office, and see if she
gets the same error in Firefox. This will tell her whether or not
the problem lies in the Screenreader.
The website for this software is:
www.windoweyesforoffice.com.

By the way, does the phenominon that you describe happen when using
NVDA with either Internet Explorer or Chrome?

On 8/29/16, Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...> wrote:
Hi guys


I was wondering if any one on this list has done a factory reset for
windows 10 with NVDA?

A lady i am trying to help has a copy of Windows 10 on it with the
latest version of NVDA 2016.2.1


When she tries to go into mozilla fire fox which is online she can
see the page has loaded, but NVDA will speak nothing on the screen
it just says unknown. Even tabing etc does nothing.

NVDA will not even speak the menus up the top either.


She gets the same sort of result with mozilla thunderbird. when you
tab it just says unknown etc and the menus do not speak either.


I noticed in some programs NVDA will not speak the menus or may
speak a little of them.


I can tab around the desktop, but down on the taskbar it might say
unknown or when you get to the desktop it will speak what is there.


I have done the usual and uninstalled NVDA and also removed the
settings for the %appdata% section as well. Restarted NVDA etc and
even done a system restore but it will only let me go so far back.


She is running a lap top i think it is and I am not sure if I reset
it to factory defaults does it go back to where you have to specify
your drive etc like I done on a brand new lap top one time or will
it load with Windows? then it is a matter of putting NVDA back onto the
lap top?


I have also done a factory reset on NVdA etc, but am running out of
ideas. By the way i was able to remote into her pc to see what is
happening but looks like the nvda.ini file might be corrupted.

Could i copy a good nvda.ini file to the usb stick and move it
across and fix it this way by over riding the nvda.ini file under
the %appdata% section.


She does have a computer running Xp of which I can email to with a
working copy of NVDA and move it across with a usb stick.

I have tried with a fresh copy of NVDA etc and done it this way, but
looks like it is still having the problem.
I have also renamed the nvda.ini file to old then put nvda onto
it, but it still seems the same.

The lap top has internet access, but is unuseable to use the browser
or emails.

Would copying a working nvda.ini file from a good pc to the other
one then over riding the file maybe fix the problem?

Any ideas apart from a reformat would be good.

Gene nz

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Re: Has any one done a factory reset on Windows 10 with NVDA?

 

Office 2007 does so I would assume so.

On 9/1/16, Arlene <nedster66@...> wrote:
Oh okay! will office 2010 work on windows ten?

-----Original Message-----
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Mail list account
Sent: September-01-16 12:43 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Has any one done a factory reset on Windows 10 with
NVDA?

I just put fixit for microsoft office into google and found some articles
and downloads when I needed to completely remove office 2010.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Arlene" <nedster66@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 6:41 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Has any one done a factory reset on Windows 10 with
NVDA?


I know with older versions of windows. You can go to the Microsoft site and
get a fix it tool to fix things that got broken while you removed programs
that are there when you get your new computer. Does that same site still
work for windows ten? I can't remember that site I lost it!

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian's
Mail list account
Sent: August-31-16 4:36 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Has any one done a factory reset on Windows 10 with
NVDA?

For the sighted there is no issue. However there are now Microsoft fixit
programs to put things right, but not looked if one exists for the version
in question. Its some files that get either deregisterd that are crucial for
screenreaders, or the system updates uninstalled demo versions withough
checking if all the files are present, effectively sending screenreader data
to a null device.Ofr so I'm told.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Arlene" <nedster66@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 1:28 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Has any one done a factory reset on Windows 10 with
NVDA?


That's awful. You should be allowed to get rid of things like office if you

don’t want it or you have something already. There should never be a problem

if you get rid of things you don’t want.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian's

Mail list account
Sent: August-30-16 1:10 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Has any one done a factory reset on Windows 10 with
NVDA?

Internet explorer has to be there if its windows 10, as does edge of
course.

I have to admit I'm not a great fan of chain stores supplied computers as
they often come laden with software that are only there to try to get the
user to pay when the trial runs out, all of which can completely screw up
windows when you attempt to remove them.
Brian

bglists@...
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene New Zealand" <hurrikennyandopo@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2016 9:11 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Has any one done a factory reset on Windows 10 with
NVDA?


Hi


Yes to mozilla fire fox and google chrome. There is no internet
explorer on her version. I went looking for it but is a shop brough
laptop with 10 on it. unless i missed it some where.



it also does not speak the menus for say note pad microsoft word but
yes i could navigate the start menus all apps etc and file manager etc.


But is is like the buffer is some how buggeree even when bringing up a
webpage, it will not speak the contents of it or even speak the menus
when you go to use them.



gene nz



On 30/08/2016 1:33 AM, Kevin Huber wrote:
Hi Gene:

Since she has Office 10, she could try downloading the version of
Window-eyes that comes free with Microsoft Office, and see if she
gets the same error in Firefox. This will tell her whether or not
the problem lies in the Screenreader.
The website for this software is:
www.windoweyesforoffice.com.

By the way, does the phenominon that you describe happen when using
NVDA with either Internet Explorer or Chrome?

On 8/29/16, Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...> wrote:
Hi guys


I was wondering if any one on this list has done a factory reset for
windows 10 with NVDA?

A lady i am trying to help has a copy of Windows 10 on it with the
latest version of NVDA 2016.2.1


When she tries to go into mozilla fire fox which is online she can
see the page has loaded, but NVDA will speak nothing on the screen
it just says unknown. Even tabing etc does nothing.

NVDA will not even speak the menus up the top either.


She gets the same sort of result with mozilla thunderbird. when you
tab it just says unknown etc and the menus do not speak either.


I noticed in some programs NVDA will not speak the menus or may
speak a little of them.


I can tab around the desktop, but down on the taskbar it might say
unknown or when you get to the desktop it will speak what is there.


I have done the usual and uninstalled NVDA and also removed the
settings for the %appdata% section as well. Restarted NVDA etc and
even done a system restore but it will only let me go so far back.


She is running a lap top i think it is and I am not sure if I reset
it to factory defaults does it go back to where you have to specify
your drive etc like I done on a brand new lap top one time or will
it load with Windows? then it is a matter of putting NVDA back onto the
lap top?


I have also done a factory reset on NVdA etc, but am running out of
ideas. By the way i was able to remote into her pc to see what is
happening but looks like the nvda.ini file might be corrupted.

Could i copy a good nvda.ini file to the usb stick and move it
across and fix it this way by over riding the nvda.ini file under
the %appdata% section.


She does have a computer running Xp of which I can email to with a
working copy of NVDA and move it across with a usb stick.

I have tried with a fresh copy of NVDA etc and done it this way, but
looks like it is still having the problem.
I have also renamed the nvda.ini file to old then put nvda onto
it, but it still seems the same.

The lap top has internet access, but is unuseable to use the browser
or emails.

Would copying a working nvda.ini file from a good pc to the other
one then over riding the file maybe fix the problem?

Any ideas apart from a reformat would be good.

Gene nz

--
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material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net




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material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net
























Re: A Dark Room

jeremy <icu8it2@...>
 

I seem to remember that the web version could have used some work, but the IOS version works well, if you have that option. :)

Take care.

On 9/1/2016 12:03 PM, kelby carlson wrote:
Does anyone know if this game is accessible? I'm having trouble doing
some things in it.


Re: gmail with standart view with NVDA

jeremy <icu8it2@...>
 

Very neat and yeah, I think this will help a lot. As you say and most especially with google, once you find the balance between where you should use browse mode and where focus mode work the best, I think that's a big key.

Definitely going to play with it more, so thanks bunches for the tips. :)

Take care.

On 9/1/2016 5:21 AM, mohammad suliman wrote:
hello,

Are the shortcut keys listed in the link supposed to work the same for the inbox.google.com version of the interface? Only asking as it seems to navigate quite a bit differently than the help documentation says it should.


haven't compared them, but, yes, I think they are different.
to get the list of shortcuts, use question mark, (shift + /) while in focus mode. please notice that you need to use brows mode to read the shortcuts dialog properly.

One area I'm finding to be quite problematic is finding the area that contains the different folders within your google account, inbox, starred, sent mail, etc. As per the documentation, it seems that you should be able to move to this area using the tab and shift+tab keys, but this doesn't seem to work for me in the slightest.

yes, you can reach this menu with tab / shift + tab. It is near the top of the page. You need to expand the menu first with enter. It is named "main menu" or something similar.
a much easier way, is to use the dedicated shortcut, which is shift + m, which will jump you directly to this menu.

I am able to move to a list of conversations, messages that appear to be in my inbox, but using the up and down arrows here do not appear to do anything. If I, however, use the right and left arrows, I can move from conversation to conversation, of which a few things are read to me, weather the conversation is read, the subject, number of responses in that conversation and a tiny snippet of the message.

that is correct, left / rite arrow is the way to go to move between conversations. this is somewhat strange at the beginning, but you'll become used to it if you decide to continue with.

Using tab if you're on one of these conversations then takes you to some buttons, delete, etc, while sometimes, using shift+tab, rather than taking you to a previous button in that list of buttons or taking you back to the conversation you were on, jumps you to a previous conversation, just as if you'd used the left arrow.

if you want to expand the thread, hit enter, and then use tab several times to reach the first message of that thread.
a message within a thread can be in 2 states:
* collapsed, in this case, a preview of the message will be displayed. and tab will move to the next message in the thread.
* expanded, in this case, full message content will be displayed. And using tab will go over list of actions you can perform on this message. And, After you go over this list, you will get to the next message.

there are 2 shortcuts to move between messages within threads:
* p, to move to previous message
* n, to move to next message

after you finish with the thread, you can collapse it with escape, and get back to the main messages list.


It may be that I've yet to change some needed setting to make things display correctly with NVDA, but as I see it so far, it seems to be roughly the same confusing interface that's used in other parts of google's interface, one for google voice, etc.

you need to enable full keyboard shortcuts, which you can do from the shortcuts dialog mentioned previously I think.
there is some setting within gmail settings which enables screen reader support, but I don't know what it affects exactly.

I'd love to be corrected and have made sure to stay in focus mode when trying this stuff out, but as with the other parts of google, it seems that using browse mode sometimes actually shows you more information and is easier to navigate.

yes, in most cases you need to use focus mode, however, using brows mode is needed also. Some examples of this: when you are on a message within a thread, you may want to read the message line by line, so using brows mode is convenient in this case.
also, when I hear NVDA says section, usually I know that brows mode is needed. Don't know the exact reason of this.
I tend to think that brows mode is similar to screen review with desktop apps.
in short, you need to find a good balance between using brows and focus modes, so you can get the most out of the product you are using.
and being familiar with the useful shortcuts will help you do so.

hope that helps!
good luck!

Thank you for any tips/ideas.

Tc.

On 8/31/2016 6:24 AM, mohammad suliman wrote:
if you have the option to use
inbox.google.com
I recommend it. It is simpler, more productive and considered the next generation tool for managing your e-mail.
and, as the standard view of gmail, it supports ARIA, so, you can use it as you use the desktop mail client: navigating the interface with tab / shift + tab, and many other shortcuts are available.

the link for gmail help for screen reader users:
https://support.google.com/mail/answer/90559?hl=en
it includes info on how to get to this page from within the main gmail interface.



On Wed, 31 Aug 2016 at 12:12 Afik Sofir <afik.sofir@...> wrote:
Hi oyvind,

Can you please send a link to this?





בברכה,

אפיק סופיר
מדריך לתוכנות קוראות מסך ומכשירי חברת apple
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טלפון:
08-8603311
דף הפייסבוק שלנו








-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of ?yvind Lode
Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 11:49 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] gmail with standart view with NVDA

I use gmail standard view to manage my emails.
I've totally dropped the use of a mail client.
Gmail standard view is excellent and Google have done a great job
making it accessible.
A lot of keyboard shortcuts is available.
Read the documentation and the how to use standard view with a screen
reader available when logging in.


On 31 August 2016 at 09:35, nasrin khaksar <nasrinkhaksar3@...> wrote:
> hello.
> the differents:
> 1/ in standard view nvda says unread for unread emails but in html
> views does not.
> 2/ html is simple but standard is graphical and needs more times to
> load and spends more internet charge.
> 3/ in html you dont have an uption for conversation but in standard
> you can use hangout if i am correct for conversation.
>
> On 8/31/16, Afik Sofir <afik.sofir@...> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>>
>>
>> I have email for work, that I have to connect via gmail to it.
>>
>> Its not @gmail.com, but I use gmail web interface for it.
>>
>>
>>
>> My question is
>>
>>
>>
>> What the deffrences between the HTMl view and the standart view?
>>
>>
>>
>> Afik.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> בברכה,
>>
>>
>>
>> אפיק סופיר
>>
>> מדריך לתוכנות קוראות מסך ומכשירי חברת apple
>>
>>  <http://peula4u.org.il/> עמותת פעול"ה –פותחים עיניים ולב לצרכי העיוורים
>>
>>
>>
>> טלפון:
>>
>> 08-8603311
>>
>>  <http://www.facebook.com/peula100> דף הפייסבוק שלנו
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>
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>>
>
>
> --
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> holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
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> al-islam.org
>
>
>










Re: Has any one done a factory reset on Windows 10 with NVDA?

Arlene
 

Oh okay! will office 2010 work on windows ten?

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian's Mail list account
Sent: September-01-16 12:43 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Has any one done a factory reset on Windows 10 with NVDA?

I just put fixit for microsoft office into google and found some articles and downloads when I needed to completely remove office 2010.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Arlene" <nedster66@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 6:41 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Has any one done a factory reset on Windows 10 with NVDA?


I know with older versions of windows. You can go to the Microsoft site and get a fix it tool to fix things that got broken while you removed programs that are there when you get your new computer. Does that same site still work for windows ten? I can't remember that site I lost it!

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian's Mail list account
Sent: August-31-16 4:36 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Has any one done a factory reset on Windows 10 with NVDA?

For the sighted there is no issue. However there are now Microsoft fixit programs to put things right, but not looked if one exists for the version in question. Its some files that get either deregisterd that are crucial for screenreaders, or the system updates uninstalled demo versions withough checking if all the files are present, effectively sending screenreader data to a null device.Ofr so I'm told.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Arlene" <nedster66@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 1:28 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Has any one done a factory reset on Windows 10 with NVDA?


That's awful. You should be allowed to get rid of things like office if you
don’t want it or you have something already. There should never be a problem
if you get rid of things you don’t want.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian's
Mail list account
Sent: August-30-16 1:10 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Has any one done a factory reset on Windows 10 with
NVDA?

Internet explorer has to be there if its windows 10, as does edge of course.

I have to admit I'm not a great fan of chain stores supplied computers as
they often come laden with software that are only there to try to get the
user to pay when the trial runs out, all of which can completely screw up
windows when you attempt to remove them.
Brian

bglists@...
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene New Zealand" <hurrikennyandopo@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2016 9:11 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Has any one done a factory reset on Windows 10 with
NVDA?


Hi


Yes to mozilla fire fox and google chrome. There is no internet
explorer on her version. I went looking for it but is a shop brough
laptop with 10 on it. unless i missed it some where.



it also does not speak the menus for say note pad microsoft word but
yes i could navigate the start menus all apps etc and file manager etc.


But is is like the buffer is some how buggeree even when bringing up a
webpage, it will not speak the contents of it or even speak the menus
when you go to use them.



gene nz



On 30/08/2016 1:33 AM, Kevin Huber wrote:
Hi Gene:

Since she has Office 10, she could try downloading the version of
Window-eyes that comes free with Microsoft Office, and see if she
gets the same error in Firefox. This will tell her whether or not
the problem lies in the Screenreader.
The website for this software is:
www.windoweyesforoffice.com.

By the way, does the phenominon that you describe happen when using
NVDA with either Internet Explorer or Chrome?

On 8/29/16, Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...> wrote:
Hi guys


I was wondering if any one on this list has done a factory reset for
windows 10 with NVDA?

A lady i am trying to help has a copy of Windows 10 on it with the
latest version of NVDA 2016.2.1


When she tries to go into mozilla fire fox which is online she can
see the page has loaded, but NVDA will speak nothing on the screen
it just says unknown. Even tabing etc does nothing.

NVDA will not even speak the menus up the top either.


She gets the same sort of result with mozilla thunderbird. when you
tab it just says unknown etc and the menus do not speak either.


I noticed in some programs NVDA will not speak the menus or may
speak a little of them.


I can tab around the desktop, but down on the taskbar it might say
unknown or when you get to the desktop it will speak what is there.


I have done the usual and uninstalled NVDA and also removed the
settings for the %appdata% section as well. Restarted NVDA etc and
even done a system restore but it will only let me go so far back.


She is running a lap top i think it is and I am not sure if I reset
it to factory defaults does it go back to where you have to specify
your drive etc like I done on a brand new lap top one time or will
it load with Windows? then it is a matter of putting NVDA back onto the
lap top?


I have also done a factory reset on NVdA etc, but am running out of
ideas. By the way i was able to remote into her pc to see what is
happening but looks like the nvda.ini file might be corrupted.

Could i copy a good nvda.ini file to the usb stick and move it
across and fix it this way by over riding the nvda.ini file under
the %appdata% section.


She does have a computer running Xp of which I can email to with a
working copy of NVDA and move it across with a usb stick.

I have tried with a fresh copy of NVDA etc and done it this way, but
looks like it is still having the problem.
I have also renamed the nvda.ini file to old then put nvda onto
it, but it still seems the same.

The lap top has internet access, but is unuseable to use the browser
or emails.

Would copying a working nvda.ini file from a good pc to the other
one then over riding the file maybe fix the problem?

Any ideas apart from a reformat would be good.

Gene nz

--
Check out my website for nvda tutorials and other blindness related
material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net




--
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material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net





whats new in nvda 2016.3 tutorial test:

Kenny Peyattt jr.
 

Hi this is a test. I am demonstrating the new features in nvda 2016.3.

Kenny Peyatt jr.  

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


A Dark Room

kelby carlson
 

Does anyone know if this game is accessible? I'm having trouble doing
some things in it.